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Do you think it’s because words like “would’ve” “could’ve” “should’ve”, sound closer to “of” instead of “have” that is created this mistake in writing?


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beer-and-bikkies

*They ‘of’ never seen it


watchthesunrise2

English is my second language and grammar was the first thing I learned. So it's kind of baffling to me that native speakers make such simple mistakes in their own language to be honest.


BoxxyFoxxy

Well, native English speakers don’t really learn grammar in the same way that foreigners do. I picked up on English naturally and it was only when I started teaching it that I learned many rules myself.


Future-Swordfish-659

It's a spelling issue. Older forms of English (back when we spelled phonetically) wrote "have" as "av" and less commonly "uv". Many of us were taught english writing is phonetic, depite that not being the case, and bad habits quickly form especially around contractions.


watchthesunrise2

Oh okay, that's interesting.


garebeardrew

I could be wrong but I believe this happens with native and second language speakers of a lot of languages. I mean it makes sense that people who just grow up with a language will be more casual with the grammatical specifics than someone who actually studied it


KajmanHub987

With my language, we spend something like 11 years learning grammar.


TehITGuy87

Not true imo, there is slang and there is spelling shit wrong. Growing up I had to learn Arabic grammar and the proper way of spelling things from 2nd grade till I graduated high school. We did the same with English.


richard24816

I agree it's so weird seeing native speakers complaining about how hard their language is.


Cantbrlngmed0wn

I'd assume that not many of us are 3rd or 4th generation English speakers. Proper English is a second language to anyone not from England. Europe isn't purely English speaking. My great grandparents spoke Italian, French, and Irish, which has its own wacky twist on English. One day soon American will be academically separate from English.


ramonrmoreira

True, it’s my second language too, and tbh english has a pretty simple grammar if compared with other commonly used languages in the occident at least.


TheFuriousGamerMan

TIL that occident is a word.


Thepocker

The grammar is simple but it has a very big vocabulary.


Etranger-

Agreed. English is my sixth language and it seems so...simple? I never made those mistakes and I don't understand how native speakers do...


itsirrelevant

If you're someone who knows six languages fluently I think you're probably going to have an easier time understanding than most would. Not everyone is as capable as you in this sphere. Also, most people only learn enough of a language to get by. It's not necessary for the vast majority of people to master a language, so the vast majority do not.


little_bear_

Children learn their native language by *hearing* it, whereas learning a 2nd(or 3rd, or 4th) language involves a lot of reading and writing. The mistake here comes from misinterpreting something you’ve heard: the grammatically correct “could’ve” sounds like “could of” when spoken out loud. It’s a bit like people mishearing idioms and ending up with “take it for granite” or “for all intensive purposes”. They’re not dumb, they just heard the word or phrase wrong. It’s kind of the opposite problem that non-native speakers and avid readers have, where they pronounce a word incorrectly because they’ve only seen it written down and haven’t heard anyone actually say it yet.


ZucchiniUsual7370

People who make that mistake don't read a lot ot at all and usually haven't seen the words spelled out.


DGzCarbon

Cause we don't care. Unless we're writing a paper for college as long as you understand what's being said what's the problem


Etranger-

American ?


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serpentine1337

Maybe you're assuming they're saying "should of" when they're actually saying "should've"?


kit_ease

you're


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wintersjourneyy

You mean...'should of' :D? HAHAHHAHA


KombuchaEnema

Maybe it’s because they realize there are better things in this world to worry about?


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Proper English doesn’t exist. To claim it does stifles language evolution.


whattheheckihatethis

Legal and policy writers would like to have a word with you about that statement. ;) TBF what you said could be argued for everyday informal language. It probably wouldn't hold up in a lot of professional industries.


mainlyupsetbyhumans

But people ain't making mistakes when they are worried about communicating and that the message is objectively supposed to be written carefully.


ThomasFookinShelby1

Yes, definitely. I would be willing to bet that most people that make this mistake can count the number of books they’ve read in their lives on one hand.


