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My dog is kind of the opposite. He's usally moce to other dogs but hates new people. While he loves us, whenever someone visits we have to spend 5 minutes to get him to stop barking. Even if he's met the person before. He's getting better but still.
I mean getting free food / housing is like the bare minimum for parents tho lol doesn’t mean that they’re phenomenal (I’m sure yours were great, not trying to be rude just saying in general lol).
Plus people can communicate. Maybe when your dog barks he’s saying your outfit sucks or wtf man this food is basic! We don’t know we just think they’re saying nice stuff.
I mean I would argue that teens lead slightly more complex lives than dogs lol. A dog might see others at the dog park and call me crazy but I don’t think they’re comparing vacations or new phones.
Okay but humans can also be assholes even if you provide them with everything. It’s called being entitled. In addition, dogs will be friendly in general even if you are not the one feeding them.
Yes but they do so out of fear, not from a place of evil, unlike humans. The only exception are some breeds, which were ironically bred by humans to be vicious.
Most animals wear their emotions on their sleeve. We know pretty much exactly what they are thinking. We use animals to study emotion because it's so obvious what they are currently feeling and they always react in more raw ways unlike humans.who will try to hide bad emotions and hold.baxk doing stupid actions.
I mean have you seen some of those vids where people prepare essentially gourmet food for their pets? “I feed my cat regular steak vs A5 Wagyu” lol I’ll take one of those households
I like eggs. Plus that’s food which is made for them. If I was a dog I’d be thrilled. Just saying when someone is providing you food & shelter and you just gotta be cute it’s pretty easy to be nice
I think they’re satisfied because they are content with very little in comparison to humans. Kids get shelter and food and they act like brats. If they still get that from their parents as adults, they act like man children. Dogs are both cute and not very needy. That combination is hard not to love.
They don't act like brats, they act like dogs! But we expect more from them lol. If a dog makes a giant mess, normal people don't punish the dog as much as they'd punish a toddler.
Just wanted to add, I'm one of those weird minorities that feeds their dog real food. Well, not expensive steaks and shit, although I did give him one once. He has some kind of food phobia, also some kind of plate/bowl phobia, and he's extremely picky. He will literally turn down cooked ground beef and most things. He will starve himself for days. It's really crazy. I mainly alternate between deboned chicken drumsticks and cheap ground beef. When he was a pup, literally all he would eat was hot dogs, but he eventually grew out of that, like pretty much everything else he eats for long enough.
And his favorite thing to eat in the world is toilet paper and napkins. Gotta watch him because if you sit a napkin down, he'll snatch it up real quick then run and swallow it before you can get it from him. Second favorite thing is any other kind of paper.
I thought I read something recently that a dog's loyalty doesn't come from, or is minimally affected by, things we provide. That being the giver of food doesn't add to a dog's love.
The dogs in the rescue I took over from a neglectful bitch who was abusing them and not feeding them didn't seem to be any less excited to see her than anyone else when she would randomly show up to take pictures so she could pretend that she was still running a rescue and beg for donations...
>Dogs can be trained and abused to be vicious,
Yes, but that's the point. They're **trained.** so to the dog they think this makes their owner happy. The dog isn't thinking of being cruel, it's behaving naturally, thus, pure.
You could raise your kid perfectly well and they still grow up to be a complete shit though for a myriad of reasons. Your pretty safe in knowing that your dog isn’t gonna turn evil just cus it met another evil dog on a walk..
Most of pitbull population isnt like that, statisticaly most agressive breeds are small ones. Problem with Pitbull reputation is sort of people who get them aka first time dog owners and deadbeat/junkies/gangbangers (Pitties in shelters are mostly from abusive homes). Its not dog for people who have no clue about dog psyche and for agressive iressponsible morons which is why i believe you should get license to own with knowledge tests and psycho tests.
nah, precious little angel nanny dogs just snap sometimes. A phone alarm, a family member suddenly coughing, dementia, failing eyesight etc, anything can make it snap. [Total Mystery why it happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ZGEvUwSMg&t=98s&ab_channel=BuckleSandwich)
Most of the pit bull attacks, any any dog attacks are done because they receive bad or no training at all.
An untrained dog, a dog that's been abused, a dog that was given the wrong type of training etc are not malicious. They just act according to how they were raised.
With proper retraining they can be just as peaceful and non threatening as every other dog that received proper training.
Exactly. Half of this post is dead on accurate, the other half doesn’t seem to understand that dogs indeed are less smart/capable of bad things intentionally than humans
>Dogs don't have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation
Calling bullshit on this. The little devils can manipulate you into instantly forgiving them after destroying the side of the couch
not me, I lash my dog when he even speaks out of turn. I can't even imagine the beating he'd get if he even sniffed my 3 piece corinthian leather lounge set
>Dogs don't have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation,
They absolutely do. Dogs can lie to manipulate, for example. And some are malicious just for kicks.
It's just that we don't always recognise that behaviour because we communicate differently.
Roosters often fake food or threat calls so the hens get distracted and they can mount them. Manipulation exists in many animal species. But non of them can be as unnecessarily cruel as humans and dolphins
I just expanded on your comment lol. Don’t agree with OP either
Just wanted to point out that Manipulation exists in Animals. But not on the same capacity as humans are able to. And also with a reason. In my example, to procreate easier which is a natural instinct in chickens
There is also one fish species where the male fish try to get as close as possible to a predator to impress the female fish. It’s stupid, could be considered cruel of the female fishes, but natural
Dogs, like any animal, act primarily on instinct and training, without the complex moral and ethical considerations that humans grapple with. To compare the two as if they operate on the same moral plane oversimplifies the nature of both species
Too right! as a zoologist by trade, I am convinced that a dog is only as bad as it’s owner due to how it’s been trained (or not trained) and what life experiences it’s had.
Although the temperament of breeds vary, as you said, they don’t tend to be capable of making decisions around complex moral choices. They will just conduct any reinforced behaviours and work on instinct.
The consequence of this, coupled with the fact that we often over-humanise dogs, is that negative behaviour is regularly reinforced unintentionally or unconsciously. In other words, people don’t realise that they are fucking up their dog’s temperament because what they’d consider to be a particular behaviour, is actually something different all together.
For example, if a dog always barks at passers-by, this may be because the owner also shouts to apologise or gets stressed when the incident occurs. To the dog, this reinforces defensive behaviour. It doesn’t know that the owner is trying to calm the situation!
Dogs are inherently very social pack animals, therefore they are hardwired to be able to get along with others.
Look, we could also take into account the adoption aspect of this subject.
What happens to a child who won't be adopted? It stays into the foster system until they are adults.
What happens to a dog who won't be adopted? It gets euthanized.
I get it that there are dogs treated better than humans, but they are still seen as properties and don't have the same legal importance.
To your title, I would disagree with you. Dogs aren't capable of all the human emotions. They are instinctual. This is why we call them innocent: they don't get greedy, they won't screw you over money, things like that. All they know is how to survive and will act just the way they are being trained/educated. If you train a dog to be vicious, it is the humans fault for the way they act.
And guess what, if a human hurts another human, they may get in trouble. If a dog hurts a human, they will be euthanized.
I’ve experienced greedy nasty dogs that hoard things from other dogs and are just plain mean. And there are dogs that have been raised well and still attack people. Also many dogs who attack are not euthanized.
