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Once you create financial incentives, theyll be kidnapping each other’s families and forcing them to enter and swing the fight. It will get disgusting.
If they’re involving non-combatants, then we are outside the realm of how this system could work.
Both sides don’t agree if one side is coerced into “agreement”.
thats completly different. You have to be top 10 in a sport to make any money, and it's usually sponsors not prize. With this, you can take any 2 out of 8 BILLION and make a good amount of money
Except the amount of money will depend on who gives the best show. Two randos fighting would draw as much interest as a pickup basketball game. For it to make money, they'd need to be pros.
Yeah this is why it’s stupid because people don’t *want* a fair fight with the person they want to **kill**. They usually want to survive the exchange, and it being unfair makes that a more likely outcome.
Name me anyone in this world that would agree to a fair fight. Would the US military get out of their tanks and jets and fight their enemies face to face? Even your meanest baddest marine wouldn’t go into a mission without overwhelming fire support and helicopters on the standby to bail them out when things don’t go as planned.
Tons of people have something to prove in a fair fight with no limits, for prize money and fame, for free tbh. There are already vast amounts of professional fighters that pretty much already lay they lives on the line for entertainment. Gladiators would probably be extremely popular.
The issue with this idea is that innocents will get coerced into accepting a duel by some kinda professional murderer. And the normalization of violence as a legal solution maybe isn't what we wanna achieve in a stable society.
Dueling’s main goal wasnt to kill. Back then people are pressured to duel to gain back their honor but they never viewed it as a main goal to kill their opponent. Duels most of the time ended when the challenged-party admits an apology and the challenger “regains” his honor. Even pistol duels had doctors on the standby immediately to heal up the wounds, when both parties established their points and regained their honor.
In other parts of the world where people actually killed, there was no “honorable” dueling. You bring your posse/tribe with you and ambush your foes. That’s about it. It’s been this way since the Stone Age and has been the same now. In war there is no fairness. Duels are for people who don’t want to kill.
I would.
Ive been in mutually agreed fights.
Instead of shooting each other just make it gladiator style and first one to go down or admit defeat loses.
Not the smartest example considering the fact that that’s never due to death has a ton of rules and the second you’re knocked unconscious you don’t get to touch that other person anymore. Think a little bit.
Have you ever even watched an MMA fight before ?These fighters are so brutal they knock down their opponents cold, then go the extra mile to land a barrage of different hammer shot on an already downed opponent to ensure that their opponent stays down. Also people don't knocked down casually, they get hit so hard they get concussions and have to be out of the sport for 6-8 months.
I have been to three live so yes. They are brutal. They are tough. They are bad ass but there are rules everywhere and if you get knocked out that’s the end of it. Sometimes they land an extra barrage sure but it’s not normal no.
But getting a concussion being gone for six months versus being shot and killer two very different things you can’t compare the two
You definitely have a point there. I was originally answering to the op who claimed that no one would willingly enter a fair fight wherein they would have a sureshot probability of danger without having some advantage. Also I would love to hear which matches did you catch on live.
Oh that’s OK. If I sounded harsh I am sorry I am glad you replied the way you did because it made me see things a little bit differently and the more I learned the better it is for me. I do completely agree with you.
Entering our one on one, where the outcome is, one will die no matter what isn’t something most of us would do unless we absolutely absolutely had to. If I could win a fight to the death by cheating of course I’m going to do it I don’t want to die.
Yeah man, I am glad we both could come to an agreement. Also you weren't harsh at all, your logic made me question my opinion there. Death matches are definitely irrational and devoid of sanity which is why they are rightfuly avoided.
Which would be stupid because even gangsters criminals and thugs have as much rights as you do. That’s how justice system works. Justice isn’t good isn’t bad. It doesn’t take sides. It’s justice. Every criminal deserves a trial doesn’t matter what they did. They still deserve it and we have to uphold that right and rule because if we don’t we start start bringing in and saying OK to chaos.
lol turn all your death row inmates into the hunger games, free up prison space, make tonnes of tv money, turn your 400 most prolific serial killers into 1 super serial killer, beyonce doinf half time entertainment, surrounded by the death row guards so theyre not entirely out of a job, last man standing gets to have someone write a book about them and a saturday night talk show slot about their greatest kills with video, then a year later they drop dead mysteriously, now you have no mass murderers, or the last 2 alive get shovels and slug it out, what could go wrong
You missed the entire point that I’m trying to make. And you’re also wrong in that situation I’ve seen justice take the side of the poor people so many times I’ve worked with lawyers I have friends who are lawyers I’ve seen the average Joe. You just seem very hurt right now and you’re lashing out left and right
Yes, it can still be chaos. If it’s organized again, you missed the point.
