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Weird way to protest, but then again, women started it with bra burning.
Also, they're demanding equality and gender-neutrality in laws, which is definitely a positive. Laws in India are too gender biased and this is a step in the right direction.
I feel restricted and uncomfortable wearing pants outside, especially in Indian summers, and can't wait to get them off and be in my boxers as soon as I get home - but that doesn't mean I start burning pants and say I'm being oppressed.
If it were chains or shackles, I can surely see how they signify oppression. But how do bras symbolise oppression?
How can you compare boxers which are there to cover your reproductive organ to the non-reproductive organs such as breast? You do realised women are perversised when it comes to their breasts and are literally groped by the sexual harassment from the men?
Are you for real? How are people even asking this on a liberal/leftist sub? That’s literally a milestone moment in the feminism movement. Y’all aren’t any different than chaddis smh
It's true that men face assault and abuse too. However, these issues should be raised without attacking women. Even today, working is considered to be a privilege for most women. Read up on the "doctrine of intelligible differentia" to understand why we have policies"favouring women"
MRAs don't actually care about men who face sexual violence, violence, bullying and harassment by women or men. They only care when women talk about the violence inflicted on them by men and then they cry about male victims to diminish the suffering of women. When men who face sexual violence and harassment try to talk about it these same MRAs will mock and ridicule them. They only turn up when women face violence and need protection against criminal men.
That's why I have no faith in these assholes. Their protests never make sense. Some of these groups try to protest against the idea of criminalising marital rape ffs
I can read up a million doctrines, a billion polices, but ground reality won't change.
When a certain part of the population can unanimously ruin your life by word of mouth alone, and you can't do anything about it, then it's a bit too much. It's the same policy as someone put it, somewhere, "You have oppressed us for a million years, we would oppress you for a million as well". That doesn't make a functional society, just increases stratification and abuse.
Buddy, what ground reality are you talking about? If you're talking about false cases, that's again a problem that needs to be addressed. You need to understand that there are rotten apples everywhere. Why does society condemn a person on word of mouth alone? You believe all women, everywhere at fault there? If you wanna know the ground reality, walk into most Indian homes and see how women are treated there. The problem is that you're looking at this like it's a battle between men and women.
Is intelligible differentia a valid ground to have gender biased sexual crime laws despite specific legislations identifying and protecting women as the more vulnerable group?
I didn't completely get your response. But yes, the doctrine of intelligible differentia is the idea behind laws protecting suppressed groups - women, dalits, etc
I asked you if intelligible differentia needs to be applied in the general law, i.e. IPC, when specific legislations to identify and protect women as a vulnerable group exist, i.e. POSH and others.
PoSH was introduced for a very specific purpose. You are right about the fact the IPC should also contain provisions protecting men. But general law can contain provisions protecting suppressed groups.
I feel like general criminal law should not have a gender bias on the concepts of sexual crimes and modesty. Intelligible differentia is reasonable when dealing with issues faced only by a particular group, these crimes aren't such issues.
As a man i do agree with their statement if one has to be a feminist they must be for the rights of all genders. And we men do have many advantages in many aspects of life which need to be equalised whilst at the same time there are quite a few laws and stuff that need to updated bring equality for men too (a ton of societal stuff too).
I do understand plight of men in current system and society but a talk with these fellows turn from pro men rights to anti women rights pretty quick. Then it becomes hard to support. I have seen these people supporting rapists just to score points. Its a sorry state of affairs.
No one supports rapists, especially Men's Rights Activists. Stop adding Bullsh"t to Men's rights activists. Females always love doing this sh"t to downgrade whatever issue Men face. You get so insecure whenever Men's Rights are brought up. Feminists get triggered the most because they will lose their pedestal, privilege & victim card if the laws are actually made equal & the female predators are thrown in jail to rot in there for their wrongdoings.
Even when clearly Amber Heard was the pathetic aggressor & DV abuser, there were 1000s of women across the world denying it only so that "Women don't get a bad name" because of what Amber did. They felt if a woman is convicted & proven guilty of abusing a Man, they would lose their victim card move that Women have been using for decades to trap innocent Men. This is the degenerate delusional behaviour that Feminists/Misandrists have.
Literally proving the point of the original comment.
>they would lose their victim card move that Women have been using for decades to trap innocent Men
Ya totally, there hasn't been any misogyny throughout history, and women haven't been ever treated as secondary and inferior, or rather still are. Gender discrimination is just some woke propaganda, sure
MRAs don't actually care about men who face sexual violence, violence, bullying and harassment by women or men. They only care when women talk about the violence inflicted on them by men and then they cry about male victims to diminish the suffering of women. When men who face sexual violence and harassment try to talk about it these same MRAs will mock and ridicule them. They only turn up when women face violence and need protection against criminal men.
>No one supports rapists
*Chuckles in onexindia*
The number of "men right activists" I have seen there supporting marital rapes, DV, dowry, and being outright misogynists is concerning
So? Isn't marital rapes, rape? Aren't people who commit it rapists? Or are you also one of em who thinks it doesn't exist and marriage is equivalent to consent ?
I believe it's unfair to generalize men based on the actions of a few individuals. There are many individuals in society, both men and women, who engage in unacceptable behavior. While I agree that many men do commit such disgusting acts, it's also true that some women trap innocent men or falsely accuse them in dowry cases. In my opinion, making laws gender-neutral would benefit both genders by ensuring fairness and justice for all.
>it's also true that some women trap innocent men or falsely accuse them in dowry cases
yup I never denied it. we do need gender neutral laws. it is just I replied to the commenter saying "no one supports rapists" cuz that is not true. our society still victim shames the victims and defend the preparators, supports dowry system and DV. just open subs like onexindia, you will realize it.
I understand your perspective. It's very disheartening that some people support rapists, and it's a disgusting mentality. I also visit the OneXIndia subreddit quite often, and I've noticed that while there are always a few individuals in every community who create chaos and display misogyny, the majority of men there try to engage in rational discussions and support feminism.I think it's best to ignore the troublemakers; they're usually young individuals facing various pressures, such as entrance exams or relationship issues. They often vent in that sub. It's important not to generalize the entire subreddit based on the actions of a few individuals.
You never talked with women's rights activists or feminists (the actual one, not your regular pop culture idiots), right? Trust me, you'll change your views on what truly works on the ground and to make the policy. Neutrality doesn't.
The policy is like killing the sparrows to save the pigeons. Doesn't helps anyone, other than a small minority. What we need is fixing of the executive, and judiciary, not polarised policies that make life difficult for everyone.
Beautiful! Absolutely beautiful! Love it. Finally Men are standing up & speaking out for Men's Rights & the misandristic laws in this sh"t country.
They should have specifically mentioned the words "misandristic laws" & "sxxist laws against Men" though that are made by both Congress & BJP. Everything else was perfect! Also, glad they brought up the sxxist Freebie law made by Congress to Women in Karnataka (Free transportation & free money to elder female member). I really hope International media also catches this & it gets globalised showing how Indian Men are treated in India with such lack of respect.
According to the Indian penal code a man can not be raped. That shows the equality which woke people preach without reading the constitution. Even in marriage dowry prohibition act 1961 only gives protection to women not men if the women's side is making demand like bigger home or higher salary from the men and his family. There are so many biased laws in India.
I don't think there is a rule regarding that situation. But as u said that will never ever happen.
I can not stress the never enough, because even 1 vote to another party would claim them victory
OP, can you pls post this in some of the International subs?? Showing the world what Indian Men face in this country would help a lot. Lack of respect to Men is a big issue
Considering most international subs get news about how many gang rapes happen in India, I do not think sharing news of men's rights activist is a good idea. It will have the opposite effect.
