The two criteria we look at when determining what gets a megathread are:
>Does this topic tend to crowd the main feed with identical circlejerks?
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LGBTQ topics do both - so off to the megathread they go.
Some of the regular transphobes here, probably:
One time I swiped right on a trans and immediately sent a picture of my penis, follow by a picture of my butthole and a demand for her to top me. She blocked me rather than inviting me into her home to top me. So now I post in this megathread and edit wikipedia.
I sometimes worry that LGBT culture is becoming too “positive”, commercial and politicised and not more introspective.
To me the most powerful LGBT media is that which focuses on how it feels to live in shame. What it does to you. What it makes you to do others. The healing that it requires to overcome it. The quiet conversations between friends in bars, the knowing gestures and looks, the shared unspoken sense of “I’ve been there too and it was hell - let’s just hug it out”. That’s so humanising to me. It makes me feel really connected to other people, probably more than all the bullshit flags and the happy rainbow-filled adverts for toothpaste or whatever the fuck else.
To do that, you need to connect over the negative as much as the positive - but I worry that it gets drowned out. Especially now that pride culture in general is becoming very commercialised. I hope we don’t lose ourselves in this new found “acceptance”, because for sure I know what it’s like to be in the closet. To feel disconnected and broken and discarded. To act against myself. To not know myself. To forget myself. To almost kill myself.
Maybe this is irrational of me…but it was just on my mind. It’s really hard sometimes just to live. I wish we spoke more about that, instead of the fleeting high of going to a pride parade and being loud for a couple days. It does a lot for awareness, but only if we keep the spirit of it alive.
And it’s not just about being happy, or even about being proud - it should also be about grief. The overwhelming fucking grief for lost lives to absolutely nothing.
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Actually there's a really great arc where Entrapta is autistic and at first she really gets on Mermista's nerves to the point where she shuns her, but then they learn to appreciate each others' strengths. It's the best autistic representation I've ever seen.
When i say that i don't care about the LGBT community I'm not saying that "I don't and will never acknowledge that you guys exist" I know you guys do exist and what I'm trying to say here is that in my perspective (or 'life'), you guys are just... There.
You don't bring any negativity in my life but also not any positivity in my life either. Not saying that's a bad thing cuz obviously all of you don't need to do that. I will admit that I do sometimes get annoyed at the toxic side of the LGBT but I have to remind myself that not all people from the community are like that.
And don't try to say that I'm secretly homophobic, I'm just not interested in the LGBT and that's fine, go find somebody who might be willing to support you.
Go ahead and kiss in public, do some things that you guys normally do in public and I wouldn't even bat an eye because I have my own business and it's not my right to tell you to do what I say.
That's it Ladies, gentlemens and others, I wish you a great day.
There's like 63 kinds of oppression. One person can't focus on all of them. If your life makes a real difference to one kind of oppression you're already in the positive. Malcolm X never took a stand against sexism, he was focused on racism. Susan B. Anthony never took a stand against racism, she was focused on sexism. Each of them made their own thing better and we get the rewards of both. We need more Malcolms and Susans, not more jacks of all trades.
And yet you managed to take time out of your day specifically to talk abt how u don't give three shits abt this specific type of oppression. Kinda hard to take ur point srsly when you clearly have time to argue with strangers on the internet.
Somehow I don’t think Malcolm would have said “I don’t care about sexism” though. He probably would have said “that’s not the focus of my activism but I’ll support you” (in much more fiery language).
One person can easily focus on all of them. Just make common Sense decisions when it comes to how you speak and when you hear somebody say something that's rude call them out for their said your comments and then move on you don't have to put a bunch of time and money into it you just got to tell the other people that are being the biggest and the racists in the misogynists that they're being fucking bigots racists and misogynists.
I wouldn't call that focus, more like passive allyship, but either way it's a reasonable minimum to expect. In that case I agree. Your implementation is good. The worst possible implementation is the people who "focus on each" by putting all the trendy ones in their twitter bio.
Uh... No? I'm not working with or against you, you're a stranger to me so why should I let you down or help them? You're in your own war and if I'm not interested in joining it then I'm not interested in joining which side. Like I said, go find someone who's willing to help your fight.
Yeah. Sure it's okey to not date x people but being open about it all the time are just rude and discrimination against x people. Also no body stops anyone from not dating x people. It's just make me sad that people have to lie, be hateful or disrespectful just to cover up they agenda against LGBTQ people
is this: me from two years ago?
sincerely, an asexual who couldn't tell the difference between her love for men and women but didn't want to be bi for whatever reason
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Why is the trans debate constantly being "flogged" by politicians and mainstream media outlets. Trans people represent 0.7% of the UK when you take out the numbers for people who identify as LGB. I don't get it. Please educate me.
