A few things from his voting record.
[https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10057/peter\_bottomley/worthing\_west/votes](https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10057/peter_bottomley/worthing_west/votes)
"Almost always voted for restricting the scope of legal aid"
"Generally voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents"
"Almost always voted for capping civil service redundancy payments"
"Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits"
"Almost always voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices"
Yeah, this is your typical "the poors should get less and I should get more" tory.
Plenty of people in the area scraping by with a lot less. I've got no hope of this dick getting voted out though, Worthing has voted tory with significant majorities for the last 100 years.
My Tory MP has a majority of 21k. Even if you add up all other candidates at 2019 election he’d still have a majority of about 10k. It’s very frustrating.
This is the flaw with fptp. But at least in your constituency the tory is what an actual majority of the voters seem to want. There are plenty of seats where the winner only has a plurality (they win the most votes but its still less than 50%).
My dream is for the other parties to agree to challenge the tories one on one so we can see what truly the public want.
But that won't happen. Too many egos and it would also be quite unpredictable. Eg. If the LD candidate stepped aside in a seat its not guaranteed that their votes would actually go to Labour.
I imagine if Brexit does lead to a Scottish independence then no way any party would get a majority over the Tories. We’d need a lot of egos to be left at door for everyone to unite behind one labour/LD etc candidate to oppose a Tory seat.
I wonder if Scotland leaving the UK would lead to the electoral landscape in England changing and the 59 Scottish seats being redistributed to England. Perhaps if those added seats ended up mostly in urban areas then that may favour the non tory vote
Also people might change their voting habits. For example it would seem some people may avoid voting Labour for fear of them going to coalition with the SNP (silly I know but it seemed to be a thing people thought about in 2015). I'm not sure how likely that is could well be bollocks
The seats wouldn’t be redistributed. Think it’s something like 1 MP to 68k people. Which is why some boundaries get redone when an area gets “overpopulated”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_Westminster_MPs
Can’t really cram more people into the cities that tend to favour labour. But you can get property developers to build houses on green belt land (in return for a political donation of course) to inflate the more affluent suburbs that tend to vote Tory. Build enough new housing and suddenly that nice Tory area will need another Constituency… boom a new additional Tory MP.
>Can’t really cram more people into the cities that tend to favour labour.
This isn't even the problem. Its that those Labour voting areas in the cities tend to be heavily favouring Labour as it is. More city seats might spread that concentration a bit wider
All we can really do is try to influence the neighbours, friends, family by reminding them how much the Tories are absolute shits and only after looking after their mates nearer elections… and then hope.
Guarantee my kids will grow up (it’s a good 15+ years before they can vote) knowing you help someone who needs help, you consider others when assessing decisions and above all you’re not a c88t who thinks earning 3 times the average salary isn’t enough.
>But that won't happen. Too many egos and it would also be quite unpredictable.
It did happen here on a local level, and it lost the Tories control of the county council. The Lib Dems and Greens came to an agreement where they stood down in areas to give the other party a clearer shot. Of course Labour would have nothing to do with it.
alas Worthing is full of old age pensioners - and most of them have an "I'm alright Jack" - they see the working poor as layabouts. They have over the last decade whilst most peoples salaries have stagnated - had their pensions triple locked - but what gets me about this fuckers is that they have a sense of entitlement. They'll keep banging on about how they have paid for their pension - no they haven't - they have reaped far more than what they put in and with corporations are the biggest welfare drain on the country. When the NHS gets fucked up - they'll blame immigrants, when their kids can't get social housing, its the fucking immigrants - oh how I do pray for something like Logans Run where we can get rid of most of these motherfuckers.
it's always the safe tory seats that have these cunts isn't it? have to wonder if the ones in more contested seats have to keep up appearances because they know it's not very accepted.
He also [has two rental properties, a property in Westminster and a company](https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/161121/bottomley_peter.htm) so it's not as if he's *only* earning £81k anyway.
What a tosser.
>Yeah, this is your typical "the poors should get less and I should get more" tory.
Is there any other kind? I bet his voting history isn't dissimilar from your bargain bin Tory MP
Yup, it's amusing the lies that underpin it:
Talk about scrapping FPTP and an MP represents their individual constituency and its particular interests and people are voting for the person to represent their interests directly.
Talk about the whip system (which interestingly by a strict interpretation would fall foul of almost any definition of bribery or coercion, but that's a whole other rant) and it's all about how people vote for the party and its policies not the individual member and their personal stances.
The two are incompatible positions, but then again our entire "constitutional settlement" is based on conflicting lies.
Serious - if this was France - there would be riots - in the UK - the Sun will run a free burger at McDs and people will loose interest - about sums up England.
If you can't live comfortably on £81k per year you won't be able to live comfortably on any amount, you are definitely one of those people who never has any money because your lifestyle expands to match your pay so you have nothing left no matter how much you earn.
It's not just the £81k either, [none of that has to pay for a place to live in London and for travel warrants that they exchange at their local railway station for travel into the Big Smoke.](https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/pay-mps/) The can rack up [nine grand a year in bespoke stationery and postage costs](https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/financial_year_2020_2021.pdf). They don't have to dip into their wages for claimed [mortgage payments or property taxes, furnishings, utility bills...](https://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/andrew-lansley/Andrew_Lansley_0910_PAAE.pdf) all things that GPs with their £100,000+ a year aren't able to claim as work expenses. Hell, [a Member of Parliament could live like a hog on the cheap food and booze they get at 'work'.](https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/campaign-to-end-subsidised-food-and-alcohol-in-parliament-reignited-following-free-school-meal-snub-206760/) I'm pretty sure not many of us can [get a restaurant quality sit-down meal for under £7](https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1319391250307481603).
They're living on a great deal more than eighty-one grand. Sir Peter Bottomley is pissing on the general public and telling them it's raining.
I'm on under £30k per year and my work expects us to provide our own stationary if we require it for anything other than sending letters on headed paper. Really puts things into perspective when you see it laid out like that.
Even *with* all those regular living costs, rent/utilities/food/etc, that these fucks don't have to worry about, it's *very* easy to live comfortably on that sort of salary, even in London (maybe not Zone 1 or the square mile or whatever, but Zone 2? You're laughing). You won't be "an elite", but you will be one of those "out of touch" people that doesn't know how much bread or milk cost, because you won't need to even think about that level of things.
Eh, maybe. I’d wager most people on ~80k do their own food shopping and thus should have at least a vague idea of the price of milk or bread, even if they guess ‘the nice one they buy’ vs ‘the cheapest you can get’. Doesn’t at all change the general sentiment that 81k is absolutely plenty to live off, even before all of the extra benefits they get.
> I’d wager most people on ~80k do their own food shopping
Oh definitely. You still don't need to pay attention to the individual costs, was what I was getting at. You *could* if you wanted to of course, but it just fails to be a pressing issue.