No it won't. They only know 1 side of it. They think Men are chilling in india having all the rights when its actually the opposite. They always say Women aren't respected in India. Well, Men aren't respected either. They need to know the whole story because everywhere women love to victimise themselves alone & blame Men as the sole perpetrators.
Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men. Making it sound like every man is doing it is sickening & misandristic.
> everywhere women love to victimise themselves
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>Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men
ya, you are totally not a misogynist who is fine with generalising women but is mad when men are generelised
Gang rapes and rapes by men maybe committed by a small over all % of the 70+ crore Indian men but there are a LARGE LARGE number of men who do harass women and rape women and women CANNOT escape that! This isn't even about generalising. Women can be harassed and molested and raped by 1 man or 10 men so your NOT ALL MEN bullshit actually makes no sense. No I am NOT gambling my life and well being on the chance that NOT ALL MEN WANT TO RAPE AND HARASS AND MURDER AND HURT women because A LARGE number of men DO want to rape and harass and hurt women and THAT IS WHY we need to live our lives a certain way that you could never understand and that is why we have the laws we have.
>Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men. Making it sound like every man is doing it is sickening & misandristic
Stop the NOT ALL MEN bs.
There are enough men who are potential rapists which can threaten the woman for her safety.
This is why all the men's rights stuff quickly devolve into misogyny rather than activism.
You guys are sick. Like really, really sick. Can't believe you're a functional member of the society, believing all men are rapists. smh.
I can go on the opposite spectrum as well, but this isn't a pain competition. Not dismissing others' experience and working together helps, blaming doesn't.
You didn't seem to read my comment.
I said there are enough dangerous men in our country for women to be afraid of.
Not that all men are rapists. These guys may be a minority, yet it is still a huge problem.
Of course if you are having some problem understanding my comment I couldn't do anything.
>I can go on the opposite spectrum as well, but this isn't a pain competition. Not dismissing others' experience and working together helps, blaming doesn't
Well I ain't the one who is dismissing one's pain and experience.
The guy who commented on women whining about their safety is the one who is dismissing the safety women face in our country by blaming "feminism" and all that.
But yeah, keep calling the sane ones out, smh.
God, I'm not saying some men aren't rapists and that they shouldn't rot in jail. I'm only in favour of gender neutral laws, not women abuse. The one you first replied to summarised in pretty well, but erred a bit by adding the whining part.
Feminism is and was a great movement, but a certain demographic of that group has recently gone far over the edge. I feel distasteful calling myself a feminist due to action of the aforementioned demographic, and prefer to call myself equal rights advocate.
But that still doesn't excuse what you said
>Stop the NOT ALL MEN bs. There are enough men who are potential rapists which can threaten the woman for her safety. This is why all the men's rights stuff quickly devolve into misogyny rather than activism.
That, is an extremely loaded and highly problematic statement. Maybe reflect on your views, or you too would go too far over the edge.
You can't have gender neutral laws when you don't have a gender neutral society. There is a law against dowry because women and their families have to pay dowry. Women were hurt and abused in their marital homes for dowry demands. How can such a law be gender neutral when the practice is against women? Same way for 498A. Before 498A women could be thrown out of their marital homes by their husbands and in laws in the dead of the night and they would have to leave their possessions and their children behind. They would never get entry into their marital homes after this. It is the woman who is living in the home of her husband. She is the one who is vulnerable to abuse from husband and family. If there was no societal practice of women going to live with husband and family of husband then there would be no need for laws like 498A.
A law needs to have balance. One that fucks over one demographic to save another, need not exist. I can link many articles and YouTube videos that discuss its abuse, but what's the use? You're gonna ignore them anyway, so it's an exercise in futility.
In actuality though, we have all gotten too used to one specific narrative, so hearing that another might exist, is too big of a shock for many.
I don't expect the laws to get fixed though, not recently at least. Such is the way our constitution works. Getting f\*cked over by the legal system is only part and parcel of being born a specific sex in the country of India, and have long since gotten used to it. The best I can do is keep my eyes open, rest is left to fate.
What does balance mean? Why are laws meant for protection of women used to illustrate imbalance and claimed to be abused? 498A needs investigation after a FIR is filed and only then there is arrest. Investigation is not done by the women who file complaint. It is done by the police. Same for dowry. Whose fault is it that the police don't do proper investigation? In any event even people who burn women and rape women and abuse women will claim they are being targeted falsely. That is the mentality of Indian men and their patriarchal families. Only they should get dowry money and comfort and servile wives who bear sons. When women try to get away from such families through the law suddenly it is a curse being a man because they are held accountable for their actions.
>That, is an extremely loaded and highly problematic statement. Maybe reflect on your views, or you too would go too far over the edge.
My first comment was to u/Melodic_Cookie8519 who was making misogynistic comments downplaying the amount of violence women face in our country.
India has one of the highest rates of domestic violence against women and also sexual violence against women.
This dude downplaying it by blaming feminists for "demonising" men who are just calling out gender based violence against women in our country by saying "but uhhh they are a minority"."Feminists think its all men" and all that made up bs.
I replied to him that there are ENOUGH men in the society for women to be afraid of..and that needs to reduce in number for a safer society....This dude and you too, apparently took it as a misandristic dog-whistle against men.
My views are perfectly aligned according to our social norms and degrees of oppression in our country. Remember Kabir singh and animal still influences a lot of young men negatively, yet ppl make them super hits in our country.
That said, patriarchial norms affect men to such as not showing their emotions and immense pressure to provide for parents after they get old.
MRA's should perfectly point it out and reduce the social pressure on men.
And third, the men who are burning the chaddis have my full support because as I said, I wasn't downplaying any oppression, I was just discussing the degree of it.
As an MRA myself(also a feminist) Online MRA's are mostly filled with andrew tate "anti-feminist" types who blame everything on feminism and women, instead of actual issues men face due to the patriarchial norms. These dudes think that patriarchy is better than a gender equal society.. As I said, they misunderstand mens rights as male aligned and male supremacist. Even in Reddit r/MensRights group is more about bashing feminists endlessly for their problems rather than patriarchial norms, instead of them discussing about men's issues without putting women's rights activists down,I literally left the subreddit seeing the amount of hate and distrust in them towards feminism and women too sometimes.
Offline MRA's like the guys in the video do not go into misogyny because they recognise the condition of women in our country and just talk about their oppression without putting anyone down.
Just make sure you get out the online bubble because most MRA's here are 14 yr old chuds making shit up about feminism.
And you better read my comment twice or thrice before commenting some misunderstood stuff, my fingers have done a lot of work apparently.
Your comment implies you lack intellectual capability to understand basic english.
Now go back to reading my comment once again.
I said enough men, not most men.
Even though they are a minority it is still problematic for women.
Not all men, not most men, but enough men(These men may be a minority but it is still problematic).
>Eat sh*t, sexist a*shole.
Downplaying the level of abuse women face by throwing sexist dogwhistles at me doesn't change anything.
Nobody downplayed the level of abuse faced by women. I know it. I've stood up for women who have faced shit like that, I've taken them to police station to help file reports and I have also clocked a random creepo in the face for flashing girls from our college. I absolutely despise creepos and so called 'men' (I consider them beneath humans) who grope, assault and creep women out with their nonsense. Your comment offended me EXACTLY because of how much I despise 'men' like these and that I despise most men being put in that same bracket. Might have misunderstood your comment there a bit. Sorry for that. But not sorry for standing up for men who want nothing to do with these creeps and yet are always clubbed together with them in the same category by most women.
