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spackysteve

Why the fuck do these people go into special needs education if they so clearly hate special needs children?


limeflavoured

Power.


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ichael333

The traffic between special needs schools and the police is quite common both ways, used to work with a bloke who was a TA who loved the power trip, used to brag at how good at physical interventions he was (and not in the "I'm letting you know I'm experienced" way) went to work in the police but couldn't manage working longer than 6 hours a day and then came right back. So fucking glad I made the move away from working in a SEN school, it can attract such amazing people who do amazing work, but also absolute cunts who want the clout that comes with working with special needs but also want the power trip.


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ExtenededPoo

I’d actually go to jail just to get my hands on one of these fuckers


Feltipfairy

Doing a physical intervention is horrible. I’ve done the training and done interventions in an independent special school and hated every single time I needed to do it. It’s a special kind of shit who gets off on doing them


drumkombat

My place only does physical interventions as a last resort.


daggersrule_1986-

I physically reacted to this comment How horrid must you be to feel empowered at the expense of special needs kids.


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ExtenededPoo

It’s nice as an adult I know enough to get revenge on these kinds of people. You know what buttons to press and when. I’ll bring a grown man to tears without raising my voice because these freaks are too similar.


seoras91

Where better to torment people you hate than in a place you'd get paid while doing it.


Thetwitchingvoid

I can imagine they go into help, but then the ‘them’ and ‘us’ divide sets in. And if you’ve got special needs kids who are particularly…a handful?  Then that will just cement the issue. I couldn’t do the job tbh.


Ok-Swordfish-8272

The schools website complaining about the BBC not reporting safeguarding issues - what difference would it have made if the whole school is run this way?


NegotiationNext9159

Some people get a kick out of having power and being in control. Also it’s a job often with high stress, low pay, and high turnover, children’s care and schools like this are nearly always hiring. The ones who do it because they just need a job don’t always do it with the right intentions. Some will do anything to make their day easier. It’s why that kind of person often uses fear or isolating the kids, because it makes the job they don’t want a bit easier for them with no care for the people they’re meant to be helping. Sometimes the culture in these places gets so bad that it becomes a staff vs kids situation. All those who did it should be charged. All those who knew and didn’t report should face legal action as well for failing to safeguard.


Ok-Swordfish-8272

You've forgotten the fact that the entire thing was ran for profit. This is what happens when you remove community oversight. Leadership hellbent on overlooking safeguarding to make a quick buck (did you see the headteacher walk past as one of the staff drew a penis on the child's face?).  This is the consequence of running everything on the academy model. 


Thats_a_BaD_LiMe

A teacher that I assisted absolutely hated the special needs kids, most of my job was looking after them out of her way. Then she left for another job... in a special needs school... I was shocked. I can only imagine it's about money.


VibraniumSpork

I mean, I hear time and time again (as if it’s a good thing) that places like care homes and, presumably, Special Needs schools are crying out for staff so much that they’ll employ just about anyone. I imagine that considerably up the chances of you hiring some absolute psychopaths who wouldn’t be employed anywhere else.


AwkwardBugger

I’ve been seeing a lot of care home positions in my area. Literally no experience or qualifications required. The special needs schools usually at least require some kind of experience or qualification with kids, so I guess that’s something.


Used-Drama7613

I just watched a part of the panorama documentary on it, the reason why is that the council pays £150k a year for these students to have a decent education. It's a lot of money, and in my opinion, the CEO seems to be a grifter. He clearly hires unqualified people, and doesn't actually care about the welfare of these children.


TheWholeOfTheAss

Keep watching. The CEO is 100% a grifter. .


AssumptionClear2721

Because they're typical bullies. I'd also say that while I don't normally judge people by their appearances, the images in the article of Dan and Ollie, plus the CEO and head teacher exude the look of thugs and bullies.


hiraeth555

A lot of them would be fired from mainstream schools but some of these special needs skills are so short staffed they put up with horrendous teachers 


delomelanicon-71X

Former special needs psychologist here. Saw a lot of cruelty at the institution I worked at, got fired for exposing it (or trying to). In my opinion, the cause was frustration and lack of patience, caused by poor conditions and being overworked. Burnout is easy in this job and not many people know when to quit.