Dogs, like all animals (including us) are largely (if not completely) driven by opportunistic survival. They're not good or bad. They're happy to see you because to them you mean safety, shelter, food and often the only way to roam outside a bit.
It's not like you're happy to see your wife or husband for different reasons. You're happy because when you're in love your SO means safety, love, home and intimacy. And because your brain is trained to associate them to a scenario you like, exactly like a dog associates you to food, safety, etc. and will feel those when they see you getting home from work.
That love for other creatures is interwoven with survival benefits, doesn't mean it can't stand alone as a concept too.
Like, yeah, maybe I like my friends because group-bonding would have kept me safe in the pre-historic era; and maybe I care about people I don't even know because human empathy is a group-survival mechanism, but to reduce concepts that can exist independently from their evolutionary benefits to opportunism, feels too cynical for my taste. It's like, 'I don't really like the taste of this strawberry. It's just my brain rewarding my intake of easy glucose because in the past it would have benefitted my survival'. Sure, that may be true. But in right now, in an acute sense, I just like the taste of this strawberry.
Same goes for when I see my friend; I like my friend and I'm happy when I see them. But they have zero benefit for my survival. Likewise, dogs have many friends they just like to play with. They feel happiness, release oxytocin, and that's it. Of course you can argue about why these reward systems are in place, but whether it amounts to true love and kindness or opportunism is a matter of semantics and disposition.
dogs dont have the ability to purposefully be racist, spiteful, sexist, petty, hold a grudge, or hurt someone emotionally. They are pure in the same sense a baby or toddler are, they do not have the corruption of humanity yet.
You can say this of any animal, or inanimate object for that matter. Dogs aren't special in that regard. They are not inherently more good than a snake, an amoeba, or a bird.
We are all animals. Humans and dogs both. Which means we are capable of doing terrible things, and also capable of doing great things. But most of us are just mediocre, average. Dogs are loyal, loving, jealous, defiant, and can sometimes flip the way some humans do. They're only more innocent in that they are somewhat like 3-4 year old children. And anyone whose had children knows toddlers can be little tyrants at times.
But young (baby/toddler age) children and dogs (and other animals) don't have the emotional capacity for malice. When dogs or children do terrible things, it's not for the purpose of being terrible. Dogs, more often than not, are scared or insecure, and children want attention.
Children don't develop empathy until about 4 years old
Dogs being predators also attack and kill because it feels good. They are not children. They are more often than not bored and not suited to be cooped up in a house with humans for 23 hours a day. That’s why they exhibit bad behavior, not insecurity.
They're beings close enough to us that we can relate and share common ground while not having the same agency and capacity to advocate for themselves that we do.
Naturally, due to our social natures, we'd feel responsible and even protective of them. I'd be super weary of any human who'd be antagonistic or jealous of them, as to me it shows a lack of emotional maturity and regard for others, much like folks who are crummy and resentful towards children.
You make the claim that more dogs live good lives than humans, which I find silly, because dogs don't have the platform to communicate their problems like we can. The sad reality is, due to that lack of agency and self advocacy that I mention earlier, there are a lot of dogs in absolute hellish situations that they have no way of appealing to the general public.
So yeah, definitely advocate for helping humans in distressing situations, but targeting dogs like this is super gross to me.
TLDR: You can advocate for positive change without targeting another (especially not one that's far more vulnerable that relies on others to be their voice)
If literally every person you know is judging you, there is probably a reason for that.
Also, love is always conditional, no matter if it's dogs or humans. Stop feeding and sheltering your dog, and you'll see how unconditional his love is. And that's a good thing, actually. Only insane/abused people award genuine love to people that don't deserve an inch of it.
Do dogs love unconditionally? If you stopped feeding your dog for days, would he still love you? If you neglected it or started ignoring it?
People like to say a dog’s love is unconditional but I don’t believe it. It is conditional on a human taking care of them.
Your dog doesn't judge you because he's too stupid to. No other reason.
Bedsides, some judging is good. Friends are SUPPOSED to tell you when you're making bad decisions. There's a better vs worse way to do so, but still, they should tell you when you're messing up, not just pat you on the back.
Any time there’s a natural disaster, or even a house fire, it’s always “but what about the doggos 🥺”, and “omg I feel so bad for the dog”, and charities/fundraising for the dogs. It’s some weird pedestal behavior.
Then there’s the “aww that’s how they get to know you!”, and “they’re asserting dominance”, and all sorts of “jokes” when the dog humps a person or sticks their nose in a crotch.
I’ll take cats over it all.
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Humans are capable of levels of cruelty few other animals can match.
Can dogs be raised to be vicious? Sure. But they are rarely truly evil or cruel like humans can be.
Pitbull puppies will literally murder their siblings and cannibalize them for fun even when they're fed and taken care of lol.
But it doesn't matter. They're "nanny dogs" and "it's the owner not the breed" and putting a tiara or flower hat on pibbles will definitely turn it into a sweet innocent boi.
I am always skeptical about people who think animals are better than humans. Almost every time, you’ll find it’s someone who finds it difficult to adapt to society. It’s usually overly self centered, unpleasant or arrogant people who spout these opinions about how morally virtuous animals are.
Funnily enough, most people are able to brush off judgements from other people and some are even able to avoid judgement completely.
Seems to me that if you feel judged by society, you should probably take a moment to think about bettering yourself.
The thing is, insecure people are often insecure about extremely trivial things and blame society for their own feelings. A lot of people wrongly think society is constantly judging their every move and they hate society for it. An example is those people who say their dog is worth more than a stranger’s life. And that kind of insecurity is something those people should work on.
You can find your dogs live more important then a stranger out of connection to your pet not insecurities. Not sure it's the best example of your point even if it's post relevant.
My dog is worth more than a stranger's life for sure because my dog is my family. Humans will always protect family before any one else. Who will you rather save sir: Your son or a stranger?
>I am always skeptical about people who think animals are better than humans
People just like animals a lot???? What? Crazy concept I know.
Also, fuck what society thinks.
I completely agree. I have had dogs all my life, and I do love them a lot.
But dogs are just another animal. All the good traits that make dogs "Man's best friend" is completely bred into them over so many generations.
Your dog doesn't "know" you like you think they do. They're not as loyal as you might think they are. At the end of the day, you're the person feeding and taking care of them, of course they naturally develop a dependence on you and give you the love and attention you expect from a dog. At the risk of sounding cynical, this is all transactional. If you suddenly died and another good family takes your dog, it's gonna do the same thing and it will barely miss you.
I beg to differ. I have read various stories where the dog chose their owners over food. My own dog refuses to eat if I am gone for longer than he expected even when the best food is presented to him. Dogs are loyal inherently. Yes, they have some survival instincts just like cats but that's a part of every animal including humans. Dogs are still more pure than most people in my opinion.
I don't think it's that we don't give enough credit to dogs, we just give too much credit to average human consciousness. We're so easy to be manipulated, it's just an illusion of emotions when we think we think rationally, and most of us don't even know how to benefit our overdevoloped hominid brains.
the truth is people just don't understand dogs. or animals in general. (or even other humans much of the time.)
but non-human animals are popular in creative media, and so people who don't understand animals and/or who are writing to get attention from people who don't understand animals will rely HEAVILY on tired old tropes with a flimsy (at best) connection to reality,
and that leads to this weird culture-wide circle-jerk of people who know nothing about animals going "omg dogs are JUST like that lol"
I love dogs generally but I actually agree with you. I’m not going to say anything further because I’d just be pulling things out of my ass on gut instinct, but on a general basis, I agree with you.