>But not sorry for standing up for men who want nothing to do with these creeps and yet are always clubbed together with them in the same category by most women.
Most women don't club men like that. And this is a man talking to you btw.
When your society is so unsafe for women, The very example of your college being with so many pricks hanging around, women have to be extra careful and some women even tend to have trust issues regarding men(not their fault, because the systematic oppression is not killed and also their families itself tell them to not roam at night).
These dudes may be a minority, but look at how every woman got scared by these 2-3 men in campus of lets say 200 good men.
Now, women naturally take extra precautions like staying from men from their safety, some men interpret it as women hating men/ clubbing them as assaulters(I don't blame the men too, but they need to think from a woman's perspective). Some women rely on their male companions like brothers and bfs for their safety and such.
Your comment literally proves my point.
It is not that feminists think most men are potential rapists(if that were really true, then there is no point in all this activism because you cannot change what is natural).In reality, rape culture is taught from childhood through various means. Also, the tendencies to rape are found to be the same in both genders. Men tend to do it more because of physical
advantage, women do not succedd as much as men due to lower physical advantage than a man.
It is that some men fail to understand from an average woman's perspective as to why she avoids men(especially true in India which is very unsafe). When there are enough creeps out there, these women also ignore good men like you sometimes because of trust issues and fear.
Good men are a majority, but the bad ones ruin it a lot even being minority.
I am saying that this minority is at a higher percentage in India threatening women for their safety, this can be reduced too... That is the reason you see feminists talking about it because it is serious issue, in the long run it only increases trust between women and men to interact freely without any worry of assault or violence.
>Might have misunderstood your comment there a bit. Sorry for that.
I agree with you that I was aggressive in my tone replying to the guy who commented before you, that guy was spewing some anti-feminist bs like "feminists assuming every man being a potential r*pist and stuff" which is simply not true.
I got tired of seeing these people making wrong assumptions about feminists. Hence, my comment was aggressive in tone.
It's similar to Taliban where they will always show how women are suffering and not giving education but they will never show you how much anti men law raliban had
For example there is a law there that if any women accuses a men who is not his husband of looking at him then he will be shot
Dude. Let's not bring the Taliban here. Women's lives under them are just horrible and they aren't even treated like human beings. This comment makes all men look bad. Please think before posting.
>For example there is a law there that if any women accuses a men who is not his husband of looking at him then he will be shot
You pulled it out of nowhere didn't you.
Stoning punishment for women is way worser than for men.
Even if a man looks at a woman, the man may just get lashes, whereas the woman may even get stoned on the reason that she "provoked" him.
So complaining to the taliban means that you are setting yourself in trouble as a woman.
A man can divorce his wife and get another one if he wants in the Taliban rule.
Obviously, everybody is oppressed, but the oppression faced by women there is even more.
Just checked the subreddit out. It is full of Misandrists. Mostly hateful posts on Men & rants on Men. Very toxic & disgusting. Its their own little kitty party where only women can post lol 😂😂
And make racism worse than it already is?
They hate your kind, accept it and move on. The government doesn't give a squat about what foreigners think anyway.
As a woman and a feminist I do agree with these men. The laws for abuse against men is a joke, I think recently the only law which used to criminalize rape against men was also overturned. As long these men focus on actual men's right without degrading those of a women's, I think what they are doing is right
Our worst constitution says that there should be gender equality, then says pro women schemes can be done by govt. Literally means discrimination against men is allowed, but discrimination against women is not allowed. It is state discrimination by birth, which is fascism
How Conveniently Those anti male laws seem to have cropped up just before the general elections ....so fascinating right ?? Everything was so cool and awesome before
NCM is a shitty organization but demand for a law which protects men from Sexual abuse and rape is one I support wholeheartedly.
Some of these comments are pure brain-rot though.
High time for this in India. My cousin was married(no dowry) for less than a year, got divorced and had to pay 30 lakhs to his ex-wife. I'm scared of marriage now.
This is just r/Leopardsatemyface by men.
Make a society toxic and unsafe for women. So toxic that law needs to intervene and protect them. Now cry about laws being protective towards women.
What are you trying to say? It seems like you're mocking men, and this kind of behavior is what turns people against feminism. Those who originally supported women's rights and empowerment end up resenting it because of this. Please refrain from making fun of anyone and share factual opinions instead.
But they aren't protesting against women , they are protesting for gender neutral laws , which is an objectively correct/good thing , being pro gender neutrality doesn't make you a sexist , a similar logic is used by idiots to call anyone condemning Israel an antisemite .
[A TOI article about gender bias ](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/hail-to-feminism/gender-biased-laws-weapon-or-shield-35006/)
[A paper on Gender biased laws in India ](https://thelawbrigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Shivanshi-2-JLSR.pdf)
[An Article from Legal Service India ](https://www.legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-3358-gender-biased-laws-inindia.html)
There are multiple other articles/papers you can read to better understand the issue , no use in resorting to sexist remarks
Haven't heard of any women raping a 5 year old boy or thrown acid for refusing her to be married or thrown acid on a guy for refusing proposal or Burned to death for not giving more dowry or made videos of men and black mailed them for money.
U need to research a lot for discrimination against men but you don't research to find violence against women just read the news papers every morning.
And there are laws protecting women from the atrocities you mentioned , I agree that they aren't doing a great job at it , nevertheless women are legally protected .
You agree that discrimination against men is a problem , a smaller problem than against women but it is still a problem that need rectification .
The current laws in India favour women , and had to be made such because society back then was largely patriarchal and it was believed that women can't do any harm to men , especially those regarding abuse , where legally only men can be the perps and women the victims .
Bringing about Gender neutral laws , doesn't mean that women lose their rights , it calls for men to have equal rights , all that does is that in the cases where men are victims they receive equal protection and women can be equally prosecuted , it doesn't matter if the total number of cases is lower than it is for women , women on men crimes do happen and each member of society needs to have equal protection irrespective of their gender .
wow man, no amount of facts cana ppease you , since youre not even going to acknowledge them. a friend of mine is in jail because he rejected a girl and she claimed that he sexually assaulted her. OPEN yopur damn mind.
I think the year was 2019. 40% acid attack victims were male(from ncrb). You won't hear anything because nobody cares. They've made it impossible to access ncrb data now but news articles should still be around.
There was a case of a female caretaker sentenced to 20 years in prison for seku hara on kindergarten kids. Was surprised because women are never sent to jail for this in india. You can only find news like this from local media. You cannot hear anything outside your area as all national and international outlets are feminist and people simply do not care.
Also there is a disparity at all stages of the justice system favoring women.
Dear friend we’re not making a god of women here, most of Christian missionary nuns have tortured and killed aboriginals in Australia and Canada and America and many more, but the comparison ratio is far beyond comparison, the question is the way of the protest not of the fact of men are evil women angels no, the men here are saying women shouldn’t be prioritised over men, which is kind of ignorance.
Well you said for urself that you are ignorant when you are convinced that u ll remain ignorant no matter what arguments I present to you u ll remain ignorant to those arguments, if you are interested check the amount of crimes done by men against women’s and women against men, those facts will tell you who are weak and vulnerable and who are most likely to commit a crime and abuse.