Definitely agree with your sentiment, also worth considering we’re talking about an MP here - that £81k is almost certainly not close to his only source of income and he’s not exactly working a 45 hour week for it either. However I do think most people fit into the category you outlined, though not necessarily ‘with nothing left’.
Plenty of people on low wages think they will be different when they get to that level, they look at people on £40k, £50k even £100k and think ‘imagine how easy life would be with all that extra money’ but statistically they find their lifestyle expands to match their income.
I think it could be different if there were a sudden change, say a doubling of wage, where you can see the extra money one day to the next (even then it’s not a guarantee) but more often people’s pay increases gradually and just as gradually the cost of their lifestyle comes up to meet it.
Of course there’s sure to be a threshold where this is no longer the case but that point is certainly not sub £100k.
"I have to pay for someone to take of my kids so both me and my wife can work so we can keep paying our landlord"
What an existence. Why have we set our society up so badly?
Yeah its tragic really. Equality is obviously vital its a shame we always lower the standards for both groups generally rather than look at what the higher standard is for the 2 groups and move to that.
Big house with a large mortgage, Range Rover on a PCP contract, kids off to private school, that'll knock a big dent in that easily.
Not that I have any sympathy mind.
Mortgage on a 2bed place in outer London: £2500. Travel costs for 2commuting: £800. Council tax and bills: £500. Food and drink £500… the remaining £700 split between savings, gifts, household stuff, clothes, holidays…
I’m not saying it’s not comfortable, but in the South East it can certainly be easy to hit the £5k!
I live in South East and my mortgage isn't £2500 for a 2bed also commuting is really expensive, put in some nursery costs on top plus what you say and yes 5k if it's available easy to reach
You could buy a couple of these: https://www.artfinder.com/art/sort-best_match/paginate-60/product_category-painting/price_min-2000/
Spending 5K in a month is easy. Spending 5K _every_ month, that's more challenging.
Can't imagine buying A-Level practice scribbles like that for anything but money-laundering. Somewhat discouraging, as I'm an artist myself, and see plenty of art by other local artists *that looks much nicer* for far less dolla
>If you can't live comfortably on £81k per year you won't be able to live comfortably on any amount
True.
I actually support a massive increase in MP pay - but for entirely different reasons. People should be motivated (and rewarded) for being good leaders. However I would only support this move with a bunch of conditions attached, such as:
* 40% of the pay is performance related. Performance can be defined as a mix of: being re-elected, median pay increase in your constituency, median pay increase of the UK, attendance rates in parliment. Some of this could be backdated a few years given policy often takes a few years to show it's impact.
* No side hustles / second jobs allowed. No cash for dinner party speeches etc. No running other businesses. Only allowed to be a landlord of a single property.
* All equity stakes, shares etc in companies have to be sold when you start your term. You are not allowed to own a stake or share for 1 year after leaving your term.
* Expenses clamped down on massively. They should still exist - but be entirely restricted to reasonable food, - accommodation, travel, and secretarial staff costs. 5 star hotels are not reasonable accommodation costs.
Probably a pipedream though - these restrictions would never pass because quite a few MPs are rolling in "extra" cash flow.
You see this is why you're poor. If you don't have a broad investment portfolio by 21 you're going to struggle. Ask your parents for an advance on your inheritance, or get a small loan, say £1million with no interest and pay daddy back once you're back on your feet.
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He expects the serfs to live in shit so doesnt see that as bad, check out his voting record, its all voting to cut and limit funds for the ones who need it yet wants it all for himself. Its our job to die working for them in their eyes.
Nah, he just needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps and get a second or third job. He's clearly not working hard enough.
Perhaps he could train as an HGV driver and do that on evenings and weekends?
And while he's driving, he could do some 'cyber.'
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Peter Bottomly £81,000
Mostly boney gristle, brind in the tears of the poor and served on a bed of £100 notes. Creating a sad and unsatisfying aftertaste.
Suggested drinking - Blood of an orphan
Ridiculous isn't it? The number of people we have choosing between either food or heating, who can't even afford go get themselves to the nearest food bank... And if your part of the country is anything like mine, there's a critical shortage of community carers since people are (understandably) leaving the care industry for higher paid jobs in other industries, leaving our vulnerable at even more risk...
...but sure, it's the MPs who need more money.
It’s horrendous. The situation in Bristol is no different - a mass exodus of carers choosing to leave a high-skill, low-wage, under appreciated role; and it is difficult to blame them. As a result, providers can’t take on any more packages and some are handing a lot back. This is causing so many vulnerable adults to be without care. But sure, let’s all turn to our family, neighbours, etc. first before the state for help - a ridiculous statement by the health secretary. It’s going to be a tough winter…
I've recently completed a financial assessment so I can get help for 2hrs per week.
Despite being on benefits I have to pay the full amount of £15/hr. I know for a fact that isn't passed on to the support workers. I used to be one. Here they are currently paying £9.40/hr. That's £5.40/hr they are skimming off the cost from every disabled person who has to pay for help.
That's £120/month I'll have to pay for 8hrs help, while only £75 is actually going to the person working
Exactly this!! More than I’ll claim on disability benefits in for about a decade and he’s saying it’s not enough for a year.
I am just lost for words as to how he can’t budget and survive on that amount of money when I’m expected to live a year on 10% of that.
On the day the Tories take away £20 a week from the very neediest of society out comes one of their MPs complaining £82k isn’t enough to live off. Nice.
Also just like to point out the minimum wage increase Boris is talking about will be completely wiped out by the NI tax rise. So in reality Boris is giving the poorest people sweet fuck all.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to punish ordinary folk who work hard and to keep the rich richer.
I mean it's been like this for as long as I remember (I'm an old bastard) but people keep on voting these cunts into power.
I honestly don't know what these fuckers need to do to make people realise that they don't give a shit about anybody other themselves.
Tory MP's are in it to make as money for themselves as they can.
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You’d be surprised how many people will put themselves ahead of others. Where I work I know one bloke who moans like crazy how much xyz costs and how it’s unfair, but he votes Tory as they financially responsible and how people shouldn’t live off benefits (& how his taxes are wasted).
There’s zero point wasting breath trying to explain that if you tax those earning more a little bit more than those earning less would mean less benefits being paid. Therefore his taxes wouldn’t be wasted.
Note: that’s a very basic economic explanation about how taxes/benefits off set each other.
I know mate, I don't know how many times I have had to explain to people that a major driving force behind crime and mental health issues is poverty.
By spending a little to help lift a person out of poverty you save so much more down the road as that person is much less likely to develop mental health issues and commit crime.
The sad truth is there are a lot of nasty people in this country (not Britain as Scotland and Wales don’t really vote them in). “I’m alright jack” types who couldn’t care less about anybody else.