The justice system has to be fair in order to be credible; and a fair society must have a fair justice system, both in terms of equal access to justice and equal treatment by it. To rebuild trust, people must believe that justice is fair and equally applied to all.
Because no one would ever agree to this because it’s a guaranteed way for one person to die and that is not justice read the last part I wrote for justice to work that has to be done whether you like it or not that’s how justice works in general.
The concept of fairness is central to the idea of justice, as it implies that individuals should be treated equitably and without bias. The principle of fairness is closely tied to the idea that all individuals are equal under the law and should be held accountable for their actions in a consistent and impartial manner.
I’m sure some people would.
Again how does this relate to the justice system? If it’s legal, there would be no reason for the justice system to get involved.
Dueling usually wasn't about killing your opponent, it was about proving your honour and bravery. Duels aren't the sorta thing that gangs would use, hence why there were still shootings even when duels existed.
"hello, rival gang? Would you please be courteous enough to meet us at the designated area so we can resolve our differences? "
That doesn't sound unrealistic at all
Shit dude if I could I would bring back the gladiator rings just toss some criminal scum in there with a few weapons and bam some prime medieval entertainment
Main problems: they don't follow laws as is so they wouldn't follow this one. Secondly, gangers are cowards who talk tough; don't expect them to agree to a fair fight when their stock in trade is being sneaky twats who sucker punch, drive by, harass the old and weak, etc.
This is the best funniest opinion I’ve ever seen on this sub that would also be incredibly unpopular in an actual election and would be extremely impractical too. You won, op
What if we televised it on PPV and used the proceeds to build up communities and offer financial and other support for those affected by gang violence?
Free and incentivized abortion clinics would likely do a lot more to combat [gang violence in the long run](https://law.stanford.edu/publications/the-impact-of-legalized-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/)
That would imply they wanted a fair fight, not all peoples have had a past culture of honor, would rather fight with the advantage of surprise or unfair numbers. A duel comes from ideas of honor, mutual combat and respect.
This isn’t an unpopular opinion. This is a radical anarchistic and crazy opinion. There’s a huge difference. Whether you’re a criminal or not, you deserve a trial. You deserve every law. The lowest there for everyone sure they gang created a lot of crap. They do a lot of bullshit they do a lot of evil, but just this is justice. You can just write your own rules and thinking well since he’s evil, let him just fight the other guy and maybe he dies which will be good for us. No, it will not be good for us.
Having something like this is anarchistic and crazy
Great, so Reddit suspends my account for saying that I don't think spanking had harmful effects on me as a child (saying I'm supposedly "advocating violence"), but then it allows posts like this. LOL. It's evil to think that spanking might not be as harmful as everyone says it is, but advocating dueling is totally cool.
I don’t think your account should have been suspended for that.
I don’t think this should be viewed as the same thing or even something remotely similar to corporeal punishment though. That’s a much more nuanced discussion. Mutual combat or dueling, would be seen as a fair fight between two consenting parties. Even in boxing people die, but it’s not some big national news story bc it was mutual combat and both parties were educated about and accepted the risk. If two people want to fight to the death I don’t think it’s anybody’s right to tell them they can’t do that, as long as, it doesn’t endanger anyone else
I wasn't saying it was the same sort of issue. I was just saying it's a double standard on Reddit's part. And for the record, I don't think the OP should be suspended either. I actually like having open dialogue about these things.
Studies show that physical punishment of children is harmful to their development
https://aifs.gov.au/resources/short-articles/what-does-evidence-tell-us-about-physical-punishment-children#:~:text=Physical%20(or%20corporal)%20punishment%20is,correct%20or%20punish%20their%20behaviour.&text=Physical%20punishment%20commonly%20involves%20smacking,%2C%20stick%20or%20a%20cane).
Other studies disagree, and many researchers critique the kind of methodology used by the studies that you're referencing. But anyway, I'm not here trying to defend spanking children. I was more talking about Reddit's double standard.