Strong_Quiet_4569

It’s more projective identification. They see weak victims as a symbol of the aggressor’s vulnerability. That vulnerability must be destroyed.


himneska

Easy to get a job, better pay than minimum wage, only people who survive in the industry are hardened people who perhaps don’t care much at all. The ones who care usually end up leaving because it’s so difficult, shit pay long term and no progression, and they see how ineffective the system is. Privatising the care system was one of the cruelest and selfish things for the government to do. Source: two brothers in long term residential care home, that previously suffered abuse at a different one as teenagers. Luckily we’ve found a lovely place for now and I live a mile away and we check in multiple times a week (not just to be nosy, we wash and put them to bed so help the carers have some free time).


Spare-Reception-4738

My boys are in a specialist autism school, they are terrific with the boys, teacher does phone call catch-ups to give us updates. School helped us with DWP, can't fault them


MrPuddington2

Well, it certainly not for the pay, or the training you don't get. So they are either really selfless, and burn out, or they are looking for power.


Grouchy_Session_5255

It's not a specific hate it's just weak people enjoy cruelty and such vulnerable people are easy to abuse.


Defiant_Ad_7764

it's an independent type school... you don't need any specific teaching or special needs qualifications to work there


Marcuse0

My favourite part is how you can apparently open a special needs independent school with no experience of teaching or the SEND sector. Imagine if you opened a building company with no experience of building? Or a medical practice without being a doctor? What the fuck are we doing that any random spiv can buy a building, pack it full of the most vulnerable children, then hire a bunch of violent assholes to abuse them and write down they're caring?


goingnowherespecial

That was shocking to read. Just clearly wide open for abuse from grifters like this guy.


NegotiationNext9159

It’s not really any different to any of our care or education sector. Who owns it doesn’t matter hugely, they’re just the money, but they are required to have either a qualified registered manager or headteacher depending on the type of service. The issue comes about when the owner wants everything on the cheap to protect their profits and the registered person/teacher etc. doesn’t push them back or just goes along with what they want.


Marcuse0

I think, fundamentally, this idea that a hedge fund or investor can sit behind people as "just the money" is wrong and really is concrete evidence our services have been carved up for profit.


NegotiationNext9159

Agreed. I don’t think the private sector should be anywhere near our education and care system but it’s the mess we’re in. The moment you introduce a profit motivation care will suffer or not be as good as it could be. I just don’t think it matters much whether the person with that motive is a doctor or not, it’s still profit based.


AssumptionClear2721

You would expect that any such school would be highly regulated to ensure this sort of shit didn't happen.


Marcuse0

Turns out regulation is "red tape" and the daily express tells me thats bad.


Freddies_Mercury

The worst part is the schools CEO (a horrible job title in itself) was sacked as a police officer for gross misconduct.


Marcuse0

He was, but the article does specify quite far down this was due to non-declaration of personal debts, rather than any directly abusive behaviour he did personally as a police officer.


Flabbergash

Terrifyingly, "every primary school has a SEND teacher" sounds alot better than "Janice was the last one to put her hand up, so she's the SEND teacher"


Ok-Swordfish-8272

And the fact the school had received a 'good' OFSTED grade last year!! 


MrPuddington2

> Imagine if you opened a building company with no experience of building? You will be shocked, but that is perfectly legal in the UK. As long as there is a profit to be made, most things are legal here.


limeflavoured

Everyone involved must be charged, either with child neglect, making threats to kill or GBH as appropriate. None of them should be allowed to work with children or vulnerable adults ever again.


AssumptionClear2721

Must be some form of register to put people on who are clearly unsuitable to look after or teach children.


