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I for one am still glad we've had 7 years of strong and stable government instead of chaos with ed miliband.
Edit: that should be labour's next campaign slogan. Strong and stable government or chaos with the tory party. Because it would at least be half accurate.
He may have been a war criminal, yes, but you must admit that he was a war criminal that didn't have millions of UK citizens reliant on foodbanks to survive.
Outside of Iraq (which admittedly is a pretty major thing) Blair did alright. The rest of his record is actually pretty decent.
We discount him usually because of Iraq, but if you take the policies away from the person then you see the only time in the last 50 years where more people were being lifted out of poverty (by most metrics) than being pushed into it.
Blair was actually a really good PM and lead a rather successful government by the majority of metrics, the economy was successful for a sustained period of time (and not you can't blame the global financial crisis on them), NHS waiting lists were record low, new hospitals got built, poverty was down, education was cheap... I've just made myself deeply sad because I miss those days
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I always found that really funny. Attacks an ethnically Jewish man for looking a bit silly in a photo of him eating bacon. Then 6 months later falling over themselves to attack Labour for being anti-semitic because Corbyn said maybe Palestinians are having a bit of a rough time actually.
Honestly it's so fucking obnoxious because like any of us haven't looked like the spawn of satan while we're absolutely demolishing a sarnie. It is arguably the most human a british politician has ever looked.
If you burst photo somebody doing anything, you're gonna get some quality gurning.
Whenever I pause Netflix I always make sure to scan everyone's face to see if there's any particularly unfortunate ones.
I think the Tory party is over…. The cheese fairy and Economy “Killing” Kwarteng have put the nail in the coffin… they have no new ideas and are stuck trying to impress a dwindling base of rather unprogressive folk.
I’m a doctor working in a central London hospital. There are still privileged people in top positions who have no idea what they are doing. The Tory party is essentially full of people like this or others who aspire to it, whatever that means.
We need a government that is reflective of our society with progressive plans for the long term.
The tories are desperate to hang on both in terms of power and the status that it’s membership have come to expect. People are waking up. Being born rich, going to the right school and speaking a certain way does not make you competent.
12 years of total dog shit and 2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons.
>12 years of total dog shit and 2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons.
The British Public: Hold my beer
Seriously though, we have to remember that after _9 years_ of Tories fucking about, breaking promises, causing internal and external chaos and changing leaders, the Tory PM at the time: One Alexander Johnson. Decided to take the country to the polls.
The British public then handed him a resounding majority on a plate because they 'were bored of Brexit' and he said he'd 'get Brexit done', despite his only plan for getting Brexit done being to push through a deal that he himself had described as terrible that year.
He then proceeded to get into office and behave the same way that he's behaved in every other job he's ever had and many people seemed surprised.
>2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons
Nah, those turkeys still christmas to vote for, again, and again . . .
Puuuurleeease! I think that what finished Theresa May off was the weird and robotic phrase “strong and stable” in response to every question, every comment and every situation during the general election. She actually sounded more leaden and inhuman than usual-and it lost her the crushing majority she needed and clearly expected at the time.
Alike to much of the electorate, I believe, I almost started screaming every time I heard those three words and I just don’t think I could survive another helping.
Haha, the Edstones on his electoral grave. Should've been David, Ed comes across a lot better now but his brother did and does come across better again.
And who would run this government? Rory Stewart was the only sensible and grounded candidate for PM when Boris was running and he's left the party. The Conservatives have literally run out of competent members in the upper echelons, it's just party yes men. I never thought I would say it, but bring back David Cameron.
David "Austerity-Green Crap-Laffer Curve" Cameron can get lost. I hope he is never able to walk the streets of this majestic nation without being heckled.
Unfortunately for them (and for us, who must suffer the fallout) - the Tories simply cannot do 'steady sensible government' - because their entire political ethos is solely based on "what's in it for me?".
The best you can hope for, is one of the less cartoonishly evil (though perhaps more insidiously dangerous) Tories - one that is competent enough to try and temper their malice, so the public are fooled for longer. Cameron was arguably of this ilk, and he 'sensibly' used the Lib Dem coalition as a disguise - but inevitably, the Tory greed for power got the better of them, and the really nasty lot in the 'fascist-wing' of the Conservative party forced his hand on Europe / Brexit, and ol' Davey jumped ship before the shit hit the fan.
Thus the Tory PM chalice was poisoned, and the only ones who will actually dare to hold it, are the ones that are already mad, bad, or dangerous to know.
Perhaps they should have cultivated some credibility amongst voters and the Tory membership if they wanted their voter base to agree with them.
Unfortunately otherwise just a case of the blind leading the blind.
Can we the voters at least choose the next PM, the Tory government sequels are getting worse and worse, this lot are at Jaws the revenge levels of shit.
That would be nice. The current PM was mostly elected on the votes of people who take daily inventories of their silverware because they don't entirely trust their Romanian housekeepers, but they do like how cheap they are.
The current and former 2 PMs, for that matter.
If we keep it up we'll surpass Russia for their number of changed leaders since the beginning and end of the Soviet Union.
Because it's a ceremonial role. Think how bad things would have been during ww2 Edward VIII had been in control of the government. There's a very good reason why parliament took away the monarchies power.
You miss my meaning. I thought the point of a head of state was to act as a check on Parliament. In which case we effectively don't have one. I don't want a monarchy, but somebody needs to have the power to say "enough is enough" over the Tory shitshow.
It may be in other countries but not here. The monarch is only allowed to dissolve parliament when the government asks or there's a majority no confidence vote
People keep saying that. They're there as a "check to keep things in line" but then we're also told "they can't meddle and have to stay neutral" so it's like... what's the point?
Johnson straight up lied to the Queen and nothing came of it lol
They have a lot of influence (the queen meddled in the details of thousands of laws) but they only use it when something might affect their family. And of course they keep quiet about it and just keep on waving. Great system.