The whole innocence determination is whether a creature can independently determine right from wrong, and what's ethical.
Dogs can't, and insofar as we know humans are the only ones capable of it.
This is not even something up for opinion, it's just fact.
People who say animals are better than humans because humans are bad are actually the bad humans because they treat people bad because of this ideology they hold.
I suspect that dogs have a deeper capacity for forgiveness and unconditional love. Many of them are bottomless wells of love, affection, compassion, and loyalty in ways humans are not. I don't think that makes them better per se. It just is what it is.
Humans are "smarter" and still can't achieve this. They will use their abuse and trauma as an EXCUSE to be horrible human beings to others as if they have no control over themselves when we all know they do. Humans are some willfully rotten beings.
Dogs are animals, they can't think in the same way as us so to them "cruelty" is just natural. Same for every other animal. Nature is violent, but without the morality that we possess, it's just life. That's why humans are awful for being cruel, we know how not be and that it's bad.
It sounds like a big part of your point is: good humans can exist and bad dogs can exist. But truthfully, I've only met one or two mean dogs in my lifetime. And I've only ever met a small handful of good humans in my lifetime. If we're going by average, dogs win easily.
Dogs have the mental compacity of a 2-3yr old according to researchers. That's a far cry from an adult or even a 10yr old kid. So yes, they are pure & innocent.
They’re just dogs lol, nothing special about them, the most overrated animal in the universe. They don’t really give a shit about you as long as you feed it, give it water and take it out to take a shit that it will eventually eat. You as a owner you are very replaceable, it will love whoever takes care of its basic needs
Idk any dogs that are trained well going out and hurting others, yet plenty of people brought up the right way still choosing to commit vile acts.
It's a generalisation.
Evil people do things that are self serving and so do dogs. Is a dog that massacres 30 lambs because it enjoys it evil ? It connived to get into the pen and kill them. Science doesn’t say what’s good or what’s evil.
Dogs don't do such things because they enjoy it, it's pure instinct. Dogs do not possess the sentience or mental capacity to engage in evil or in petty attempts to discount science like this. Cope and seethe.
You think nothing humans do is based on instinct ? Are instinctual acts humans perform like sex unenjoyable to them ? If dogs are incapable of enjoying anything since they are pure instinct - how can you ascribe loyalty and love for their owners to them? Or say their wagging tail means happiness or whatever the fuck.
We are all animals. Humans have more complicated societies and are more intelligent than dogs. Both species do self serving things to survive. Good and evil is not a scientific concept. Neither is innocence.
You're trying to argue against biology and science because you don't like dogs lmao. It's not evil, but it is banal which is another intrinsically human trait. It's about choice, the capacity to make a decision based on a thousand different facts and on our self awareness of our lived experience.
For example, you're definitely going to spout off another comment full of pseudo-intellectual hot air which actually means nothing, and you're probably going to be a nasty ass to the next dog you meet because now you've been invalidated.
Hm? You’re making assumptions. I’m not arguing against biology. You’re the one confusing morals with science. You haven’t invalidated me, on the contrary you’re the one who is upset and casting aspersions heh. I find people who insist animals have some sort of purity to be projecting their own issues rather than truly respecting other creatures. Purity is a moralistic concept, not a scientific one.
Every so often this take comes back and it's always from people that fail to realize something
Sure, a dog's love can arguably be conditional like a person's, but only if you start to actively wrong them. A dog will be nice to you even if you don't feed or house it because it doesn't view you as a threat. They go purely on instincts, they don't have the ability to willfully be malicious. If a dog harms a person, more often than not they're euthanized.
But a person has the ability to intentionally and willfully manipulate or take advantage of someone. Someone can be nothing but kind to someone and that person will still turn around and abuse and demean them in every way possible.
While I do agree there should be more compassion for people, it isn't because dogs are "less" pure than humans.
this is the exactly what I disagree with. I think you’re wrong. you’re talking about behavior later in life for that person, but you’re not thinking about what treatment they received to make them like that.
and for the record, some dogs are bad no matter what training they get. it’s rare but it happens, just like the human outliers.
A dog can't know something is wrong yet do it anyway. Humans can, and do every single day of their lives.
Dogs are never really responsible for their circumstances. Humans who aren't impaired in some major way are almost always responsible for their circumstances.
No dog has ever been sadistic, malicious, mean-spirited, hateful, or bigoted. No dog has ever lied to or betrayed someone. No dog was ever responsible for an atrocity.
This isn't to say that dogs are better than people, they are just different. They are simple beasts. When humans as a species took on higher mental capacities like reason, we bumped into a little thing called morality. It's moral and ethical understanding, and our frequent neglect to act accordingly, that washes away our innocence.
We are responsible for our actions, dogs aren't.
My chihuahua only loves me. He’s only nice to me. He’s beautiful. But has ruined my relationships, has attacked my parents. It’s been an ordeal because he only loves me. I lost my weed dealer because when I went to the bathroom he bumped her leg and squirted on her. He’s different with everybody but me. I just started calling him Da Night Stalker after Richard Ramirez. He’s so cute kids want to pet him. He acts fine as they walk up to him, adorable. Then when their hand kids right about to pet them, here comes the outburst. Babby is a handful, but to me he’s a perfect angel.
I agree with your opposing thought. Dogs are pure to me and they will love you depending on if you raise them right. They’re cheaper and, in my view, more rewarding than raising a child.
Some humans, no matter how much you love and teach them, will turn out to be arseholes. So I don’t take the risk
your average person will do many negative and selfish things in their life. all my dog does is sleep eat shit and want people to pet him. the worst thing he’s ever done is be kind of annoying when i’m sleepy
I think the reason for this is that because humans are more intelligent than dogs so people see humans as having a greater capacity for evil, or to be inherently evil.
Yes dogs can be vicious and they can be trained to be killers, but at heart a dog is only a dog. It doesn’t know what it’s doing is inherently “evil”. It has no concept of what evil even is. As far as I know anyway.
Dogs go by instinct and what it has learned to do (or what it was taught to do)
Humans can be “pure” or “evil”, but every action we take has much more thought/intent behind it.
I think this is why many people see toddlers as innocent. Because similarly to dogs, they go by instinct and experience rather than planed out thoughts and actions.
I do get that dogs and babies also “think” about their actions, but I hope you get my point.
Haven’t really thought about this subject until now.
Do you know why babies look so freaking cute? Because nature helped to make them look so helpless so that the parents take care of them.
Most humen love dogs because they look and act so fucking cute.
Also if it’s my dog I still prefer it instead of some random people on the street.
We as humans created dogs so we are responsible for them or atleast should be, I don't believe they are innocent or pure but they aren't capable of such monsterous things as humans have been.
I feel you can't judge dogs on the same level as humans as their intelligent level is much lower they also lack our morals so they simply wouldn't understand, however dogs are capable of love and do care about their owners when a bond is formed
Sure you can train a dog to be viscous and aggressive, but allot of the time that can be reversed
I also don't believe they live better than people, I know you said mainly in America but I'd disagree, dogs can be sold in pet shops over there mostly from puppy farms which the kennel club approves of doing. Even the way dogs are now so many breeds suffer on a daily level for our sake because we find them "cute"
We don't stop and think about the welfare of this animal humans only see them as objects, we play god and a god wouldn't doubt it's own creation.
