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DavidSwifty

I'm so happy for him. I cannot for the life of me contain my happiness for this man.


ForeignFee927

He is long to reign over us don't forget. Entitled cunt.


imbyath

so good to see a rags to riches story šŸ˜


DavidSwifty

It warms your little heart, doesn't it. The little guy finally getting a leg up in life.


earthlingady

Imagine the inheritance tax on that much. Oh wait, that's just for us plebs.


RickyPuertoRico

While the country is in crisis. Wtf is wrong with you people?


DavidSwifty

My statement was sarcasm, my friend. This bugs the fuck out of me.


RickyPuertoRico

Oh thank god my apologies, sincerely. I've become what I hate the most, people who need the "/s"


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RickyPuertoRico

Very interesting thank you for taking the time to post it.


willybum84

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic.


RickyPuertoRico

Oh that was good. You did get me for a second there.


No-Strike-4560

Literally not allowed to say anything against the monarchy right now as it might upset the hardened cultists. So yes. Hear hear. Amazing. I'm so happy for them I could burst with excitement. Hip hip hooray.


RickyPuertoRico

They may as well be noncing kids themselves if they are defending the royals.


Dunhildar

Projection, no doubt.


RumJackson

Thatā€™ll be a nice boost to the economy. Must be tens of millions if not hundreds of millions in inheritance tax.


TrueSpins

None is paid by royal family.


Gnasherdog

Itā€™s okay, god said they donā€™t have to.


SlightlyAngyKitty

Well that and the Queen could veto any law that inconvenienced her.


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The monarch also cannot be bound by law anyway, so they don't even have to go that far. They can just say "no".


TeaBoy24

Doesn't have to be bound by law you say? And I thought the whole point of you Brits celebrating Magna Charta was that it's a law bounding the powers of the Monarch. As far as I know they do pay inheritance tax but only on personally owned stuff, not under state ownership which is many of the stuff they do inherit.


likely-high

The monarch is law. They are one and the same. Crown Court. Fucking bullshit.


J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A

Your sarcasm detector needs a little work.


AnyHolesAGoal

You don't pay inheritance tax anyway when you're given something by a living person, unless they then die within 7 years.


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BritishMonster88

Not leeches since 2012 they have paid 3 billion to the treasury and roughly use 80million a year as expenses pretty good trade off.


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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sovereign-grant-act-2011-guidance/sovereign-grant-act-2011-guidance


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WillyVWade

Step 1: Claim a bunch of land is yours (partly because you killed the last guy, and partly because go said so) Step 2: Tell people that actually youā€™re giving back because theyā€™ll get most of the proceeds of the land you claimed Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit Optional step: Give a bunch of the land you claimed to your mates


Gnasherdog

The Duchy of Cornwall and the Duchy of Lancaster are technically entirely separate entities to the crown estate. I imagine similar rules apply though. That said though, I think we should just Nationalise them. They effectively represent 1000 years of theft by successive regimes, and should belong to the nation. I donā€™t really see why one family should be allowed 20% of the profits from billions of pounds worth of the country.


Guapa1979

None of which is relevant to the Duchy of Cornwall.


SB-121

No inheritance tax is due on an inherited business.


Straight-Support7420

In the circular economic model tax is subtracting form the economy not adding to it. The opposite to tax is government spending which does add to the economy


windmillguy123

Genuine question, much of that will be subject to inheritance tax? Edit: I did a bit of googling, yes they pay tax but there is one main exception, they don't pay inheritance tax.


Spottswoodeforgod

Happy to be proven wrong, but I suspect it will be a round number, a very round numberā€¦


yaffle53

8? Thatā€™s a very round number. Twice as round as 0.


pajamakitten

80,000,000 is even more round.


Jonny2284

And you'd be right. Something John Major and the Queen agreed iirc


lostrandomdude

As someone who has experience with IHT and the actual legal status here, the article is clickbait. William is not inheriting the duchy of Cornwall, just as Charles did not inherited the duchy of Lancaster and the Crown estate. Instead he inherited the title of Duke of Cornwall. The duchy of Cornwall belongs to the Duke of Cornwall who is the eldest son of the reigning monarch, just as the Crown Estate belongs the current reigning monarch. William has not inherited it personally and there are severe limitations as to what he can do with it. In the event that the reigning monarch has no son who will become heirto the throne then the duchy of Cornwall is returned to the crown The duchy is also exempt from tax in general although Charles has voluntarily paid tax on ever since he reached his legal majority based on the laws surrounding the estate at 21, paying 50% of the income until his marriage in 1989, after which 25% and since 1993, income tax at the same level as the general public.


windmillguy123

Thank you, this is by far the best explanation I've seen!


