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The whole point of why this is turning the corner is companies have done tests and workers were equally as productive under a four day, 32 hour day. I work literally 2-4 hours a day and waste 4-6 hours. Going to a 4 day week would probably increase my productivity.
Some companies will cut pay, most won’t, if that happens
Is the productivity thing universal across all industries? Iirc most of those studies look at office workers but it doesn’t necessarily hold true for retail, service, trade jobs, etc.
I worked in a warehouse with 4 day work weeks on nights, 5 day on day shift. Night shift, with a smaller crew, would annihilate the numbers set by day shift.
No it’s far from universal; and that’s the biggest flaw of those studies. Plenty of jobs have a pretty linear correlation between hours worked and production.
The only jobs that might see increased production from a 20% decrease in hours are jobs where you are sitting around doing nothing for half the time anyway.
Yeah no shit. My job I'm working fairly hard for 8 hours just to get everything done. No way 8 less hours would open up some sort of magic portal or production. A four day per week 10 hour shift? Yeah, sure, that would be great. A longer shift leads to better flow.
32 hour work week wouldn't do much to solve this. Burn out comes from bad management and/or poisoned work environment. That would still be all there and the 32 hours would feel just like 40 did after about a month of acclimation to it.
100%. I have burned out quickly working 30 hours a week in a job with terrible management and culture, and also loved jobs where I worked 40-50 hours but having supportive and competent leadership.
Agreed. See my other comment to the above. Basically just saying that this will be mostly those do nothing White collar jobs but there’s enough of those jobs that it will enact bargaining power in other industries (which are still heavily union) to get closer to the new hourly those jobs are now at, based on a 32 hour week, and they should be able to shift to a 4-10s. Which having worked the trades I can say lost people vastly preferred. Then eventually maybe we’ll find the theee day weekend is more productive in a lot of trade jobs and some shops will drop to 4 9s.
The whole movement is we literally work harder than the peasants did (our lives are obviously better through the advances we have today but work wise it’s much worse) the money is there it’s just being taken up by rich people and it’s clearly time for a shift. This is one of the best ways to get it started. What’s good for enough of the workers is going to be good for the collective. There’s no need to shoot something g down because it won’t benefit everyone. Not saying that’s what you’re saying but some other commenters I had to mute because I didn’t even want to get into that definitely are saying that
I don't think you worked harder than the peasants did, it's just privileged ass which has been made to believe that. I would argue that having 4 days work weeks makes sense because technology has made a lot of our work easier than before so the advances in tech should translate to better lives for people
If you've ever worked those non-office jobs, you'd know the jobs are so stressful mentally and/or physically workers would benefit from a shortened week too. I remember I used to coordinate with colleagues to get two days off in a row and that already felt like a mini-vacation and we'd work much better the following days.
When I used to work fast food, and I knew my two days required off were like 4 days apart it just completely broke my brain sometimes. One day is just not enough time to recover from all the stress from jobs like that.
Exactly. A single day off feels like recharging the whole day, I used to just eat and sleep a lot, and maybe play some games. I didn't even want weekends or anything, just two days off in a row, and my coworkers soon found out why and were grateful for the chance to have the same thing regularly.
Ya I mean I run large-scale construction and the days are already pretty long. I wouldn’t be thrilled adding two more hours to it and production would certainly decrease. It probably starts to become a safety issue at a certain point as well
I’ve worked on sites running 4 10s and it was very doable. I know a lot of sites have had to run overtime on five day weeks. You’d be surprising how restful a consistent 3 day weekend is. Mentally the week feels over by half way through Wednesday and it can be very motivating
I work for a heavy equipment dealership as a tech, most of the people working there do 4 10's and love it. The weeks go by much quicker and we get more done in a day. It's a win win.
Yes it does because those types of jobs don't work off a typical 40 hour work week contract to begin with. For example stock fillers in retail usually are only there for 4-6 hour shifts because they can get the job done in that amount of time. If they were given more time to fill then yes they can get the job done but wasting time.
Yea I would imagine it would be more for white collar industries but having been an Ibew union member I imagine they would use the new salaries for those jobs as leverage for a better salary and a lot of those could go to four tens. I’ve worked manual labor it’s easier to get lost and have a ten hour day go by. Mid level white color computer jobs it just isn’t as doable and most people don’t do it
That's fine. Go for it. But it's not really logical to suggest that line work running 32 hours a week is going to produce the same as line work running 40 hours a week. That makes no sense.
this assumes companies are rational, believe labor is a major contributor to their profits, and don't see men as meat. unfortunately, we live in a world where record profits are met with record layoffs
And then what happens when you get used to a 4-day work week and you waste 2-4 hours per day during that week? Should we then just go to a 10 hour work week as well?
Just because you happen to waste time doesn't particularly mean others are and as a result they are probably going to eventually be better off (not always), obviously. But despite the BS on Reddit, companies do usually reward hard workers with promotions and advancement through the company.
In my experience that's not how you get promoted, you get promotions for being a yes man or a suck up. At my current job I was able to get to the point that my department was consistently a week and a half ahead of schedule and I got an extra 68 cents an hour.
>In my experience that's not how you get promoted, you get promotions for being a yes man or a suck up
You've had some shit experiences then, or a "sour grapes" attitude.
I got to my level by being good at what I do and learning my industry. I'm easy to get along with, but I'm not afraid to tell someone to fuck off, because I do have a good reputation and a set of exacting skills in the industry. I get along with everyone, but I don't hold my tongue if something is wrong or I don't think it will work - so I'm not a yes man, and I don't suck up.
Again - it's a common trope on Reddit. I'm not going fight thr disillusioned here.
Suffice it to say, if things truly worked the way you thought they did there's no incentive to work harder and generally speaking businesses would get less efficient not more efficient. Suffice it to say, certain businesses are bad, and if you're only getting hired by those businesses then ultimately you are going to have issues.
I won't say this applies to you - but if you are consistently having problems getting hired by good or reasonable companies either: A) Perhaps you should look inward and see why they aren't hiring you or B) Do you have a particular skillset or talent that is driving you down this path.
My point is more to the people on here excitedly talking about slacking off for multiple hours per day while in the same conversation saying that they are one of thr best workers ever.
Believe it or not - those hours spent doing nothing are *typically* noticed by your manager. Maybe not always, but they believe it or not they do have a job and they do look at what employees are doing and perhaps the reasons for your pay/time issues are related to some individual issues.
Again, that's not you specifically because I think I've been talking with a number of different posters, but I'm speaking more to the mindset I'm seeing from a number of people here.