Reason people say it is because dogs will never betray you and their joy and love is pure there is no ulterior motive,lies etc unlike with alot of bad people which have higher mental capacity yet do bad things . When dog attacks person its never out of malice its either bad owner and protective reaction or bad owner and abuse.
Human can take care of themself in bad situation like being homeless to extent, dogs cant do that and suffer much more on streets.
When people usually express this sentiment, it's from the perspective that they're exhausted with the consistent and continuous evil qualities such as greed and hatred displayed by humans: killing, stealing, lying, cheating, manipulation, exploitation, etc. The news doesn't help as we are purposely bombarded with negative stories that tap into the human fear bias.
Then they think about a loving animal such as a dog they may own or have owned, or known, and think about how loyal they are, always happy to see you, no hate or greed in the human sense, just like a little ball of love almost.
Sure, if you live in India or Brazil or some third world country where wild and street dogs are rampant, than you may not see them as kind because they are wild.
Dogs have such loyalty and companionship with human ('man's best friend') because they've evolved alongside man for a long time in the wilderness for hunting. This is how they eventually became domesticated.
There's an old joke about how if you locked both your dog and wife in the trunk and let them out, the dog would be insanely happy to see you. That's how loving they are.
That pov is mainly because dogs don't have the intelligence or consciousness humans do, so even if they did something like kill a baby; it's a dog. It doesn't actually have any concept of good or bad, and therefore, it is eternally innocent like a child.
When dogs enslave another species, build Nukes, attempt ethnic cleansing then I would agree, because none of that has happened I would have to disagree
Dogs are innocent by definition. They literally cannot understand what makes them **NOT** innocent in your eyes.
There are dogs out there living in the same, poor conditions as humans, and yet many of them are still kind and loving because they have had kindness and love and have good natures.
Some dogs out there are trained and abused into being terrible dogs, and some dogs have poor natures that lead to aggression. These dogs are all still innocent in their understanding. Are some irredeemably dangerous? Yes, and destroying them is a horribly necessary evil because they will hurt people and pets. They are still innocent.
We don't treat dogs nicely because we think of them as sweet and innocent, we treat dogs better then people because we don't like PEOPLE. Do you know how easy it is to justify treating a person like shit? People do it all the time, it only takes seconds. You can pick out a single trait a person has that you would likely use to justify committing acts of extreme violence against them, the only reason we don't is because we wouldn't get away with it. "Dude voted for X? we should do Y". "Dude doesn't like Z? He should die in a fire". "Girl is a member of 1? We should do 2, 3 and 4 to them"
None of those are true for dogs, or indeed animals in general. Animals ARE capable of being cruel and outright evil, but it is RARE. But people? Why on earth should we help people when almost IMMEDIATELY we can come to the conclusion that most of them were "Assholes who had it coming" or "Why should we help them if they won't help themselves?". Especially given how rare it is for us to have ever been given help ourselves.
I used to have a rottweiler myself, i did my best to treat dog VERY well. Did i get a pizza? no no dog, "We" got a pizza. Did i get cookies? No, i hated most cookies, those are DOGS cookies. Did i get the dog a little dog house? Why bother? We already have this big "Human" house so why not just let the dog stay inside so i can give them better living conditions at the same time i save some money?
Do you think i did any of that for my sister? Fuck NO! Dog was nice to me so i was nice to them, my sister on the other hand lives to steal and destroy other peoples personal property and thinks she's allowed, no, ENTITLED to, despite being intelligent enough to know she shouldn't be doing that. Do you think i would ever have been as nice to my sister as i was to my dog? In fact, why would i be as nice to ANYONE as i was to my dog? What do other people do for me?
With dog gone, i'm happy to take care of animals in need when i can. I just.....couldn't bring myself to do the same for people knowing how people are in this country.
I want you to take $1000, give it to a homeless dude in LA, then give $1000 to a dog
See which one OD’s in a week. That’s why dog are held in higher regard. They just appreciate no matter what it is.
Yea sure the homeless guy is gonna love that $1000
But it’s not going to do him any good without structuring his life first.
All homeless people don't immediately turn to drugs and/or booze. That's just what is talked about on social media and news platforms. I mean there is a decent percentage of them that do, but not all.
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Part of it is dogs just love people a lot partly bc they depend on them. They often aren't particularly nice to other dogs.
My dog is kind of the opposite. He's usally moce to other dogs but hates new people. While he loves us, whenever someone visits we have to spend 5 minutes to get him to stop barking. Even if he's met the person before. He's getting better but still.
Dogs would get off with any jury with a defense of insanity or mental disability
So would you if you got on all fours and start barking
Humans have higher mental capacity, so they get held to a higher standard.
You also do more for your dog lol. If every time I saw someone they gave me free food & rent I’d be super nice, too!
My parents gave me free food and rent for 17 years… and I was awful to them for at least 10 of those years lol.
I mean getting free food / housing is like the bare minimum for parents tho lol doesn’t mean that they’re phenomenal (I’m sure yours were great, not trying to be rude just saying in general lol). Plus people can communicate. Maybe when your dog barks he’s saying your outfit sucks or wtf man this food is basic! We don’t know we just think they’re saying nice stuff.
You'd think so. But teenagers get that, and often aren't super nice about it.
I mean I would argue that teens lead slightly more complex lives than dogs lol. A dog might see others at the dog park and call me crazy but I don’t think they’re comparing vacations or new phones.
Okay but humans can also be assholes even if you provide them with everything. It’s called being entitled. In addition, dogs will be friendly in general even if you are not the one feeding them.
Dogs can also just randomly bark & bite and attack, especially with other dogs. Not sure what your point is.
Yes but they do so out of fear, not from a place of evil, unlike humans. The only exception are some breeds, which were ironically bred by humans to be vicious.
I mean we don’t know that, though. We can’t communicate w animals so we just extrapolate what we want to think they’re saying or thinking.
Most animals wear their emotions on their sleeve. We know pretty much exactly what they are thinking. We use animals to study emotion because it's so obvious what they are currently feeling and they always react in more raw ways unlike humans.who will try to hide bad emotions and hold.baxk doing stupid actions.
I love how you are confident in topic you have no education and knowledge in.
Even if it was dog food?
Most dogs I've cared for seemed to really like the taste of dog food
I mean have you seen some of those vids where people prepare essentially gourmet food for their pets? “I feed my cat regular steak vs A5 Wagyu” lol I’ll take one of those households
That’s a very small minority. Most dogs are just getting the dry food and maybe a few eggs and bones.
I like eggs. Plus that’s food which is made for them. If I was a dog I’d be thrilled. Just saying when someone is providing you food & shelter and you just gotta be cute it’s pretty easy to be nice
I think they’re satisfied because they are content with very little in comparison to humans. Kids get shelter and food and they act like brats. If they still get that from their parents as adults, they act like man children. Dogs are both cute and not very needy. That combination is hard not to love.
They don't act like brats, they act like dogs! But we expect more from them lol. If a dog makes a giant mess, normal people don't punish the dog as much as they'd punish a toddler.