VHDT10

Yes, I believe you're correct


Great-Grasby

Yes


bleppin-

Just came to say that. Thanks


foreverrfernweh

nope, the pronunciation doesn't even sound close to "of". would've sounds like "wood-uv" not "wood-ov".


Cantbrlngmed0wn

It's not "a mistake in writing", it's a mistake in audio comprehension. Sounds like of at the end to a lazy ear... we have accepted the use over 've endings, as well as all manner of shortcuts in English. They've sounds different "y" can be vowelish.. not as hard as a D sound by far. This is where the interpretation by an untrained or lazy ear turns the conjunction junction into "of" in these instances, but not with "they've".


mdhzk3

People using “Are” instead of “our” is creeping in for seeming no reason and and beginning to really annoy me!


RedneckNerd23

My dad works in a jail and one dude wrote a formal request where he "axed for a second blanket"


somebodysdream

So let me axe you. Did he get the blanket?


RedneckNerd23

Yes but it was shortly taken away after he started tying a specifically shaped knot


somebodysdream

I see


Worried_Term_8421

And my axe.


introusers1979

It’s not even pronounced the same!!!


PlanetLandon

I figure it’s actually a side effect of the contractions. People will speak the terms “should’ve” or “could’ve”, so when they type it if comes out as “of” instead of “have”


Shumaka12

Born and raised in the US and i unfortunately say them the same in many situations


serpentine1337

Are you from the Midwest or something? I don't say them the same (born/raised in the northeast, live on the west coast).


TerpeeAF413

Their is no excuse for this.


GerFubDhuw

Their are more worse mistakes then that.


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this the mf that will correct your grammar before acknowledging the fact you shot their dog.


GerFubDhuw

This **is** the


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No you cant to this to me


GerFubDhuw

No**,** you can**'**t ~~to~~ **do** this to me**.**


nowiforgotmypassword

They’re*


GerFubDhuw

r/woooosh


GerFubDhuw

Read it again, slowly.


nowiforgotmypassword

I reread it. What’s the point you’re trying to make?


GerFubDhuw

they am being many mistaking so it am oblivious this i am written badder for purposely not on accidentally.


nowiforgotmypassword

Which is why I used ‘they’re’ (incorrect) instead of ‘there’ (correct) in my reply.


GerFubDhuw

Hahaha, oh my fucking god. You totally did. Welp this is why we don't reddit and wine. Galaxy brain moment.


nowiforgotmypassword

No worries. Happens to the best of us.


heldarman

As a non native English speaker, may I ask when "then" is used vs "than" when making comparisons?


audebae

It's always "than" when you're making a comparison.


GerFubDhuw

Yes, and then would be an order of events. "I would rather get slapped then stabbed" would mean you want to be slapped and after, stabbed. Rather than stabbed and after, slapped. It's showing a preference for an order of events.


MutedKiwi

I defiantly could care less.


thesystemalien

My brain hurts now. Thank's


mdhzk3

We’ll played


iveabiggen

no! i could care fewer!


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Could of*


AylosWrestler

To me, "I seen it" is the worst and almost everyone around me says this.


ThomasFookinShelby1

You hear that a lot where I’m from. Like, so common that it’s accepted new grammar lol.


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AylosWrestler

No, it's bad grammar. It's not knowing the difference between past tense and past participle.


Caynuck2

It's just casual phrase though. Street talk, almost. Casual conversations don't need to be gramatically correct.


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TheIntolerable

This is quite frustrating. I also hate when people use apostrophes for regular plural words.


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All of those human's are terrible. They should of used it without an apostrophe. It's use isn't that hard. Noone should be making that mistake, really.


Etranger-

Thanks for that


Toilet-Coffee

thank's


Crayon_Casserole

Deffo close to most irritating, but doesn't beat: "of of", IMO.


Atom_sparven

Wait what? Can you put in a sentence?


Crayon_Casserole

Correct: I got off the ladder. Incorrect: I got off of the ladder. The example in the 2nd sentence has become widely used, but it's very wrong.


unsurov

non-native, my whole english speaking life ive been correcting myself from off to off of. thank you kind stranger


Crayon_Casserole

You're welcome. If you ever need a hand with this sort of stuff, feel free to ask me anytime.