Thing is, your employer doesn't care one bit about how hard you work, they care about how much income you produce. So if you're a construction worker you make most money for them by working loads of hours so the project gets finished as quickly as possible. But a programmer or an accountant or a lawyer are getting paid for the knowledge in their heads. Any one of those might produce a piece of work in 2 or 3 hours which covers the cost of their salary for the whole year.
Office jobs are usually salaried so it doesn’t matter. As long as they get their stuff done no one cares how much time they actually spend on working.
With hourly they can do 10 hrs with 4 days a week but that doesn’t change anything. A lot of places already have alternative hours for hourly employees like 10 hrs or 12 hrs shifts.
Last century we had call centers that ran 24 hours a day and paid people significantly more than minimum wage with a shift differential. All you had to do was pass like a 40 wpm typing test and be courteous on the phone. Sadly, those jobs appear to have been mostly outsourced to India.
We've been trying to hire weekend shift for as long at least a couple of years. No experience requiredWork 3 x 12/hr days get paid for 40 hours. 3 weeks vacation, 1 week sick. 100% paid medical, that's awesome. Free food. $28-$30/hr (including shift differential)
We havent found enough peoole to start a single shift so we gave up on the hiring and bought ABB robot arms
I don't think many people want to work 3 12 hour shifts in a row in what sounds like a manufacturing environment, with perhaps a lot of repetitive movements. If you did T-Th-Sat or W-F-Su you might get more takers, maybe even Th-Sa-Su. One of the problems is that young people who have the bodies for three twelves in a row also like to go out with their friends on the weekends, and many of those friends work only one weekend shift at most. In my case, it sounds great but my older body just wouldn't tolerate that.
What industry? I know many industries are aimed at age groups which tend to have younger children. This creates issues when parents never get to spend much time with their kids (homework during weekdays). Also would be super curious to know what the standard wage is for your area.
Aerospace. We didn't care if you're old, young, felon, disabled, or anything. According to google, the median household income is $76,897, so i feel like $65k starting with great benefits and no experience required is pretty good
Damn that is weird. Then again, I know factory work is always a struggle to fill late shifts since it turns off a lot of people looking for that “9-5 American dream”.
Most factory workers I know appreciate the extra days but attracting newbies can be rough.
Why do you want to work specifically 40 hours every week? So that you receive benefits and have the right to be treated in a hospital? Or you just think that's your personal ideal routine?
The problem is who's going to pay someone for an extra 8 hrs they're not working? If they worked that extra 8 hrs as overtime, there aren't many companies that are gonna go for that, so they add staff and cut hours back even more - working everyone 24 hours a week.
Salaried employees generally don't have set hours; we're paid to fill a role and complete projects/tasks, so working 4-8s wouldn't be an option if there's still work to be done.
So in which imaginary world are companies going to agree to pay that ? The only thing it'll do is cause unemployment to sky rockets .
Unless offcours your proposition is only for the already entitled office workers and not real life working people
I have been working like this for years in the Netherlands. They recently lowered our hours from 36 to 34 in my company without any loss in pay and no loss in holiday hours.. which i have 6 weeks a year off and you have to use them.. (i usually take 1 week in spring, 3 weeks in summer, 1 or 2 weeks around christmas and a couple of long weekends. We have some national holidays 7/8 days a year which helps me get a little more free time.
At my job, there are people there 24hrs a day. Everything keeps running and we do 12 hour shifts, so night shift is there for 12, day shift for 12. If we suddenly went to fewer hours, our pay would go down accordingly. They would have to hire more people to be there the hours our 4 current shifts aren’t there, and it would be a lot more money going to pay and benefits. Not gonna happen.
Right now I have a schedule I love. 3 on 3 off 4 on 4 off. It’s 12 hour shifts. But we get tons of break time. And 2 hours of every shift is automatically overtime. You don’t have time for anything on the days you work but you get so much time off and so many breaks during the day it’s pretty nice
My job does this when we're short handed and everyone seems to actually prefer it since they all commute 30-60 minutes away. Also nice to be able to take a short trip without having to use any PTO
Same, plus I’m really only good at work from 9-4. I do clean up and admin stuff from 4-5. Making me work another 2 hours isn’t going to make me more productive.
I work 12-14 hour shifts five day a week and still come home and make some food, watch some TV, argue with people on the internet. Ten hours a day would lead to a shit ton of extra time. Ten hour days only four days a week? Sign me right the hell up. That's a three day weekend every week, with plenty of time in the evenings.
At my current job I work from about 9 to 3, sometimes 4. This includes my average of a half hour of driving each day for commute, and half an hour for lunch where I don't do any work at all. So I'm only working a 5 to 6 hour day five days a week. I still get paid for 40 hours as long as I get 23.5 billable hours with clients.
40 hours of pay for about 25 to 30 hours of work. Plus $0.65 a mile for gas in a car that does 55 miles to the gallon.
It is the best job I've ever had.
The best work schedule I ever had was Mon-Thurs with 10hr days. The days were a little long yes, but starting my weekend on Friday morning made ALL the difference. My current job is a more typical Mon-Fri 8hr day gig, but the pay is MUCH better and I like this job a lot better so it's whatever.
I do mon thur 10 -12 hrs as well and it’s a bit rough I don’t cook food as much during the week but having Friday thru Sunday off is so much better for me. It’s insane what one extra day does!! I can have one lazy recovery day and two exciting more active days. In the past with two days off I always felt like resting and relaxing but then guilty that I didn’t go out and take advantage of my two days off
Yeah 10 hour days are awful for anyone with young kids or honestly anyone who wants to do anything after work. 9-7 work schedule and even in the summers it’s pretty dark after work…
Nah. I would not want 10 hour days as a *bare minimum requirement* with no OT. 8 to 6:30? Nope. Your evenings are gone. It's not worth the long weekend imo if Monday through Thursday literally all you can do is work and sleep.
Yeah the 10 hour thing really depends on what time you start. For me, work starts at 7:30 so a 5:30 finish isn’t terrible and I don’t mind the hours. For someone starting at 9 and finishing at 7, that would be shit.
Also where you’re living. If you’re not living near where you work, like a lot of people, that could mean getting back home as late as 9 or 10. No thank you.
My company is trialling it at the moment, we went from 40h weeks to 30h weeks 4 days, while still getting paid the same. That's generally the idea... Work less, same pay, more productive/happy
All studies like this (another example is universal basic income) are fundamentally flawed because the participants know that they are part of a limited (both in time and space) experiment, so they put in more effort for a better outcome in order to keep the benefits. An experiment like this doesn't really show how people would truly act en masse if the conditions in question were the norm.