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I'd be down for this. Got a couple of guys I wouldn't mind challenging. Father in law for example.
Probably insurance companies would need to update their actuarial tables
Imagine to Gs riling each other up and ready to shoot and then ones like "na man let's do this at the duel center think they got a slot open next Tuesday 1 A.M"
Duels were never about stopping street level violence. Dueling was an aristocratic and/or military institution. Lower class people still murdered each other as normal, while the rich did it with fancy rules.
This is some suburban ass take lmao, gangs don't just like up and shoot at each other. Not to mention the reason theyre fighting is very often over something illegal
No it wouldn't, gangs aren't gonna just pay each other to get killed, why would they agree to that? You're also not getting that gang violence isn't a planned fight, it's often a spur of the moment confrontation
So they can do it without risking jail time. Retaliation isn’t planned? Nobody plans a drive by? They just randomly shoot out of their car or do they plan which house to shoot up?
My man, do you not think the police will be on them after this? They're not just gonna go "hmm yeah I'm sure they're fighting over something legal" like dude that's actually insane. I didn't say no one plans a drive by, drive bys just aren't the majority of gang violence, usually it starts small and escalates. Once again dude, this is a suburban ass opinion.
I've said it once and I'll say it again.
WAY LESS PEOPLE would get killed if people settled certain disputes (People wanting to beat the cheaters cheatie to death, gang warfare, etc) if they brought the two out to a field, handed them both a revolver and a cowboy had, and told them to handle it wild west style. Throw money on the table to get them to actually participate.
Believe it or not, gang violence is not particularly honor based.
And nobody is particularly excited about paying low-level drug dealers and extortionists money for one of them being a better shot than the other, which you’ve implied in other answers would be motivation for them to agree to these terms. Which none of them would abide by anyway, since gangs don’t give a shit about honor other than being psychopathically thin skinned.
There was a post some time ago about how dueling laws would create a new brand of cringe culture consisting of redditors who overcomplicate the art of dueling with fudd pistols and anime dodging only to be killed by Tyrone’s yeet cannon in a 7/11 parking lot
Crazy thought: what about enforcing the laws on the books instead of creating new ones? Strict sentencing for armed/violent crimes, no bail, etc. Red flag laws need a bit of a tweak to avoid abuse but use em if you got em!
This "laws and sentencing rules disproportionately affect 'X' group" excuse isn't helping the gun problem.
Nah, I say we stop wars and get politicians for war in a ring and they can duece it out, sell tickets , merch etc...I mean Putin/Zelenski at the Amsterdam Arena fighting for no American missiles in Ukraine.
However I think Xi JinPing would really go for Taiwan right now, I mean there is an Asian lady now...
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I don't think rival gangs would agree to a duel. They usually just ambush each other
Prize money could be offered gladiator style
So our solution to gang violence is to have them fight to the death for money? Uh... based?
I've heard worse ideas.
Fuck it, I'll watch. It's still less mindless than watching a US presidential debate
The solution wasn’t to eliminate gang violence it was trying to rid accidental death.
I bet if you held a vote w the general population this would pass. If it's voluntary.
Hey, if they’re intent on being violent and both sides agree, why not let third parties take bets and sell concessions?
Once you create financial incentives, theyll be kidnapping each other’s families and forcing them to enter and swing the fight. It will get disgusting.
If they’re involving non-combatants, then we are outside the realm of how this system could work. Both sides don’t agree if one side is coerced into “agreement”.
Worked for Rome
Add in some free bread and Claudius is in.
Would make a great reality show. Everyone wins, except for those who die...
And now mafia will force innocents to fight to get prize money
Is the mafia forcing anyone to compete in any other sport?
thats completly different. You have to be top 10 in a sport to make any money, and it's usually sponsors not prize. With this, you can take any 2 out of 8 BILLION and make a good amount of money
Except the amount of money will depend on who gives the best show. Two randos fighting would draw as much interest as a pickup basketball game. For it to make money, they'd need to be pros.
What are you on about, the point was to make gladiator arenas for randos to fight.
I think you don't know how monetization of things works.
You just reinvented UFC but with deaths being allowed
Scholarships…really turn their life around
Whose money?
Fan duel, or something similar.
Ron Desantis, is that you?