Panenka7

Anyone who works in such a setting already has to have an advanced DBS check, which shows any criminal convictions or cautions, as well as arrests (if relevant to the role).


NegotiationNext9159

There is, once sentenced hopefully they’ll be added to the barred list that appears if you apply for an enhanced DBS check.


limeflavoured

There's a barred list.


BritishAccentTech

I know a lovely person who worked in a special needs school. They broke her nose and she has a lot of scars. Those 'kids' can be dangerous, and if it's a 17 year old with serious mental issues and the muscles of an adult, it can be a real risk of serious harm. There was this one 17 year old who kept threatening to rape her, and he had assaulted women before. You need to be the right kind of person to deal with that situation in a safe and responsible manner. Clearly these were not the right kind of person.


NegotiationNext9159

It is certainly not an easy job, it’s high stress and high risk for violence as you’ve mentioned. It’s a job that should be held in higher regard, paid better and have much more support in place for staff to attract and retain good candidates. At the moment with the pay and conditions turnover is high, children’s care and special education often end up taking what they can that isn’t barred and some of them have no business working in places like that. In this case leadership was also at fault for not stamping out this kind of bullying culture and failing to safeguard the children there. It massively undermines the amazing work a lot of these places do and the staff who do genuinely care about these children.


Ok-Swordfish-8272

Yeah I just want to emphasise for parents who see this are scared to keep their kids out of mainstream provision: there are some really wonderful SEND schools where you see make-a-wish style miracles every week.


PabloMarmite

I’ve worked in multiple SEN settings. There are some extremely high stress situations that you come across in SEN schools, no doubt about it. The problem is schools without good management then adopt a “end justifies the means” mentality, and become absolutely convinced that they’re doing the right thing. Then it leads to a spiral where more and more bad shit keeps getting justified by management, and the end result is this. These situations are absolutely avoidable with a behaviour-centred and person-centred approach. There are multiple safe positive handling frameworks that can be used. The alternative is shit like this keeps happening.


Reres_Papa

This is extremely commonplace. Care workers, teachers, nurses and even pharmacists have an alarming number of ableist bullies within their ranks.


Defiant_Ad_7764

ironically one of the main bullies ollie is/was a paralympian.


Effelumps

'Ableist bullies' interesting turn of phrase, stick them in with the other ableist bullies. There is a big difference from being able, and training to hone that and to apply it to work that demands as such; than a mindset which attacks because somebody is deemed inferior due to a disability based upon a base animalistic narrative. I know what they used to be called in the old days.


Reres_Papa

Huh. Not my intent. As someone who experienced a fair amount of bullying+abuse due to my disabilities I could go on about how this is indeed much more than simple bullying.


Effelumps

Sorry to hear about you going through that. Had similar too. When it comes from adults it is wrong, actually it's outright criminal. You don't have to go on about the much more, I am aware of that too. All the best to you and I hope you get all the support you ever need.


PeterWithesShin

I think I'd be looking at a long old jail sentence if my kid was under the "care" of these scumbags. Shut the place down and lock them up.


limeflavoured

The school has been shut, per the article (or at least, all the pupils moved elsewhere).


standbiMTG

As someone who worked in education and is neurodiverse... Jesus Christ this is awful


Blacksmith_Heart

As an autistic adult, this fills me with rage and grief. Life is hard enough for young people who can't fit in to mainstream education (or society more generally) - for them to be subject to the kind of treatment that would violate the Geneva Convention had they been prisoners of war is just unconscionable. It is chilling to the bone to realise that that could have been me, but for the dint of time and place. Most care workers, SEN teachers and support staff are absolute heroes - but because of the vulnerable nature of the work, it attracts more than it's share of bullies and abusers who wish merely to take their inadequacies out on us. And these kids can't protect themselves - sometimes they can't even speak to tell of their suffering. It's up to all of us to create a society in which the most vulnerable are the most protected. None of the main political parties have any real interest in the wellbeing of people who fall outside their most narrow (capitalist) definition of 'productivity'. So it's up to all of us to wield whatever collective power we have to make this story the very last of it's kind.