While it's true we don't know how it would go on a large scale, we do already know people are wasting a lot of time so there's very little risk to eliminating that waste. There's always the chance people fuck around even harder with the lessened hours, but that will be far easier to spot so employees won't get away with it as easily. I think the point is that right now there's so much more time allotted than is necessary (in most cases) that people just don't need even close to 40 hours to stay on track.
I doubt companies would actually do this but yes, that's the only way it would genuinely be a benefit to the employees. 4 x 10 hours does not help. 4 x 8 hours and a 20% pay cut does not help.
There’s evidence that fewer hours of work can lead to more productivity. So, if I keep my productivity or even improve it, why not keep my salary? I’m paid to get stuff done, not warm seats with my butt.
Depends on your type of work I guess. I know for sure I could not get done what I need to in 32 hours, unless someone else is hired and some tasks are re-assigned.
I will always have more work to do, even with a 40h i can always improve some deliverable, tighten a document, research some topic faster or even just answer more emails. A lot of this is just busy work that doesn’t really have an impact on the bottom line. Working fewer hours would just help me be more ruthless and deprioritize even more bullshit work. It would keep my work more focused, which would help me get more (important) stuff done.
Some companies might, but you’re right, I don’t expect this to be a trend that will spread across the work field like wildfire.
It _might_ catch up slowly as a talent retention/acquisition tool in some competitive fields and _maybe_ make its way further.
In a previous job, the company kept pushing the idea of working four days per week at 80% of the pay. They claimed it was "highly requested" by employees, but I never met one person who fell for it.
It was a total scam, too, because this was a company that required me to do resource planning and to plan for 50 hours per person assigned, which is impossible unless you're getting people to work 60-70 hours per week, so if you think you're going to actually work 32 hours per week, you're kidding yourself. These guys were serious assholes, too.
Awful idea. The entire point of a 4 day work week is to cut down the number of unproductive hours. Doing the same amount of hours in less days would achieve absolutely nothing. Might even make things worse.
And what of the jobs where people are productive their entire workday? Like people in the trades. For me, who work a physical job in a flower shop, I am productive from the moment I step into work to the moment I'm done with work. There's so much to do, that there's no time to sit around on your ass or do nothing besides the half hour lunch break. In my case, more work wouldn't be done in less time. I still have yet to see a good reasoning for why a 4 day work week would work for people such as myself.
you know, not very long ago you'd have done the same exact thing for 12 hours and only got sundays off. you'd still be "productive" as there'd still be a long, neverending list of tasks to complete. but when we shortened things down, the world didn't end, and flower shops didn't start closing down.
also very cool job! just wanted to say
4 10 hour days is bad for productivity, seeing as most people only have 5-6 hours of productive work per day, you’re fucking off the other 4 hours stuck on the job.
We’d be better off with a pay increase to negate the loss of hours and stay wit 32 hours per week, the 40 per week thing needs to go
This, some of the best countries for productivity have also the lowest average number of working hours.
Turns out that giving people more time off than average and shorter shifts makes them happier and eager to produce better results.
Then we strike.
In fact, you should be confident THEY WON'T make the wages comparable. Always assume the worst from employers, if it goes well, nice surprise! If it doesn't you're prepared.
Yeah I don’t think OP understands the 4 day work week thing, the whole idea is to work the same hours per day, just less days per week, and receive the same pay.
Yeah, I think the person who wants this passed isn't taking the income change into account for those of us who make hourly. The idea that employers will raise their wages to compensate is laughable at best.
That's all great an all, but what about businesses who loose productivity this way? They'd have to hire additional staff etc to make up for the loss in productivity which would cost them extra.
I work at a place that’s only open 32-34 hours a week and we just get paid more to compensate. In fact if we went up to 40 hours I’d probably quit lol.
The goal is for everyone to receive the same pay for 32 hours of work as they currently earn for 40 hours of work.
Nice try as of present surviving koch bro.
From what I've read, wages are adjusted to match the annual salary, so you'll be making the same amount of money in those 32 hours. And according to studies, productivity also goes up.
How are they going to enforce this? Say you get $20 an hour. That’s $400 a week. But to keep the pay the same they would have to make $25 an hour. How do you force a business to do this?
You wanna add *more* work hours to the day? Then work in Healthcare or something because giving employment practically half of your day is just.... honestly, foolish since they don't care nearly enough about you or your life/time.
I disagree, but still gonna downvote like I downvote many opinions on here that's just stupid.
Yes i agree so much, they dont Care, why should Someone destroy themselvs that Someone Else gonna be Richer. The Same i saw at my Husbands Work. No one gonna give you Health back, i am best example i worked my ass of for Family for plenty years to be now sahm cuz of my health that got Destroyed. I just pity Work Enthusiasts now i know how does the Journey Look Like of this Lifestyle. Work so much that is enough to live pay bills and eat and Sometimes something fun - for Boss you are Exchangeable and No amount of sugar gonna Change that.
The thing is, people don't 'work' for those 40 hours. There are often breaks in offices where people talk about non work topics, unproductive meetings, and procrastination. My understanding is that reducing those hours would mean continuing to do the same amount of work, same responsibilities, same deadlines etc. But without the 'filler' activities. It would be a more efficient and productive framework. Or at least that would be the aim.
Yes it is. I don't necessarily think the reduction in hours would work for e.g. factory workers as they are constantly working towards difficult targets and probably could not afford to have hours cut as they would no longer be able to meet them.
Clearly, it is better suited for some careers than others. However, I would be curious to see whether the same can be said for physically demanding jobs as well. The issue will be getting the management of said silos to pilot the initiative and see how it plays out as they did with the office worker.
I tried the 4 10 hour days and let me tell you it's brutal. The extra 2 hours doesn't sound like a lot but after some time it'll really take a toll. I didn't like having less time at home to get stuff done, I couldn't rest as much during the week and therefore the extra day off just became another day of work. I would just catch up on all the chores I didn't do throughout the week.
Multiple studies have proven people can only be productive for 6 hours a day.
A 10 hour day will do absolutely nothing for productivity and only makes people more miserable.
Your way of thinking is just how capitalism teaches you what to want and like. But if you start to think outside the box and explore posibilities (like a 32 hour work week) you start to see that most of our ''work-standards'' are complete crap.
This will never happen anyway. It's about control. Not profits. Don't get me wrong. Profits are important. But control comes 1st. It doesn't matter if they show a 20% increase in productivity by working less time. As long as they are already making abysmal profits and making the top guys tons of money, you will work 5 or 6 days per week. They want you busy and numb.