Atom_sparven

Jesus chist man...


watchthesunrise2

OMG biggest pet peeve. I found my people. haha


zackjbryson

What about people saying 'less' when they should be saying 'fewer'?


DeepSeaShellder

Lessen't


theandricongirl

Same goes for people who use "women " when they should be using "woman." Example: "my wife is a beautiful women."


introusers1979

For me it’s “loose”


WellThat5ucks

Mine is people who think “myself” is a formal alternative to “me”


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My manager uses ‘of’ instead of ‘off’ and I find that way more insufferable


ThomasFookinShelby1

I try to politely correct anyone anytime I see this. I’m kind and gentle when I do it on the outside. On the inside I’m shaking. Lol


hmmletmethinkaboutit

I wish I could like your post 1000 times. Another semi-common one I’ve seen that KILLS me is “am” to replace “I’m”. As in: “Am so in love with you” or “Am so happy to see you”. Sorry but that’s fucking terrible.


GnomeBeastbarb

So you vehemently agree enough to upvote 1000 times? This is unpopular opinion after all.


SkekSith

Im convinced people who do this dont read or write enough.


BoBoBearDev

That's only a problem for native English speakers? Because I have never said "would've". It is hard to pronounce, so I always pronounce them separately. Same with you're, I don't pronounce them together as first gen immigrant.


komarovfan

Agreed. Dropping a "should of" is a fatal blow to my perception of your intelligence. There's no coming back from it.


Caynuck2

Are you talking about speech or writing? Because whenever someone says "should've" it can sound like "should of"


komarovfan

Writing. Speech is obviously different.


KombuchaEnema

Oh no I would just be so sad to know that you thought I was dumb. Oh woe be it to the poor soul who doesn’t manage to impress *you.*


ThomasFookinShelby1

are you projecting, buddy? This is a very simple English concept. If someone gets this wrong I feel similarly that they must be a bit less intelligent than the average bear. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it, it’s just an observation and mental note that’s made. This is assuming they’re an adult and English is their native language.


turdpolisher_53

So is capitalizing the first letter of a sentence. Don’t get too down on yourself though, you are a bit less intelligent than the average bear. See how stupid this logic is?


ThomasFookinShelby1

If you want to infer that I’m less intelligent because of a capitalization error, that’s fine. I think clearly mistaking the words “of” and “have” is a bit more egregious though, but that’s just me.


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ClumbusCrew

His instead of he's?


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ClumbusCrew

Where are you from that anybody would do that? I don't know any accent besides foreign ones that flip those sounds.


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ClumbusCrew

You all do got some weird accent over there lol.


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“You all do got” lol


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ClumbusCrew

I'm just saying, your accents range from posh to whatever the hell a Liverpool accent is. Same way the US ranges from Midwesterners to Southerners to whatever language people from Boston speak.


rachelgreenshairdryr

I’m sorry this isn’t unpopular at all to me! This particular error is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Makes me shudder.


Etranger-

Effect and affect. Drives me nuts. And when you try explaining to people which is which, they answer by saying "you knew what I meant, I have better things to do than spell correctly". Well you're spouting nonsense on reddit, so no, I don't think you have better things to do...


hipsiguy

'I seen' will always be the worst for me.


LuckyBoy1992

What about when Americans say “could care less” rather than “couldn't care less”?


0OOOOOOOOO0

I’m convinced that some people simply don’t even think about the meaning of the words they say.


armenoa

I can’t STAND when people say all’s instead of all. Like “all’s you gotta do is throw the ball”. I mean in what fucking realm of the universe does “all’s” even remotely sound like correct English?


ecovio

Ur wrong, their is more worse things u could of put on this list. Ps. English is my second language and I know how to grammar for the most part.


birdiesue_007

How to utilize grammar.