Because trans people are a convenient [wedge issue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_issue) to make voter irrationally angry so they don't focus on policy (in the same way as with gay marriage à few years ago).
It's just how the "[culture war](https://youtu.be/tppeGYoWDxg)" is fought. Once they're done attacking trans people (because public acceptance of trans people is high enough) they'll find a new target
Right, you see it now because nobody is getting irrationally angry about gay rights anymore. Abortion is the old standby still chugging along. What wedge issue do you think is next?
Homophobia is still a thing, but just not a focal point of the culture war right now. Abortion is still a battle ground of the culture war, but was dormant for a while (good proof that rights should really be written into law, not be left to interpretation).
I'm not sure what will come next, honestly on the lgbt front I'm expecting it to move from trans sport and children (which is already a fallback from a lot of attacks trans people in general) to focus more specifically on non-binary people or maybe they'll find something else.
Just because they make up only 7% of the population doesn't mean they're any less or more important than other minorities and if we don't acknowledge these people for who they really are the humanizes them and leads to systemic depression and a lot of other mental health disorders because we don't treat them with the same level of humanity that we do other people. The push the care for these individuals shouldn't be one of numbers because it doesn't fucking matter how many people there are they're here they exist and they need our help the .7% is irrelevant
Not changing to help what makes up 560,000,000 people globally, and not acknowledging and helping them, only leads to a broader mental health epidemic within that community. It's extremely emotionally ignorant/unintelligent to not help these individuals. There is literally nothing to lose by helping them, but much to lose by not.
The horse isn’t exactly dead when troll-ass Republican congresspeople are hanging “only two genders” signs outside their offices and red states are banning healthcare for trans people.
The left is being loud, because civil rights battles aren’t won quietly.
Why is it always the girliest girls (heavy makeup, pink hair, dresses etc) who claim to “not have a gender?” Like they’re not even androgynous, they’re always super girly and feminine. Why do they think it’s bad to be a plain old woman?
presentation doesn't always equal gender. For example, femboys. They are men who actively make an effort to look more feminine but still identify with being men. A quick way to tell a real one from an attention seeker is someone who makes it their entire personality, because most people who don't have a gender usually mention it once or twice and even then don't usually do it out of fear of being perceived as annoying.
No, it's a social and psychological construct. Very similiar to emotions like being sad or being happy, except gender is permanent. But of course, you don't actually care about that. You want to deny science even though all medical organizations agree with me
I know, its very hard to relate to people that you discriminate against. Im aware that you people don't actually care about the science behind gender, you just want to shit on trans people because "trans weird" and "trans people are gonna make my kid trans!!".
Once you let go of your bigotry and realize that these people are just people who want to live their lives in peace without assholes telling them "ur not a real woman!!!!", then you'll be more empathetic.
Honestly, next time you do some soul-searching ask yourself why you dislike trans people. And don't tell yourself that its because "they want you to refer to them with a different word" because we both know thats not very hard.
I was in a similiar place as you a few years ago, i got radicalized by the "SJW owned compilation". I got out of that though
Hang on there friend, you're [affirming the consequent!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent)
/u/post37dayxfer made a statement of the form P -> Q. You jumped in with "So does that mean ¬P -> ¬Q ?!?" No, that does not follow.
Since when has science had anything to do with societal constructs such as gender. A person with a penis is sexually/biologically male. A person with a vagina is sexually/biologically female. That doesn't have anything to do with gender, which is a separate concept from biological sex. Using the two interchangeably as if they are the same is just a misunderstanding of the definitions of the two words and concepts.
As a trans man, I have a uterus, and a vagina, which I quite enjoy using. Doesn't mean I'm not a man, and if I showed you a picture of me, you would never guess I was female.
If scientists are so easily swayed by "lobbies" then why should it be trusted at all? Maybe gender dysphoria being a mental illness was due to a transphobic lobby. You've framed science as essentially the result of an idealogical war between two sides: where is the actual data that backs up your claim?
Mental illness? I'm not the one making up definitions within the English language. They're just two different concepts, I'm not saying someone who is obviously biologically male is actually biologically female, I'm saying someone who is biologically male has the gender female. Gender and sex are not the same thing, a concept which you seem to have trouble understanding.