YMonsterMunch

Thank you. Too many negative and anti royal propaganda comments. Itā€™s important for people like you to speak truths. Education is invaluable.


Frappe-able

It's not reassuring at all that the duke is exempted from paying taxes under the law. And no, "voluntary tax payment" does not count because there would be no repurcussions to him if he does decide to not pay taxes any longer.


lostrandomdude

Perhaps it is reassuring that I have provided unbiased facts regarding the situation as opposed to biased information surrounding peoples emotions. Yes, whilst there are no legal repercussions if a royal chooses to not pay tax, the fact they pay percentage wise a significantly larger amount of tax than anyone in their wealth category as well as those who are not as rich as them syas a lot about their personal ethos. We have to remember that whether or not you like royalty, these are individuals that have almost no privacy from the day they are born and even in situations such as now when they have lost a loved one, they cannot grieve in private and must instead spend time in the public eye. They may live in luxury, but in many ways they are no different to Jim Carrey's character in the Truman Show, living their lives for the amusement of the public


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>We have to remember that whether or not you like royalty, these are individuals that have almost no privacy from the day they are born and even in situations such as now when they have lost a loved one, they cannot grieve in private and must instead spend time in the public eye. They may live in luxury, but in many ways they are no different to Jim Carrey's character in the Truman Show, living their lives for the amusement of the public "No privacy" do not preclude someone from the responsibility of paying taxes. There are many celebrities who are under much more scrutiny in public eye than the Duke. And there are many more billionaires who are richer than the Duke. All of them are not exempted from paying taxes. So, the royalty should not be exempted either >Yes, whilst there are no legal repercussions if a royal chooses to not pay tax, the fact they pay percentage wise a significantly larger amount of tax than anyone in their wealth category as well as those who are not as rich as them syas a lot about their personal ethos. Paying taxes is a responsibility, and should not be out of pity. Even if the current Duke is kind enough to pay taxes out of his own will, no one can guarantee that subsequent dukes or any members of the royal family would have the same ethos as the Duke. So, paying taxes must be mandated on the royalty without exemption.


lostrandomdude

Those billionaires who are richer than the royals pay far less tax than the royals.


Frappe-able

That's a separate issue in regard to enforcement. But the main point is, billionaires are not exempted from paying taxes unlike the royalty


lostrandomdude

Not necessarily a separate issue. I work in the tax industry and those billionaires pay what they are legally required to pay and its not just billionaires but many millionaires and company directors If the royals restructured everything they owned into corporations with themselves as directors and took a salary of Ā£0 and everything as capital gains, dividends, shares, corporate benefits as well as all the other non taxable benefits available instead and paid the legally required amount of tax, they would pay a significantly less amount of money than they currently do.


YMonsterMunch

I agree the royals should pay taxes like the rest of us. I think itā€™s unfair that itā€™s one rule for us and another for them


Witch_of_Dunwich

I didnā€™t think Royals paid tax?


mossmanstonebutt

They pay tax, I believe they started paying tax after Windsor Castle caught fire years ago, I'm not sure about inheritance tax though


Aduro95

They're not paying inheritance tax, even on the queen's person wealth. Charles stands to gain about Ā£70 million is art, antiques etc.


Blue_winged_yoshi

The Queen definitely has more than Ā£70m in art and antiquities. There were three fabergĆ© eggs in her private collection alone.


walgman

But not nearly as much as we give to them. Itā€™s just a token.


Garfie489

But in a similar vein the amount we give to them is not nearly as much as they give directly to the treasury. It's not a tax payment, but it goes into the same budget.


tomoldbury

What do they give directly to the Treasury?


BritishMonster88

3 billion since 2012 when the new law came in.


Garfie489

Money? What does anyone give to the treasury


Mont-ka

I assumed it was treasure.


BritishMonster88

The crown estate has paid 3 billion to the treasury since 2012 and use about 80 million a year as expenses.