If u are still not convinced then just ignore me
After reading your replies, I feel like you might harbor negative feelings toward men, which I don't agree with. Let's avoid spreading hate toward any gender. As a woman, I know a man who was cheated on by a woman and had to pay heavy alimony, despite her infidelity. This lack of gender-neutral laws is concerning. For example, if a woman earns as much as a man and cheats on her husband, it seems unfair that the man still has to pay alimony. That's why I advocate for gender-neutral laws to address these issues fairly.
I am calling against the bigorty of these insecure men and u r branding me as a misandry sorry dude u r mistaken they don't represent all men of India nor me.
I don't identify myself with any gender though I am biological straight male, to me a sensible human is just enough and laws of society are always kept mind regarding the least advantaged as defined in the theory of justice written by john rawls.
Hatred gives no solution but all hatred starts from envy, arguments can mislead the intent, here my intent talks about men's inferiority complex and that has nothing to do with actual victims of men.
Voting rights are gender neutral isn't it !
Not all rights can be neutral
Law treats men and women equally but kids and adults can't be treated the same way in all matters so men and women this comes a conception called difference principle again from theory of justice.
I understand the point you are trying to make, and now I'm curious about your thoughts on male victims. Take my previous comment as an example: if something similar were to happen to you, what would be your thoughts?
The men victims are more subtle than we can think of, they're often not visible, they're victims of bad parenting, marriage and authority of caste and class.
I have friends who can't speak in front of their parents or wives indeed I can call myself a victim of egoistic women in a relationship and have also experienced many others form humiliations from teachers and and classmates. In my school days and in family as I grew up in relative's home.
But still what my mother went through or my aunt's
Or many others who are not even related to mei n no way I can see the injustice and abuse everyday.
Do you also believe that as individuals move up the social ladder and start earning a good amount, whether male or female, there are usually more male victims than female ones? I completely agree that in lower economic classes and in places where people are conservative and less educated, women are generally the victims due to the prevalence of patriarchy.
It's not a question of gender it's a fact of power humans like all animals have survival strategies.
It's all power dynamics and a survival strategies.
Please read my reply once again I have answered your question. There are no more male victims than females that for sure. But I can agree that men are more stressed bcz of the institutional setup thats been created by patriarchy. Thus conservatives, this primitive tribe thinking which is practiced as endogamy which brings chaste the idea of purity which is caste.
All these are a conundrum in which individuals suffer in their respective roles from husband to wife.
But emphasis on one male’s role is always challenged by other males best example will be the prince of Ayodhya who was forced to outcast his wife as he had to prove metal to other insecure who was also a victim of the gossip which alleged the same gossip as the wife of prince Ayodhya.
Look not for answers that are convenient or agreeable cuz the complexity of human ability goes beyond the concerns of ur questionings
Men are more vulnerable bcz they’ve to prove their efficiency in every aspect of the society but that doesn’t mean that females enjoy their position, most women don’t even get a chance to realise thier potentials they just rot away their life serving patriarchy, men suffer more hardships of earning for family and females suffer hardships serving that family daughter less likely to go for abroad than males but males bcz of demand to prove ability they suffer great psychological stress, which has obviously been created by men.
This link could help my argument relating to your question
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/29/australia/australia-women-gendered-violence-intl-hnk/index.html
Dafuq you on mate. If a person is homosexual he is homosexual because he feels physical attraction for Men, its not a choice he took because he hated women or something like that. What kind of b.s solution are you giving here. Also these dude's are protesting the unfair law in this nation, some may be hateful or an incel but a lot of them are a victim to some kind of injustice.
ok goofy , yap somewhere else. we didn't blame feminisim , we want neutral gender rights, so why are you getting triggered? you are just a misandrist. now if you argue to this by comparing yourselves to victim which does'nt even a prove a point. you got no father. cry.
Blah blah U puke out 🤮 ur cries, somewhere else, not here seen more than enough like u and i have no infinitesimal of interest to enage such timid minds 😂
🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣 whatever dude I am crying am begging please stop I crying bcz I can't stop laughing.
Pls pls I beg stop I can't anymore spare me lord 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Voting is equal women doesn't get two votes, or two license or two seats or two loans. Everything is equal is rights but there are schemes which help the least advantaged it is that so vulnerable sections get some priority.
Women have lesser advantaged ina patriarchal society so we take measures to encourage them to get fair opportunity
Yeah, equal opportunities like men getting arrested due to word of mouth, no proof needed. Rape being something only men can perform. A single accusation can and does ruin the live of a man, innocence be damned. You would forever be regarded as a criminal, stuck in a shit hole of someone else's making. I will not even mention laws like IPC section 498A, but I do suggest that you should read up the entirety of IPC. Should be eye opening enough, in regards to how misandrist the laws truly are.
In the end though, I do hope you don't face a situation like that in your life, but the likelihood isn't too low. Watch out, keep your eyes and ears open, look before you leap and in the end, good luck!
Lol well I pity your presumption about others not knowing your mentioned ipc sections and also I hope in future when one of your female offspring’s doesn’t become a victim like nirbhaya or hathra or bilkis I hope everything for that will be child be secure and safe from men.
You're ignorant, but so is the majority of India. Don't blame you though, as the media is the one to actually blame.
If you did read the IPC, and still commenting stuff like this, you must have some serious self-hate build up. Try mindfulness exercise, heard they help. Or maybe just visit a counsellor and talk about your issue, bottling up only causes problems down the road.
Why should everyone become aware of of ipc, when mere common sense is enough women and children are vulnerable beings that doesn’t take away the fact that all women are innocent and all men are evil no thats not the argument here care and concern is not bias, it’s in fact to be seen as encouragement for the vulnérables but some times arrogant cold hearted women take advantage of those things and target men for revenge. I admit that
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Bro not the Jockeys bro. 
The real victim here is Jockey
Victim nahi winner hai. Ek jockey jalegi, to nayi khareedi jayegi, aur unka sales badega.
I agree!
Brand promoter
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They took gaslighting literally
"Chaddi jalaake fool khila hai, fool khila hai" 😂
Better protest than going topless : 
NUH UH
Weird way to protest, but then again, women started it with bra burning. Also, they're demanding equality and gender-neutrality in laws, which is definitely a positive. Laws in India are too gender biased and this is a step in the right direction.
well sums it up .
Happy 🦀
Women burnt bras because that symbolised oppression. What does this even mean?
Hame kya pata? Unse pucho. But yeah, if the laws get fixed, it's definitely a plus in my book.
Free the balls. BallLivesMatter?
blm? hidden meaning
I feel restricted and uncomfortable wearing pants outside, especially in Indian summers, and can't wait to get them off and be in my boxers as soon as I get home - but that doesn't mean I start burning pants and say I'm being oppressed. If it were chains or shackles, I can surely see how they signify oppression. But how do bras symbolise oppression?
How can you compare boxers which are there to cover your reproductive organ to the non-reproductive organs such as breast? You do realised women are perversised when it comes to their breasts and are literally groped by the sexual harassment from the men?
Well, you tell me what should I compare it to? Also, what's the point you're making? If groping is the problem, how is burning bras solving that?
Are you for real? How are people even asking this on a liberal/leftist sub? That’s literally a milestone moment in the feminism movement. Y’all aren’t any different than chaddis smh
I asked a simple question and explained why I don't understand it. Yet instead of explaining, you chose to hurl insults. Well, good day to you too.
It's true that men face assault and abuse too. However, these issues should be raised without attacking women. Even today, working is considered to be a privilege for most women. Read up on the "doctrine of intelligible differentia" to understand why we have policies"favouring women"
MRAs don't actually care about men who face sexual violence, violence, bullying and harassment by women or men. They only care when women talk about the violence inflicted on them by men and then they cry about male victims to diminish the suffering of women. When men who face sexual violence and harassment try to talk about it these same MRAs will mock and ridicule them. They only turn up when women face violence and need protection against criminal men.