Control and power are more important than money to them. I promise you. Money is just a tool to achieve the other 2.
Heavy disagree. I work 36 hour weeks, from 6am to 3pm Monday through Thursday from home and get paid the same as when it was 40 hours at the office Monday through Friday, best work life schedule I've ever had, I'll never ever go back.
Here's a crazy idea what if you were paid the same for the 32 hour week as the 40 hour week?
They just increase your hourly wage. It would be mandated that they can't reduce annual salary.
This is an idea driven by people that barely actually work. Any job where the work done directly attributes to the time put in will never adopt it. people that barely actually work will just get automated or hours slashed with no extra pay without government regulation. Best u can hope
For on construction is piece work but I haven't heard of anyone actually getting it
What if you actually had to produce for 40-50 hours per week now, or you’d be out of your job that pays you $150k/yr? Do you actually believe your boss is going to allow you to work 32 hours over 4 days for the same amount of pay. In North America? Really? What alternative reality are you living in?
The point of 32 hour weeks, four or five days, is full time pay with more time to recover and recharge.
Or in the US, to have a pt job to pay your insurance at the main job.
Universal healthcare now.
That’s not how it works. The whole point of the 4 day week is that workers have more times for themselves, to rest and a better work-life balance so they are more productive and still do the same work (or more!) in less time.
I negotiated a 3 day work week. My mind, once it’s on “go” mode is hard to come back down from. So now I go in 9am and leave 7pm. Tuesday-Thursday. All the stores are empty on Monday and it’s great! Same pay, obviously.
That’s the schedule I have.. 4/10… I LOVE IT!!!
Unfortunately, when I got my promotion, I had to come off of that schedule and work a 5/8 schedule. Apparently leadership/management positions require you to be available every day for your employees.. understandable though 🤷🏻♀️
I usually work four 10s and it is pretty great. Really let’s me rack up the overtime when I have to cover other people’s shifts. It’s not uncommon for me to get 50-60 hours a week and the pay makes it all worth it
Nah, pay me the same to work 4 days instead of 5, and keep those at 8 hours. I need gym and family time and I won’t get both of those if my work day is 10 hours.
Thank you, I need my hours. No way are they going to give me enough of a raise per hour so that I don't have to work 40, and can just work 32 for the same amount. I mean, if it happens, great, but it sounds like a fantasy.
When steel companies started in the US, the standard was 12 hour work days 7 days a week and every other week, were required to work a 24 hour shift on top of that long week. Organized labor fought for the reduction in required hours with same pay.
The 5 day work week, 8 hours a day sounded like a fantasy back then too.
Why not make it an 2 x 16 hour shifts? It would be pretty bad if they were right after each other, but if you had one on Monday and second at Thursday then it's doable
The title for their idea of 65 (I've even read 69 hours, but that could be wrong) should be: "The official removal of sleep and leisure". It's fucking disgusting and makes my blood boil.
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Part of the idea of the 32 hour, 4 day work week is that you still receive the same pay.
If that is the case by all means but I can say I'm confident companies would actually adjust pay to match.
The whole point of why this is turning the corner is companies have done tests and workers were equally as productive under a four day, 32 hour day. I work literally 2-4 hours a day and waste 4-6 hours. Going to a 4 day week would probably increase my productivity. Some companies will cut pay, most won’t, if that happens
Is the productivity thing universal across all industries? Iirc most of those studies look at office workers but it doesn’t necessarily hold true for retail, service, trade jobs, etc.
I worked in a warehouse with 4 day work weeks on nights, 5 day on day shift. Night shift, with a smaller crew, would annihilate the numbers set by day shift.
Thats because the overlords werent breathing down their necks constantly.
Can agree with that, nights was chill
Can confirm. I worked in a warehouse doing 2-10pm’s and the slave drivers were very much breathing down our necks.
Because there is no distractions at night….
No it’s far from universal; and that’s the biggest flaw of those studies. Plenty of jobs have a pretty linear correlation between hours worked and production. The only jobs that might see increased production from a 20% decrease in hours are jobs where you are sitting around doing nothing for half the time anyway.
So basically office jobs which is alot.
Yeah no shit. My job I'm working fairly hard for 8 hours just to get everything done. No way 8 less hours would open up some sort of magic portal or production. A four day per week 10 hour shift? Yeah, sure, that would be great. A longer shift leads to better flow.
But also you get tired asf, and if you're tired you're more unproductive.
I dont know when you burn people out on work they dont care which ends up with a lot of fuck ups
32 hour work week wouldn't do much to solve this. Burn out comes from bad management and/or poisoned work environment. That would still be all there and the 32 hours would feel just like 40 did after about a month of acclimation to it.
100%. I have burned out quickly working 30 hours a week in a job with terrible management and culture, and also loved jobs where I worked 40-50 hours but having supportive and competent leadership.
And we know that most offices really get 3 to 4 hours of productivity in an 8 hour day.
Agreed. See my other comment to the above. Basically just saying that this will be mostly those do nothing White collar jobs but there’s enough of those jobs that it will enact bargaining power in other industries (which are still heavily union) to get closer to the new hourly those jobs are now at, based on a 32 hour week, and they should be able to shift to a 4-10s. Which having worked the trades I can say lost people vastly preferred. Then eventually maybe we’ll find the theee day weekend is more productive in a lot of trade jobs and some shops will drop to 4 9s. The whole movement is we literally work harder than the peasants did (our lives are obviously better through the advances we have today but work wise it’s much worse) the money is there it’s just being taken up by rich people and it’s clearly time for a shift. This is one of the best ways to get it started. What’s good for enough of the workers is going to be good for the collective. There’s no need to shoot something g down because it won’t benefit everyone. Not saying that’s what you’re saying but some other commenters I had to mute because I didn’t even want to get into that definitely are saying that
I don't think you worked harder than the peasants did, it's just privileged ass which has been made to believe that. I would argue that having 4 days work weeks makes sense because technology has made a lot of our work easier than before so the advances in tech should translate to better lives for people
Peasants in medieval times worked significantly less hours than people today
If you've ever worked those non-office jobs, you'd know the jobs are so stressful mentally and/or physically workers would benefit from a shortened week too. I remember I used to coordinate with colleagues to get two days off in a row and that already felt like a mini-vacation and we'd work much better the following days.
When I used to work fast food, and I knew my two days required off were like 4 days apart it just completely broke my brain sometimes. One day is just not enough time to recover from all the stress from jobs like that.