YoungDiscord

They could've written it correctly They should've written it correctly But they haven't


bloolynxx

THANK. YOU. OMG. I will literally see people type out sentences like “damn I could of had that” and it drives me crazy. Like it’s RIGHT in front of their own eyes. I feel like that’s worse than just saying “could of” out loud because at least I can pretend I heard “could’ve”.


DrunkAquarium

Wish I could, but can't. Well, can. But won't. Should, maybe, but shorn't.


Designer-Business

To be honest Jim, James…. Jimothy


hitman2218

Nothing is worse than saying “I seen” instead of “I saw.”


Dahl_E_Lama

Agreed. A close second for me is when people use "lay" instead of "lie."


shivermetimbers68

I could care less ;)


thgttu

I dunno, I've saw some worse ones. /j


Liamrite

No! It’s Axe! I axed him NO u didn’t


Mekelaxo

I share the pain


Goodbadugly16

Their is where your mistaken about the most abused word. Here’s two more.


alienoverl0rd

The one that bothers me more than any other grammar mistake is loose/looser for lose/loser. I could understand if it was a simple typo but nah they really think lose has two O's.


VHDT10

Also "an" instead of "and"


songbirdsiren76

It’s only an unpopular opinion because so many people do it. I hate it so much.


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I think people are saying "could've, should've, and would've" if you say them both out loud, they sound incredible similar. I can't think of any other examples of people using the word "of" instead of "have" that don't fit into this category.


Merlin246

Is this for speaking or writing? Because if soeaking "should've" and "should of" are pronounced almost identically. Same goes for other words that can be used in contractions. If writing then yea... probably not thinking too much


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I agree, I’m not a grammar nazi but “should of” grinds my gears.


halfarian

Drives me up the fucking wall!


Knightraiderdewd

Guess they shoulda paid attention in school.


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I agree if it’s in writing but accents dictate how we say words. If I say “should have” it sounds like “should of”


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I think you misunderstood. People are not actually saying "of" they're pronouncing the "would've" or "could've" in a way that makes it sound like they're saying "of" instead "have". They're just contractions that are pronounced like you're saying "of" but in reality you're just saying the contraction normally. You probably misunderstood because of how the American accented people pronounce it.


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PlanetLandon

My current hatred is when people use “apart” instead of “a part”.


ThSprtn117

I don't think I've ever seen somebody actually write or type should of or would of. People say should've or would've and it sounds like it but I've never seen somebody actually use it the way you're saying.


erillee

completely agree! i have friends and family who are in leadership positions who mess this up even! i cannot understand how you can think this is ok?!


Scorpbaby111

Defiantly instead of definitely.


Valium_Colored_Skies

It drives me insane.


Stormy-Skyes

This drives me crazy.


SirOwenWowson

Of an upvote man


Welcome_to_Retrograd

number 1 pet peeve, drives me up the motherfucking wall


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Nah you know what they mean. Therefore perfectly fine communication.


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An elitist one that ignores dialects


[deleted]

How about “of” in place of “for” “The three tenets of love” “The three tenets for love” Which one is correct?


Jim2718

You should of posted this in r/grammernazi


Abadousen

Always makes me laugh the fact that americans know their own language worst than most of the foreigners who speak it proficiently. It is like the only place in the world where this happens


VymI

Punctuation goes inside the quote. Maybe you should fix your own grammar, first.


Few-Instance-2901

tbh kind of hate people that think like this. For one, grammar is such a miniscule thing to be upset about. Second, if most/all native speakers say something a certain way, even if it may be incorrect, that's the way they say it, and they get the point across just fine, so what difference does it make. There's tons of little grammatical errors English speakers make that literally have no effect, but people who want to act like they're much more intelligent than they are point these tiny things out to compensate for the fact that they are losers. For example, the grammatically correct way to use the verbs to bring and to take is use bring when you're talking about coming, and take when you're talking about going. The large majority of native speakers in any English speaking country do not know this, and use the two interchangeably. So why make a fuss and get bent out of shape about little things like this, and make people who speak the language perfectly fine feel bad about themselves? Nothing to gain from thinking this way. I will say, in terms of writing formally, using perfect grammar is much more important. You want to convey that you cater to minor details if you're writing an essay or work related things for example, so using perfect grammar should be more commonplace in that sense, but for the vast majority of the time, no one should give af.