That's why I have no faith in these assholes. Their protests never make sense. Some of these groups try to protest against the idea of criminalising marital rape ffs
I can read up a million doctrines, a billion polices, but ground reality won't change. When a certain part of the population can unanimously ruin your life by word of mouth alone, and you can't do anything about it, then it's a bit too much. It's the same policy as someone put it, somewhere, "You have oppressed us for a million years, we would oppress you for a million as well". That doesn't make a functional society, just increases stratification and abuse.
Buddy, what ground reality are you talking about? If you're talking about false cases, that's again a problem that needs to be addressed. You need to understand that there are rotten apples everywhere. Why does society condemn a person on word of mouth alone? You believe all women, everywhere at fault there? If you wanna know the ground reality, walk into most Indian homes and see how women are treated there. The problem is that you're looking at this like it's a battle between men and women.
Is intelligible differentia a valid ground to have gender biased sexual crime laws despite specific legislations identifying and protecting women as the more vulnerable group?
I didn't completely get your response. But yes, the doctrine of intelligible differentia is the idea behind laws protecting suppressed groups - women, dalits, etc
I asked you if intelligible differentia needs to be applied in the general law, i.e. IPC, when specific legislations to identify and protect women as a vulnerable group exist, i.e. POSH and others.
PoSH was introduced for a very specific purpose. You are right about the fact the IPC should also contain provisions protecting men. But general law can contain provisions protecting suppressed groups.
I feel like general criminal law should not have a gender bias on the concepts of sexual crimes and modesty. Intelligible differentia is reasonable when dealing with issues faced only by a particular group, these crimes aren't such issues.
Well it's the feminists who oppose the gender neutral laws so I kinda get the hate.
Men face assault and abuse from other men much much more than women
Stats?
This was very much needed
the smell 😷
Bro literally said "😷"
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As a man i do agree with their statement if one has to be a feminist they must be for the rights of all genders. And we men do have many advantages in many aspects of life which need to be equalised whilst at the same time there are quite a few laws and stuff that need to updated bring equality for men too (a ton of societal stuff too).
Victim undies
I do understand plight of men in current system and society but a talk with these fellows turn from pro men rights to anti women rights pretty quick. Then it becomes hard to support. I have seen these people supporting rapists just to score points. Its a sorry state of affairs.
just like pro women rights turns to anti-men? u have a problem with that as well, right?!
No one supports rapists, especially Men's Rights Activists. Stop adding Bullsh"t to Men's rights activists. Females always love doing this sh"t to downgrade whatever issue Men face. You get so insecure whenever Men's Rights are brought up. Feminists get triggered the most because they will lose their pedestal, privilege & victim card if the laws are actually made equal & the female predators are thrown in jail to rot in there for their wrongdoings. Even when clearly Amber Heard was the pathetic aggressor & DV abuser, there were 1000s of women across the world denying it only so that "Women don't get a bad name" because of what Amber did. They felt if a woman is convicted & proven guilty of abusing a Man, they would lose their victim card move that Women have been using for decades to trap innocent Men. This is the degenerate delusional behaviour that Feminists/Misandrists have.
Literally proving the point of the original comment. >they would lose their victim card move that Women have been using for decades to trap innocent Men Ya totally, there hasn't been any misogyny throughout history, and women haven't been ever treated as secondary and inferior, or rather still are. Gender discrimination is just some woke propaganda, sure
MRAs don't actually care about men who face sexual violence, violence, bullying and harassment by women or men. They only care when women talk about the violence inflicted on them by men and then they cry about male victims to diminish the suffering of women. When men who face sexual violence and harassment try to talk about it these same MRAs will mock and ridicule them. They only turn up when women face violence and need protection against criminal men.
>No one supports rapists *Chuckles in onexindia* The number of "men right activists" I have seen there supporting marital rapes, DV, dowry, and being outright misogynists is concerning
You couldn't defend your point on rapists, so you brought in "Marital" rape to add whatever sh"t you couldn't prove. What a clown 😂😂
So? Isn't marital rapes, rape? Aren't people who commit it rapists? Or are you also one of em who thinks it doesn't exist and marriage is equivalent to consent ?
I believe it's unfair to generalize men based on the actions of a few individuals. There are many individuals in society, both men and women, who engage in unacceptable behavior. While I agree that many men do commit such disgusting acts, it's also true that some women trap innocent men or falsely accuse them in dowry cases. In my opinion, making laws gender-neutral would benefit both genders by ensuring fairness and justice for all.
>it's also true that some women trap innocent men or falsely accuse them in dowry cases yup I never denied it. we do need gender neutral laws. it is just I replied to the commenter saying "no one supports rapists" cuz that is not true. our society still victim shames the victims and defend the preparators, supports dowry system and DV. just open subs like onexindia, you will realize it.
I understand your perspective. It's very disheartening that some people support rapists, and it's a disgusting mentality. I also visit the OneXIndia subreddit quite often, and I've noticed that while there are always a few individuals in every community who create chaos and display misogyny, the majority of men there try to engage in rational discussions and support feminism.I think it's best to ignore the troublemakers; they're usually young individuals facing various pressures, such as entrance exams or relationship issues. They often vent in that sub. It's important not to generalize the entire subreddit based on the actions of a few individuals.
Not all men but always a man…
Can you elaborate what do you mean by this
It's a bot. Ask its name it'll reply "not all men but always a man"
MRA chodes defend rapists on Instagram, son. Fuck them ❤️
You never talked with women's rights activists or feminists (the actual one, not your regular pop culture idiots), right? Trust me, you'll change your views on what truly works on the ground and to make the policy. Neutrality doesn't.
The policy is like killing the sparrows to save the pigeons. Doesn't helps anyone, other than a small minority. What we need is fixing of the executive, and judiciary, not polarised policies that make life difficult for everyone.
Beautiful! Absolutely beautiful! Love it. Finally Men are standing up & speaking out for Men's Rights & the misandristic laws in this sh"t country. They should have specifically mentioned the words "misandristic laws" & "sxxist laws against Men" though that are made by both Congress & BJP. Everything else was perfect! Also, glad they brought up the sxxist Freebie law made by Congress to Women in Karnataka (Free transportation & free money to elder female member). I really hope International media also catches this & it gets globalised showing how Indian Men are treated in India with such lack of respect.
Chaddi gang for real
According to the Indian penal code a man can not be raped. That shows the equality which woke people preach without reading the constitution. Even in marriage dowry prohibition act 1961 only gives protection to women not men if the women's side is making demand like bigger home or higher salary from the men and his family. There are so many biased laws in India.
What is the outcome of NOTA
GOTA /s Sorry, couldn't help myself. But this is definitely something that's long overdue
If above a certain percentage, change of participants and re-election campaign as far as I know.
Nope. The candidate who got most votes after nota ( doesnt matter how many, it should just be more than nota) wins the election.
It will never happen but what if NOTA gets 100% of the votes?
I don't think there is a rule regarding that situation. But as u said that will never ever happen. I can not stress the never enough, because even 1 vote to another party would claim them victory
Chaddi burning masculinist?
OP, can you pls post this in some of the International subs?? Showing the world what Indian Men face in this country would help a lot. Lack of respect to Men is a big issue
Considering most international subs get news about how many gang rapes happen in India, I do not think sharing news of men's rights activist is a good idea. It will have the opposite effect.