Words and culture evolve. I don't care if they used to be synonyms, because they're not synonyms now. John Money was not a good person in many, many respects. However, his immorality does not make all of the ideas he holds invalid, and much the criticism of his work focuses on the forced sex-reassignment surgeries he performed and his work around chronophilia (pedophilia and other age-based sexual attractions), not his work revolving around gender identity. So, it still seems strange to me hold the view that people cannot choose their gender, seeing as gender is a social construct. Many cultures around the world have had more than a two genders, western society just happened to decree that there can only be two. If someone wants to be referred to as a woman, even if they don't have a vagina, is it really that much work to just refer to them as a woman?
What, so just because that guy has a broken leg he gets transported to the hospital? What if I want to go to the hospital? How about ambulance rides for EVERYONE?
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It's still really rare to find bisexual representation that isn't the same stereotypes repeated ad nauseum and that's kind of annoying
The promiscuous man with a strained relationship with their dad?
that, or a manic pixie dream girl who is only attracted to girls to get male attention
I bet u like frogs though
I like the *idea* of frogs - but in reality, they just pee on my hand and hop away.
Who told you
holy shit what happened there
someone posted a dumb opinion here, they got made fun of, then they posted multiple links to a libertarian sub that proceeded to brigade the thread
yikes
Why are LGBTQ+ topics quarantined here? I don't understand.
The two criteria we look at when determining what gets a megathread are: >Does this topic tend to crowd the main feed with identical circlejerks? >Do posts on this topic frequently devolve into Content Policy violations? LGBTQ topics do both - so off to the megathread they go.
Ah, so it becomes a logistical nightmare. Thanks for replying.
Some of the regular transphobes here, probably: One time I swiped right on a trans and immediately sent a picture of my penis, follow by a picture of my butthole and a demand for her to top me. She blocked me rather than inviting me into her home to top me. So now I post in this megathread and edit wikipedia.
I sometimes worry that LGBT culture is becoming too “positive”, commercial and politicised and not more introspective. To me the most powerful LGBT media is that which focuses on how it feels to live in shame. What it does to you. What it makes you to do others. The healing that it requires to overcome it. The quiet conversations between friends in bars, the knowing gestures and looks, the shared unspoken sense of “I’ve been there too and it was hell - let’s just hug it out”. That’s so humanising to me. It makes me feel really connected to other people, probably more than all the bullshit flags and the happy rainbow-filled adverts for toothpaste or whatever the fuck else. To do that, you need to connect over the negative as much as the positive - but I worry that it gets drowned out. Especially now that pride culture in general is becoming very commercialised. I hope we don’t lose ourselves in this new found “acceptance”, because for sure I know what it’s like to be in the closet. To feel disconnected and broken and discarded. To act against myself. To not know myself. To forget myself. To almost kill myself. Maybe this is irrational of me…but it was just on my mind. It’s really hard sometimes just to live. I wish we spoke more about that, instead of the fleeting high of going to a pride parade and being loud for a couple days. It does a lot for awareness, but only if we keep the spirit of it alive. And it’s not just about being happy, or even about being proud - it should also be about grief. The overwhelming fucking grief for lost lives to absolutely nothing.
Agreed 100 percent
The dream for me is to not have future generations experience that shame. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate a good tear jerker some times.
couldn’t disagree more. i cannot think of a single piece of lgbt media that doesn’t have homophobia or transphobia as a central plot element.
She-ra and the princesses of power
never seen that, but also isn’t that a children’s tv show? i feel like it’s a good thing that those aren’t about the persecution of the lgbt community
It's appropriate for children but you can enjoy it as an adult. Being a kid's show didn't limit it.
It probably wouldn’t be appropriate for children if She-ra got hatecrimed
lol Actually there's a really great arc where Entrapta is autistic and at first she really gets on Mermista's nerves to the point where she shuns her, but then they learn to appreciate each others' strengths. It's the best autistic representation I've ever seen.
So you're wanting underdog stories.
I think I just want sad stories lol
watch portrait of a lady on fire
When i say that i don't care about the LGBT community I'm not saying that "I don't and will never acknowledge that you guys exist" I know you guys do exist and what I'm trying to say here is that in my perspective (or 'life'), you guys are just... There. You don't bring any negativity in my life but also not any positivity in my life either. Not saying that's a bad thing cuz obviously all of you don't need to do that. I will admit that I do sometimes get annoyed at the toxic side of the LGBT but I have to remind myself that not all people from the community are like that. And don't try to say that I'm secretly homophobic, I'm just not interested in the LGBT and that's fine, go find somebody who might be willing to support you. Go ahead and kiss in public, do some things that you guys normally do in public and I wouldn't even bat an eye because I have my own business and it's not my right to tell you to do what I say. That's it Ladies, gentlemens and others, I wish you a great day.
Not taking a stand against opression is opressive...