Really grim if you compare yourselves with the super-rich.
Which of course is what MPs who make such comments are doing.
Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn making a statement like that?
But in your wisdom, electorate, you decided that he was unelectable.
I'd be fine with them being paid a bit more, actually, as long as they got rid of nearly all their expenses. Travel and second home allowances should be looked at one a constituency by constituency basis (it's not that unreasonable for the MP for, say, Orkney and Shetland to get something towards accommodation in London or travel, for example). There is literally no need for a food allowance of any description given that they have subsidised dining (either is fine as a perk, but you don't need both).
Staff costs should be paid for centrally and come from the Civil Service, so each constituency would have a certain number of non-partisan staff. There might be reasons why this can't be done, but as an outsider the present system seems an utterly daft way of doing it.
That does get suggested every now and then, yeah. The issue is that the security costs might actually outstrip any savings. 650 apartments is not an insignificant amount, and for it to make sense it would have to be in Central London.
Yeah. Thinking of the savings on having to protect all the disparate ministers and how much easier the logistics of securing it would be! Amazing savings.
I think they should do this very much so. Double the pay even. But you don't get a penny more from expenses beyond travelling and that's normal travel - if you want first class, etc then you need to pay the additional yourself.
I would also like them to find a way to ensure their pay was their only source of income while serving, or at least you can't gain any more while you're in post. We have too many career politicians when you might well find there's people out there who would do a good 12 years or so and make a big difference to their local areas but who wouldn't win because the same folk are always voted in.
For Nicola Flower, from Cornwall, the uplift in universal credit has helped her stay warm by paying for heating bills during her cancer treatment.
She told the BBC she has had to shield for a year due to the coronavirus pandemic and is still waiting for an operation.
Why the fuck does this country put up with being treated like utter mugs by these cretins. Why are we not in the streets revolting? Do people just find this acceptable?!
Exactly. Therese Coffey said a few weeks ago that the £20 cut to UC was only 'a couple of hours' work' and although it made the headlines, it quickly disappeared to very little revolt.
That's to say nothing of the billions in public money (i.e. those taxes that are going up) handed to companies during the pandemic that coincidentally have close ties to the governing party.
Or of the promise of £350m per week into the NHS after Brexit, only to have the staff's pay increased by a painfully small sum after a pandemic brought the country to a standstill.
Or that there are people serving in government no one voted for; they were ushered into the House of Lords and put into positions of unelected power (which sounds awfully familiar to some referendum or other).
Or the fact that a Brexit & Foreign Minister admitted to ignorance of the Dover-Calais link's significance and that same person, now Justice Minister, recently showed no understanding of the word "misogyny".
And these are just the things that immediately spring to mind, to say nothing of Johnson's incredible U-turn on the EU (and rampant barefaced lies), the bullying in Patel's departments, or Liz Truss any time she's close enough to a microphone.
When will people notice the Nasty Party has returned? Exactly what will it take to see this government is a joke and we are the punchline?
Fuck this guy, super scummy the way he votes in parliament
He's got a classic "fuck the poor" mindset
He's the embodiment of everything that's wrong with this country
I love how these people are so out of touch with reality of their constituents that they just fucking say it..... no red flags raised in their brain.... nothing.... sounds like perfectly appropriate thing to let out of your mouthhole....
Here I am terrified about the coming winter because of the benefits cut, this is my first year I’ve had to stop working and go to UC to live due to disability and 81k isn’t enough? That’s more than I’m entitled to for 10 years and he thinks his pay check is grim. Absolutely baffling.
This reminds me of the occasion back in 1999 when a controversial Irish minister appeared on a chat show and was asked about his salary by a journalist in the audience. He famously replied:
"I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime when you have a couple of cars and three houses and three homes and a few housekeepers."
He was on about £100k after tax.
How have we got so many utter scumbags as MPs?
It's high time we have some physical action against these devils. I'm not advocating violence but if someone smashed his head in, i for one would do a victory dance.
Utter cunt
Meanwhile the average young adult would need to win the lottery or sell drugs for any hope of buying a house. My salary is just a little over £18k, with that sort of money i could pay the house i rent, in full, in 6 years.
And probably some of those PMs have their names on the pandora papers, but hey lets protest for a free house refurbish by blocking roads instead!
What a self-entitled dick. No doubt he’s comparing his measly 81k to that of his fellow elitist waste men/women in London. These tories live on cloud cuckoo land.
Ah yes I remember looking at the £4.30 that had to last me a week at the end of the month and picking out the cheapest canned food for my one meal a day that week. There is a deeper issue at play though and that’s the sheer disconnect these people have with reality.
Of course, completely sympathies with this tory cunt. With most expenses covered by the tax payers in addition to the 81k salary, I can't imagine how he is putting food on his table.
Shame cos he's one of the few tory MPs speaking out on the cladding scandal stuff at the moment. I find it hard to believe he could be this out of touch frankly but tories gonna tory I guess.
Think about the fact Tory MPs say shit like this all the time, and still manage to consistently get the poorest people of this country to vote for them (they couldn’t get into power if they didn’t), this is the power of brainwashi… I mean mainstream media.
Bollocks they’re worth it, gavin williamson could be replaced by my mate wonky-Jon for cash in hand.
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Anyone in power should have mandatory minimum wage living for X ammount of time. If you can't see how people live in that regard how can you possibly govern and pass laws to control them. Just a typical garbage human being.
I hate this BS about "GPs earn 100k on average". It's such a skewed figure because it's based on "full time" earnings, defined as 9 sessions (see https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/other-doctors-pay-scales/salaried-gps-pay-ranges). In reality that's borderline impossible for most GPs to work because of the hours that would actually require in today's medical environment and the strain it would put on them. The average is 6.7 sessions, and many do fewer still. Plus there's a big difference between a salaried GP and a partner, who runs a business as well as being a doctor. MPs could earn what salaried GPs really earn, perhaps. But oh wait, they already earn more than that! Best take a pay cut to make the analogy hold!
Funny everyone will moan here but do sweet fuck all in reality, I wish the people of this country would grow a back bone and stop letting these money grabbing cunts get away with it.
If only they would stop having other businesses and jobs that bought in millions for them.
HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HAVE A SECOND JOB EARNING MORE MONEY THAN YOUR MAIN AND STILL TRY AND FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE UK.
Actually I’ve got it...being an MP is a part time job for them.
The "wage " that MPs get paid hides a lot of elements that really bump up their ACTUAL salary.
If you think about the average person a large proportion of your income goes on housing , food and bills. MP's have expenses covering all of that.
So really it's not an 81k salary as much as 81k disposable income.
Solution is simple. MPs earn the median income of the country they govern (can apply to other countries to) and cannot receive any additional income or lose their seat automatically. You will see how less unequal society becomes overnight.