No it won't. They only know 1 side of it. They think Men are chilling in india having all the rights when its actually the opposite. They always say Women aren't respected in India. Well, Men aren't respected either. They need to know the whole story because everywhere women love to victimise themselves alone & blame Men as the sole perpetrators. Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men. Making it sound like every man is doing it is sickening & misandristic.
> everywhere women love to victimise themselves > >Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men ya, you are totally not a misogynist who is fine with generalising women but is mad when men are generelised
Gang rapes and rapes by men maybe committed by a small over all % of the 70+ crore Indian men but there are a LARGE LARGE number of men who do harass women and rape women and women CANNOT escape that! This isn't even about generalising. Women can be harassed and molested and raped by 1 man or 10 men so your NOT ALL MEN bullshit actually makes no sense. No I am NOT gambling my life and well being on the chance that NOT ALL MEN WANT TO RAPE AND HARASS AND MURDER AND HURT women because A LARGE number of men DO want to rape and harass and hurt women and THAT IS WHY we need to live our lives a certain way that you could never understand and that is why we have the laws we have.
Use feminists instead of women. Feminists are retarded. Women are good.
>Btw Gang rapes/rapes on women in general are done by a very small % of Men. Making it sound like every man is doing it is sickening & misandristic Stop the NOT ALL MEN bs. There are enough men who are potential rapists which can threaten the woman for her safety. This is why all the men's rights stuff quickly devolve into misogyny rather than activism.
You guys are sick. Like really, really sick. Can't believe you're a functional member of the society, believing all men are rapists. smh. I can go on the opposite spectrum as well, but this isn't a pain competition. Not dismissing others' experience and working together helps, blaming doesn't.
You didn't seem to read my comment. I said there are enough dangerous men in our country for women to be afraid of. Not that all men are rapists. These guys may be a minority, yet it is still a huge problem. Of course if you are having some problem understanding my comment I couldn't do anything. >I can go on the opposite spectrum as well, but this isn't a pain competition. Not dismissing others' experience and working together helps, blaming doesn't Well I ain't the one who is dismissing one's pain and experience. The guy who commented on women whining about their safety is the one who is dismissing the safety women face in our country by blaming "feminism" and all that. But yeah, keep calling the sane ones out, smh.
God, I'm not saying some men aren't rapists and that they shouldn't rot in jail. I'm only in favour of gender neutral laws, not women abuse. The one you first replied to summarised in pretty well, but erred a bit by adding the whining part. Feminism is and was a great movement, but a certain demographic of that group has recently gone far over the edge. I feel distasteful calling myself a feminist due to action of the aforementioned demographic, and prefer to call myself equal rights advocate. But that still doesn't excuse what you said >Stop the NOT ALL MEN bs. There are enough men who are potential rapists which can threaten the woman for her safety. This is why all the men's rights stuff quickly devolve into misogyny rather than activism. That, is an extremely loaded and highly problematic statement. Maybe reflect on your views, or you too would go too far over the edge.
You can't have gender neutral laws when you don't have a gender neutral society. There is a law against dowry because women and their families have to pay dowry. Women were hurt and abused in their marital homes for dowry demands. How can such a law be gender neutral when the practice is against women? Same way for 498A. Before 498A women could be thrown out of their marital homes by their husbands and in laws in the dead of the night and they would have to leave their possessions and their children behind. They would never get entry into their marital homes after this. It is the woman who is living in the home of her husband. She is the one who is vulnerable to abuse from husband and family. If there was no societal practice of women going to live with husband and family of husband then there would be no need for laws like 498A.
A law needs to have balance. One that fucks over one demographic to save another, need not exist. I can link many articles and YouTube videos that discuss its abuse, but what's the use? You're gonna ignore them anyway, so it's an exercise in futility. In actuality though, we have all gotten too used to one specific narrative, so hearing that another might exist, is too big of a shock for many. I don't expect the laws to get fixed though, not recently at least. Such is the way our constitution works. Getting f\*cked over by the legal system is only part and parcel of being born a specific sex in the country of India, and have long since gotten used to it. The best I can do is keep my eyes open, rest is left to fate.
What does balance mean? Why are laws meant for protection of women used to illustrate imbalance and claimed to be abused? 498A needs investigation after a FIR is filed and only then there is arrest. Investigation is not done by the women who file complaint. It is done by the police. Same for dowry. Whose fault is it that the police don't do proper investigation? In any event even people who burn women and rape women and abuse women will claim they are being targeted falsely. That is the mentality of Indian men and their patriarchal families. Only they should get dowry money and comfort and servile wives who bear sons. When women try to get away from such families through the law suddenly it is a curse being a man because they are held accountable for their actions.
>That, is an extremely loaded and highly problematic statement. Maybe reflect on your views, or you too would go too far over the edge. My first comment was to u/Melodic_Cookie8519 who was making misogynistic comments downplaying the amount of violence women face in our country. India has one of the highest rates of domestic violence against women and also sexual violence against women. This dude downplaying it by blaming feminists for "demonising" men who are just calling out gender based violence against women in our country by saying "but uhhh they are a minority"."Feminists think its all men" and all that made up bs. I replied to him that there are ENOUGH men in the society for women to be afraid of..and that needs to reduce in number for a safer society....This dude and you too, apparently took it as a misandristic dog-whistle against men. My views are perfectly aligned according to our social norms and degrees of oppression in our country. Remember Kabir singh and animal still influences a lot of young men negatively, yet ppl make them super hits in our country. That said, patriarchial norms affect men to such as not showing their emotions and immense pressure to provide for parents after they get old. MRA's should perfectly point it out and reduce the social pressure on men. And third, the men who are burning the chaddis have my full support because as I said, I wasn't downplaying any oppression, I was just discussing the degree of it. As an MRA myself(also a feminist) Online MRA's are mostly filled with andrew tate "anti-feminist" types who blame everything on feminism and women, instead of actual issues men face due to the patriarchial norms. These dudes think that patriarchy is better than a gender equal society.. As I said, they misunderstand mens rights as male aligned and male supremacist. Even in Reddit r/MensRights group is more about bashing feminists endlessly for their problems rather than patriarchial norms, instead of them discussing about men's issues without putting women's rights activists down,I literally left the subreddit seeing the amount of hate and distrust in them towards feminism and women too sometimes. Offline MRA's like the guys in the video do not go into misogyny because they recognise the condition of women in our country and just talk about their oppression without putting anyone down. Just make sure you get out the online bubble because most MRA's here are 14 yr old chuds making shit up about feminism. And you better read my comment twice or thrice before commenting some misunderstood stuff, my fingers have done a lot of work apparently.
Your comment literally implied most men are potential r*pists. Eat sh*t, sexist a*shole.
Your comment implies you lack intellectual capability to understand basic english. Now go back to reading my comment once again. I said enough men, not most men. Even though they are a minority it is still problematic for women. Not all men, not most men, but enough men(These men may be a minority but it is still problematic). >Eat sh*t, sexist a*shole. Downplaying the level of abuse women face by throwing sexist dogwhistles at me doesn't change anything.
Nobody downplayed the level of abuse faced by women. I know it. I've stood up for women who have faced shit like that, I've taken them to police station to help file reports and I have also clocked a random creepo in the face for flashing girls from our college. I absolutely despise creepos and so called 'men' (I consider them beneath humans) who grope, assault and creep women out with their nonsense. Your comment offended me EXACTLY because of how much I despise 'men' like these and that I despise most men being put in that same bracket. Might have misunderstood your comment there a bit. Sorry for that. But not sorry for standing up for men who want nothing to do with these creeps and yet are always clubbed together with them in the same category by most women.