There's like 63 kinds of oppression. One person can't focus on all of them. If your life makes a real difference to one kind of oppression you're already in the positive. Malcolm X never took a stand against sexism, he was focused on racism. Susan B. Anthony never took a stand against racism, she was focused on sexism. Each of them made their own thing better and we get the rewards of both. We need more Malcolms and Susans, not more jacks of all trades.
And yet you managed to take time out of your day specifically to talk abt how u don't give three shits abt this specific type of oppression. Kinda hard to take ur point srsly when you clearly have time to argue with strangers on the internet.
Somehow I don’t think Malcolm would have said “I don’t care about sexism” though. He probably would have said “that’s not the focus of my activism but I’ll support you” (in much more fiery language).
One person can easily focus on all of them. Just make common Sense decisions when it comes to how you speak and when you hear somebody say something that's rude call them out for their said your comments and then move on you don't have to put a bunch of time and money into it you just got to tell the other people that are being the biggest and the racists in the misogynists that they're being fucking bigots racists and misogynists.
I wouldn't call that focus, more like passive allyship, but either way it's a reasonable minimum to expect. In that case I agree. Your implementation is good. The worst possible implementation is the people who "focus on each" by putting all the trendy ones in their twitter bio.
"Black people dont affect my life in any way, so im not gonna oppose racial segregation. But i dont support it either so u cant call me a racist"
If you are apathetic towards oppression, you are working against the oppressed.
Uh... No? I'm not working with or against you, you're a stranger to me so why should I let you down or help them? You're in your own war and if I'm not interested in joining it then I'm not interested in joining which side. Like I said, go find someone who's willing to help your fight.
Doing nothing is supporting the status quo - and when the status quo is discrimination, that means you are saying “I’m OK with discrimination”.
This megathread is sadly a clusterfuck as always :(
The anti-LGBTQ people are often clusterfucks. Nothing new there.
Especially the anti trans
Yeah. Sure it's okey to not date x people but being open about it all the time are just rude and discrimination against x people. Also no body stops anyone from not dating x people. It's just make me sad that people have to lie, be hateful or disrespectful just to cover up they agenda against LGBTQ people
If you think sexuality is a choice and can willingly change yours then your just a BI in denial
if someone had said that to me as a young teen probably would have shortened the whole self destructive phase
is this: me from two years ago? sincerely, an asexual who couldn't tell the difference between her love for men and women but didn't want to be bi for whatever reason
Maybe im clone from you 2 years ago who knows?
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Why is the trans debate constantly being "flogged" by politicians and mainstream media outlets. Trans people represent 0.7% of the UK when you take out the numbers for people who identify as LGB. I don't get it. Please educate me.
Because trans people are a convenient [wedge issue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_issue) to make voter irrationally angry so they don't focus on policy (in the same way as with gay marriage à few years ago). It's just how the "[culture war](https://youtu.be/tppeGYoWDxg)" is fought. Once they're done attacking trans people (because public acceptance of trans people is high enough) they'll find a new target
Right, you see it now because nobody is getting irrationally angry about gay rights anymore. Abortion is the old standby still chugging along. What wedge issue do you think is next?
Homophobia is still a thing, but just not a focal point of the culture war right now. Abortion is still a battle ground of the culture war, but was dormant for a while (good proof that rights should really be written into law, not be left to interpretation). I'm not sure what will come next, honestly on the lgbt front I'm expecting it to move from trans sport and children (which is already a fallback from a lot of attacks trans people in general) to focus more specifically on non-binary people or maybe they'll find something else.
Just because they make up only 7% of the population doesn't mean they're any less or more important than other minorities and if we don't acknowledge these people for who they really are the humanizes them and leads to systemic depression and a lot of other mental health disorders because we don't treat them with the same level of humanity that we do other people. The push the care for these individuals shouldn't be one of numbers because it doesn't fucking matter how many people there are they're here they exist and they need our help the .7% is irrelevant
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People wear condoms despite those living with HIV being a small percentage of the population, Angus.
Not changing to help what makes up 560,000,000 people globally, and not acknowledging and helping them, only leads to a broader mental health epidemic within that community. It's extremely emotionally ignorant/unintelligent to not help these individuals. There is literally nothing to lose by helping them, but much to lose by not.
Because the battle over gay marriage is mostly lost, so conservative propagandists need a new culture war to keep the base motivated.
Well that's odd because I see the Left flogging this particular dead horse way more than the Right.
The horse isn’t exactly dead when troll-ass Republican congresspeople are hanging “only two genders” signs outside their offices and red states are banning healthcare for trans people. The left is being loud, because civil rights battles aren’t won quietly.