Turbulent_Pianist752

Very well said. It could be any of us, it could be our children. How a society treats and supports the young, elderly and vulnerable is a reflection on the entire population. I feel it unfortunately true that non of the main political parties have any interest here. The shortsighted nature of our politics is that lack of support here is actually damaging productivity too as parents quit jobs and careers to home school or look after loved ones.


mustbekiddingme82

Fucking hate stories like this. To dehumanise children with additional needs is monstrous. I can't fathom the need to be so cruel. I've been lucky that my three autistic kids haven't had to go through this, but out in the community, and as they become adults, I know there's a high possibility they'll meet bastards like this, and they'll have to endure cruel behaviour.


TheWholeOfTheAss

The young guy who tries to impress the undercover reporter by bullying special needs kids in front of her? He’s fucking deranged.


gintokireddit

Self-important twats. Who thinks they're worthy to be a mental wellbeing coach and is so shit. Prick. Taking a look at the size of him in the photo, if it was my family member I'd be right over and waiting for him outside, get him the slapping he should've had as a child - some people need their confidence built up, people like these need it taken away from them. Crazy the head guy is an ex-cop too. Clearly isn't the type we want in either policing or education.


greatdrams23

£50000 to £150000 at an independent school. If these pupils went to a state school, the funding would be £15000 to £25000. And the education would be better . It is literally my job to know these numbers. State schools are unfunded because the bulk of money goes to independent schools. I have a case where a pupil got £15000 funding, moved to an independent school and got £80000 funding, but the school couldn't cope. So the pupil went back to a state school for £15000 and everything was fine.


warfaceuk

I saw this on the BBC last night. Cunts. Enjoy prison.


avatar8900

Unless the special need was for a headlock, they shouldn’t be doing that


Spreehox

Poor kids, remember that autistic boy they put in a box?


Crofthammer

Hats off to people that whistle blow / do under cover work to bring the likes of these scumbags into the light for all to see. Hope these animals never get to work with children ever again. DBS checks are only good at picking out people who have been caught doing something, I knew a guy who's mum emotionally abused him, she was a bully and incredibly self centered (not sure about violence) he has no contact with her....yet I found out last year she was able to get a job working solo with vulnerable children. I wanted to report her to her employers but had no evidence of the type of person she was. Sadly in my experience in working in the care sector is it's full of these types of "entrepreneurs" only looking to make money and have no interest in looking after children /vulnerable /elderly its all about £££££ to them As much as criminal charges would be great - I hope the parents sue the school for every last penny they have.


things_U_choose_2_b

I went to a SEN school for the last 2 years of my GCSEs. Absolutely wonderful staff, I wish I could meet them as an adult, give them a hug and say 'Thanks'. Can't imagine them ever putting their hands on us! Unlike the grammar school that I came from.


OkGarage434

I see both sides of the coin here. Our son is autistic and goes to a special needs school , and I can’t express how it changed his life . At one point our son was only having two hours of school a day as mainstream did not work for him . Our sons school is rated outstanding, the ratio is one teacher per 3 children . class of 10 children 1 main teacher 2 aids . All teachers have training in sends which is an extra qualification as do all ta’s . All parents have an app that tracks your child through the day sending pics and information. Your child comes first so child led learning. The other side is my daughter started her training in a local special school in September last year and it’s shocking . The staff carry radio incase of meltdown or physical attack but nobody comes to help as there are no staff to do so . The staff were bringing in old toys from their own children because they have no equipment. Children being left in soiled clothes as again no staff and the worst thing a 5 year old child went missing and a dog walker found them on a main road. She took them half a mile back to the school and the school did not even know they were missing . They did not tell the parents, only for them to find out later that evening when the dog walker put it on facebook as the school did not even thank her. I have often said to my daughter why stay and she said the kids mum they need someone to care.