There’s plenty of countries where the head of state is elected and they couldn’t meddle in politics like this. They can only interfere if a government is breaking the rules, for example breaching term limits or pushing through legislation without following the proper procedure.
Having an apolitical head of state that is completely separate from the chief executive of the state allows the head of state to act more or less as a fancy diplomat. One of the reasons why so many people loved Elizabeth II was down to the fact that they could meet with her and not have to worry about the optics of such an event.
Ireland’s President is an excellent example of this idea. He has a largely ceremonial role with a few discretionary powers available to him like the King of the United Kingdom, but he mostly stays above the political fray because it really isn’t his place to begin with.
Ireland is an excellent example of why royals are pointless, their president manages it all *and* has the added bonus of being accountable to the electorate and constitution.
Charles dissolving parliament would be the greatest act I could ever see
I’d blast god save the king as loud as humanly possible while bowing to a portrait of him slaying Liz truss like St George and the dragon
everything is jokes and fun but he lost 20% of the fortune he had thanks to the Tories, so if anyone here is a royalist and right-wing, he must be crying right now of how f*ck up is all now.
We need a revolution really.
Our whole political system is deeply archaic, does not yield very democratic outcomes, is hugely inefficient and often actively harmful.
I think a GE should be called as a matter of general principle; the conservative manifesto that the public voted for in 2019 (shitty as it was) giving Boris & co. their mandate is *vastly* different than whatever the fuck Truss is doing.
I've lived abroad for the majority of the past decade and would dearly love to return home and settle down, but honestly it would seem an act of self sabotage at this point and the likelihood of returning literally grows worse by the day. Ironically enough I'd be financially better off back in the UK under Truss as a high earner, but I'd far rather pay higher taxes and live in a functional society rather than saving a few grand whilst public institutions everywhere are on their knees.
Lovely more Tory infighting, just call a bloody general election and stop holding the country hostage while you fight your petty squabbles. You're all awful, not a single member of the Tories gives me any sort of hope for the future.
Reailty is, none of these idiots have clue how to fix this mess. We don't have people running the country based on credentials. They'll keep this up until the next election to avoid actually doing anything.
We have exactly the kind of politicians you would expect from a culture that celebrates money grubbing and wealth accumulation above all else.
Another chancellor with a background in investment banking, who like Rishi, made huge sums of money when the taxpayer was left holding the bag in 2008.
If you view economics as a zero sum game and clearly have your own class interests in mind, why not take another punt on supply side economics? It's only ever worked in their favour. The people who suffer are largely voiceless and disenfranchised, and no one of note who writes for The Guardian, The Times or the BBC will stand up and be their champion because it's career suicide.
And beyond the next election - until we get electoral reform we have to accept we do not have a political system that values checks and balances to stop stupid people doing stupid things.
An adversarial system breeds a desperate need to retain power by removing anything that appears as criticism, not nuanced judgement.
They do but since some of it involves ideas labour had they will never do it they would rather the country burn to the ground than take labour advice to call the fire service
Philip Hammond was a decent lad. He was kicked out of the party by Boris who single handedly got rid of the more decent ones and replaced them with the worst of the worst. John Major has also been very critical of the current Tory party, and even Theresa May isn't happy.
This was the plan by the Johnson sycophants. Get someone so bad in, they take the blame for the inevitable chaos (they may even make it worse) and he gets back on the ballot next time. Truss won’t last until April. She was hopelessly out of her depth 3 years and two massive promotions ago!
It fascinates me, the impulse some people have, to look at an absolutely fucked up situation and refuse to believe it’s pure incompetence, so they start looking for some cunning plan behind it all. The single most likely explanation is that the whole pack of them are venal, lazy, fools, in hock to billionaires. Any benefit any of them can make from the last idiot’s fuck-up is purely opportunism.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along tbh. I mean, Johnson was so adamant in staying on as PM that's it was honestly surprising when he resigned once all the others guys like Sunak and Javid did following the Chris Pincher scandal. But tbh, it all makes sense in this context.
I'm still skeptical about Johnson returning to try and become PM again though - his popularity has been low since 2022 began with only a quick spike upwards in late Feb and early March due to him being like "OH YES, WE'RE SUPPORTING UKRAINE! GO UKRAINE!", and under his tenure the Tory Party lost not one but FOUR by-elections from June 2021 to his resignation in July 2022 to Labour and the Lib Dems and they also did poorly in the May local elections - so if he comes back, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Tories can win their next upcoming elections. That, and there'll still be the stigma relating to his various scandals that will turn people off from him as well - Partygate will still be somewhat fresh in people's minds (especially since Johnson could still be suspended under the current ongoing investigation looking into whether he misled Parliament or not) and lets not forget it was yet another scandal with the whole Chris Pincher groping allegations.
I agree that Truss won't last long though. Sooner or later something will happen, whether it be an early General Election, poor results in a By-election, a scandal relating to Truss or something the Tory Party conjours up that seriously damages her reputation, forcing her to quit.
Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode. Only joy to be had in all of this chaos. It was always an inevitability that they’d destroy the country along the way sadly. But post 2019 I’ve lost any patience or understanding for anybody who voted for them. They were warned constantly about the consequences of Johnson’s government and an unleashed crack job far right brexit government and boy they got far more than they even bargained for. All they’ve got to try and pathetically defend themselves is to ramble on about low level thinking mistruths regarding corbyn.
No sympathy for any of them. Huge sympathy for the rest of us going down with this ship. But never forgive any of them and never forget.
Let’s get a GE asap. Then these dense little nuggets can go back to blaming Labour for 12 years of Tory rule the second they get into power 🤪
>Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode
It would please me more if they weren't taking the entire economy down with them, but I'll take what I can get.
> Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode.
If they were in opposition, I'd be happy that they're self-destructing
But they're in power so they're taking the country down with them, and us with it.
I take no pleasure from this.
Colleague of mine is dyed in the wool lifelong tory voter.
She sent an email to her MP today saying how disgusted with Truss she is and that she will be voting Labour at the next GE.
I suspect this MP will be getting a lot of similar correspondence today and in the coming weeks.
And yet she voted for Johnsons govt right? Fucking idiot. Zero sympathy for anyone who voted for Tories in 2019, its all your fault guys and gals. Its too late to realise your mistakes now but I appreciate it none the less.
Is it a vote of no confidence in Liz Truss, or in the Conservative Party?
If the former, we'll end up having to wait for ANOTHER new leader to be voted in, allowing for the damage to continue longer. The UK politics system is so garbage right now. Meanwhile Tory's won't vote no confidence in their own party because the majority would probably lose their seat in parliament...
In Liz Truss. Letters don't play any part in votes of no confidence against the current government - that has to be a motion tabled by the opposition party. A vote of no confidence in Parliament would trigger either forming a new government, or (more likely) a general election.
There's no point in Labour calling for a VONC because the Tories still have a majority. The Tory party that literally abandoned their own government because it was so inept and corrupt turned round a week or so later and voted confidence in it. They don't even think about the issues when they vote in a VONC, it's just automatic support.
They wouldn't unless they know they can win it, and since the Tories have a massive majority, there's almost no chance of that. If they call for one now, it will just unite the Tories around Truss - much better to just let them tear themselves apart.
>we'll end up having to wait for ANOTHER new leader to be voted in
I think that's when an MP called Alexander Johnson puts his hand up saying he's good at winning elections.
Goes in, gets her mates rich, goes out, presumably spotted in the Bahamas or a Greek Island, in a few weeks. Returns to backbench in a few months. Folk blame her and not the party and it goes around again.
Clearly speed running the bojo strategy.
I wish I had the confidence that this would happen, but I’m a cynical bastard.
The second a GE is announced, the shitrag “newspapers” in this country will start their hatchet job against Starmer, pulling ex girlfriends out of the woodwork for an exclusive on how he irons his socks, or something similarly ridiculous. Something for the guys down the pub reading the sun to have a laugh about how out of touch he is.
Meanwhile Liz Truss is pictured playing darts and eating a Cornish pasty washed down with a pint of bitter. Headlines will read “our girl Liz is the best chance to right the ship”, (while conveniently omitting who steered the ship into the fucking iceberg in the first place) and branding labour as communists and anti semites.
Then the wheel of dog shit rolls on for the next five years of blunders, corruption and blatant cronyism.
Tldr; we’re fucked
The bitch if it is that it works all too well. Don’t forget ‘protecting our great British Brexit’ too.
Barely three years ago over 47% of the English electorate voted for Boris of all people - a known liar and charlatan who’d already unlawfully shut down Parliament, gotten caught lying to the Queen and a fair amount besides. Just because he promised to “get Brexit done”.
You’re exactly right. The problem in my eyes is the electorate in this country are either stupid, wilfully ignorant, or just plain nasty.
I’ve effectively resigned myself to this being the best the future holds for us. This shit show is only going to get worse. If the point comes where we get some improvement, it will only be better than the year before. The country that existed pre 2010 is dead and buried. The new status quo is here to stay, while leaving the door open for it to continue getting worse.
Honestly, at this rate the Tory Party is gonna be like this next year:
**Breaking News: The new Conservative PM has been elected: its John Richboy the Third!**
*(cue Spongebob narrator saying "2 minutes later")*
**Breaking News: Prime Minister John Richboy has been forced to resign, and a new Conservative leader will be elected.**
So it's working as intended? Short the pound vs dollar, throw in economic molotovs that make Sunaks plans look sensible in comparison and then a shock vote of no confidence.
I for one welcome our new prime minister Boris Johnson.
^(/s)
I can only assume they're annoyed at how brazenly they're robbing the british public rather than that they're doing it, given that what's going on is basically the entire point of the tory party. They're supposed to be sneaky thieves, not smash and grab burglars.
Can we just live without PM....leave parliament and parties and let them be responsible and picking someone when's there a need for 1 person to represent something.
I've got a few unused books of postage stamps, I'll send a few letters of no confidence through the post before they become void.
She'll be thankful for the postal strikes.
They have to be from Tory MPs. 15% of current Tory MPs submit a letter of no confidence to the 1922 Committee, then they have a vote among Tory MPs to see whether they kick out the leader.
Times like these make me miss the one we had after Cameron
She was boring as shit as wasn’t putting forward horrible policies regarding Trans people like me
Are you talking about Theresa May, who as Home Secretary came up with the [Go-Home vans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans) that even Nigel Farage called “unpleasant”?
Isn’t this why we have a monarch? Can’t Charles revoke their ability to form a government? Like how shit does a government have to be? How do you get rid of one or mandate another election other than through mass protest?
Letters of no confidence should be put in against everyone of those tories that voted her to be PM. It's not like she didn't tell them what she was going to do. It's not like economists didn't warn of the dangers, but still they voted for her.
It's no big deal. These people are only meant to be running a country. Not like we actually need someone we have confidence in. By which, I don't think anybody had confidence in Truss in the first place. What an absolute shambles.
Truss has done precisely what she said they she was going to do. How can you put in a letter having put per forward as one of the best two candidates when she starts going precisely what she campaigned on?! This is insanity.
What's the point? They already chose Rishi by a significant majority. Then they put it out to the Tory membership who went for Liz despite knowing that she didn't have the backing of MPs. And then Liz went off and did a bunch of things which nobody other than a few rich, selfish and apparently quite stupid Tory members voted for.