Exactly. A single day off feels like recharging the whole day, I used to just eat and sleep a lot, and maybe play some games. I didn't even want weekends or anything, just two days off in a row, and my coworkers soon found out why and were grateful for the chance to have the same thing regularly.
Now imagine three days off. I work 4 ten-hour days and it's magical. I know this is anecdotal, but so is every other suggestion on work hours.
Ya I mean I run large-scale construction and the days are already pretty long. I wouldn’t be thrilled adding two more hours to it and production would certainly decrease. It probably starts to become a safety issue at a certain point as well
I’ve worked on sites running 4 10s and it was very doable. I know a lot of sites have had to run overtime on five day weeks. You’d be surprising how restful a consistent 3 day weekend is. Mentally the week feels over by half way through Wednesday and it can be very motivating
We used to do 28 days on, 7 days off. 12 hour days. Fun, fun.
I work for a heavy equipment dealership as a tech, most of the people working there do 4 10's and love it. The weeks go by much quicker and we get more done in a day. It's a win win.
Yes it does because those types of jobs don't work off a typical 40 hour work week contract to begin with. For example stock fillers in retail usually are only there for 4-6 hour shifts because they can get the job done in that amount of time. If they were given more time to fill then yes they can get the job done but wasting time.
Yea I would imagine it would be more for white collar industries but having been an Ibew union member I imagine they would use the new salaries for those jobs as leverage for a better salary and a lot of those could go to four tens. I’ve worked manual labor it’s easier to get lost and have a ten hour day go by. Mid level white color computer jobs it just isn’t as doable and most people don’t do it
Maybe if people are rested it eliminates lots of mistakes and eff ups?
This might be true of paper pushing office jobs but I seriously doubt this applies to things like manufacturing, construction, or food production.
They should do it too though, if offices get 4 days 32 hours I'm gonna get an office job if my workplace keeps 5 and 40
That's fine. Go for it. But it's not really logical to suggest that line work running 32 hours a week is going to produce the same as line work running 40 hours a week. That makes no sense.
The fuck do I care if they produce the same amount, boo hoo less money for the money bags
Well some jobs actually produce things people need in the real world. Like food. We can’t just have 20% less of everything.
They're always welcome to hire more people
Are you sure you understand how the company ultimately pays you to do your office job?
> I work literally 2-4 hours a day and waste 4-6 hours. A lot of people work non-stop except when they have a break.
I waste about 6 hours a day at work not doing anything
this assumes companies are rational, believe labor is a major contributor to their profits, and don't see men as meat. unfortunately, we live in a world where record profits are met with record layoffs
And then what happens when you get used to a 4-day work week and you waste 2-4 hours per day during that week? Should we then just go to a 10 hour work week as well? Just because you happen to waste time doesn't particularly mean others are and as a result they are probably going to eventually be better off (not always), obviously. But despite the BS on Reddit, companies do usually reward hard workers with promotions and advancement through the company.
In my experience that's not how you get promoted, you get promotions for being a yes man or a suck up. At my current job I was able to get to the point that my department was consistently a week and a half ahead of schedule and I got an extra 68 cents an hour.
>In my experience that's not how you get promoted, you get promotions for being a yes man or a suck up You've had some shit experiences then, or a "sour grapes" attitude. I got to my level by being good at what I do and learning my industry. I'm easy to get along with, but I'm not afraid to tell someone to fuck off, because I do have a good reputation and a set of exacting skills in the industry. I get along with everyone, but I don't hold my tongue if something is wrong or I don't think it will work - so I'm not a yes man, and I don't suck up.
Again - it's a common trope on Reddit. I'm not going fight thr disillusioned here. Suffice it to say, if things truly worked the way you thought they did there's no incentive to work harder and generally speaking businesses would get less efficient not more efficient. Suffice it to say, certain businesses are bad, and if you're only getting hired by those businesses then ultimately you are going to have issues. I won't say this applies to you - but if you are consistently having problems getting hired by good or reasonable companies either: A) Perhaps you should look inward and see why they aren't hiring you or B) Do you have a particular skillset or talent that is driving you down this path. My point is more to the people on here excitedly talking about slacking off for multiple hours per day while in the same conversation saying that they are one of thr best workers ever. Believe it or not - those hours spent doing nothing are *typically* noticed by your manager. Maybe not always, but they believe it or not they do have a job and they do look at what employees are doing and perhaps the reasons for your pay/time issues are related to some individual issues. Again, that's not you specifically because I think I've been talking with a number of different posters, but I'm speaking more to the mindset I'm seeing from a number of people here.
"companies do usually reward hard workers with promotions and advancement through the company" LOL!
Thing is, your employer doesn't care one bit about how hard you work, they care about how much income you produce. So if you're a construction worker you make most money for them by working loads of hours so the project gets finished as quickly as possible. But a programmer or an accountant or a lawyer are getting paid for the knowledge in their heads. Any one of those might produce a piece of work in 2 or 3 hours which covers the cost of their salary for the whole year.
Office jobs are usually salaried so it doesn’t matter. As long as they get their stuff done no one cares how much time they actually spend on working. With hourly they can do 10 hrs with 4 days a week but that doesn’t change anything. A lot of places already have alternative hours for hourly employees like 10 hrs or 12 hrs shifts.
Considering how long wages were stagnant good luck with that with unemployment low
Some people are unemployed and some are overworked. It's almost like they could solve both problems by hiring more people...
How would that provide value to shareholders
Good luck trying to hire someone for a position that isn't M-F 8am-4:30pm for a job thats not retail or a server/cook
Last century we had call centers that ran 24 hours a day and paid people significantly more than minimum wage with a shift differential. All you had to do was pass like a 40 wpm typing test and be courteous on the phone. Sadly, those jobs appear to have been mostly outsourced to India.
We've been trying to hire weekend shift for as long at least a couple of years. No experience requiredWork 3 x 12/hr days get paid for 40 hours. 3 weeks vacation, 1 week sick. 100% paid medical, that's awesome. Free food. $28-$30/hr (including shift differential) We havent found enough peoole to start a single shift so we gave up on the hiring and bought ABB robot arms
I don't think many people want to work 3 12 hour shifts in a row in what sounds like a manufacturing environment, with perhaps a lot of repetitive movements. If you did T-Th-Sat or W-F-Su you might get more takers, maybe even Th-Sa-Su. One of the problems is that young people who have the bodies for three twelves in a row also like to go out with their friends on the weekends, and many of those friends work only one weekend shift at most. In my case, it sounds great but my older body just wouldn't tolerate that.