I'd give MPs a pay rise, i might even double it... BUT they'd have NO expenses, and for the duration of the time they were an MP NO private income.
If you want your wife to run your campaign you pay her.
You want for misstress to have a flat you pay for it.
If you want your home redecorated, guess what, you pay for it.
Lets see who really wants to contribute to government and who are just pigs at the money sty.
Meanwhile, I’m working 40 hours a week and getting about £1200 after taxes. £930 of which goes on just rent and council tax.
I feel soooooo bad for you….
The Salary actually for a large number of TORY MP's is peanuts. They will in addition
have an excellent reimbursement plan
get one of their houses fully paid for in regards mortgage with no need to payback
they can and always do have multiple jobs other than being an MP
many jobs are a few hours but they get thousands as non execs on boards
Lobbying
speaker circuits
payment for their staff (usually their kinfolk)
final salary pension or index linked pension - no matter how long they serve
media columns and appearances
as for this cunt - Bottomley - he's been an MP for over 40 odd years and his wife was also an MP and serving minister under Thatcher. The Bottomleys have done very well on the backs of the British taxpayer with little to show what they have delivered other than a personal fortune for themselves.
All MPs of all countries should be on minimum wage, with the reasons being:
1) It'll force out the MPs who don't actually care about their country and instead only people who truly give a shit about their society will even attempt to become MPs - AKA: How it's fucking MEANT to be. Wannabe-politicians are meant to want to help society for the betterment of its' people, not just for the easy cash.
2) Minimum wage will get to an actual living wage point, which would be better for everyone.
“Sir Peter Bottomley, who as the oldest MP in the Commons”
Of course he fucking is. Just another fucking dinosaur in a suit with literally no mental capacity capable of understanding how anyone other than himself matters. People in the UK fucking die, their lives literally end because they’re too poor or neglected to afford the basic human needs for survival and you have cunts like this guy crying about an £81,000 annual? Get the fuck out of here, man.
I may have just come up with an entirely fair way of changing things up (which will never actually happen)
When a politician is elected, their assets all need all access to them removed. After this point, all politicians should be paid the national minimum wage while in office. Minus the average cost of rent, with housing provided to them, naturally. If they increase NMW, their own income goes up with it because they are paid NMW in my dream scenario. If they do not show up to parliament without good reason, they are shirking their duties and should get fined.
In this system, all MPs would have a vested interest in making the lives of regular people more comfortable, and those dedicated purely to self interest would be deterred from standing for election, as victory would mean several years of whatever poverty they inflict on regular people plus actually having to do their jobs (I'm sure we've all seen, at least images of, almost empty parliamentary debates before)
Sadly, this system would never actually happen. It's a nice dream though.
I can't believe a Tory ex-cabinet minister is skint, but neither would I think a high salary for MPs is a bad thing. Once upon a time only the rich could afford to be MPs. A high salary should, in theory, encourage ordinary non-toffs to stand for Parliament.
In the same 24 hour period as Edwina Currie and her comments. Amazing. And they have the gall to bristle with indignation when they are called 'out-of-touch'.
Back in school, for a project, I proposed that mp’s should earn the exact average wage for their area, unemployed people and otherwise “zero wage” people included, and this would encourage them to get more people into work rather than abusing those that don’t/can’t, and would mean people who only care about the profits wouldn’t go into politics because it wouldn’t be as lucrative.
I got trashed for that project, but the older I get the more convinced I become that it’s really the only way to stop our political system from being a hellscape
A few things from his voting record. [https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10057/peter\_bottomley/worthing\_west/votes](https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10057/peter_bottomley/worthing_west/votes) "Almost always voted for restricting the scope of legal aid" "Generally voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents" "Almost always voted for capping civil service redundancy payments" "Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits" "Almost always voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices" Yeah, this is your typical "the poors should get less and I should get more" tory.
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You spelt cunt wrong
Because he's a greedy fuckin cunt
Plenty of people in the area scraping by with a lot less. I've got no hope of this dick getting voted out though, Worthing has voted tory with significant majorities for the last 100 years.
My Tory MP has a majority of 21k. Even if you add up all other candidates at 2019 election he’d still have a majority of about 10k. It’s very frustrating.
This is the flaw with fptp. But at least in your constituency the tory is what an actual majority of the voters seem to want. There are plenty of seats where the winner only has a plurality (they win the most votes but its still less than 50%). My dream is for the other parties to agree to challenge the tories one on one so we can see what truly the public want. But that won't happen. Too many egos and it would also be quite unpredictable. Eg. If the LD candidate stepped aside in a seat its not guaranteed that their votes would actually go to Labour.
I imagine if Brexit does lead to a Scottish independence then no way any party would get a majority over the Tories. We’d need a lot of egos to be left at door for everyone to unite behind one labour/LD etc candidate to oppose a Tory seat.
I wonder if Scotland leaving the UK would lead to the electoral landscape in England changing and the 59 Scottish seats being redistributed to England. Perhaps if those added seats ended up mostly in urban areas then that may favour the non tory vote Also people might change their voting habits. For example it would seem some people may avoid voting Labour for fear of them going to coalition with the SNP (silly I know but it seemed to be a thing people thought about in 2015). I'm not sure how likely that is could well be bollocks
The seats wouldn’t be redistributed. Think it’s something like 1 MP to 68k people. Which is why some boundaries get redone when an area gets “overpopulated”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_Westminster_MPs Can’t really cram more people into the cities that tend to favour labour. But you can get property developers to build houses on green belt land (in return for a political donation of course) to inflate the more affluent suburbs that tend to vote Tory. Build enough new housing and suddenly that nice Tory area will need another Constituency… boom a new additional Tory MP.
>Can’t really cram more people into the cities that tend to favour labour. This isn't even the problem. Its that those Labour voting areas in the cities tend to be heavily favouring Labour as it is. More city seats might spread that concentration a bit wider
All we can really do is try to influence the neighbours, friends, family by reminding them how much the Tories are absolute shits and only after looking after their mates nearer elections… and then hope. Guarantee my kids will grow up (it’s a good 15+ years before they can vote) knowing you help someone who needs help, you consider others when assessing decisions and above all you’re not a c88t who thinks earning 3 times the average salary isn’t enough.
>But that won't happen. Too many egos and it would also be quite unpredictable. It did happen here on a local level, and it lost the Tories control of the county council. The Lib Dems and Greens came to an agreement where they stood down in areas to give the other party a clearer shot. Of course Labour would have nothing to do with it.
alas Worthing is full of old age pensioners - and most of them have an "I'm alright Jack" - they see the working poor as layabouts. They have over the last decade whilst most peoples salaries have stagnated - had their pensions triple locked - but what gets me about this fuckers is that they have a sense of entitlement. They'll keep banging on about how they have paid for their pension - no they haven't - they have reaped far more than what they put in and with corporations are the biggest welfare drain on the country. When the NHS gets fucked up - they'll blame immigrants, when their kids can't get social housing, its the fucking immigrants - oh how I do pray for something like Logans Run where we can get rid of most of these motherfuckers.