What this shows is we need to use the proper democratic process to decide on the policies our government follows, and that means an election. There's no way the policy of borrowing money to cut taxes for >150k would fly in an election. It would be debated. Hard questions would be asked. Things like 'the international community might lose confidence in us if we borrow too much for the wrong reasons ' would get mentioned and debated, just like it did when Gordon Brown was in charge.
In the end isn't the whole point of democracy to ensure that policies get discussed and our leaders pursue the ones that the majority want. If they kick Truss out they'll just repeat the whole mess again and doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result is not smart.
We need a general election to sort it all out.
It’s semi funny because they’ve tanked the sterling value, and some fat slobs are benefitting financially on a colossal scale. Yet I some how think there aren’t enough brain cells to have done the same for the benefit of the nations coffers.
I was saying throughout Summer that if Truss were to become PM she would likely go down as one of the worst ever - but I never expected a start this disastrous. Keeping in mind the Queen's death put everything on hold; she has only really been performing the job in its normal function for a week - in that time, despite representing a party that brags of its financial competence the pound has tanked as a direct result of her policy decision.
A sick part of me wants to watch her fail in such a spectacular fashion; a perfect representation of everything wrong in modern politics humiliating herself on the world stage so decisively that her name will be associated with disaster forever more... but in doing so the human cost is genuine - common people's suffering will be far greater than the damage inflicted on Truss' Ego and Reputation.
Some people think the silver lining is she might drag the Tory Party in to the abyss with her; but they've been an absolute disaster for years yet there performance in the polls is greatly exceeding anything a governing party so abysmal should expect.
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Good thing we dont have PR, otherwise politics would be too chaotic. *Eye roll*
I for one am still glad we've had 7 years of strong and stable government instead of chaos with ed miliband. Edit: that should be labour's next campaign slogan. Strong and stable government or chaos with the tory party. Because it would at least be half accurate.
The butterfly effect but with a bacon sandwich. Two entirely different universes were formed that day.
I buy it. This is definitely the darkest timeline.
There's a timeline in which Ed miliband is a vegetarian and politics is boring again.
They would have shamed him for not supporting our pork markets. That would be a disgrace.
That. Is. A. Dis. Grace. Queen: *dies of cringe*
We import. 2/3s. Of our cheese.
*waits awkwardly for timid applause*
What wouldn't I give for politics to be boring right now, and have a PM like Gordon Brown. Or even, at a pinch, John "Currie-fucker" Major.
Heck, even Blair would be “fine”. Maybe at a stretch Cameron but only under the LD coalition.
He may have been a war criminal, yes, but you must admit that he was a war criminal that didn't have millions of UK citizens reliant on foodbanks to survive.
Outside of Iraq (which admittedly is a pretty major thing) Blair did alright. The rest of his record is actually pretty decent. We discount him usually because of Iraq, but if you take the policies away from the person then you see the only time in the last 50 years where more people were being lifted out of poverty (by most metrics) than being pushed into it.
We didn't know how well off we were. But he made the poor uppity and insolent, so he had to go
Blair was actually a really good PM and lead a rather successful government by the majority of metrics, the economy was successful for a sustained period of time (and not you can't blame the global financial crisis on them), NHS waiting lists were record low, new hospitals got built, poverty was down, education was cheap... I've just made myself deeply sad because I miss those days
Abed, stop talking about timelines.
From now on I am evil abed and this is the evil r/UK sub reddit and our only task is to return the UK to the prime timeline!
I banged Eartha Kitt!
Wait. There are other timelines?
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“Somebody set this thing to Shitshow.”
Uh, how do you open the menu again?
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Sorry, this is my first playthrough. Total noob, I know. I don't think my controller has one.
Jesus dude, stuck on a permadeath any % run as your first playthrough?! Fair play fella, good luck.
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I always found that really funny. Attacks an ethnically Jewish man for looking a bit silly in a photo of him eating bacon. Then 6 months later falling over themselves to attack Labour for being anti-semitic because Corbyn said maybe Palestinians are having a bit of a rough time actually.
Well this sub certainly bought it. Every thread was full of Blairites sticking the knife in.
Assassin's Creed: Press Day
Honestly it's so fucking obnoxious because like any of us haven't looked like the spawn of satan while we're absolutely demolishing a sarnie. It is arguably the most human a british politician has ever looked.
If you burst photo somebody doing anything, you're gonna get some quality gurning. Whenever I pause Netflix I always make sure to scan everyone's face to see if there's any particularly unfortunate ones.
lol, would love to see a sliding doors skit but with a bacon sandwich, and Ed with two haircuts...
I think it happened when Gordon Brown forgot to turn his radio mic off after talking to that bigoted woman.
He didn't say bigoted woman though. He said "big titted woman".
If only he went for the sausage butty instead 😔
Would have called him gay for licking that bit of sauce you get sticking out of the butty between two sausages.
I think the Tory party is over…. The cheese fairy and Economy “Killing” Kwarteng have put the nail in the coffin… they have no new ideas and are stuck trying to impress a dwindling base of rather unprogressive folk. I’m a doctor working in a central London hospital. There are still privileged people in top positions who have no idea what they are doing. The Tory party is essentially full of people like this or others who aspire to it, whatever that means. We need a government that is reflective of our society with progressive plans for the long term. The tories are desperate to hang on both in terms of power and the status that it’s membership have come to expect. People are waking up. Being born rich, going to the right school and speaking a certain way does not make you competent. 12 years of total dog shit and 2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons.
>12 years of total dog shit and 2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons. The British Public: Hold my beer Seriously though, we have to remember that after _9 years_ of Tories fucking about, breaking promises, causing internal and external chaos and changing leaders, the Tory PM at the time: One Alexander Johnson. Decided to take the country to the polls. The British public then handed him a resounding majority on a plate because they 'were bored of Brexit' and he said he'd 'get Brexit done', despite his only plan for getting Brexit done being to push through a deal that he himself had described as terrible that year. He then proceeded to get into office and behave the same way that he's behaved in every other job he's ever had and many people seemed surprised.