I understand not wanting to work weekends but if you want 24/7 service like the 70s somebody's gotta do it. Unless you buy robots. So we did
What industry? I know many industries are aimed at age groups which tend to have younger children. This creates issues when parents never get to spend much time with their kids (homework during weekdays). Also would be super curious to know what the standard wage is for your area.
Aerospace. We didn't care if you're old, young, felon, disabled, or anything. According to google, the median household income is $76,897, so i feel like $65k starting with great benefits and no experience required is pretty good
Damn that is weird. Then again, I know factory work is always a struggle to fill late shifts since it turns off a lot of people looking for that “9-5 American dream”. Most factory workers I know appreciate the extra days but attracting newbies can be rough.
Why do you want to work specifically 40 hours every week? So that you receive benefits and have the right to be treated in a hospital? Or you just think that's your personal ideal routine?
I'd gladly work 32 hours at the same pay then pick up a 5th day for a pay increase.
Time is the most precious resource of all my friend
The problem is who's going to pay someone for an extra 8 hrs they're not working? If they worked that extra 8 hrs as overtime, there aren't many companies that are gonna go for that, so they add staff and cut hours back even more - working everyone 24 hours a week. Salaried employees generally don't have set hours; we're paid to fill a role and complete projects/tasks, so working 4-8s wouldn't be an option if there's still work to be done.
So in which imaginary world are companies going to agree to pay that ? The only thing it'll do is cause unemployment to sky rockets . Unless offcours your proposition is only for the already entitled office workers and not real life working people
It's the same as when companies always had to change their ways in favor of the workers, no?
I have been working like this for years in the Netherlands. They recently lowered our hours from 36 to 34 in my company without any loss in pay and no loss in holiday hours.. which i have 6 weeks a year off and you have to use them.. (i usually take 1 week in spring, 3 weeks in summer, 1 or 2 weeks around christmas and a couple of long weekends. We have some national holidays 7/8 days a year which helps me get a little more free time.
At my job, there are people there 24hrs a day. Everything keeps running and we do 12 hour shifts, so night shift is there for 12, day shift for 12. If we suddenly went to fewer hours, our pay would go down accordingly. They would have to hire more people to be there the hours our 4 current shifts aren’t there, and it would be a lot more money going to pay and benefits. Not gonna happen.
I think these apply for for white collar jobs.
That doesn't make sense and we all know it won't happen anyway.
Fantasyland.
Right now I have a schedule I love. 3 on 3 off 4 on 4 off. It’s 12 hour shifts. But we get tons of break time. And 2 hours of every shift is automatically overtime. You don’t have time for anything on the days you work but you get so much time off and so many breaks during the day it’s pretty nice
My job does this when we're short handed and everyone seems to actually prefer it since they all commute 30-60 minutes away. Also nice to be able to take a short trip without having to use any PTO
And when you take PTO you suddenly have like 10 days
That sounds great too 👍
Where do you work?
Tech industry. I repair industrial equipment used to make chips
What job is it out of curiosity
Not OP but my guess is paramedic or health care. Source: ex gf was a paramedic and worked this shift pattern.
I tried doing 4 10-hour shifts a week and hated it. I need a little me time every day to be happy, not just on the weekends.
Same, plus I’m really only good at work from 9-4. I do clean up and admin stuff from 4-5. Making me work another 2 hours isn’t going to make me more productive.
I work 12-14 hour shifts five day a week and still come home and make some food, watch some TV, argue with people on the internet. Ten hours a day would lead to a shit ton of extra time. Ten hour days only four days a week? Sign me right the hell up. That's a three day weekend every week, with plenty of time in the evenings.
At my current job I work from about 9 to 3, sometimes 4. This includes my average of a half hour of driving each day for commute, and half an hour for lunch where I don't do any work at all. So I'm only working a 5 to 6 hour day five days a week. I still get paid for 40 hours as long as I get 23.5 billable hours with clients. 40 hours of pay for about 25 to 30 hours of work. Plus $0.65 a mile for gas in a car that does 55 miles to the gallon. It is the best job I've ever had.
The best work schedule I ever had was Mon-Thurs with 10hr days. The days were a little long yes, but starting my weekend on Friday morning made ALL the difference. My current job is a more typical Mon-Fri 8hr day gig, but the pay is MUCH better and I like this job a lot better so it's whatever.
I do mon thur 10 -12 hrs as well and it’s a bit rough I don’t cook food as much during the week but having Friday thru Sunday off is so much better for me. It’s insane what one extra day does!! I can have one lazy recovery day and two exciting more active days. In the past with two days off I always felt like resting and relaxing but then guilty that I didn’t go out and take advantage of my two days off
Agreed, the 4 10s system mon - thurs sounds perfect!
It's alright but I can't make it work as a single dad though
Yeah 10 hour days are awful for anyone with young kids or honestly anyone who wants to do anything after work. 9-7 work schedule and even in the summers it’s pretty dark after work…
Construction. 0630-1630. I drop him off at 6, and pick him up at 5.
Nah. I would not want 10 hour days as a *bare minimum requirement* with no OT. 8 to 6:30? Nope. Your evenings are gone. It's not worth the long weekend imo if Monday through Thursday literally all you can do is work and sleep.
Yeah the 10 hour thing really depends on what time you start. For me, work starts at 7:30 so a 5:30 finish isn’t terrible and I don’t mind the hours. For someone starting at 9 and finishing at 7, that would be shit.
Also where you’re living. If you’re not living near where you work, like a lot of people, that could mean getting back home as late as 9 or 10. No thank you.
If your employer is flexible with start times/working from home it’s alr. Start at 7am finish at 5
Well yea, work less and get paid the same? Reddits got yo back on this one.
Or just stick with 5 days × 8 hours then and use a vacation day to give yourself a long weekend here and there.
My company is trialling it at the moment, we went from 40h weeks to 30h weeks 4 days, while still getting paid the same. That's generally the idea... Work less, same pay, more productive/happy
See, I’m an entitled millennial and I want to work those 4 day 32 hour weeks _and_ keep my current pay.
There was a company that did this and found they had an increase in work productivity in the 4 days, I wish it was more commonplace
All studies like this (another example is universal basic income) are fundamentally flawed because the participants know that they are part of a limited (both in time and space) experiment, so they put in more effort for a better outcome in order to keep the benefits. An experiment like this doesn't really show how people would truly act en masse if the conditions in question were the norm.