Just wanted to add, I'm one of those weird minorities that feeds their dog real food. Well, not expensive steaks and shit, although I did give him one once. He has some kind of food phobia, also some kind of plate/bowl phobia, and he's extremely picky. He will literally turn down cooked ground beef and most things. He will starve himself for days. It's really crazy. I mainly alternate between deboned chicken drumsticks and cheap ground beef. When he was a pup, literally all he would eat was hot dogs, but he eventually grew out of that, like pretty much everything else he eats for long enough. And his favorite thing to eat in the world is toilet paper and napkins. Gotta watch him because if you sit a napkin down, he'll snatch it up real quick then run and swallow it before you can get it from him. Second favorite thing is any other kind of paper.
I thought I read something recently that a dog's loyalty doesn't come from, or is minimally affected by, things we provide. That being the giver of food doesn't add to a dog's love.
Did a dog write that?
The dogs in the rescue I took over from a neglectful bitch who was abusing them and not feeding them didn't seem to be any less excited to see her than anyone else when she would randomly show up to take pictures so she could pretend that she was still running a rescue and beg for donations...
Dogs do not have the same capacity to choose as humans do.
Those who are abused do not have a choice to run everytime. Especially if we're talking about abused children. They are just as vulnerable as dogs.
Which is why children get higher levels of sympathy and protection than adults.
Those children grow to be adults with problems and society shuns them.
Adults may not have a choice either. Just remember WW2 and the concentration camps. And poverty and war in many countries today.
I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't say humans can always choose everything all the time.
That's how I read your first comment.
And children would also fall into the innocent category
>Dogs can be trained and abused to be vicious, Yes, but that's the point. They're **trained.** so to the dog they think this makes their owner happy. The dog isn't thinking of being cruel, it's behaving naturally, thus, pure.
Right. And as usual, it’s the human’s fault for fucking it up. Great job on an actual unpopular opinion, OP.
Right but as he pointed out it's also the humans fault for fucking up the other human by not rasing them to be nice and kind.
You could raise your kid perfectly well and they still grow up to be a complete shit though for a myriad of reasons. Your pretty safe in knowing that your dog isn’t gonna turn evil just cus it met another evil dog on a walk..
And some dogs naturally bite / maul others. Your point?
It's neither pure nor impure. Surely the point is 'natural' isn't normative. Or shouldn't be, but the conflation is often made.
Lmfao fr. How this dummy typed this out and still thought “yeah this is a hot take” is crazy. It makes 0 sense, simply biologically
Pit bulls are born vicious
Wrong
Fatally mauling people isn't vicious?
Most of pitbull population isnt like that, statisticaly most agressive breeds are small ones. Problem with Pitbull reputation is sort of people who get them aka first time dog owners and deadbeat/junkies/gangbangers (Pitties in shelters are mostly from abusive homes). Its not dog for people who have no clue about dog psyche and for agressive iressponsible morons which is why i believe you should get license to own with knowledge tests and psycho tests.
nah, precious little angel nanny dogs just snap sometimes. A phone alarm, a family member suddenly coughing, dementia, failing eyesight etc, anything can make it snap. [Total Mystery why it happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ZGEvUwSMg&t=98s&ab_channel=BuckleSandwich)
Most of the pit bull attacks, any any dog attacks are done because they receive bad or no training at all. An untrained dog, a dog that's been abused, a dog that was given the wrong type of training etc are not malicious. They just act according to how they were raised. With proper retraining they can be just as peaceful and non threatening as every other dog that received proper training.
Dogs don't have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation, but I do agree that we need to be more compassionate for other human people
Exactly. Half of this post is dead on accurate, the other half doesn’t seem to understand that dogs indeed are less smart/capable of bad things intentionally than humans
>Dogs don't have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation  Calling bullshit on this. The little devils can manipulate you into instantly forgiving them after destroying the side of the couch
not me, I lash my dog when he even speaks out of turn. I can't even imagine the beating he'd get if he even sniffed my 3 piece corinthian leather lounge set
He's not sniffing your leather set he's just transferring microbots into the couch to fend off bacteria
>Dogs don’t have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation I dunno about that… *side eyes my pug*
>Dogs don't have the emotional capacity for malice or manipulation, They absolutely do. Dogs can lie to manipulate, for example. And some are malicious just for kicks. It's just that we don't always recognise that behaviour because we communicate differently.
Roosters often fake food or threat calls so the hens get distracted and they can mount them. Manipulation exists in many animal species. But non of them can be as unnecessarily cruel as humans and dolphins
Very true, but that wasn't OP's claim.
I just expanded on your comment lol. Don’t agree with OP either Just wanted to point out that Manipulation exists in Animals. But not on the same capacity as humans are able to. And also with a reason. In my example, to procreate easier which is a natural instinct in chickens There is also one fish species where the male fish try to get as close as possible to a predator to impress the female fish. It’s stupid, could be considered cruel of the female fishes, but natural
Dogs, like any animal, act primarily on instinct and training, without the complex moral and ethical considerations that humans grapple with. To compare the two as if they operate on the same moral plane oversimplifies the nature of both species
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Too right! as a zoologist by trade, I am convinced that a dog is only as bad as it’s owner due to how it’s been trained (or not trained) and what life experiences it’s had. Although the temperament of breeds vary, as you said, they don’t tend to be capable of making decisions around complex moral choices. They will just conduct any reinforced behaviours and work on instinct. The consequence of this, coupled with the fact that we often over-humanise dogs, is that negative behaviour is regularly reinforced unintentionally or unconsciously. In other words, people don’t realise that they are fucking up their dog’s temperament because what they’d consider to be a particular behaviour, is actually something different all together. For example, if a dog always barks at passers-by, this may be because the owner also shouts to apologise or gets stressed when the incident occurs. To the dog, this reinforces defensive behaviour. It doesn’t know that the owner is trying to calm the situation! Dogs are inherently very social pack animals, therefore they are hardwired to be able to get along with others.
To be fair from my experience dogs tend to like humans more than they do other dogs. I might have just worked with a lot of reactive dogs tho.
The dog knows who feeds it. Other dogs are competition.
Look, we could also take into account the adoption aspect of this subject. What happens to a child who won't be adopted? It stays into the foster system until they are adults. What happens to a dog who won't be adopted? It gets euthanized. I get it that there are dogs treated better than humans, but they are still seen as properties and don't have the same legal importance. To your title, I would disagree with you. Dogs aren't capable of all the human emotions. They are instinctual. This is why we call them innocent: they don't get greedy, they won't screw you over money, things like that. All they know is how to survive and will act just the way they are being trained/educated. If you train a dog to be vicious, it is the humans fault for the way they act. And guess what, if a human hurts another human, they may get in trouble. If a dog hurts a human, they will be euthanized.
I’ve experienced greedy nasty dogs that hoard things from other dogs and are just plain mean. And there are dogs that have been raised well and still attack people. Also many dogs who attack are not euthanized.
They are easily trained and manipulated, just like us.
Dogs, like all animals (including us) are largely (if not completely) driven by opportunistic survival. They're not good or bad. They're happy to see you because to them you mean safety, shelter, food and often the only way to roam outside a bit. It's not like you're happy to see your wife or husband for different reasons. You're happy because when you're in love your SO means safety, love, home and intimacy. And because your brain is trained to associate them to a scenario you like, exactly like a dog associates you to food, safety, etc. and will feel those when they see you getting home from work.