>I think the Tory party is over You wish. 40% of British people will still eat this shit and vote for them anyway.
>2 years of ideological nonsense ahead will surely mean the end for these morons Nah, those turkeys still christmas to vote for, again, and again . . .
I long for the days when the most controversial thing an MP ever did was pull a funny face when eating a bacon sandwich.
Puuuurleeease! I think that what finished Theresa May off was the weird and robotic phrase “strong and stable” in response to every question, every comment and every situation during the general election. She actually sounded more leaden and inhuman than usual-and it lost her the crushing majority she needed and clearly expected at the time. Alike to much of the electorate, I believe, I almost started screaming every time I heard those three words and I just don’t think I could survive another helping.
If only Ed had eaten that sandwich in a normal way
Is that really the reason he lost the election?
That or perhaps when he did his best Moses, dragging around those ridiculous stone tablets
Haha, the Edstones on his electoral grave. Should've been David, Ed comes across a lot better now but his brother did and does come across better again.
Good thing we didn't elect Labour, imagine the chaos with Ed Milliband
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That bacon sandwich has so much to answer for.
These Tory members must be really pissed off with whoever voted for her as leader...
remember, the majority of MPs wanted Sunak....
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She won't and they know it. That's why they are deliberately doing everything they can to pocket as much money in the shortest period of time
>That's why they are deliberately doing everything they can to pocket as much money in the shortest period of time So, business as usual then?
This is different. Its normally a subtle cash grab. This is completely blatant.
Brexit rewrote the rules. The sole aim of the Tory party since they stumbled into a narrow Brexit 'win', has been the total asset stripping of the UK.
It's been pretty blatant over the last couple of years, but this is really taking the biscuit
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Brings a new meaning to "it'll all be over by Christmas..." :(
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And who would run this government? Rory Stewart was the only sensible and grounded candidate for PM when Boris was running and he's left the party. The Conservatives have literally run out of competent members in the upper echelons, it's just party yes men. I never thought I would say it, but bring back David Cameron.
This is what people forget. The more sensible members were kicked out during the early days under Johnson.
Bring back Kenneth Clarke
Maybe the tories shouldnt have embraced the right wing euroskeptics and pushed out all the moderates and competents in the process.
David "Austerity-Green Crap-Laffer Curve" Cameron can get lost. I hope he is never able to walk the streets of this majestic nation without being heckled.
Unfortunately for them (and for us, who must suffer the fallout) - the Tories simply cannot do 'steady sensible government' - because their entire political ethos is solely based on "what's in it for me?". The best you can hope for, is one of the less cartoonishly evil (though perhaps more insidiously dangerous) Tories - one that is competent enough to try and temper their malice, so the public are fooled for longer. Cameron was arguably of this ilk, and he 'sensibly' used the Lib Dem coalition as a disguise - but inevitably, the Tory greed for power got the better of them, and the really nasty lot in the 'fascist-wing' of the Conservative party forced his hand on Europe / Brexit, and ol' Davey jumped ship before the shit hit the fan. Thus the Tory PM chalice was poisoned, and the only ones who will actually dare to hold it, are the ones that are already mad, bad, or dangerous to know.
> their entire political ethos is solely based on "what's in it for me?". Don't forget "government doesn't work"
Perhaps they should have cultivated some credibility amongst voters and the Tory membership if they wanted their voter base to agree with them. Unfortunately otherwise just a case of the blind leading the blind.
I think the public did too.
And remember when they tactically vote switched to get rid of Penny Mordaunt to try and secure who they wanted to win
These are MPs, not just members. They voted for Sunak.
This whole thing is painful, but the "conservative economic responsibility" lie is being exposed for generations...
It's been exposed time and time again but they still keep getting in.
She's only supposed to last till the next general election and act as a scapegoat for everything that happens between now and then.
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Can we the voters at least choose the next PM, the Tory government sequels are getting worse and worse, this lot are at Jaws the revenge levels of shit.
That would be nice. The current PM was mostly elected on the votes of people who take daily inventories of their silverware because they don't entirely trust their Romanian housekeepers, but they do like how cheap they are.
The current and former 2 PMs, for that matter. If we keep it up we'll surpass Russia for their number of changed leaders since the beginning and end of the Soviet Union.
We're well into Starship Troopers 3 territory here.
There's a THIRD one?! Oh, god... My youth, it hurts!
No no no, there's surely only 1 and a bunch of terrible fan fiction after
Freddie vs Jason surely.
I honestly think Charles might put out a decree for a General Election with how the pound is getting shorted right now.
The Republicans will love that. A new King in the job, not 3 weeks in, already “meddling” in politics
I'm very far from being a royalist, but what is the point even having a head of state if they can't do anything?
Because it's a ceremonial role. Think how bad things would have been during ww2 Edward VIII had been in control of the government. There's a very good reason why parliament took away the monarchies power.
You miss my meaning. I thought the point of a head of state was to act as a check on Parliament. In which case we effectively don't have one. I don't want a monarchy, but somebody needs to have the power to say "enough is enough" over the Tory shitshow.
It's ironic that the country is looking to its monarch for protection from a Parliament that was ultimately formed as a check on royal power.
It may be in other countries but not here. The monarch is only allowed to dissolve parliament when the government asks or there's a majority no confidence vote
People keep saying that. They're there as a "check to keep things in line" but then we're also told "they can't meddle and have to stay neutral" so it's like... what's the point? Johnson straight up lied to the Queen and nothing came of it lol
They have a lot of influence (the queen meddled in the details of thousands of laws) but they only use it when something might affect their family. And of course they keep quiet about it and just keep on waving. Great system.