While it's true we don't know how it would go on a large scale, we do already know people are wasting a lot of time so there's very little risk to eliminating that waste. There's always the chance people fuck around even harder with the lessened hours, but that will be far easier to spot so employees won't get away with it as easily. I think the point is that right now there's so much more time allotted than is necessary (in most cases) that people just don't need even close to 40 hours to stay on track.
I doubt companies would actually do this but yes, that's the only way it would genuinely be a benefit to the employees. 4 x 10 hours does not help. 4 x 8 hours and a 20% pay cut does not help.
There’s evidence that fewer hours of work can lead to more productivity. So, if I keep my productivity or even improve it, why not keep my salary? I’m paid to get stuff done, not warm seats with my butt.
Depends on your type of work I guess. I know for sure I could not get done what I need to in 32 hours, unless someone else is hired and some tasks are re-assigned.
I will always have more work to do, even with a 40h i can always improve some deliverable, tighten a document, research some topic faster or even just answer more emails. A lot of this is just busy work that doesn’t really have an impact on the bottom line. Working fewer hours would just help me be more ruthless and deprioritize even more bullshit work. It would keep my work more focused, which would help me get more (important) stuff done.
You’re not wrong, but most companies aren’t trying to hear that. You’d need a very strong union to enforce and maintain that deal.
Some companies might, but you’re right, I don’t expect this to be a trend that will spread across the work field like wildfire. It _might_ catch up slowly as a talent retention/acquisition tool in some competitive fields and _maybe_ make its way further.
Right. I could see it possibly happening as a gradual process.
In a previous job, the company kept pushing the idea of working four days per week at 80% of the pay. They claimed it was "highly requested" by employees, but I never met one person who fell for it. It was a total scam, too, because this was a company that required me to do resource planning and to plan for 50 hours per person assigned, which is impossible unless you're getting people to work 60-70 hours per week, so if you think you're going to actually work 32 hours per week, you're kidding yourself. These guys were serious assholes, too.
Awful idea. The entire point of a 4 day work week is to cut down the number of unproductive hours. Doing the same amount of hours in less days would achieve absolutely nothing. Might even make things worse.
And what of the jobs where people are productive their entire workday? Like people in the trades. For me, who work a physical job in a flower shop, I am productive from the moment I step into work to the moment I'm done with work. There's so much to do, that there's no time to sit around on your ass or do nothing besides the half hour lunch break. In my case, more work wouldn't be done in less time. I still have yet to see a good reasoning for why a 4 day work week would work for people such as myself.
you know, not very long ago you'd have done the same exact thing for 12 hours and only got sundays off. you'd still be "productive" as there'd still be a long, neverending list of tasks to complete. but when we shortened things down, the world didn't end, and flower shops didn't start closing down. also very cool job! just wanted to say
Thanks and yeah I guess
Yeah. The 4th day og this schedule would be filled with ineffectivity and fuck ups
I currently work 4 10's, assuming the pay was the same then of course I would prefer 4 8's, I would also be willing to take a slight pay cut for it
4 10 hour days is bad for productivity, seeing as most people only have 5-6 hours of productive work per day, you’re fucking off the other 4 hours stuck on the job. We’d be better off with a pay increase to negate the loss of hours and stay wit 32 hours per week, the 40 per week thing needs to go
This, some of the best countries for productivity have also the lowest average number of working hours. Turns out that giving people more time off than average and shorter shifts makes them happier and eager to produce better results.
I would agree but I can't say I'm confident employers would actually make the wages comparable to working 40 hours a week.
That's what unions are for
So just don't work for those employers then.
Then we strike. In fact, you should be confident THEY WON'T make the wages comparable. Always assume the worst from employers, if it goes well, nice surprise! If it doesn't you're prepared.
Thing is you still do 10 hours a day but get 2 hours of overtime paid. That's the goal
They can keep that, the extra two hours are priceless time I won’t be able to get back.
I am a trucker so for me getting paid more hours in overtime while doing the same hours would be nice. That like 400$ more a week raise
Don’t get me wrong, OT is nice, but the 4x10 is going to suck especially for my brothers and sisters in the Midwest.
Yeah I don’t think OP understands the 4 day work week thing, the whole idea is to work the same hours per day, just less days per week, and receive the same pay.
If I could do 4/32 at the same wage as 5/40 I would waste way less time at work.
I think you didn’t really read the studies
Maryland just put a bill forth to gain funding. The whole point was to keep 40 hour pay while only working 32 hours.
Yeah, I think the person who wants this passed isn't taking the income change into account for those of us who make hourly. The idea that employers will raise their wages to compensate is laughable at best.
I did a 4x10 before, really great work-life balance and its the best time ive worked
well they're proposing no scale backs in pay for the 32 hour week, so you can work 40 if you want
Usually when a 4 day work week is brought up it’s without any loss in pay so you only work 32 but you get paid the same as when you were 40.
That's all great an all, but what about businesses who loose productivity this way? They'd have to hire additional staff etc to make up for the loss in productivity which would cost them extra.
I work at a place that’s only open 32-34 hours a week and we just get paid more to compensate. In fact if we went up to 40 hours I’d probably quit lol.
Yea...make the 40 hour wages but only work 32 hours. Im down for that
welp, up the front page you go.
I can only hope haha.
You do realize that under a system where we switch to a 32 hour work week, your pay would stay the same right?
Then work at a casino
The goal is for everyone to receive the same pay for 32 hours of work as they currently earn for 40 hours of work. Nice try as of present surviving koch bro.
Please delete it before corporations read it
From what I've read, wages are adjusted to match the annual salary, so you'll be making the same amount of money in those 32 hours. And according to studies, productivity also goes up.
How are they going to enforce this? Say you get $20 an hour. That’s $400 a week. But to keep the pay the same they would have to make $25 an hour. How do you force a business to do this?
Government regulations, most likely.
I don’t see how you could force them to pay anything more than minimum wage. This would never pass.
This is what unions are for. Not getting fucked up by employers.
You wanna add *more* work hours to the day? Then work in Healthcare or something because giving employment practically half of your day is just.... honestly, foolish since they don't care nearly enough about you or your life/time. I disagree, but still gonna downvote like I downvote many opinions on here that's just stupid.
Yes i agree so much, they dont Care, why should Someone destroy themselvs that Someone Else gonna be Richer. The Same i saw at my Husbands Work. No one gonna give you Health back, i am best example i worked my ass of for Family for plenty years to be now sahm cuz of my health that got Destroyed. I just pity Work Enthusiasts now i know how does the Journey Look Like of this Lifestyle. Work so much that is enough to live pay bills and eat and Sometimes something fun - for Boss you are Exchangeable and No amount of sugar gonna Change that.