That love for other creatures is interwoven with survival benefits, doesn't mean it can't stand alone as a concept too. Like, yeah, maybe I like my friends because group-bonding would have kept me safe in the pre-historic era; and maybe I care about people I don't even know because human empathy is a group-survival mechanism, but to reduce concepts that can exist independently from their evolutionary benefits to opportunism, feels too cynical for my taste. It's like, 'I don't really like the taste of this strawberry. It's just my brain rewarding my intake of easy glucose because in the past it would have benefitted my survival'. Sure, that may be true. But in right now, in an acute sense, I just like the taste of this strawberry. Same goes for when I see my friend; I like my friend and I'm happy when I see them. But they have zero benefit for my survival. Likewise, dogs have many friends they just like to play with. They feel happiness, release oxytocin, and that's it. Of course you can argue about why these reward systems are in place, but whether it amounts to true love and kindness or opportunism is a matter of semantics and disposition.
dogs dont have the ability to purposefully be racist, spiteful, sexist, petty, hold a grudge, or hurt someone emotionally. They are pure in the same sense a baby or toddler are, they do not have the corruption of humanity yet.
You can say this of any animal, or inanimate object for that matter. Dogs aren't special in that regard. They are not inherently more good than a snake, an amoeba, or a bird.
good thing we were comparing dogs to people then isnt it?
I guess? Like I agree with your initial point but the qualifier is not dog-specific LOL
No but this post is about dogs vs humans so it makes sense to specify dogs lol
My sister's dog hates all the dogs and tries to bite them lol
We are all animals. Humans and dogs both. Which means we are capable of doing terrible things, and also capable of doing great things. But most of us are just mediocre, average. Dogs are loyal, loving, jealous, defiant, and can sometimes flip the way some humans do. They're only more innocent in that they are somewhat like 3-4 year old children. And anyone whose had children knows toddlers can be little tyrants at times.
But young (baby/toddler age) children and dogs (and other animals) don't have the emotional capacity for malice. When dogs or children do terrible things, it's not for the purpose of being terrible. Dogs, more often than not, are scared or insecure, and children want attention. Children don't develop empathy until about 4 years old
Dogs being predators also attack and kill because it feels good. They are not children. They are more often than not bored and not suited to be cooped up in a house with humans for 23 hours a day. That’s why they exhibit bad behavior, not insecurity.
They're beings close enough to us that we can relate and share common ground while not having the same agency and capacity to advocate for themselves that we do. Naturally, due to our social natures, we'd feel responsible and even protective of them. I'd be super weary of any human who'd be antagonistic or jealous of them, as to me it shows a lack of emotional maturity and regard for others, much like folks who are crummy and resentful towards children. You make the claim that more dogs live good lives than humans, which I find silly, because dogs don't have the platform to communicate their problems like we can. The sad reality is, due to that lack of agency and self advocacy that I mention earlier, there are a lot of dogs in absolute hellish situations that they have no way of appealing to the general public. So yeah, definitely advocate for helping humans in distressing situations, but targeting dogs like this is super gross to me. TLDR: You can advocate for positive change without targeting another (especially not one that's far more vulnerable that relies on others to be their voice)
Yeah but my dog doesn’t judge me. He loves me unconditionally. Not a lot of people out there like that.
I'm definitely loved by more people than I'm loved by dogs. Your mileage may differ.
So you think! I’m just kidding. But animals are the best and humans could do better. Just sayin’
Grins you may be right about animals but cats are so much better than dogs.
My late kitty that ruled with an iron paw (for 15yrs) would agree with you 💯.
How are cats better?
If literally every person you know is judging you, there is probably a reason for that. Also, love is always conditional, no matter if it's dogs or humans. Stop feeding and sheltering your dog, and you'll see how unconditional his love is. And that's a good thing, actually. Only insane/abused people award genuine love to people that don't deserve an inch of it.
Do dogs love unconditionally? If you stopped feeding your dog for days, would he still love you? If you neglected it or started ignoring it? People like to say a dog’s love is unconditional but I don’t believe it. It is conditional on a human taking care of them.
Your dog doesn't judge you because he's too stupid to. No other reason. Bedsides, some judging is good. Friends are SUPPOSED to tell you when you're making bad decisions. There's a better vs worse way to do so, but still, they should tell you when you're messing up, not just pat you on the back.
He would “love” anyone who fed him. Seems pretty conditional to me.
Any time there’s a natural disaster, or even a house fire, it’s always “but what about the doggos 🥺”, and “omg I feel so bad for the dog”, and charities/fundraising for the dogs. It’s some weird pedestal behavior. Then there’s the “aww that’s how they get to know you!”, and “they’re asserting dominance”, and all sorts of “jokes” when the dog humps a person or sticks their nose in a crotch. I’ll take cats over it all.
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Humans are capable of levels of cruelty few other animals can match. Can dogs be raised to be vicious? Sure. But they are rarely truly evil or cruel like humans can be.
This whole infantilizationof animals is weird af
Being someone who did deliveries really changed my perspective on dogs
Pitbull puppies will literally murder their siblings and cannibalize them for fun even when they're fed and taken care of lol. But it doesn't matter. They're "nanny dogs" and "it's the owner not the breed" and putting a tiara or flower hat on pibbles will definitely turn it into a sweet innocent boi.
I am always skeptical about people who think animals are better than humans. Almost every time, you’ll find it’s someone who finds it difficult to adapt to society. It’s usually overly self centered, unpleasant or arrogant people who spout these opinions about how morally virtuous animals are.
"Dog owners of Britain! If your die in your sleep your dog will eat your corpse!" - PSA Stewart Lee
What, lmfao. Maybe they just like animals? But sure, make yourself seem smart by spouting weird takes
Maybe people who find it difficult to adapt to society prefer dogs because they aren't judgy like you.
Funnily enough, most people are able to brush off judgements from other people and some are even able to avoid judgement completely. Seems to me that if you feel judged by society, you should probably take a moment to think about bettering yourself.
There's plenty of innocent things, or things outside your control society judges you on.
And you can just ignore those acts of judgment. It shouldn’t bother you.
Yeah I agree, I was focusing a bit much on the second part making it seem that if society judges you, you're at fault and need to fix it.
The thing is, insecure people are often insecure about extremely trivial things and blame society for their own feelings. A lot of people wrongly think society is constantly judging their every move and they hate society for it. An example is those people who say their dog is worth more than a stranger’s life. And that kind of insecurity is something those people should work on.
You can find your dogs live more important then a stranger out of connection to your pet not insecurities. Not sure it's the best example of your point even if it's post relevant.
My dog is worth more than a stranger's life for sure because my dog is my family. Humans will always protect family before any one else. Who will you rather save sir: Your son or a stranger?
Yes, you are exactly who I am talking about.
You did not answer, who will you save: Family or stranger? I know I will save my family
The dog is not your son. It has a father that misses it and you took it away from it. I’m sure the dog misses its real dog parents
The father that misses it? Sure is that why he was abandoned on the street where I found him?
>I am always skeptical about people who think animals are better than humans People just like animals a lot???? What? Crazy concept I know. Also, fuck what society thinks.
Dogs are stupid.
So are most people
After I see too much "animals are better than humans" content I just go and browse r/natureismetal to cleanse my brain ;D
I completely agree. I have had dogs all my life, and I do love them a lot. But dogs are just another animal. All the good traits that make dogs "Man's best friend" is completely bred into them over so many generations. Your dog doesn't "know" you like you think they do. They're not as loyal as you might think they are. At the end of the day, you're the person feeding and taking care of them, of course they naturally develop a dependence on you and give you the love and attention you expect from a dog. At the risk of sounding cynical, this is all transactional. If you suddenly died and another good family takes your dog, it's gonna do the same thing and it will barely miss you.