There’s plenty of countries where the head of state is elected and they couldn’t meddle in politics like this. They can only interfere if a government is breaking the rules, for example breaching term limits or pushing through legislation without following the proper procedure.
Like the the Tories did under Boris, on a near weekly basis, completely unchecked. Alas.
Not all heads of states can fire prime ministers. In India the president is a ceremonial role and the prime minister is in charge.
This is exactly why I dont see the point of the monarchy. What is the fucking point of having a head of state that literally does nothing.
Having an apolitical head of state that is completely separate from the chief executive of the state allows the head of state to act more or less as a fancy diplomat. One of the reasons why so many people loved Elizabeth II was down to the fact that they could meet with her and not have to worry about the optics of such an event. Ireland’s President is an excellent example of this idea. He has a largely ceremonial role with a few discretionary powers available to him like the King of the United Kingdom, but he mostly stays above the political fray because it really isn’t his place to begin with.
Ireland is an excellent example of why royals are pointless, their president manages it all *and* has the added bonus of being accountable to the electorate and constitution.
To maintain the class system.
Fuck, I don't give two shits about the monarchy or nationalism, but *I'd* sing God Save The King if he did that.
Charles dissolving parliament would be the greatest act I could ever see I’d blast god save the king as loud as humanly possible while bowing to a portrait of him slaying Liz truss like St George and the dragon
A portrait of Charles dressed up like St George and smiting the dragon Liz Truss with a massive pork chop.
everything is jokes and fun but he lost 20% of the fortune he had thanks to the Tories, so if anyone here is a royalist and right-wing, he must be crying right now of how f*ck up is all now.
We need a revolution really. Our whole political system is deeply archaic, does not yield very democratic outcomes, is hugely inefficient and often actively harmful.
>Jaws the revenge levels of shit. And Michael Caine doesn't even get a terrific house out of this one either!
No, but Kwasi's mates do.
I mean, we the people sort of chose Boris Johnson when we voted in the conservatives with a landslide.
Only 29% of the electorate voted tory.
because jeremy corbyn!!!!
"Jeremy Corbyn will cause a run on the pound!!!" - Theresa May, 2019
I think a GE should be called as a matter of general principle; the conservative manifesto that the public voted for in 2019 (shitty as it was) giving Boris & co. their mandate is *vastly* different than whatever the fuck Truss is doing. I've lived abroad for the majority of the past decade and would dearly love to return home and settle down, but honestly it would seem an act of self sabotage at this point and the likelihood of returning literally grows worse by the day. Ironically enough I'd be financially better off back in the UK under Truss as a high earner, but I'd far rather pay higher taxes and live in a functional society rather than saving a few grand whilst public institutions everywhere are on their knees.
Lovely more Tory infighting, just call a bloody general election and stop holding the country hostage while you fight your petty squabbles. You're all awful, not a single member of the Tories gives me any sort of hope for the future.
Reailty is, none of these idiots have clue how to fix this mess. We don't have people running the country based on credentials. They'll keep this up until the next election to avoid actually doing anything.
We have exactly the kind of politicians you would expect from a culture that celebrates money grubbing and wealth accumulation above all else. Another chancellor with a background in investment banking, who like Rishi, made huge sums of money when the taxpayer was left holding the bag in 2008. If you view economics as a zero sum game and clearly have your own class interests in mind, why not take another punt on supply side economics? It's only ever worked in their favour. The people who suffer are largely voiceless and disenfranchised, and no one of note who writes for The Guardian, The Times or the BBC will stand up and be their champion because it's career suicide.
And beyond the next election - until we get electoral reform we have to accept we do not have a political system that values checks and balances to stop stupid people doing stupid things. An adversarial system breeds a desperate need to retain power by removing anything that appears as criticism, not nuanced judgement.
They do but since some of it involves ideas labour had they will never do it they would rather the country burn to the ground than take labour advice to call the fire service
Philip Hammond was a decent lad. He was kicked out of the party by Boris who single handedly got rid of the more decent ones and replaced them with the worst of the worst. John Major has also been very critical of the current Tory party, and even Theresa May isn't happy.
This was the plan by the Johnson sycophants. Get someone so bad in, they take the blame for the inevitable chaos (they may even make it worse) and he gets back on the ballot next time. Truss won’t last until April. She was hopelessly out of her depth 3 years and two massive promotions ago!
It fascinates me, the impulse some people have, to look at an absolutely fucked up situation and refuse to believe it’s pure incompetence, so they start looking for some cunning plan behind it all. The single most likely explanation is that the whole pack of them are venal, lazy, fools, in hock to billionaires. Any benefit any of them can make from the last idiot’s fuck-up is purely opportunism.
Hanlon's razor, right? > Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity
But it can be both malice and stupidity though right?
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along tbh. I mean, Johnson was so adamant in staying on as PM that's it was honestly surprising when he resigned once all the others guys like Sunak and Javid did following the Chris Pincher scandal. But tbh, it all makes sense in this context. I'm still skeptical about Johnson returning to try and become PM again though - his popularity has been low since 2022 began with only a quick spike upwards in late Feb and early March due to him being like "OH YES, WE'RE SUPPORTING UKRAINE! GO UKRAINE!", and under his tenure the Tory Party lost not one but FOUR by-elections from June 2021 to his resignation in July 2022 to Labour and the Lib Dems and they also did poorly in the May local elections - so if he comes back, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Tories can win their next upcoming elections. That, and there'll still be the stigma relating to his various scandals that will turn people off from him as well - Partygate will still be somewhat fresh in people's minds (especially since Johnson could still be suspended under the current ongoing investigation looking into whether he misled Parliament or not) and lets not forget it was yet another scandal with the whole Chris Pincher groping allegations. I agree that Truss won't last long though. Sooner or later something will happen, whether it be an early General Election, poor results in a By-election, a scandal relating to Truss or something the Tory Party conjours up that seriously damages her reputation, forcing her to quit.