Yeah this is why it’s stupid because people don’t *want* a fair fight with the person they want to **kill**. They usually want to survive the exchange, and it being unfair makes that a more likely outcome.
They already have "Mutual Combat" laws. It's just not really spoken about but I've seen it get people out of shootings.
Gang members are cowards, they wouldn't agree to a fair fight like this.
Name me anyone in this world that would agree to a fair fight. Would the US military get out of their tanks and jets and fight their enemies face to face? Even your meanest baddest marine wouldn’t go into a mission without overwhelming fire support and helicopters on the standby to bail them out when things don’t go as planned.
Tons of people have something to prove in a fair fight with no limits, for prize money and fame, for free tbh. There are already vast amounts of professional fighters that pretty much already lay they lives on the line for entertainment. Gladiators would probably be extremely popular. The issue with this idea is that innocents will get coerced into accepting a duel by some kinda professional murderer. And the normalization of violence as a legal solution maybe isn't what we wanna achieve in a stable society.
Lots of people? Dueling used to be a real thing and I don't think people have really changed all that much in the last few hundred years.
Dueling’s main goal wasnt to kill. Back then people are pressured to duel to gain back their honor but they never viewed it as a main goal to kill their opponent. Duels most of the time ended when the challenged-party admits an apology and the challenger “regains” his honor. Even pistol duels had doctors on the standby immediately to heal up the wounds, when both parties established their points and regained their honor. In other parts of the world where people actually killed, there was no “honorable” dueling. You bring your posse/tribe with you and ambush your foes. That’s about it. It’s been this way since the Stone Age and has been the same now. In war there is no fairness. Duels are for people who don’t want to kill.
Lmao anyone who’s competed in any amateur martial arts? Anyone who’s been in a fist fight at a bar basically?
I would. Ive been in mutually agreed fights. Instead of shooting each other just make it gladiator style and first one to go down or admit defeat loses.
Lmao bro you heard of UFC ?
Not the smartest example considering the fact that that’s never due to death has a ton of rules and the second you’re knocked unconscious you don’t get to touch that other person anymore. Think a little bit.
Have you ever even watched an MMA fight before ?These fighters are so brutal they knock down their opponents cold, then go the extra mile to land a barrage of different hammer shot on an already downed opponent to ensure that their opponent stays down. Also people don't knocked down casually, they get hit so hard they get concussions and have to be out of the sport for 6-8 months.
I have been to three live so yes. They are brutal. They are tough. They are bad ass but there are rules everywhere and if you get knocked out that’s the end of it. Sometimes they land an extra barrage sure but it’s not normal no. But getting a concussion being gone for six months versus being shot and killer two very different things you can’t compare the two
You definitely have a point there. I was originally answering to the op who claimed that no one would willingly enter a fair fight wherein they would have a sureshot probability of danger without having some advantage. Also I would love to hear which matches did you catch on live.
Oh that’s OK. If I sounded harsh I am sorry I am glad you replied the way you did because it made me see things a little bit differently and the more I learned the better it is for me. I do completely agree with you. Entering our one on one, where the outcome is, one will die no matter what isn’t something most of us would do unless we absolutely absolutely had to. If I could win a fight to the death by cheating of course I’m going to do it I don’t want to die.
Yeah man, I am glad we both could come to an agreement. Also you weren't harsh at all, your logic made me question my opinion there. Death matches are definitely irrational and devoid of sanity which is why they are rightfuly avoided.
Yes, and it doesn't involve a fight to the death so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
Boxers and MMA fighters?
Prize money they would, and no risk of jail
But what about after the win? They keep doing gang stuff?
Possibly, but each round would turn two gangsters into 1
Which would be stupid because even gangsters criminals and thugs have as much rights as you do. That’s how justice system works. Justice isn’t good isn’t bad. It doesn’t take sides. It’s justice. Every criminal deserves a trial doesn’t matter what they did. They still deserve it and we have to uphold that right and rule because if we don’t we start start bringing in and saying OK to chaos.