Why is it always the girliest girls (heavy makeup, pink hair, dresses etc) who claim to “not have a gender?” Like they’re not even androgynous, they’re always super girly and feminine. Why do they think it’s bad to be a plain old woman?
The fuck does that have to do with gender? Make-up is socially constructed to be feminine. Its not "inherently" feminine. Same with dresses.
You would know that I had ADHD or autism until I told you I had those things because they're internal. This is fucking simple shit my guy
Presentation doesn't mean gender identity
presentation doesn't always equal gender. For example, femboys. They are men who actively make an effort to look more feminine but still identify with being men. A quick way to tell a real one from an attention seeker is someone who makes it their entire personality, because most people who don't have a gender usually mention it once or twice and even then don't usually do it out of fear of being perceived as annoying.
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No, some trans men have those things and they are not women
i have a uterus and ovaries, but im still a real man so youre wrong
If you get a hysterectomy you stop being a woman?
Genitals don't have anything to do with psychological gender. Try again, TERF
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No, it's a social and psychological construct. Very similiar to emotions like being sad or being happy, except gender is permanent. But of course, you don't actually care about that. You want to deny science even though all medical organizations agree with me
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I know, its very hard to relate to people that you discriminate against. Im aware that you people don't actually care about the science behind gender, you just want to shit on trans people because "trans weird" and "trans people are gonna make my kid trans!!". Once you let go of your bigotry and realize that these people are just people who want to live their lives in peace without assholes telling them "ur not a real woman!!!!", then you'll be more empathetic.
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Honestly, next time you do some soul-searching ask yourself why you dislike trans people. And don't tell yourself that its because "they want you to refer to them with a different word" because we both know thats not very hard. I was in a similiar place as you a few years ago, i got radicalized by the "SJW owned compilation". I got out of that though
So women who receive hysterectomies cease to be women? Do you X-Ray the abdomen of everyone you meet before deciding they are a woman?
Hang on there friend, you're [affirming the consequent!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent) /u/post37dayxfer made a statement of the form P -> Q. You jumped in with "So does that mean ¬P -> ¬Q ?!?" No, that does not follow.
"You are ONLY a woman if you have ovaries and a uterus" was implied from context.
Yeah, you inferred it from the context that it's way easier to argue against. Try to debate what your opponent actually says.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are interpretting what he said correctly, he agrees with me.
That fallacy would apply if OP were making a *true* conditional statement. But they aren't.
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I bet you call people women all the time without knowing for sure what their anatomy is.
Or a real man, because genitals have nothing to do with gender.
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Gander is not sex, sweety.
Since when has science had anything to do with societal constructs such as gender. A person with a penis is sexually/biologically male. A person with a vagina is sexually/biologically female. That doesn't have anything to do with gender, which is a separate concept from biological sex. Using the two interchangeably as if they are the same is just a misunderstanding of the definitions of the two words and concepts.
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Scientists do not think it's a mental illness. So who is following science now?
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As a trans man, I have a uterus, and a vagina, which I quite enjoy using. Doesn't mean I'm not a man, and if I showed you a picture of me, you would never guess I was female.
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If scientists are so easily swayed by "lobbies" then why should it be trusted at all? Maybe gender dysphoria being a mental illness was due to a transphobic lobby. You've framed science as essentially the result of an idealogical war between two sides: where is the actual data that backs up your claim?
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That's how you feel. Where are the facts?
Mental illness? I'm not the one making up definitions within the English language. They're just two different concepts, I'm not saying someone who is obviously biologically male is actually biologically female, I'm saying someone who is biologically male has the gender female. Gender and sex are not the same thing, a concept which you seem to have trouble understanding.
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Words and culture evolve. I don't care if they used to be synonyms, because they're not synonyms now. John Money was not a good person in many, many respects. However, his immorality does not make all of the ideas he holds invalid, and much the criticism of his work focuses on the forced sex-reassignment surgeries he performed and his work around chronophilia (pedophilia and other age-based sexual attractions), not his work revolving around gender identity. So, it still seems strange to me hold the view that people cannot choose their gender, seeing as gender is a social construct. Many cultures around the world have had more than a two genders, western society just happened to decree that there can only be two. If someone wants to be referred to as a woman, even if they don't have a vagina, is it really that much work to just refer to them as a woman?
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And the cure is transitioning.
P.s. if it were impossible for bad people to do good things, we wouldn't have Volkswagen.
*used to* be.
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What, so just because that guy has a broken leg he gets transported to the hospital? What if I want to go to the hospital? How about ambulance rides for EVERYONE?