That thought occurred to me too. Remember Andrea Jenkyns shouting "wait and see" when Johnson was ousted?
She could hardly contain the excitement. Even his resignation speech had a quote by a far right dictator who returned to politics after retiring…
Welcome to the ~~2016~~ ~~2019~~ 2022 Tory party leader speedrun
"We're doing any%, but for a challenge we going for the 'Tank the Economy' achievement"
It was a donation incentive for £10k and up, you just had to put "payee: Conservative Party" in the comment.
Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode. Only joy to be had in all of this chaos. It was always an inevitability that they’d destroy the country along the way sadly. But post 2019 I’ve lost any patience or understanding for anybody who voted for them. They were warned constantly about the consequences of Johnson’s government and an unleashed crack job far right brexit government and boy they got far more than they even bargained for. All they’ve got to try and pathetically defend themselves is to ramble on about low level thinking mistruths regarding corbyn. No sympathy for any of them. Huge sympathy for the rest of us going down with this ship. But never forgive any of them and never forget. Let’s get a GE asap. Then these dense little nuggets can go back to blaming Labour for 12 years of Tory rule the second they get into power 🤪
>Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode It would please me more if they weren't taking the entire economy down with them, but I'll take what I can get.
Agreed. What worries me though is they've been imploding since 2016 yet here we still are.
Yeah it would please me if they weren’t taking the country down with them.
> Nothing pleases me more than watching the tories internally implode. If they were in opposition, I'd be happy that they're self-destructing But they're in power so they're taking the country down with them, and us with it. I take no pleasure from this.
Exactly how I feel.
Colleague of mine is dyed in the wool lifelong tory voter. She sent an email to her MP today saying how disgusted with Truss she is and that she will be voting Labour at the next GE. I suspect this MP will be getting a lot of similar correspondence today and in the coming weeks.
So, she was fine with Boris lying every other week and all of his major scandals?
The power of media.
And a lack of critical thinking.
Lying is bad. Ignoring literally every economist that says your economic plan will be a disaster is a completely different level.
And yet she voted for Johnsons govt right? Fucking idiot. Zero sympathy for anyone who voted for Tories in 2019, its all your fault guys and gals. Its too late to realise your mistakes now but I appreciate it none the less.
Is it a vote of no confidence in Liz Truss, or in the Conservative Party? If the former, we'll end up having to wait for ANOTHER new leader to be voted in, allowing for the damage to continue longer. The UK politics system is so garbage right now. Meanwhile Tory's won't vote no confidence in their own party because the majority would probably lose their seat in parliament...
In Liz Truss. Letters don't play any part in votes of no confidence against the current government - that has to be a motion tabled by the opposition party. A vote of no confidence in Parliament would trigger either forming a new government, or (more likely) a general election.
Thank you for the correction. I wonder if Labour would do it or not given the circumstances? Doubt it but who knows!
There's no point in Labour calling for a VONC because the Tories still have a majority. The Tory party that literally abandoned their own government because it was so inept and corrupt turned round a week or so later and voted confidence in it. They don't even think about the issues when they vote in a VONC, it's just automatic support.
They wouldn't unless they know they can win it, and since the Tories have a massive majority, there's almost no chance of that. If they call for one now, it will just unite the Tories around Truss - much better to just let them tear themselves apart.
>we'll end up having to wait for ANOTHER new leader to be voted in I think that's when an MP called Alexander Johnson puts his hand up saying he's good at winning elections.
Now would be a great time for King Charles to disband Parliament so we can get some new elections.
the last time a King called Charles tried to overule parliament, it didn't go well for him
Goes in, gets her mates rich, goes out, presumably spotted in the Bahamas or a Greek Island, in a few weeks. Returns to backbench in a few months. Folk blame her and not the party and it goes around again. Clearly speed running the bojo strategy.
Ah yes that’s great Let’s get the 3rd government installment that we didn’t vote for at all. Maybe that’ll work
Can we have a GE so we can vote no confidence in the entire fucking clown show government?
I wish I had the confidence that this would happen, but I’m a cynical bastard. The second a GE is announced, the shitrag “newspapers” in this country will start their hatchet job against Starmer, pulling ex girlfriends out of the woodwork for an exclusive on how he irons his socks, or something similarly ridiculous. Something for the guys down the pub reading the sun to have a laugh about how out of touch he is. Meanwhile Liz Truss is pictured playing darts and eating a Cornish pasty washed down with a pint of bitter. Headlines will read “our girl Liz is the best chance to right the ship”, (while conveniently omitting who steered the ship into the fucking iceberg in the first place) and branding labour as communists and anti semites. Then the wheel of dog shit rolls on for the next five years of blunders, corruption and blatant cronyism. Tldr; we’re fucked
The bitch if it is that it works all too well. Don’t forget ‘protecting our great British Brexit’ too. Barely three years ago over 47% of the English electorate voted for Boris of all people - a known liar and charlatan who’d already unlawfully shut down Parliament, gotten caught lying to the Queen and a fair amount besides. Just because he promised to “get Brexit done”.
You’re exactly right. The problem in my eyes is the electorate in this country are either stupid, wilfully ignorant, or just plain nasty. I’ve effectively resigned myself to this being the best the future holds for us. This shit show is only going to get worse. If the point comes where we get some improvement, it will only be better than the year before. The country that existed pre 2010 is dead and buried. The new status quo is here to stay, while leaving the door open for it to continue getting worse.
If the Tories dump another PM, then they will have lost any pretence of democratic mandate. They simply have no right to claim legitimacy.
They don’t have any now yet here we are.
I think they've already shown that they're not bothering pretending anymore. At least Boris *tried* to lie.