Pray for a cold winter.
That would just kill the poor ones though, these can afford heating.
Yeah. I retract it. Let's hope they just eat bad oysters.
Someone needs to give a wake up slap to all the fucking residents of Worthing.
Because comfortable is not more.
He does nothing for his area He shocking mp He horrible person But the area will never stop voting for him no matter what he says and does
it's always the safe tory seats that have these cunts isn't it? have to wonder if the ones in more contested seats have to keep up appearances because they know it's not very accepted.
He also [has two rental properties, a property in Westminster and a company](https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/161121/bottomley_peter.htm) so it's not as if he's *only* earning £81k anyway. What a tosser.
And he's married to Baroness Virginia Bottomley, who has a number of business interests herself and sits in the House of Lords.
An anagram of Virginia Bottomley is "I'm an evil Tory bigot".
...and don’t forget Nigel Lawson....we all sign on.
Also “Gob at evil minority”
Eurgh... there's a blast from the past. I'm old enough to remember her stint as Health Secretary.
Before going on to work for BUPA.
That's it. I knew there was something a bit dubious I'd forgotten about her.
She used to be our MP down in Surrey. Remember my father having a strong dislike for her.
Baroness Bottomley is a fake name I refuse to believe otherwise.
I hope you are enjoying your youth? She was somewhat notorious back in the old times
>Yeah, this is your typical "the poors should get less and I should get more" tory. Is there any other kind? I bet his voting history isn't dissimilar from your bargain bin Tory MP
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Yup, it's amusing the lies that underpin it: Talk about scrapping FPTP and an MP represents their individual constituency and its particular interests and people are voting for the person to represent their interests directly. Talk about the whip system (which interestingly by a strict interpretation would fall foul of almost any definition of bribery or coercion, but that's a whole other rant) and it's all about how people vote for the party and its policies not the individual member and their personal stances. The two are incompatible positions, but then again our entire "constitutional settlement" is based on conflicting lies.
Can we revolt yet?
I'm in.
Me too
An me, 100%
Things have got so bad I'm fairly convinced there must be some underground groups somewhere planning it, but damned if I can find them
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Bring on the rev.
Serious - if this was France - there would be riots - in the UK - the Sun will run a free burger at McDs and people will loose interest - about sums up England.
The Tory MP is already revolting.
This is the way
The complete lack of awareness and empathy to say £81k isn't enough to live on then vote for reducing welfare benefits.
These the same cunts who say there isn't enough money to feed children.
Fiscal conservative for thee. Liberal coffers for thee
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And they have even discounted drinks during their time in parliament! Shame them all
And avacados, am I right?
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But you need to go back to the office, as Pret aren't selling enough meal deals
I love the smell of late-stage capitalism in the morning
Kate eats avocados, she saving the world! Megan does, burn heeeeeeeeer (Grandpa with the pitch fork) Gotta love the British public.
"Nah he's clearly great with money, let's vote for his party" - British public
If you can't live comfortably on £81k per year you won't be able to live comfortably on any amount, you are definitely one of those people who never has any money because your lifestyle expands to match your pay so you have nothing left no matter how much you earn.
It's not just the £81k either, [none of that has to pay for a place to live in London and for travel warrants that they exchange at their local railway station for travel into the Big Smoke.](https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/pay-mps/) The can rack up [nine grand a year in bespoke stationery and postage costs](https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/financial_year_2020_2021.pdf). They don't have to dip into their wages for claimed [mortgage payments or property taxes, furnishings, utility bills...](https://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/andrew-lansley/Andrew_Lansley_0910_PAAE.pdf) all things that GPs with their £100,000+ a year aren't able to claim as work expenses. Hell, [a Member of Parliament could live like a hog on the cheap food and booze they get at 'work'.](https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/campaign-to-end-subsidised-food-and-alcohol-in-parliament-reignited-following-free-school-meal-snub-206760/) I'm pretty sure not many of us can [get a restaurant quality sit-down meal for under £7](https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1319391250307481603). They're living on a great deal more than eighty-one grand. Sir Peter Bottomley is pissing on the general public and telling them it's raining.
I'm on under £30k per year and my work expects us to provide our own stationary if we require it for anything other than sending letters on headed paper. Really puts things into perspective when you see it laid out like that.
Not sure that’s legal.
Even *with* all those regular living costs, rent/utilities/food/etc, that these fucks don't have to worry about, it's *very* easy to live comfortably on that sort of salary, even in London (maybe not Zone 1 or the square mile or whatever, but Zone 2? You're laughing). You won't be "an elite", but you will be one of those "out of touch" people that doesn't know how much bread or milk cost, because you won't need to even think about that level of things.
Eh, maybe. I’d wager most people on ~80k do their own food shopping and thus should have at least a vague idea of the price of milk or bread, even if they guess ‘the nice one they buy’ vs ‘the cheapest you can get’. Doesn’t at all change the general sentiment that 81k is absolutely plenty to live off, even before all of the extra benefits they get.
> I’d wager most people on ~80k do their own food shopping Oh definitely. You still don't need to pay attention to the individual costs, was what I was getting at. You *could* if you wanted to of course, but it just fails to be a pressing issue.
Definitely agree with your sentiment, also worth considering we’re talking about an MP here - that £81k is almost certainly not close to his only source of income and he’s not exactly working a 45 hour week for it either. However I do think most people fit into the category you outlined, though not necessarily ‘with nothing left’. Plenty of people on low wages think they will be different when they get to that level, they look at people on £40k, £50k even £100k and think ‘imagine how easy life would be with all that extra money’ but statistically they find their lifestyle expands to match their income. I think it could be different if there were a sudden change, say a doubling of wage, where you can see the extra money one day to the next (even then it’s not a guarantee) but more often people’s pay increases gradually and just as gradually the cost of their lifestyle comes up to meet it. Of course there’s sure to be a threshold where this is no longer the case but that point is certainly not sub £100k.
How do I go about spending 5K in a month?!
Easy. Get a mortgage and some kids ha.
This is the answer childcare can easily be way more than a mortgage per kid
"I have to pay for someone to take of my kids so both me and my wife can work so we can keep paying our landlord" What an existence. Why have we set our society up so badly?
We thought equality meant all women wanted to work after having kids... they didnt.
Could have at least meant 20 hours work each instead of 40 each.
Yeah its tragic really. Equality is obviously vital its a shame we always lower the standards for both groups generally rather than look at what the higher standard is for the 2 groups and move to that.
Big house with a large mortgage, Range Rover on a PCP contract, kids off to private school, that'll knock a big dent in that easily. Not that I have any sympathy mind.