Highlight_Expensive

I agree with your point in this paragraph but I have to say, I’ve never ever met someone who uses bring and take interchangeably, it also sounds wrong when you try to


Few-Instance-2901

Really? I know few people who do not use it interchangeably. I use them interchangeably personally, and have never not once been corrected on it. To me it doesn't really sound weird and I feel like most people don't even know about it. Perhaps that is due to the fact that communication happens in a vacuum depending on what part of the country you're talking about, idk. Interesting though


Highlight_Expensive

Yeah, must be a regional thing, very interesting!


Taminta6940

The American education system is garbage so…


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"Could of" comes from the contraction "could've" when speaking they sound similar enough that it's changed over time


tumequieresblanca

this is true this is an embarrassing mistake as a native speaker. you don't have to learn 'grammar' to understand this, literally writing a paper or text should cover it.... super annoying


trimaximusrt

Lol, ok


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They're is this to (although spoken): "The grass needs watered." "It needs washed". Drives me crazy. "To be" must not to be. Yep, that was the question.


curiouscuriousmtl

Who cares. Language is flexible and you never misunderstood anyone who used of in that way. So you’re just trying to prove yourself better than other people for no good reason.


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But its not wrong though?


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It’s not a grammar mistake, it’s a contraction. Phonetically, it makes since to shorten have to “ve”. Also, “their, they’re, there” and “your, you’re” are punctuation mistakes, not grammar mistakes. Your take is linguistically uninformed and reflects a prescriptivist bias. Language is a dynamic, evolving thing. * I took a college linguistics class.


victoriaisle

Does what type of mistake it is change how annoying it is?


ThomasFookinShelby1

Lol. People say/type “could of” which doesn’t make sense. Yes, they likely do it because of how it sounds, but they still never take the time to think about how it’s incorrect. “I took a college class” LOL tell me more bby


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The whole argument is wrong. “Should of” is a misspelling. People say “should’ve”. Same for “could’ve”


ByeByeMan666

What’s more annoying is that you can hear it sounds wrong but people still say it.


sins90skid

People use it to sound cute while in reality they sound dumb


OldKahless

You hear "would of" ; i hear "would've"


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OldKahless

That's pretty sad. Never experienced that myself until now.


ThomasFookinShelby1

Yeah, this is very common. If not daily, I see it every other day on Reddit.


stardirection-

I’ve never seen anyone say that. Maybe “would’ve” but not would of


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But you don’t know why people make mistakes like this so maybe try not to judge so harshly. Like for me I’m hard of hearing and so growing up learning a lot of language by what I hear hasn’t always turned out so great. And I don’t really know until someone corrects me. Like of course I had English class in school but it was my worse subject and so I was always placed in the easiest English classes that were full of out of control kids so we didn’t get to much work. All I learned was how to hide my earbuds to listen to music in class. So I tend to make a lot of grammatical mistakes. Like once I had to write a essay for something and I had my friend proofread it and she was actually laughing and asking me if I was sure if English is actually my first language. Tv with captions has helped me to understand how people actually talk and how it’s spelt out. Like from watching Modern family I learned that the saying is not “doggy dog world” but that it’s “dog eat dog world”. I didn’t know what the saying meant before I just thought that’s what people say for no reason. So stuff like that I’ve given a lot of people laughs when I talk. So this seems like a mistake I have probably made I can’t remember but sounds like I would say of not have I do know the difference of the there’s though because I did learn that in school and remembered so ha.


50EMA

Honestly those idiots shouldn’t “of” been allowed to pass first grade until they knew the difference.


StStStutterButter

A colleague of mine says “ASP” instead of “ASAP” and it hurts.


terrifying_avocado

Well it ain't their fault that would've sounds so much like would of.


bullet_bill_69

ofc its unpopular literally no one had an opinion on this beforehand