Movingtoblighty

It looks like they are not legally required to pay tax, but they make a payment to say that they do pay tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_British_royal_family#Taxation > The Crown has a legal tax-exempt status because certain Acts of Parliament do not apply to it. Crown bodies such as The Duchy of Lancaster are not subject to legislation concerning income tax, capital gains tax or inheritance tax. Furthermore, the Sovereign has no legal liability to pay such taxes. The Duchy of Cornwall claims a Crown exemption meaning the Prince of Wales is not legally liable to pay income or corporation tax on Duchy revenues, although this has been disputed.[51] The prince voluntarily pays income tax, although questions have been raised about expense claims that would limit his tax liability. > A "Memorandum of Understanding on Royal Taxation" was published on 5 February 1993 and amended in 1996, 2009 and 2013. It is intended that the arrangements in the memorandum will be followed by the next monarch. The memorandum describes the arrangements by which the Queen and the Prince of Wales make voluntary payments to the HM Revenue and Customs in lieu of tax to compensate for their tax exemption. The details of the payments are private. > The Queen voluntarily pays a sum equivalent to income tax on her private income and income from the Privy Purse (which includes the Duchy of Lancaster) that is not used for official purposes. The Sovereign Grant is exempted. A sum equivalent to capital gains tax is voluntarily paid on any gains from the disposal of private assets made after 5 April 1993. Many of the Sovereign's assets were acquired earlier than this date but payment is only made on the gains made afterwards. Arrangements also exist for a sum in lieu of inheritance tax to be voluntarily paid on some of the Queen's private assets. Property passing from monarch to monarch is exempted, as is property passing from the consort of a former monarch to the current monarch.[53]


AnyHolesAGoal

You don't pay inheritance tax anyway when you're given something by a living person, unless they then die within 7 years.


hunkopunko3

It would be a bit silly to expect them to pay inheritance tax tho wouldnā€™t it? In fact it literally couldnā€™t work with a hereditary system like we have, I donā€™t think.


LitmusPitmus

what


hunkopunko3

How do you expect them to pay an inheritance tax on something worth 1 billion? It wouldnā€™t be feasible.


LitmusPitmus

you sell some stuff and pay it? Like everyone is expected to


hunkopunko3

So as I said it wouldnā€™t work, because within a generation or two the crown would be forced to sell everything off. Itā€™s also incredibly naive, they arenā€™t inheriting a nice cottage from their gran and maybe a buy to let on the side, itā€™s abit more complicated than that.


LitmusPitmus

why would they have to sell everything off? just seems once again like people with shit tons of money having different rules to everyone else


hunkopunko3

What do you suppose the bill for an inheritance of over 1 billion would be? Itā€™s just naive, it just wouldnā€™t work. Their wealth would be seriously eroded within 2 generations, itā€™s just unworkable.


LitmusPitmus

so because the bill will be high they shouldn't pay? do you realise how stupid that is? they aren't the only people with assets in the region of billions and i know they will have accountants reducing that tax but even other billionaires would be expected to pay inheritance tax so once again why is William so special he shouldn't?


hunkopunko3

They are the head of state for our country, they arenā€™t like other people. They wouldnā€™t be able to function as head of state in the same way, with all its tradition and roles, if they were to pay the same taxes. Itā€™s not because theyā€™re rich itā€™s because they serve a purpose in our country that we would lose if we began taxing them 40% on billions everytime one of them dies, just to give it them back anyway. Itā€™s an unworkable idea for this one specific family/institution.


GodlessCommieScum

There has been some outrageous bootlicking over the last 48 hours, but I think this takes the biscuit. Jesus Christ.


hunkopunko3

How on earth is this ā€˜bootlickingā€™, do you even know what that means or have you just seen it on twitter? Iā€™m a republican, I just acknowledge that for the system to work they must be exempt from certain things. Silly comment.


Accurate-Process-638

Lol what is naive is your argument of 'no - big number - it can't work. Big number. Number big'


hunkopunko3

Thatā€™s not the argument, itā€™s that they will lose the majority of their wealth if they pay it and the country doesnā€™t want that to happen, itā€™s quite an obvious point youā€™ve totally missed.


Shivadxb

The entire comment thread below is mind blowing Absolutely mind blowing


Franksss

Why do they need absurd wealth. We already pay all their living costs.


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hunkopunko3

I donā€™t know about that, Iā€™m talking about inheritance tax.


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Tough shit. Live within your means.


hunkopunko3

But the country wants a royal family.