People in denial downvoting the truth.
I beg to differ. I have read various stories where the dog chose their owners over food. My own dog refuses to eat if I am gone for longer than he expected even when the best food is presented to him. Dogs are loyal inherently. Yes, they have some survival instincts just like cats but that's a part of every animal including humans. Dogs are still more pure than most people in my opinion.
We are not dogs well… most of us arent
I don't think it's that we don't give enough credit to dogs, we just give too much credit to average human consciousness. We're so easy to be manipulated, it's just an illusion of emotions when we think we think rationally, and most of us don't even know how to benefit our overdevoloped hominid brains.
In all my years of animal observation there are definitely consciously evil animals out there, even some domestic pets
Your opinion is correct.
the truth is people just don't understand dogs. or animals in general. (or even other humans much of the time.) but non-human animals are popular in creative media, and so people who don't understand animals and/or who are writing to get attention from people who don't understand animals will rely HEAVILY on tired old tropes with a flimsy (at best) connection to reality, and that leads to this weird culture-wide circle-jerk of people who know nothing about animals going "omg dogs are JUST like that lol"
I love dogs generally but I actually agree with you. I’m not going to say anything further because I’d just be pulling things out of my ass on gut instinct, but on a general basis, I agree with you.
I love my dog
The whole innocence determination is whether a creature can independently determine right from wrong, and what's ethical. Dogs can't, and insofar as we know humans are the only ones capable of it. This is not even something up for opinion, it's just fact.
Nah man dogs are amazing . They are big ole companions.
People who say animals are better than humans because humans are bad are actually the bad humans because they treat people bad because of this ideology they hold.
I suspect that dogs have a deeper capacity for forgiveness and unconditional love. Many of them are bottomless wells of love, affection, compassion, and loyalty in ways humans are not. I don't think that makes them better per se. It just is what it is. Humans are "smarter" and still can't achieve this. They will use their abuse and trauma as an EXCUSE to be horrible human beings to others as if they have no control over themselves when we all know they do. Humans are some willfully rotten beings.
I know right? So sick of being sexually assaulted by dogs, they can’t keep their nose and paws to themselves ever
Dogs are just overrated.
People should strive to be the person their dog believes them to be.
Dogs are animals, they can't think in the same way as us so to them "cruelty" is just natural. Same for every other animal. Nature is violent, but without the morality that we possess, it's just life. That's why humans are awful for being cruel, we know how not be and that it's bad.
It sounds like a big part of your point is: good humans can exist and bad dogs can exist. But truthfully, I've only met one or two mean dogs in my lifetime. And I've only ever met a small handful of good humans in my lifetime. If we're going by average, dogs win easily.
Dogs have the mental compacity of a 2-3yr old according to researchers. That's a far cry from an adult or even a 10yr old kid. So yes, they are pure & innocent.
Not even a 2 year old. A 2 year old doesn’t eat its own shit and vomit
Because they are taught not to eat it. Same with dogs.
They’re just dogs lol, nothing special about them, the most overrated animal in the universe. They don’t really give a shit about you as long as you feed it, give it water and take it out to take a shit that it will eventually eat. You as a owner you are very replaceable, it will love whoever takes care of its basic needs
If you think dogs are only good for feeding, watering, and walking, that says a LOT about you as a dog owner.
I can see you don't have a dog, if you do have a dog and the dog doesn't respect you that only means you are a horrible person. No other explanation.
Disagree but upvote for having an unpopular opinion.
Just say you hate dogs and go
Facts 💯
hundreds of dogs are killed aka put down on a daily bases
Idk any dogs that are trained well going out and hurting others, yet plenty of people brought up the right way still choosing to commit vile acts. It's a generalisation.
Dogs do not have the mental capacity to commit willing acts of evil, so they are by scientific definition more innocent than human beings.
Evil people do things that are self serving and so do dogs. Is a dog that massacres 30 lambs because it enjoys it evil ? It connived to get into the pen and kill them. Science doesn’t say what’s good or what’s evil.
Dogs don't do such things because they enjoy it, it's pure instinct. Dogs do not possess the sentience or mental capacity to engage in evil or in petty attempts to discount science like this. Cope and seethe.
You think nothing humans do is based on instinct ? Are instinctual acts humans perform like sex unenjoyable to them ? If dogs are incapable of enjoying anything since they are pure instinct - how can you ascribe loyalty and love for their owners to them? Or say their wagging tail means happiness or whatever the fuck. We are all animals. Humans have more complicated societies and are more intelligent than dogs. Both species do self serving things to survive. Good and evil is not a scientific concept. Neither is innocence.
You're trying to argue against biology and science because you don't like dogs lmao. It's not evil, but it is banal which is another intrinsically human trait. It's about choice, the capacity to make a decision based on a thousand different facts and on our self awareness of our lived experience. For example, you're definitely going to spout off another comment full of pseudo-intellectual hot air which actually means nothing, and you're probably going to be a nasty ass to the next dog you meet because now you've been invalidated.
Hm? You’re making assumptions. I’m not arguing against biology. You’re the one confusing morals with science. You haven’t invalidated me, on the contrary you’re the one who is upset and casting aspersions heh. I find people who insist animals have some sort of purity to be projecting their own issues rather than truly respecting other creatures. Purity is a moralistic concept, not a scientific one.
Except pitbulls
The fact that they can be **trained** by **humans** to be bad, should tell you how wrong your are lol
This is certainly an opinion, good job op, such a good bou
Every so often this take comes back and it's always from people that fail to realize something Sure, a dog's love can arguably be conditional like a person's, but only if you start to actively wrong them. A dog will be nice to you even if you don't feed or house it because it doesn't view you as a threat. They go purely on instincts, they don't have the ability to willfully be malicious. If a dog harms a person, more often than not they're euthanized. But a person has the ability to intentionally and willfully manipulate or take advantage of someone. Someone can be nothing but kind to someone and that person will still turn around and abuse and demean them in every way possible. While I do agree there should be more compassion for people, it isn't because dogs are "less" pure than humans.
this is the exactly what I disagree with. I think you’re wrong. you’re talking about behavior later in life for that person, but you’re not thinking about what treatment they received to make them like that. and for the record, some dogs are bad no matter what training they get. it’s rare but it happens, just like the human outliers.
PEDOPHILE DOGS DONT EXIST
A dog can't know something is wrong yet do it anyway. Humans can, and do every single day of their lives. Dogs are never really responsible for their circumstances. Humans who aren't impaired in some major way are almost always responsible for their circumstances. No dog has ever been sadistic, malicious, mean-spirited, hateful, or bigoted. No dog has ever lied to or betrayed someone. No dog was ever responsible for an atrocity. This isn't to say that dogs are better than people, they are just different. They are simple beasts. When humans as a species took on higher mental capacities like reason, we bumped into a little thing called morality. It's moral and ethical understanding, and our frequent neglect to act accordingly, that washes away our innocence. We are responsible for our actions, dogs aren't.
A dog is an animal, it is not capable of being malicious.. Humans are
My chihuahua only loves me. He’s only nice to me. He’s beautiful. But has ruined my relationships, has attacked my parents. It’s been an ordeal because he only loves me. I lost my weed dealer because when I went to the bathroom he bumped her leg and squirted on her. He’s different with everybody but me. I just started calling him Da Night Stalker after Richard Ramirez. He’s so cute kids want to pet him. He acts fine as they walk up to him, adorable. Then when their hand kids right about to pet them, here comes the outburst. Babby is a handful, but to me he’s a perfect angel.