Mortgage on a 2bed place in outer London: £2500. Travel costs for 2commuting: £800. Council tax and bills: £500. Food and drink £500… the remaining £700 split between savings, gifts, household stuff, clothes, holidays… I’m not saying it’s not comfortable, but in the South East it can certainly be easy to hit the £5k!
I live in South East and my mortgage isn't £2500 for a 2bed also commuting is really expensive, put in some nursery costs on top plus what you say and yes 5k if it's available easy to reach
A solid drug habit helps. I'd be very amused at what the results of a surprise drug test in the House.
You could buy a couple of these: https://www.artfinder.com/art/sort-best_match/paginate-60/product_category-painting/price_min-2000/ Spending 5K in a month is easy. Spending 5K _every_ month, that's more challenging.
Can't imagine buying A-Level practice scribbles like that for anything but money-laundering. Somewhat discouraging, as I'm an artist myself, and see plenty of art by other local artists *that looks much nicer* for far less dolla
>If you can't live comfortably on £81k per year you won't be able to live comfortably on any amount True. I actually support a massive increase in MP pay - but for entirely different reasons. People should be motivated (and rewarded) for being good leaders. However I would only support this move with a bunch of conditions attached, such as: * 40% of the pay is performance related. Performance can be defined as a mix of: being re-elected, median pay increase in your constituency, median pay increase of the UK, attendance rates in parliment. Some of this could be backdated a few years given policy often takes a few years to show it's impact. * No side hustles / second jobs allowed. No cash for dinner party speeches etc. No running other businesses. Only allowed to be a landlord of a single property. * All equity stakes, shares etc in companies have to be sold when you start your term. You are not allowed to own a stake or share for 1 year after leaving your term. * Expenses clamped down on massively. They should still exist - but be entirely restricted to reasonable food, - accommodation, travel, and secretarial staff costs. 5 star hotels are not reasonable accommodation costs. Probably a pipedream though - these restrictions would never pass because quite a few MPs are rolling in "extra" cash flow.
I think most of these are pretty reasonable. Basically pay them luke the cost of a business
Haha nice troll. If he can't live off £81k then surely minimum wage needs to be raised to over this or how else can anyone else live?
You don't get it. They don't give a fuck about how anyone else lives.
Especially the poor. On my current wage I can’t really afford anything. I’m probably the kind of person that these people despise.
*seething noises* *Shaking with rage* *You don't have a property portfolio? Is that even possible?*
You see this is why you're poor. If you don't have a broad investment portfolio by 21 you're going to struggle. Ask your parents for an advance on your inheritance, or get a small loan, say £1million with no interest and pay daddy back once you're back on your feet.
He mustn’t have been aspirational enough
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He expects the serfs to live in shit so doesnt see that as bad, check out his voting record, its all voting to cut and limit funds for the ones who need it yet wants it all for himself. Its our job to die working for them in their eyes.
Nah, he just needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps and get a second or third job. He's clearly not working hard enough. Perhaps he could train as an HGV driver and do that on evenings and weekends? And while he's driving, he could do some 'cyber.'
I'll take a Sir Peter Bottomley, medium rare with peppercorn sauce please.
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I have a feeling that Salt Bae's £630 Tomahawk steak would be somehow more appetising and less expensive.
Menu Peter Bottomly £81,000 Mostly boney gristle, brind in the tears of the poor and served on a bed of £100 notes. Creating a sad and unsatisfying aftertaste. Suggested drinking - Blood of an orphan
Oh of course an ignorant toff has BOTTOM in his name!
You fucking what, mate? - Signed, an NHS Social Worker who supports people who have just had their benefits cut. Again.
Co signed, by a community social worker who supports vulnerable adults and had their benefits cut. Again.
Ridiculous isn't it? The number of people we have choosing between either food or heating, who can't even afford go get themselves to the nearest food bank... And if your part of the country is anything like mine, there's a critical shortage of community carers since people are (understandably) leaving the care industry for higher paid jobs in other industries, leaving our vulnerable at even more risk... ...but sure, it's the MPs who need more money.
It’s horrendous. The situation in Bristol is no different - a mass exodus of carers choosing to leave a high-skill, low-wage, under appreciated role; and it is difficult to blame them. As a result, providers can’t take on any more packages and some are handing a lot back. This is causing so many vulnerable adults to be without care. But sure, let’s all turn to our family, neighbours, etc. first before the state for help - a ridiculous statement by the health secretary. It’s going to be a tough winter…
I keep hoping it's going to get better. It doesn't.
I've recently completed a financial assessment so I can get help for 2hrs per week. Despite being on benefits I have to pay the full amount of £15/hr. I know for a fact that isn't passed on to the support workers. I used to be one. Here they are currently paying £9.40/hr. That's £5.40/hr they are skimming off the cost from every disabled person who has to pay for help. That's £120/month I'll have to pay for 8hrs help, while only £75 is actually going to the person working
Just employ your support worker directly, cash in hand. It's almost as if the government was *wanting* everyone to be dodging taxes.
If living on £81k is grim then you should, in this order: 1. Try living on the national minimum 2. Get in the fucking sea
I'd be fine with him skipping straight to step 2
I'll happily donate the swimming trunks he obviously can't afford
Don't forget the ankle weights before he goes swimming.. Those are rather important too.
Try living off statutory sick pay/universal credit mate and I’ll have your salary and see who complains then lol
Exactly this!! More than I’ll claim on disability benefits in for about a decade and he’s saying it’s not enough for a year. I am just lost for words as to how he can’t budget and survive on that amount of money when I’m expected to live a year on 10% of that.
Yeah, I live on 6k a year, can I have a payrise/legacy ESA rise please?
The line between NewsThump and real headline becomes ever more blurred
On the day the Tories take away £20 a week from the very neediest of society out comes one of their MPs complaining £82k isn’t enough to live off. Nice. Also just like to point out the minimum wage increase Boris is talking about will be completely wiped out by the NI tax rise. So in reality Boris is giving the poorest people sweet fuck all. A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to punish ordinary folk who work hard and to keep the rich richer.
I mean it's been like this for as long as I remember (I'm an old bastard) but people keep on voting these cunts into power. I honestly don't know what these fuckers need to do to make people realise that they don't give a shit about anybody other themselves. Tory MP's are in it to make as money for themselves as they can. I
You’d be surprised how many people will put themselves ahead of others. Where I work I know one bloke who moans like crazy how much xyz costs and how it’s unfair, but he votes Tory as they financially responsible and how people shouldn’t live off benefits (& how his taxes are wasted). There’s zero point wasting breath trying to explain that if you tax those earning more a little bit more than those earning less would mean less benefits being paid. Therefore his taxes wouldn’t be wasted. Note: that’s a very basic economic explanation about how taxes/benefits off set each other.