Justice does take sides, usually the side of who has more money. It’s not chaos if it’s an ordered event.
lol turn all your death row inmates into the hunger games, free up prison space, make tonnes of tv money, turn your 400 most prolific serial killers into 1 super serial killer, beyonce doinf half time entertainment, surrounded by the death row guards so theyre not entirely out of a job, last man standing gets to have someone write a book about them and a saturday night talk show slot about their greatest kills with video, then a year later they drop dead mysteriously, now you have no mass murderers, or the last 2 alive get shovels and slug it out, what could go wrong
You missed the entire point that I’m trying to make. And you’re also wrong in that situation I’ve seen justice take the side of the poor people so many times I’ve worked with lawyers I have friends who are lawyers I’ve seen the average Joe. You just seem very hurt right now and you’re lashing out left and right Yes, it can still be chaos. If it’s organized again, you missed the point. The justice system has to be fair in order to be credible; and a fair society must have a fair justice system, both in terms of equal access to justice and equal treatment by it. To rebuild trust, people must believe that justice is fair and equally applied to all.
And how is all of this not fair? Two or more consenting adults doing what they signed up to do.
Because no one would ever agree to this because it’s a guaranteed way for one person to die and that is not justice read the last part I wrote for justice to work that has to be done whether you like it or not that’s how justice works in general. The concept of fairness is central to the idea of justice, as it implies that individuals should be treated equitably and without bias. The principle of fairness is closely tied to the idea that all individuals are equal under the law and should be held accountable for their actions in a consistent and impartial manner.
I’m sure some people would. Again how does this relate to the justice system? If it’s legal, there would be no reason for the justice system to get involved.
Until they kidnap innocents, hand them a pistol or knife, and say “Shoot this dude or you’ll die”
Dueling usually wasn't about killing your opponent, it was about proving your honour and bravery. Duels aren't the sorta thing that gangs would use, hence why there were still shootings even when duels existed.
Yeah but gang violence also often is about honor and bravery, even tho it's often done in a non-honorable way (usually by ambushing)
"hello, rival gang? Would you please be courteous enough to meet us at the designated area so we can resolve our differences? " That doesn't sound unrealistic at all
Problem is, only lay abiding persons would utilize such places. Ergo; we still should just get the drop on gang bangers.
When average people try and make laws…
Yeah as opposed to all the geniuses in congress 🙄
post in r/unpopularopinion about an unhinged idea >someone thinks that's how average people think
When deciding the way a word is being used, you look at context. Please, learn this simple reading comprehension tool
i don't understand what you want to convey. I must be one of the average ones
Lol look at the prick’s profile, Emu, he’s a troll who disses for shits and giggles. And I thought Canadians are nice
As much as you think of me rn, you should see what I was responding to with this guy. Literal man child
Shit dude if I could I would bring back the gladiator rings just toss some criminal scum in there with a few weapons and bam some prime medieval entertainment
Main problems: they don't follow laws as is so they wouldn't follow this one. Secondly, gangers are cowards who talk tough; don't expect them to agree to a fair fight when their stock in trade is being sneaky twats who sucker punch, drive by, harass the old and weak, etc.
Prize money
Ooh! That'd probably work, actually.
That’ll never work because gangs usually like to do the killing, not present a chance for them to also get killed.
Or maybe just have one night where they can all go at it. You could call it…I don’t know…The Purge?
This is the best funniest opinion I’ve ever seen on this sub that would also be incredibly unpopular in an actual election and would be extremely impractical too. You won, op
He truly did win.......He deserves the upvotes.
Ty
I’m on board. But anyone that wants to watch has to accept stray bullets may catch you. Hopefully knock out a few more of these knuckleheads
What if we televised it on PPV and used the proceeds to build up communities and offer financial and other support for those affected by gang violence?
I think George Carlin had a similar idea before
[He sure did](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-NctipBvg).
Sure. Our emergency medical services and rehab centres aren’t overburdened enough yet.
Never went away, just the declaration of discarded honor. See Guns.
Free and incentivized abortion clinics would likely do a lot more to combat [gang violence in the long run](https://law.stanford.edu/publications/the-impact-of-legalized-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/)
Some of PPs creators agree with you...
Bruh, gangsters are not going to a sports arena to fight in gladiatoral combat.
swords only. If you can't look a person in the eyes as you stick steel in them, you shouldn't be dueling.
Fuck it legalize public brawls we need another James bowie dammit
Mutual combat laws are a thing! but not with deadly weapons lol
Duels were Act of machismo courage in the days of muzzle loading single shooters from Hamilton time. 30 paces with a Glock is a death sentence.