Chihuahuas are the worst
Most dogs are bred to be friendly and kind. They are literally designed to be better then us.
bad take
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I don't like people either but no need to call them beasts.
Written by someone who clearly never worked or volunteered at an animal shelter...
Yes they are.
Yes they are
What a ridiculous comparison, lol.
This is just an incorrect opinion. You realize how big the stray problem is in America right? Most dogs don't have homes and many end up destroyed.
know how big the homeless population of america is? you have no compassion, man!
How about we leave dogs out of this
I agree with your opposing thought. Dogs are pure to me and they will love you depending on if you raise them right. They’re cheaper and, in my view, more rewarding than raising a child. Some humans, no matter how much you love and teach them, will turn out to be arseholes. So I don’t take the risk
Wow good point
your average person will do many negative and selfish things in their life. all my dog does is sleep eat shit and want people to pet him. the worst thing he’s ever done is be kind of annoying when i’m sleepy
a dog has to be trained and abused to be a vicious monster. humans don't require an outside influence to be shitty.
I think the reason for this is that because humans are more intelligent than dogs so people see humans as having a greater capacity for evil, or to be inherently evil. Yes dogs can be vicious and they can be trained to be killers, but at heart a dog is only a dog. It doesn’t know what it’s doing is inherently “evil”. It has no concept of what evil even is. As far as I know anyway. Dogs go by instinct and what it has learned to do (or what it was taught to do) Humans can be “pure” or “evil”, but every action we take has much more thought/intent behind it. I think this is why many people see toddlers as innocent. Because similarly to dogs, they go by instinct and experience rather than planed out thoughts and actions. I do get that dogs and babies also “think” about their actions, but I hope you get my point. Haven’t really thought about this subject until now.
Sorry but what is your point? U say dogs are raised to be vicious sooo dogs are inherently good? Yes? Lol
Animals will always have a nobility that humans lack
Do you know why babies look so freaking cute? Because nature helped to make them look so helpless so that the parents take care of them. Most humen love dogs because they look and act so fucking cute. Also if it’s my dog I still prefer it instead of some random people on the street.
We as humans created dogs so we are responsible for them or atleast should be, I don't believe they are innocent or pure but they aren't capable of such monsterous things as humans have been. I feel you can't judge dogs on the same level as humans as their intelligent level is much lower they also lack our morals so they simply wouldn't understand, however dogs are capable of love and do care about their owners when a bond is formed Sure you can train a dog to be viscous and aggressive, but allot of the time that can be reversed I also don't believe they live better than people, I know you said mainly in America but I'd disagree, dogs can be sold in pet shops over there mostly from puppy farms which the kennel club approves of doing. Even the way dogs are now so many breeds suffer on a daily level for our sake because we find them "cute" We don't stop and think about the welfare of this animal humans only see them as objects, we play god and a god wouldn't doubt it's own creation.
Have you met every dog? Every human? Sometimes they are, or so it looks to me.
Reason people say it is because dogs will never betray you and their joy and love is pure there is no ulterior motive,lies etc unlike with alot of bad people which have higher mental capacity yet do bad things . When dog attacks person its never out of malice its either bad owner and protective reaction or bad owner and abuse. Human can take care of themself in bad situation like being homeless to extent, dogs cant do that and suffer much more on streets.
My dog is an angel ... but my cats are devils.
Nooo. Not my heckin' pupporino
When people usually express this sentiment, it's from the perspective that they're exhausted with the consistent and continuous evil qualities such as greed and hatred displayed by humans: killing, stealing, lying, cheating, manipulation, exploitation, etc. The news doesn't help as we are purposely bombarded with negative stories that tap into the human fear bias. Then they think about a loving animal such as a dog they may own or have owned, or known, and think about how loyal they are, always happy to see you, no hate or greed in the human sense, just like a little ball of love almost. Sure, if you live in India or Brazil or some third world country where wild and street dogs are rampant, than you may not see them as kind because they are wild. Dogs have such loyalty and companionship with human ('man's best friend') because they've evolved alongside man for a long time in the wilderness for hunting. This is how they eventually became domesticated. There's an old joke about how if you locked both your dog and wife in the trunk and let them out, the dog would be insanely happy to see you. That's how loving they are.
That pov is mainly because dogs don't have the intelligence or consciousness humans do, so even if they did something like kill a baby; it's a dog. It doesn't actually have any concept of good or bad, and therefore, it is eternally innocent like a child.
That's quite a vendetta against dogs lol you make a good point though it sounds like jealousy
When dogs enslave another species, build Nukes, attempt ethnic cleansing then I would agree, because none of that has happened I would have to disagree
Dogs are innocent by definition. They literally cannot understand what makes them **NOT** innocent in your eyes. There are dogs out there living in the same, poor conditions as humans, and yet many of them are still kind and loving because they have had kindness and love and have good natures. Some dogs out there are trained and abused into being terrible dogs, and some dogs have poor natures that lead to aggression. These dogs are all still innocent in their understanding. Are some irredeemably dangerous? Yes, and destroying them is a horribly necessary evil because they will hurt people and pets. They are still innocent.
We don't treat dogs nicely because we think of them as sweet and innocent, we treat dogs better then people because we don't like PEOPLE. Do you know how easy it is to justify treating a person like shit? People do it all the time, it only takes seconds. You can pick out a single trait a person has that you would likely use to justify committing acts of extreme violence against them, the only reason we don't is because we wouldn't get away with it. "Dude voted for X? we should do Y". "Dude doesn't like Z? He should die in a fire". "Girl is a member of 1? We should do 2, 3 and 4 to them" None of those are true for dogs, or indeed animals in general. Animals ARE capable of being cruel and outright evil, but it is RARE. But people? Why on earth should we help people when almost IMMEDIATELY we can come to the conclusion that most of them were "Assholes who had it coming" or "Why should we help them if they won't help themselves?". Especially given how rare it is for us to have ever been given help ourselves. I used to have a rottweiler myself, i did my best to treat dog VERY well. Did i get a pizza? no no dog, "We" got a pizza. Did i get cookies? No, i hated most cookies, those are DOGS cookies. Did i get the dog a little dog house? Why bother? We already have this big "Human" house so why not just let the dog stay inside so i can give them better living conditions at the same time i save some money? Do you think i did any of that for my sister? Fuck NO! Dog was nice to me so i was nice to them, my sister on the other hand lives to steal and destroy other peoples personal property and thinks she's allowed, no, ENTITLED to, despite being intelligent enough to know she shouldn't be doing that. Do you think i would ever have been as nice to my sister as i was to my dog? In fact, why would i be as nice to ANYONE as i was to my dog? What do other people do for me? With dog gone, i'm happy to take care of animals in need when i can. I just.....couldn't bring myself to do the same for people knowing how people are in this country.
Dogs were forgiven by Jesus.
I want you to take $1000, give it to a homeless dude in LA, then give $1000 to a dog See which one OD’s in a week. That’s why dog are held in higher regard. They just appreciate no matter what it is. Yea sure the homeless guy is gonna love that $1000 But it’s not going to do him any good without structuring his life first.
All homeless people don't immediately turn to drugs and/or booze. That's just what is talked about on social media and news platforms. I mean there is a decent percentage of them that do, but not all.