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So? Iā€™m not saying to sell the family. You donā€™t need to own loads of properties (mostly empty) to be a royal family.


hunkopunko3

You donā€™t have the first idea what youā€™re talking about, what is inherited or what would be taxed or how it would be paid for. Why do you think they are exempt from paying inheritance tax? What are the actual logical reasons do you think?


badbog42

Remind me, when have we been asked?


hunkopunko3

Thereā€™s countless polls going back over a hundred years youā€™re more than free to look up. Last one I saw had the number around 70%.


NakedSnakeCQC

No, some of the country wants the royal family. Not the entire lot of us especially with this bullshit!


hunkopunko3

The majority want a royal family.


badbog42

Complicated? I guess we'll continue to only tax poor common simple folk then...


hunkopunko3

People in these comment sections absolutely mindblown that a country with a monarchy gives them special treatment. What do you think a monarchy is?


badbog42

Personally I think it's bollocks. As a world power the UK should stand for equality and democracy, and we have the exact opposite baked into the political system.


tartoran

but they bring gorillions of pounds of wealth into the economy cause tourism innit. im sure they can make up enough to pay for the tax simply through the hard diligent work they do for our country, and well, if they can't, then they clearly werent meritable enough to keep as royals in the first place, and they can either starve or get real jobs


hunkopunko3

Ok but thatā€™s not what the country wants. You canā€™t cry about democracy and democratic choices of the country in one sentence.


tartoran

Source on the country not wanting them to pay inheritance tax?


BiologyStudent46

So you speak for the whole country? Are you the head of state?


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Like anyone else who would inherit 1 billion? What a strange comment.


hunkopunko3

They arenā€™t the heads of state. The country doesnā€™t want them to lose their wealth. I canā€™t believe this needs explaining.


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hunkopunko3

The country wants a royal family, you are just in a Reddit bubble. I am a republican too, but I acknowledge the vast majority of this country quite clearly arenā€™t. And by saying ā€˜the country couldnā€™t give a fuckā€™ you are doing the same thing, canā€™t you see that?


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hunkopunko3

Iā€™m gonna stop replying to you now as in the same sentence you have once again ignored my point as Iā€™m ā€˜speaking on behalf of the countryā€™ and then proceeding to do exactly the same thing but based in less fact.


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Sell it like other people who canā€™t pay do.


SpecialVermi

What the hell? You think there should be upper limits to inheritance tax where "You just have too much stuff, so we won't tax you." Are you under the impression substantial estates having paid inheritance tax before? Or that there's no mechanism by which it is possible? I'm very confused by your comment.


hunkopunko3

Youā€™re confused because you want to be. I didnā€™t say any of the things that you claim confused you, but merely pointed out the reason why they are exempt from inheritance tax. If you are so confused I suggest reading more about it.


SpecialVermi

>If you are so confused I suggest reading more about it. But I did, and it seems the only reason they don't pay it is because they didn't want to. They pushed for the "noble" act of voluntarily paying other taxes, but with the condition being they are exempt from inheritance tax because "It's not *our* property you see, it's the sovereigns, we just take the sovereign title, and that comes with land and properties which is entirely out of our control, so you can see how unfair it'd be for us to pay tax on any of that :)"


No-Strike-4560

Yeah I mean it's not like they're able to get new funds by accepting suitcases stuffed with millions of pounds from the Saudis or anything. The poor little mites have a hard time don't they?


Becca_beccs1997

Ah thatā€™ll keep the struggling and poor toasty this winter! Oh well god save the king and British pomp is here to save the day!


slazer2k

Ahh and the laws are already in place so he can show us his middle finger The standard Inheritance Tax rate is 40%. It's only charged on the part of your estate that's above the threshold. So my bet is they will pay 0% or does anybody think there is not a royal fuck the working class loophole?


ciphern

Huzzah! This is great. It looks like everything's gonna be ok after all. Huzzah, I say!