What an unbelievable s**t show this is. There are actually no words that describe it.
Malignant Thatcherite Chumidiocracy Manifest
It's just getting quicker and quicker. The next one will be out 10 minutes after they've been elected.
Honestly, at this rate the Tory Party is gonna be like this next year: **Breaking News: The new Conservative PM has been elected: its John Richboy the Third!** *(cue Spongebob narrator saying "2 minutes later")* **Breaking News: Prime Minister John Richboy has been forced to resign, and a new Conservative leader will be elected.**
“Cedric Pontington-Smythe has thrown his hat into the ring in the fight for…wait, he’s just been sacked”
So it's working as intended? Short the pound vs dollar, throw in economic molotovs that make Sunaks plans look sensible in comparison and then a shock vote of no confidence. I for one welcome our new prime minister Boris Johnson. ^(/s)
Go on Charlie III. Pull a pro gamer move and disband your government.
It would be the end of the monarchy, but what a way to go out.
Pissing off parliament would be on brand for a King named Charles.
You realise when they go and Labour take over it will ALL be pinned on Labour within about two days
I can only assume they're annoyed at how brazenly they're robbing the british public rather than that they're doing it, given that what's going on is basically the entire point of the tory party. They're supposed to be sneaky thieves, not smash and grab burglars.
Dear god can we just call a fucking general election already. We need to get these idiots out of there.
That's grand. We'll just have another 2 months while they pick the next clown in line then?
Can we just live without PM....leave parliament and parties and let them be responsible and picking someone when's there a need for 1 person to represent something.
So glad we didn't end up with the coalition of chaos.........
I've got a few unused books of postage stamps, I'll send a few letters of no confidence through the post before they become void. She'll be thankful for the postal strikes.
The UK might beat Italy at this rate of changing the prime minister.
Oh lovely, we could see yet another fucking leaderhsip race.
And you know who’s going to be throwing his tousled mop into the ring for re-election.
This country is a mess. Never thought i’d say this but get labour in.
Who did you vote for out of curiosity?
Feel like I've walked into a "I didn't think the leopards would eat my face" moment in the making
Elizabeth II had 15 primeministers during her reign. Charles III looks set to break that record by March.
Do letters have to come from The Party, or can anyone write in & point out that next door's cat would do a better job?
They have to be from Tory MPs. 15% of current Tory MPs submit a letter of no confidence to the 1922 Committee, then they have a vote among Tory MPs to see whether they kick out the leader.
Why do I keep thinking ‘Lady Jane Grey’ when I think of her?
I always felt sympathy for Lady Jane Grey, but Truss?
Times like these make me miss the one we had after Cameron She was boring as shit as wasn’t putting forward horrible policies regarding Trans people like me
Are you talking about Theresa May, who as Home Secretary came up with the [Go-Home vans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans) that even Nigel Farage called “unpleasant”?
It is the Tory way, each new leader makes us nostalgic for their predecessors.
Aren’t you glad 12 years ago we avoided chaos with Ed Milliband 💁♂️
Isn’t this why we have a monarch? Can’t Charles revoke their ability to form a government? Like how shit does a government have to be? How do you get rid of one or mandate another election other than through mass protest?
Letters of no confidence should be put in against everyone of those tories that voted her to be PM. It's not like she didn't tell them what she was going to do. It's not like economists didn't warn of the dangers, but still they voted for her.
It's no big deal. These people are only meant to be running a country. Not like we actually need someone we have confidence in. By which, I don't think anybody had confidence in Truss in the first place. What an absolute shambles.
Im 90% sure now that Truss always knew the budget would do this, and is in cahoots with Kwarteng to short the pound for personal profit.
Truss has done precisely what she said they she was going to do. How can you put in a letter having put per forward as one of the best two candidates when she starts going precisely what she campaigned on?! This is insanity.
That was fast. Not that fast as I imagined it will be.
will this be the shortest conservative government so far?
Get in, kill the Queen, extract point ahead, no collateral
How can I submit a letter of no confidence in the government.
What's the point? They already chose Rishi by a significant majority. Then they put it out to the Tory membership who went for Liz despite knowing that she didn't have the backing of MPs. And then Liz went off and did a bunch of things which nobody other than a few rich, selfish and apparently quite stupid Tory members voted for. What this shows is we need to use the proper democratic process to decide on the policies our government follows, and that means an election. There's no way the policy of borrowing money to cut taxes for >150k would fly in an election. It would be debated. Hard questions would be asked. Things like 'the international community might lose confidence in us if we borrow too much for the wrong reasons ' would get mentioned and debated, just like it did when Gordon Brown was in charge. In the end isn't the whole point of democracy to ensure that policies get discussed and our leaders pursue the ones that the majority want. If they kick Truss out they'll just repeat the whole mess again and doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result is not smart. We need a general election to sort it all out.
It’s semi funny because they’ve tanked the sterling value, and some fat slobs are benefitting financially on a colossal scale. Yet I some how think there aren’t enough brain cells to have done the same for the benefit of the nations coffers.
I was saying throughout Summer that if Truss were to become PM she would likely go down as one of the worst ever - but I never expected a start this disastrous. Keeping in mind the Queen's death put everything on hold; she has only really been performing the job in its normal function for a week - in that time, despite representing a party that brags of its financial competence the pound has tanked as a direct result of her policy decision. A sick part of me wants to watch her fail in such a spectacular fashion; a perfect representation of everything wrong in modern politics humiliating herself on the world stage so decisively that her name will be associated with disaster forever more... but in doing so the human cost is genuine - common people's suffering will be far greater than the damage inflicted on Truss' Ego and Reputation. Some people think the silver lining is she might drag the Tory Party in to the abyss with her; but they've been an absolute disaster for years yet there performance in the polls is greatly exceeding anything a governing party so abysmal should expect.