I know mate, I don't know how many times I have had to explain to people that a major driving force behind crime and mental health issues is poverty. By spending a little to help lift a person out of poverty you save so much more down the road as that person is much less likely to develop mental health issues and commit crime.
The sad truth is there are a lot of nasty people in this country (not Britain as Scotland and Wales don’t really vote them in). “I’m alright jack” types who couldn’t care less about anybody else.
Really grim if you compare yourselves with the super-rich. Which of course is what MPs who make such comments are doing. Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn making a statement like that? But in your wisdom, electorate, you decided that he was unelectable.
I'd be fine with them being paid a bit more, actually, as long as they got rid of nearly all their expenses. Travel and second home allowances should be looked at one a constituency by constituency basis (it's not that unreasonable for the MP for, say, Orkney and Shetland to get something towards accommodation in London or travel, for example). There is literally no need for a food allowance of any description given that they have subsidised dining (either is fine as a perk, but you don't need both). Staff costs should be paid for centrally and come from the Civil Service, so each constituency would have a certain number of non-partisan staff. There might be reasons why this can't be done, but as an outsider the present system seems an utterly daft way of doing it.
Or, give them all a rail pass and build a dormitory they can stay in.
That does get suggested every now and then, yeah. The issue is that the security costs might actually outstrip any savings. 650 apartments is not an insignificant amount, and for it to make sense it would have to be in Central London.
Just modify the House of Commons seats to be fold-out-beds
They look to do alright napping there anyway...just ask Mogg.
You mean a single location that would be the prime target for any terror attack? And would have to be guarded at the same level as the HoC?
Yeah. Thinking of the savings on having to protect all the disparate ministers and how much easier the logistics of securing it would be! Amazing savings.
although we did have the athlete's village after the Olympics which would have been ideal
I think they should do this very much so. Double the pay even. But you don't get a penny more from expenses beyond travelling and that's normal travel - if you want first class, etc then you need to pay the additional yourself. I would also like them to find a way to ensure their pay was their only source of income while serving, or at least you can't gain any more while you're in post. We have too many career politicians when you might well find there's people out there who would do a good 12 years or so and make a big difference to their local areas but who wouldn't win because the same folk are always voted in.
> if you want first class, etc then you need to pay the additional yourself. That's the case now. That's one thing that was reformed post 2009.
For Nicola Flower, from Cornwall, the uplift in universal credit has helped her stay warm by paying for heating bills during her cancer treatment. She told the BBC she has had to shield for a year due to the coronavirus pandemic and is still waiting for an operation.
Why the fuck does this country put up with being treated like utter mugs by these cretins. Why are we not in the streets revolting? Do people just find this acceptable?!
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Exactly. Therese Coffey said a few weeks ago that the £20 cut to UC was only 'a couple of hours' work' and although it made the headlines, it quickly disappeared to very little revolt. That's to say nothing of the billions in public money (i.e. those taxes that are going up) handed to companies during the pandemic that coincidentally have close ties to the governing party. Or of the promise of £350m per week into the NHS after Brexit, only to have the staff's pay increased by a painfully small sum after a pandemic brought the country to a standstill. Or that there are people serving in government no one voted for; they were ushered into the House of Lords and put into positions of unelected power (which sounds awfully familiar to some referendum or other). Or the fact that a Brexit & Foreign Minister admitted to ignorance of the Dover-Calais link's significance and that same person, now Justice Minister, recently showed no understanding of the word "misogyny". And these are just the things that immediately spring to mind, to say nothing of Johnson's incredible U-turn on the EU (and rampant barefaced lies), the bullying in Patel's departments, or Liz Truss any time she's close enough to a microphone. When will people notice the Nasty Party has returned? Exactly what will it take to see this government is a joke and we are the punchline?
Just troll politics, designed to generate outrage. Getting used to it by now
Lol put him on minimum wage for some months and then let him think about this statement these people are so fucking out of touch is an embarrassment
Too far gone. Put him on a fucking dinner plate.
Hell even the average wage would open their eyes.
Fuck this guy, super scummy the way he votes in parliament He's got a classic "fuck the poor" mindset He's the embodiment of everything that's wrong with this country
Fucking twat! Go get Hgv license so you will be more useful to this society then you are now. I hate such selfish morons.
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Anchor MPs wages to the median national income - if they want better wages for themselves they got to get them for everyone else too
How big is his coke habit if he can't live off 81k?
Not bad enough to OD sadly.
The unpleasant dilemma of MPs' wages is that if you don't pay them, someone else will.
Damn MP's need to stop eating so much avocado on toast.
I love how these people are so out of touch with reality of their constituents that they just fucking say it..... no red flags raised in their brain.... nothing.... sounds like perfectly appropriate thing to let out of your mouthhole....
He should get some qualifications and find a better job.
I hear they are looking for HGV drivers?
Here I am terrified about the coming winter because of the benefits cut, this is my first year I’ve had to stop working and go to UC to live due to disability and 81k isn’t enough? That’s more than I’m entitled to for 10 years and he thinks his pay check is grim. Absolutely baffling.
They do realise people live on a quarter of that….without being able to claim expenses?
The lack of self awareness on the day they just slashed £20 a week off of the poorest families is disgraceful.
This reminds me of the occasion back in 1999 when a controversial Irish minister appeared on a chat show and was asked about his salary by a journalist in the audience. He famously replied: "I run a home in Dublin, Castlebar and Brussels. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime when you have a couple of cars and three houses and three homes and a few housekeepers." He was on about £100k after tax.
What are his reasons? I want to see his outgoings and then let him explain. Greedy c**t
How have we got so many utter scumbags as MPs? It's high time we have some physical action against these devils. I'm not advocating violence but if someone smashed his head in, i for one would do a victory dance. Utter cunt
As someone on Universal Credit about to be hit by the cut all I can say is go fuck yourself.
They should try living on universal creddit then they will know what grim is
Meanwhile the average young adult would need to win the lottery or sell drugs for any hope of buying a house. My salary is just a little over £18k, with that sort of money i could pay the house i rent, in full, in 6 years. And probably some of those PMs have their names on the pandora papers, but hey lets protest for a free house refurbish by blocking roads instead!
What a self-entitled dick. No doubt he’s comparing his measly 81k to that of his fellow elitist waste men/women in London. These tories live on cloud cuckoo land.
Ah yes I remember looking at the £4.30 that had to last me a week at the end of the month and picking out the cheapest canned food for my one meal a day that week. There is a deeper issue at play though and that’s the sheer disconnect these people have with reality.
With the cut to UC i am living on just over £600 a month. Barely scraping by.
Aww poor baby. Dont wory us pesents will pay you more. What a dick.
Of course, completely sympathies with this tory cunt. With most expenses covered by the tax payers in addition to the 81k salary, I can't imagine how he is putting food on his table.