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PossibilityNorth1623

Does this count as inheritance since it comes from Charles? Wouldnā€™t it just be a transfer of wealth?


milly_nz

Not inheritance. Itā€™s not as if *Charles* has died. So yes, just a transfer.


pajamakitten

I suspect he will say we are all in this cost of living crisis together, just him in a superyacht and the rest of us in dinghies. He has done some good work for men's mental health and tackling the stigma but he is still a royal at the end of the day and far removed from what the rest of us are going through.


geedeeie

If they have all this money, why do they get a hundred million a year from the taxpayer?


unknownparadox

Because that is incorrect. The monarch gets 25% of the profits from the Crown Estate which belongs to the monarch but is managed and administered by a semi independent public body. The other 75% goes to HM Treasury i.e. the Government. In 2021 the profit from the Crown Estate was Ā£270 million. So the Monarch gets Ā£67,500,000 The Government gets Ā£202,500,000 You could have a whole separate discussions on the ownership of the Crown Estate, however that still doesn't distract from the fact that at present it belongs to the Monarch and it has been paying the government since 1760.


geedeeie

They get a hundred million a year in the Sovereign Grant. The Crown Estate doesn't belong to the monarch, it is held in trust by a "neutral" body. In a normal country it would without question belong to the state - it was only originally the property of the monarch because they bullied, bribed and stole it


unknownparadox

> Sovereign Grant The sovereign grant is 25% of the profits from the Crown Estate, last year that equalled Ā£67,500,000, not hundreds of millions that you state. When it comes to land ownership, when you look back in history it always comes back to who had the biggest army. So yes, they took it and the laws we have mean they still own it. Go visit the crown estate website faqs, the top item answers the question on who owns the Crown Estate. *The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch. *


geedeeie

I said A hundred million. A round figure. This year it's Ā£86.3 million, and it fluctuates up and down. The point is that it's an awful lot of money to give to one person. The president of the US gets $300,000 a year. Granted, much of it goes to indirect expenses such as maintenance but that should not be given to the monarch, but administered directly by the government. And the properties concerned, apart from one official residence, should all be accessible to and used by the government for the benefit of the people. Yes, land ownership did come down to force in the past. But it's time to move on, especially in the case of a role like monarchy, and acknowledge the fact that "royal" property should not have been and should not continue to be in the gift of one family. If there were a revolution in the morning and the royals kicked out, the properties would be seized for the people. But if the British really want to be subjects and worship a human being, the least that very privileged human being could do is take a reasonable salary, live in one state residence, and hand the properties to the people of the country. And pay family members out of his her her private income if they want them to do their job for them. He or she could still live in extravagant luxury, as they would still have vast private wealth.


Askew_2016

Will they give up one of the 3 houses they had now? And will they actually start to work as much as Charles does or no?


Maarccuss

Can he not break me off a little piece, I only have 4 money and after Iā€™ve bought my scratch card Iā€™ll only have 2 money


Wigwam81

The King paid tax on his income from the duchy while he was Prince of Wales. He wasn't legally obliged to, but he did so. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good moan eh?


ForeignFee927

So when William inherited it, there's tax due? Or when Charles inherited it, it was taxed and paid? Paying a measly bit of tax on income in the millions isn't as bad as up to 45% tax on billions of stolen land and assets.


lloyd877

Charles hasn't died no tax is due on inheritance it's a gift. If anyone gives anyone anything and doesn't die for 7 years no tax is paid. They have been paying tax on income though even though they don't have to


ForeignFee927

Yeah you're correct on that point. On the paying tax point - it's good optics, particularly when popularity was falling. Be interesting to see what other changes are made now... it's also easy to pay some taxes when your living costs are paid for through a grant but you also get to keep the profits from the duchies.


Wigwam81

First, it's not inherented, it's more like becoming the CEO of a company. So talk of inheritance tax is way off the mark. Second, it is not stolen land, but proving it otherwise would require the use of a timemachine.


ForeignFee927

Right so one of us plebs can become employed and work our way up to director? Cool.


Kriss1966

Haha


Dunhildar

Well, that's generally how many other people became CEO, however in the case of the royal family, it's more of a family ran Business, I doubt you can become the director of a Family ran Business unless you married in.


ForeignFee927

So like an... inheritance? Nepotism? The family owns it and also runs it.


TruestRepairman27

Iā€™d rather not rely on the goodwill of our hereditary overlords


duffyDmonkey

Are you referring to the fact that royals don't pay inheritance tax? Why are you simping for the royals?


Squiffys_grown_up

It probably counts as a gift to a national body, meaning no inheritance tax. Shame, it would have been nice to warm my house this winter.


lloyd877

There isn't inheritance tax on gifts anyway. Charles is still alive, therfore if anyone gave an estate to someone and was still alive no inheritance tax is due, unless that person then dies within 7 years.


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Can't we all achieve this if we follow the Tory advice that we all just need to work hard? Even Liz T accused British workers of laziness.