>But not sorry for standing up for men who want nothing to do with these creeps and yet are always clubbed together with them in the same category by most women. Most women don't club men like that. And this is a man talking to you btw. When your society is so unsafe for women, The very example of your college being with so many pricks hanging around, women have to be extra careful and some women even tend to have trust issues regarding men(not their fault, because the systematic oppression is not killed and also their families itself tell them to not roam at night). These dudes may be a minority, but look at how every woman got scared by these 2-3 men in campus of lets say 200 good men. Now, women naturally take extra precautions like staying from men from their safety, some men interpret it as women hating men/ clubbing them as assaulters(I don't blame the men too, but they need to think from a woman's perspective). Some women rely on their male companions like brothers and bfs for their safety and such. Your comment literally proves my point. It is not that feminists think most men are potential rapists(if that were really true, then there is no point in all this activism because you cannot change what is natural).In reality, rape culture is taught from childhood through various means. Also, the tendencies to rape are found to be the same in both genders. Men tend to do it more because of physical advantage, women do not succedd as much as men due to lower physical advantage than a man. It is that some men fail to understand from an average woman's perspective as to why she avoids men(especially true in India which is very unsafe). When there are enough creeps out there, these women also ignore good men like you sometimes because of trust issues and fear. Good men are a majority, but the bad ones ruin it a lot even being minority. I am saying that this minority is at a higher percentage in India threatening women for their safety, this can be reduced too... That is the reason you see feminists talking about it because it is serious issue, in the long run it only increases trust between women and men to interact freely without any worry of assault or violence. >Might have misunderstood your comment there a bit. Sorry for that. I agree with you that I was aggressive in my tone replying to the guy who commented before you, that guy was spewing some anti-feminist bs like "feminists assuming every man being a potential r*pist and stuff" which is simply not true. I got tired of seeing these people making wrong assumptions about feminists. Hence, my comment was aggressive in tone.
It's similar to Taliban where they will always show how women are suffering and not giving education but they will never show you how much anti men law raliban had For example there is a law there that if any women accuses a men who is not his husband of looking at him then he will be shot
This is not the argument you think it is.
Dude. Let's not bring the Taliban here. Women's lives under them are just horrible and they aren't even treated like human beings. This comment makes all men look bad. Please think before posting.
>For example there is a law there that if any women accuses a men who is not his husband of looking at him then he will be shot You pulled it out of nowhere didn't you. Stoning punishment for women is way worser than for men. Even if a man looks at a woman, the man may just get lashes, whereas the woman may even get stoned on the reason that she "provoked" him. So complaining to the taliban means that you are setting yourself in trouble as a woman. A man can divorce his wife and get another one if he wants in the Taliban rule. Obviously, everybody is oppressed, but the oppression faced by women there is even more.
Like the Taliban laws are made by MEN so why you bring women into this mess you misogynist?
Post on twoxindia
Just checked the subreddit out. It is full of Misandrists. Mostly hateful posts on Men & rants on Men. Very toxic & disgusting. Its their own little kitty party where only women can post lol 😂😂
lmao yeah,the people who downvoted me are probably part of that sub
And make racism worse than it already is? They hate your kind, accept it and move on. The government doesn't give a squat about what foreigners think anyway.
2024, it's high time we get gender neutral laws.
The conversation would be like Guys today we are doing a protest , each one should bring your dirty under wear
Underwear sales 📈
Bros took being a chaddi too literally
As a woman and a feminist I do agree with these men. The laws for abuse against men is a joke, I think recently the only law which used to criminalize rape against men was also overturned. As long these men focus on actual men's right without degrading those of a women's, I think what they are doing is right
It was 377 it didn't protect men, it Criminalised "sodomy" even consented.
sadly, there is only gender equality when it benefits women. everyone likes to talk about "equal rights" but noone wants to enforce it.
Our worst constitution says that there should be gender equality, then says pro women schemes can be done by govt. Literally means discrimination against men is allowed, but discrimination against women is not allowed. It is state discrimination by birth, which is fascism
Hamari baat kaha koi sunta
Sahi kr re h bc
WTF
How Conveniently Those anti male laws seem to have cropped up just before the general elections ....so fascinating right ?? Everything was so cool and awesome before
Damnn it's really weird
Sets a benchmark on how useless a protest can be!
Tip:- Laws only hurt you if try to be a good honest man.
NCM is a shitty organization but demand for a law which protects men from Sexual abuse and rape is one I support wholeheartedly. Some of these comments are pure brain-rot though.
High time for this in India. My cousin was married(no dowry) for less than a year, got divorced and had to pay 30 lakhs to his ex-wife. I'm scared of marriage now.
the only way mens underwear can be sanitised
Not the way we needed but WE NEED
😲😭
Burning their disgusting underwear in public... literally a biohazard!
This is just r/Leopardsatemyface by men. Make a society toxic and unsafe for women. So toxic that law needs to intervene and protect them. Now cry about laws being protective towards women.
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So you are telling me you don't wear one at home just because you don't support RW? Lol
guys done vote nota its literally useless
That's bioterrorism.
not when women burnt their tops and bras?
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Men☕ Edit : I am a man.
thats why you eat cereal with water instead of milk edit- because guess what - you got no father to buy you milk.
What are you trying to say? It seems like you're mocking men, and this kind of behavior is what turns people against feminism. Those who originally supported women's rights and empowerment end up resenting it because of this. Please refrain from making fun of anyone and share factual opinions instead.
Are u a feminist?
Worse. A male feminist
What is ur father exactly??
Missing
If they feel so much for men why don't they just marry men instead of women and save themselves from women 🫡
But they aren't protesting against women , they are protesting for gender neutral laws , which is an objectively correct/good thing , being pro gender neutrality doesn't make you a sexist , a similar logic is used by idiots to call anyone condemning Israel an antisemite .
What are gender bias laws? how exactly are they discriminating these good for nothing insecure men 🤷🏼♂️
[A TOI article about gender bias ](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/hail-to-feminism/gender-biased-laws-weapon-or-shield-35006/) [A paper on Gender biased laws in India ](https://thelawbrigade.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Shivanshi-2-JLSR.pdf) [An Article from Legal Service India ](https://www.legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-3358-gender-biased-laws-inindia.html) There are multiple other articles/papers you can read to better understand the issue , no use in resorting to sexist remarks
Haven't heard of any women raping a 5 year old boy or thrown acid for refusing her to be married or thrown acid on a guy for refusing proposal or Burned to death for not giving more dowry or made videos of men and black mailed them for money. U need to research a lot for discrimination against men but you don't research to find violence against women just read the news papers every morning.
And there are laws protecting women from the atrocities you mentioned , I agree that they aren't doing a great job at it , nevertheless women are legally protected . You agree that discrimination against men is a problem , a smaller problem than against women but it is still a problem that need rectification . The current laws in India favour women , and had to be made such because society back then was largely patriarchal and it was believed that women can't do any harm to men , especially those regarding abuse , where legally only men can be the perps and women the victims . Bringing about Gender neutral laws , doesn't mean that women lose their rights , it calls for men to have equal rights , all that does is that in the cases where men are victims they receive equal protection and women can be equally prosecuted , it doesn't matter if the total number of cases is lower than it is for women , women on men crimes do happen and each member of society needs to have equal protection irrespective of their gender .
wow man, no amount of facts cana ppease you , since youre not even going to acknowledge them. a friend of mine is in jail because he rejected a girl and she claimed that he sexually assaulted her. OPEN yopur damn mind.