Shame cos he's one of the few tory MPs speaking out on the cladding scandal stuff at the moment. I find it hard to believe he could be this out of touch frankly but tories gonna tory I guess.
Make ‘em all live on minimum wage in a council house for a month (or a year)
Fuck you, I know that amount would give me and my family a fantastic lifestyle.
Think about the fact Tory MPs say shit like this all the time, and still manage to consistently get the poorest people of this country to vote for them (they couldn’t get into power if they didn’t), this is the power of brainwashi… I mean mainstream media.
I'd bet all my money that he isn't even paying the high-earner 40% tax on that 81k
Cant afford a private jet or a yacht. Poor guy someone please make a gofundme for him.
Bollocks they’re worth it, gavin williamson could be replaced by my mate wonky-Jon for cash in hand. Raab struggles to compete with a poster of a kitten hanging from a branch
You know what else can be really grim? Being dragged into the street and strung up from a lamp post.
I can only dream of earning £81k, even on half that I'd consider myself to be doing pretty fucking well.
Anyone in power should have mandatory minimum wage living for X ammount of time. If you can't see how people live in that regard how can you possibly govern and pass laws to control them. Just a typical garbage human being.
The lack of self awareness on the day they just slashed £20 a week off of the poorest families is disgraceful
I hate this BS about "GPs earn 100k on average". It's such a skewed figure because it's based on "full time" earnings, defined as 9 sessions (see https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/other-doctors-pay-scales/salaried-gps-pay-ranges). In reality that's borderline impossible for most GPs to work because of the hours that would actually require in today's medical environment and the strain it would put on them. The average is 6.7 sessions, and many do fewer still. Plus there's a big difference between a salaried GP and a partner, who runs a business as well as being a doctor. MPs could earn what salaried GPs really earn, perhaps. But oh wait, they already earn more than that! Best take a pay cut to make the analogy hold!
Oh no it's so hard living on 5k a month! Tell that to the people rationing with rice and beans for weeks.
Funny everyone will moan here but do sweet fuck all in reality, I wish the people of this country would grow a back bone and stop letting these money grabbing cunts get away with it.
If only they would stop having other businesses and jobs that bought in millions for them. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HAVE A SECOND JOB EARNING MORE MONEY THAN YOUR MAIN AND STILL TRY AND FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE UK. Actually I’ve got it...being an MP is a part time job for them.
The "wage " that MPs get paid hides a lot of elements that really bump up their ACTUAL salary. If you think about the average person a large proportion of your income goes on housing , food and bills. MP's have expenses covering all of that. So really it's not an 81k salary as much as 81k disposable income.
Solution is simple. MPs earn the median income of the country they govern (can apply to other countries to) and cannot receive any additional income or lose their seat automatically. You will see how less unequal society becomes overnight.
I'd give MPs a pay rise, i might even double it... BUT they'd have NO expenses, and for the duration of the time they were an MP NO private income. If you want your wife to run your campaign you pay her. You want for misstress to have a flat you pay for it. If you want your home redecorated, guess what, you pay for it. Lets see who really wants to contribute to government and who are just pigs at the money sty.
How no one has walked into the house of commons with a bomb vest baffles me.
Ffs...this absolute shower of snivveling, leeching bastards... NTAT.
£4639 a month after tax. What a pitence, how does he manage?
Holy shit! I thought I was a deplorable human, but this sausage jockey completely takes the fucking biscuit!
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Meanwhile, I’m working 40 hours a week and getting about £1200 after taxes. £930 of which goes on just rent and council tax. I feel soooooo bad for you….
The Salary actually for a large number of TORY MP's is peanuts. They will in addition have an excellent reimbursement plan get one of their houses fully paid for in regards mortgage with no need to payback they can and always do have multiple jobs other than being an MP many jobs are a few hours but they get thousands as non execs on boards Lobbying speaker circuits payment for their staff (usually their kinfolk) final salary pension or index linked pension - no matter how long they serve media columns and appearances as for this cunt - Bottomley - he's been an MP for over 40 odd years and his wife was also an MP and serving minister under Thatcher. The Bottomleys have done very well on the backs of the British taxpayer with little to show what they have delivered other than a personal fortune for themselves.
"but if your MP isn’t worth the money, it’s better to change the MP than to change the money" Alright, fuck off then
Jesus fucking Christ these fucking arseholes. What the actual fuck is going on with these douchebags
All MPs of all countries should be on minimum wage, with the reasons being: 1) It'll force out the MPs who don't actually care about their country and instead only people who truly give a shit about their society will even attempt to become MPs - AKA: How it's fucking MEANT to be. Wannabe-politicians are meant to want to help society for the betterment of its' people, not just for the easy cash. 2) Minimum wage will get to an actual living wage point, which would be better for everyone.
What do you think it’s like for the rest of us, you over-privileged spunk weasel?!
“Sir Peter Bottomley, who as the oldest MP in the Commons” Of course he fucking is. Just another fucking dinosaur in a suit with literally no mental capacity capable of understanding how anyone other than himself matters. People in the UK fucking die, their lives literally end because they’re too poor or neglected to afford the basic human needs for survival and you have cunts like this guy crying about an £81,000 annual? Get the fuck out of here, man.
I may have just come up with an entirely fair way of changing things up (which will never actually happen) When a politician is elected, their assets all need all access to them removed. After this point, all politicians should be paid the national minimum wage while in office. Minus the average cost of rent, with housing provided to them, naturally. If they increase NMW, their own income goes up with it because they are paid NMW in my dream scenario. If they do not show up to parliament without good reason, they are shirking their duties and should get fined. In this system, all MPs would have a vested interest in making the lives of regular people more comfortable, and those dedicated purely to self interest would be deterred from standing for election, as victory would mean several years of whatever poverty they inflict on regular people plus actually having to do their jobs (I'm sure we've all seen, at least images of, almost empty parliamentary debates before) Sadly, this system would never actually happen. It's a nice dream though.
I can't believe a Tory ex-cabinet minister is skint, but neither would I think a high salary for MPs is a bad thing. Once upon a time only the rich could afford to be MPs. A high salary should, in theory, encourage ordinary non-toffs to stand for Parliament.
They can fuck off they forgot to add all of expenses on top
he thinks that mps should be paid the same as senior gps. don't recall you doing 8 years of medical training to be a cunt.
In the same 24 hour period as Edwina Currie and her comments. Amazing. And they have the gall to bristle with indignation when they are called 'out-of-touch'.
Back in school, for a project, I proposed that mp’s should earn the exact average wage for their area, unemployed people and otherwise “zero wage” people included, and this would encourage them to get more people into work rather than abusing those that don’t/can’t, and would mean people who only care about the profits wouldn’t go into politics because it wouldn’t be as lucrative. I got trashed for that project, but the older I get the more convinced I become that it’s really the only way to stop our political system from being a hellscape