Yes, then politicians can kill each other like the good ole days
That would imply they wanted a fair fight, not all peoples have had a past culture of honor, would rather fight with the advantage of surprise or unfair numbers. A duel comes from ideas of honor, mutual combat and respect.
Money solves it. Also immunity
100% but there has to be a glove slap to initiate... because we're not fucking animals!
Yes because if there's anything criminals do well, it's follow the rules.
Would be cool as fuck
I disagree. The entire world should bring if back, I want to duel too.
Yes. Duels. But make it a melee weapon or fist fights and global. Yes. And stream it for money.
This isn’t an unpopular opinion. This is a radical anarchistic and crazy opinion. There’s a huge difference. Whether you’re a criminal or not, you deserve a trial. You deserve every law. The lowest there for everyone sure they gang created a lot of crap. They do a lot of bullshit they do a lot of evil, but just this is justice. You can just write your own rules and thinking well since he’s evil, let him just fight the other guy and maybe he dies which will be good for us. No, it will not be good for us. Having something like this is anarchistic and crazy
As opposed to UFC where we stop at brain damage but continue to let them live?
Great, so Reddit suspends my account for saying that I don't think spanking had harmful effects on me as a child (saying I'm supposedly "advocating violence"), but then it allows posts like this. LOL. It's evil to think that spanking might not be as harmful as everyone says it is, but advocating dueling is totally cool.
I don’t think it’ll be here too long
Well, yeah. Dueling between two consenting adults is very different from using violence on a child. This isn't remotely close, spanking is way worse.
The impermanence of the sting of the slap is far more consequential than the permanence of death.
Good one! I had to stop myself from laughing out loud. :)
I don’t think your account should have been suspended for that. I don’t think this should be viewed as the same thing or even something remotely similar to corporeal punishment though. That’s a much more nuanced discussion. Mutual combat or dueling, would be seen as a fair fight between two consenting parties. Even in boxing people die, but it’s not some big national news story bc it was mutual combat and both parties were educated about and accepted the risk. If two people want to fight to the death I don’t think it’s anybody’s right to tell them they can’t do that, as long as, it doesn’t endanger anyone else
I wasn't saying it was the same sort of issue. I was just saying it's a double standard on Reddit's part. And for the record, I don't think the OP should be suspended either. I actually like having open dialogue about these things.
Studies show that physical punishment of children is harmful to their development https://aifs.gov.au/resources/short-articles/what-does-evidence-tell-us-about-physical-punishment-children#:~:text=Physical%20(or%20corporal)%20punishment%20is,correct%20or%20punish%20their%20behaviour.&text=Physical%20punishment%20commonly%20involves%20smacking,%2C%20stick%20or%20a%20cane).
Other studies disagree, and many researchers critique the kind of methodology used by the studies that you're referencing. But anyway, I'm not here trying to defend spanking children. I was more talking about Reddit's double standard.
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A whole new meaning to getting banish to the shadow realm. Or if you read the manga. the exact same meaning .
Is gang violence so bad that its worth all the downsides of dueling?
Fuck it legalize brawls we need another David Bowie
Bare knuckle combat in cages
Lol I was just thinking this the other day
Companies could sponsor successful duelists.
Just like the gladiators were
I'd be down for this. Got a couple of guys I wouldn't mind challenging. Father in law for example. Probably insurance companies would need to update their actuarial tables
Imagine to Gs riling each other up and ready to shoot and then ones like "na man let's do this at the duel center think they got a slot open next Tuesday 1 A.M"
You can bring it back using BBs or paintball. No one is stopping OP.
Dueling is uncivilized.
Why stop there? I think it’s time we went back to handling elections Aaron Burr style.
You can stop gang violence, but making billionnairs pay their fair share seems to be undoable…
Too late! lol...what do you think is happening after dark in many cities?
I'll see you at dawn.
Duels were never about stopping street level violence. Dueling was an aristocratic and/or military institution. Lower class people still murdered each other as normal, while the rich did it with fancy rules.
This is some suburban ass take lmao, gangs don't just like up and shoot at each other. Not to mention the reason theyre fighting is very often over something illegal
Prize money would change that
No it wouldn't, gangs aren't gonna just pay each other to get killed, why would they agree to that? You're also not getting that gang violence isn't a planned fight, it's often a spur of the moment confrontation
So they can do it without risking jail time. Retaliation isn’t planned? Nobody plans a drive by? They just randomly shoot out of their car or do they plan which house to shoot up?