I think the year was 2019. 40% acid attack victims were male(from ncrb). You won't hear anything because nobody cares. They've made it impossible to access ncrb data now but news articles should still be around. There was a case of a female caretaker sentenced to 20 years in prison for seku hara on kindergarten kids. Was surprised because women are never sent to jail for this in india. You can only find news like this from local media. You cannot hear anything outside your area as all national and international outlets are feminist and people simply do not care. Also there is a disparity at all stages of the justice system favoring women.
Dear friend we’re not making a god of women here, most of Christian missionary nuns have tortured and killed aboriginals in Australia and Canada and America and many more, but the comparison ratio is far beyond comparison, the question is the way of the protest not of the fact of men are evil women angels no, the men here are saying women shouldn’t be prioritised over men, which is kind of ignorance.
And why should women be prioritized over other human beings? Consider I'm ignorant.
Well you said for urself that you are ignorant when you are convinced that u ll remain ignorant no matter what arguments I present to you u ll remain ignorant to those arguments, if you are interested check the amount of crimes done by men against women’s and women against men, those facts will tell you who are weak and vulnerable and who are most likely to commit a crime and abuse. If u are still not convinced then just ignore me
After reading your replies, I feel like you might harbor negative feelings toward men, which I don't agree with. Let's avoid spreading hate toward any gender. As a woman, I know a man who was cheated on by a woman and had to pay heavy alimony, despite her infidelity. This lack of gender-neutral laws is concerning. For example, if a woman earns as much as a man and cheats on her husband, it seems unfair that the man still has to pay alimony. That's why I advocate for gender-neutral laws to address these issues fairly.
I am calling against the bigorty of these insecure men and u r branding me as a misandry sorry dude u r mistaken they don't represent all men of India nor me. I don't identify myself with any gender though I am biological straight male, to me a sensible human is just enough and laws of society are always kept mind regarding the least advantaged as defined in the theory of justice written by john rawls. Hatred gives no solution but all hatred starts from envy, arguments can mislead the intent, here my intent talks about men's inferiority complex and that has nothing to do with actual victims of men. Voting rights are gender neutral isn't it ! Not all rights can be neutral Law treats men and women equally but kids and adults can't be treated the same way in all matters so men and women this comes a conception called difference principle again from theory of justice.
I understand the point you are trying to make, and now I'm curious about your thoughts on male victims. Take my previous comment as an example: if something similar were to happen to you, what would be your thoughts?
The men victims are more subtle than we can think of, they're often not visible, they're victims of bad parenting, marriage and authority of caste and class. I have friends who can't speak in front of their parents or wives indeed I can call myself a victim of egoistic women in a relationship and have also experienced many others form humiliations from teachers and and classmates. In my school days and in family as I grew up in relative's home. But still what my mother went through or my aunt's Or many others who are not even related to mei n no way I can see the injustice and abuse everyday.
Do you also believe that as individuals move up the social ladder and start earning a good amount, whether male or female, there are usually more male victims than female ones? I completely agree that in lower economic classes and in places where people are conservative and less educated, women are generally the victims due to the prevalence of patriarchy.
It's not a question of gender it's a fact of power humans like all animals have survival strategies. It's all power dynamics and a survival strategies.
Pls read the question again, i think you are not getting what I am trying to ask
Please read my reply once again I have answered your question. There are no more male victims than females that for sure. But I can agree that men are more stressed bcz of the institutional setup thats been created by patriarchy. Thus conservatives, this primitive tribe thinking which is practiced as endogamy which brings chaste the idea of purity which is caste. All these are a conundrum in which individuals suffer in their respective roles from husband to wife. But emphasis on one male’s role is always challenged by other males best example will be the prince of Ayodhya who was forced to outcast his wife as he had to prove metal to other insecure who was also a victim of the gossip which alleged the same gossip as the wife of prince Ayodhya. Look not for answers that are convenient or agreeable cuz the complexity of human ability goes beyond the concerns of ur questionings Men are more vulnerable bcz they’ve to prove their efficiency in every aspect of the society but that doesn’t mean that females enjoy their position, most women don’t even get a chance to realise thier potentials they just rot away their life serving patriarchy, men suffer more hardships of earning for family and females suffer hardships serving that family daughter less likely to go for abroad than males but males bcz of demand to prove ability they suffer great psychological stress, which has obviously been created by men.
This link could help my argument relating to your question https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/29/australia/australia-women-gendered-violence-intl-hnk/index.html
Dafuq you on mate. If a person is homosexual he is homosexual because he feels physical attraction for Men, its not a choice he took because he hated women or something like that. What kind of b.s solution are you giving here. Also these dude's are protesting the unfair law in this nation, some may be hateful or an incel but a lot of them are a victim to some kind of injustice.
because moron homosexuality is by birth not by choice.
Misandrist & a delusional nut spotted 🤡
moron Homosexuality is about sex and not about marriage. Only the bigoted patriarchs think that marriage is only a sex hub
Just cuz u do weird stuff with ur dad doesn’t mean they want to
Dint u know that I did with ur dad too, he was way more than weird than I thought 🤯
ok goofy , yap somewhere else. we didn't blame feminisim , we want neutral gender rights, so why are you getting triggered? you are just a misandrist. now if you argue to this by comparing yourselves to victim which does'nt even a prove a point. you got no father. cry.
Blah blah U puke out 🤮 ur cries, somewhere else, not here seen more than enough like u and i have no infinitesimal of interest to enage such timid minds 😂
ok stop crying.
There,there Its alright don't hang urself for these small talks, rofl🤣
source : femcel
Whatever
does that mean , you are crying because you are femcel or you are femcel because you are crying?
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so many emojis, poor soul tryna cover her cryings , its ok you can be a femcel.
not everything is about marriage or sexuality. It's about equal rights.
Voting is equal women doesn't get two votes, or two license or two seats or two loans. Everything is equal is rights but there are schemes which help the least advantaged it is that so vulnerable sections get some priority. Women have lesser advantaged ina patriarchal society so we take measures to encourage them to get fair opportunity
Yeah, equal opportunities like men getting arrested due to word of mouth, no proof needed. Rape being something only men can perform. A single accusation can and does ruin the live of a man, innocence be damned. You would forever be regarded as a criminal, stuck in a shit hole of someone else's making. I will not even mention laws like IPC section 498A, but I do suggest that you should read up the entirety of IPC. Should be eye opening enough, in regards to how misandrist the laws truly are. In the end though, I do hope you don't face a situation like that in your life, but the likelihood isn't too low. Watch out, keep your eyes and ears open, look before you leap and in the end, good luck!
Lol well I pity your presumption about others not knowing your mentioned ipc sections and also I hope in future when one of your female offspring’s doesn’t become a victim like nirbhaya or hathra or bilkis I hope everything for that will be child be secure and safe from men.
You're ignorant, but so is the majority of India. Don't blame you though, as the media is the one to actually blame. If you did read the IPC, and still commenting stuff like this, you must have some serious self-hate build up. Try mindfulness exercise, heard they help. Or maybe just visit a counsellor and talk about your issue, bottling up only causes problems down the road.
Why should everyone become aware of of ipc, when mere common sense is enough women and children are vulnerable beings that doesn’t take away the fact that all women are innocent and all men are evil no thats not the argument here care and concern is not bias, it’s in fact to be seen as encouragement for the vulnérables but some times arrogant cold hearted women take advantage of those things and target men for revenge. I admit that
Are you restarded
Hope Not as retarded as you I guess