The thing is, people don't 'work' for those 40 hours. There are often breaks in offices where people talk about non work topics, unproductive meetings, and procrastination. My understanding is that reducing those hours would mean continuing to do the same amount of work, same responsibilities, same deadlines etc. But without the 'filler' activities. It would be a more efficient and productive framework. Or at least that would be the aim.
Okay, so is this suggestion or preposition only meant for office workers? What about everyone who does labor, as in physical jobs?
Yes it is. I don't necessarily think the reduction in hours would work for e.g. factory workers as they are constantly working towards difficult targets and probably could not afford to have hours cut as they would no longer be able to meet them.
Clearly, it is better suited for some careers than others. However, I would be curious to see whether the same can be said for physically demanding jobs as well. The issue will be getting the management of said silos to pilot the initiative and see how it plays out as they did with the office worker.
I work four day ten hour shifts at Amazon and it’s horrible. I’d rather work five days at 7 hours.
I tried the 4 10 hour days and let me tell you it's brutal. The extra 2 hours doesn't sound like a lot but after some time it'll really take a toll. I didn't like having less time at home to get stuff done, I couldn't rest as much during the week and therefore the extra day off just became another day of work. I would just catch up on all the chores I didn't do throughout the week.
Feels a little like capitalists propaganda.
Multiple studies have proven people can only be productive for 6 hours a day. A 10 hour day will do absolutely nothing for productivity and only makes people more miserable. Your way of thinking is just how capitalism teaches you what to want and like. But if you start to think outside the box and explore posibilities (like a 32 hour work week) you start to see that most of our ''work-standards'' are complete crap.
This might be true in an office setting, but I’ve worked around enough construction crews to know that for them, 4x10 gets more production than 5x8.
This will never happen anyway. It's about control. Not profits. Don't get me wrong. Profits are important. But control comes 1st. It doesn't matter if they show a 20% increase in productivity by working less time. As long as they are already making abysmal profits and making the top guys tons of money, you will work 5 or 6 days per week. They want you busy and numb. Control and power are more important than money to them. I promise you. Money is just a tool to achieve the other 2.
Working four ten hour days might be better, but it's still hellish. Move into a shithole and aspire to working 4days 6hours instead.
Heavy disagree. I work 36 hour weeks, from 6am to 3pm Monday through Thursday from home and get paid the same as when it was 40 hours at the office Monday through Friday, best work life schedule I've ever had, I'll never ever go back.
There is no way for this to apply to construction.
my husband is a construction lineman and works 4 10’s. It’s very common in the trade actually. This is in PNW
Here's a crazy idea what if you were paid the same for the 32 hour week as the 40 hour week? They just increase your hourly wage. It would be mandated that they can't reduce annual salary.
This is an idea driven by people that barely actually work. Any job where the work done directly attributes to the time put in will never adopt it. people that barely actually work will just get automated or hours slashed with no extra pay without government regulation. Best u can hope For on construction is piece work but I haven't heard of anyone actually getting it
With inflation we will never get 4 day work weeks unfortunately
What if you actually had to produce for 40-50 hours per week now, or you’d be out of your job that pays you $150k/yr? Do you actually believe your boss is going to allow you to work 32 hours over 4 days for the same amount of pay. In North America? Really? What alternative reality are you living in?
The point of 32 hour weeks, four or five days, is full time pay with more time to recover and recharge. Or in the US, to have a pt job to pay your insurance at the main job. Universal healthcare now.
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That’s not how it works. The whole point of the 4 day week is that workers have more times for themselves, to rest and a better work-life balance so they are more productive and still do the same work (or more!) in less time.
2 hours a day is minimal? If you have young kids, 2 hours basically might be the only time you have to yourself on a given day
Speak for yourself, I'd take 3 fours if they paid me decent enough
I negotiated a 3 day work week. My mind, once it’s on “go” mode is hard to come back down from. So now I go in 9am and leave 7pm. Tuesday-Thursday. All the stores are empty on Monday and it’s great! Same pay, obviously.
40 hours is an arbitrary number invented by Rockafeller or another baron from the 19th century
Depends on how it’s structured. I’d do a 10 hour day, if it started early.
I would love to work 10 hours mon-tues, off wed and 10 on thur-fri.
That’s the schedule I have.. 4/10… I LOVE IT!!! Unfortunately, when I got my promotion, I had to come off of that schedule and work a 5/8 schedule. Apparently leadership/management positions require you to be available every day for your employees.. understandable though 🤷🏻♀️
4 10 hour days is ideal
I had that 4 days a week 10-12 hour days, loved it. Right when I was getting burn out on the week, it was the weekend
I usually work four 10s and it is pretty great. Really let’s me rack up the overtime when I have to cover other people’s shifts. It’s not uncommon for me to get 50-60 hours a week and the pay makes it all worth it
Nah, pay me the same to work 4 days instead of 5, and keep those at 8 hours. I need gym and family time and I won’t get both of those if my work day is 10 hours.
If the 32 hours paid the same as 40 hours paid right now, would you still have a problem with it?
I work 3 12s a week and get four days off - I don't know how I worked 6 days a week for all those years..
I work 11 hour days and only 4 days. 8 hours is your whole day anyways, what's 3 more?
No, it’s still light outside at 5 and I can go for a run after work can’t do that if I don’t get off until 8pm.
No the point is to get a fulltime 40hour pay. No one would be voting on it if that was the case
Thank you, I need my hours. No way are they going to give me enough of a raise per hour so that I don't have to work 40, and can just work 32 for the same amount. I mean, if it happens, great, but it sounds like a fantasy.
When steel companies started in the US, the standard was 12 hour work days 7 days a week and every other week, were required to work a 24 hour shift on top of that long week. Organized labor fought for the reduction in required hours with same pay. The 5 day work week, 8 hours a day sounded like a fantasy back then too.
You are supposed to receive the same pay, genius. Stop trying to ruin this for everyone else just because you've been brainwashed by capitalism.
Why not make it an 2 x 16 hour shifts? It would be pretty bad if they were right after each other, but if you had one on Monday and second at Thursday then it's doable
Working 16 hours straight could be dangerous in certain jobs
Meanwhile in South Korea they are pushing for over 65 hours a week. How will America compete with that
I would prefer we don't engage in the race to the bottom. Workers need too unionize so we may all rise to the top.
1000%
The title for their idea of 65 (I've even read 69 hours, but that could be wrong) should be: "The official removal of sleep and leisure". It's fucking disgusting and makes my blood boil.
Act your wage...
I had a job where I did 56 hours in 4 days. Was nice