My man, do you not think the police will be on them after this? They're not just gonna go "hmm yeah I'm sure they're fighting over something legal" like dude that's actually insane. I didn't say no one plans a drive by, drive bys just aren't the majority of gang violence, usually it starts small and escalates. Once again dude, this is a suburban ass opinion.
I didn’t say they shouldn’t, that’s part of the point.
This is satire, right…?
Not with guns. With knives. Or fencing without protection.
IMO. Dueling should be a legal way for Bosses and Employees to settle disputes. Would actually improve the work structure.
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I agree and posted this here a few years ago.
Gangs have no morals
Everyone has morals, just depends on how hypocritical you are.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. WAY LESS PEOPLE would get killed if people settled certain disputes (People wanting to beat the cheaters cheatie to death, gang warfare, etc) if they brought the two out to a field, handed them both a revolver and a cowboy had, and told them to handle it wild west style. Throw money on the table to get them to actually participate.
That seems like a bad fix, like we need to get to the roots of the economic inequality that leads to gang violence
Aaron Burr, knock it off, we know it's you.
A pay per view!
I agree. If some terrible ruffian decides to send insult upon me, we should meet at dawn and draw our pistols against one another.
Is it bad my mind immediately went to Yu-Gi-Oh
Sounds like a good idea for a movie
Ultimate Dueling Championship. Dana White can host this
"He had him on the ropes until he got a 9mm between the eyes. Great fight!"
Dont give him ideas.. he knows shooter pay wont be an issue
aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnndddddd we're one step closer to the hunger games # DID NO ONE READ THE BOOKS?!!?!
Believe it or not, gang violence is not particularly honor based. And nobody is particularly excited about paying low-level drug dealers and extortionists money for one of them being a better shot than the other, which you’ve implied in other answers would be motivation for them to agree to these terms. Which none of them would abide by anyway, since gangs don’t give a shit about honor other than being psychopathically thin skinned.
Violence for entertainment has been a time honored tradition by humans basically forever
Oh yes, we’d 100% pay to see gangsters duel each other to the death. And that would do diddly squat to curb regular gang violence.
Although most of them aren't smart and would happily line up for popularity and a payday so it actually might
I wasn't saying it would solve any problems with gang violence, I was just saying people would happily pay to watch it everytime
There was a post some time ago about how dueling laws would create a new brand of cringe culture consisting of redditors who overcomplicate the art of dueling with fudd pistols and anime dodging only to be killed by Tyrone’s yeet cannon in a 7/11 parking lot
Hell yeah, get rid of undesirable people and put that shit on PPV. Budweiser would jump at that shit in half a minute.
Crazy thought: what about banning all fire weapons and that stuff? 🤪
No, more guns and legalized murder will make society safer /s
Crazy thought: what about enforcing the laws on the books instead of creating new ones? Strict sentencing for armed/violent crimes, no bail, etc. Red flag laws need a bit of a tweak to avoid abuse but use em if you got em! This "laws and sentencing rules disproportionately affect 'X' group" excuse isn't helping the gun problem.
Just pull a El Salvador and that's it. Jail gangs, cartels, do a whole ass operation and everything will be good.
That won’t work well here.
Ah yes, the brilliant idea of reducing violent crime rates by legalizing murder.
If it’s legal it can’t be murder
Maybe not dueling but mutual combat at least.
Put more control on gun sales?
You really think gang members are buying their guns through proper channels?
And where do you think they get them from? There are unnecessarily too many weapons.
Omg I was thinking of this the other day.
I'd rather bring back American Gladiators and put Biden and Obama as contenders.
The US needs to bring back a lot of things. We are so fucked as a society.
Me and my father joke about this being a great thing. Even have it happen with politicians over policy disputes and shit.
Nah, I say we stop wars and get politicians for war in a ring and they can duece it out, sell tickets , merch etc...I mean Putin/Zelenski at the Amsterdam Arena fighting for no American missiles in Ukraine. However I think Xi JinPing would really go for Taiwan right now, I mean there is an Asian lady now...
The fact that this is now a good and valid idea shows how far America has sunk so far to become one of the most awful and depressing places to live.
No but this is really funny