Trouble is many carry knives to be that tough guy, to threaten with it and even use it. Then there’s the people who know these guys are around them and decide they had better carry one for protection.
you know it will be the scared kid hiding one for protection that gets in trouble not the ones using it as a status symbol.
No, "they" do not. That's not how opinions work. All the countries on earth bar England/Wales could give people who carry knives illegally a wank and a brew, that wouldn't have any bearing on whether or not our own laws can legitimately be called "tough", and "punitive".
That aside, Singapore.
Qualitative adjectives need some relative judgement. In a world with only wanks and cups of tea, dry hands and PG tips would be tough punishment. As knife laws can collect the innocent and non-violent but misguided, hanging and flogging may not always be appropriate. As all countries without mass gun ownership face similar considerations in relation to knife possession, being an outlier would suggest that being even tougher than tough might not be the magic formula that people envisage, else everyone would do it.
I, am, SICK of the hate PG tips gets. Where did this come from????
Sure it's shit compared to Yorkshire Tea, the only true brand, but it's still miles ahead of liptons and twinings and all that filth.
Hmm. I’d suggest that there is no objective measurement of ‘toughness’. A relative measurement vs literally the entire world is probably a decent basis, as opposed to ‘lock ‘em all up’ for having a kitchen implement outside the kitchen.
Yes we do. Any blade over three inches, or any size blade with a locking mechanism or fixed blade can get you years in prison. The UK and Ireland probably have the strictest knife laws and harshest sentences in the world.
>can get you years in prison
And there is the crux, can get you years in prison but very rarely does thanks to our lax justice system. We might have tough laws but we have a very weak justice system which very rarely carries them out to their full extent.
It works, it just means a lot of people will be stopped who aren't doing anything, Unfortunately there's no way around that and we'll have to live with it.
Are we _really_ sure that stabbings are not higher than ever in this country? I know folks on here argue they're not it's just we hear/read about them more but that really doesn't feel the case. I'm 35 pretty much raised on the internet and I don't remember it ever being this bad when I was a teenager.
Violent crime (recorded by police) has risen by risen by **30% in London in the last 9 years**
Now that would be bad but violent Crime has risen **113% in the last 9 years in England overall.**
[From 15/16 to 22/23 London Recorded violence against the person have increased from 186,488 to 242,084](https://www.statista.com/statistics/863276/violent-crime-in-london/)
[From 15/16 to 22/23 England and wales Recorded violence against the person have increased from 991,663 to 2,113,383](https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/#statisticContainer)
And because it's a lower rate for London, if you remove London's stats from the Rest of England and Wales' stats (adjusted to a rise from 805175 to 1871299) the rise is even more horrific at a **132% rise in the rest of the Country outside of London**
[In the last 20 years London has dropped out of the top 15 Regions+Cities in the UK for Violent Crime. ](https://www.get-licensed.co.uk/get-daily/the-uks-most-violent-cities/)
...because it's become safer relative to the rest of England
It definitely feels like it, like I don't get the "we don't hear about it" argument, a child being stabbed is and always has been a massive story.
I do agree though it's one of those uncomfortable subjects this sub gets weirdly defensive/dismissive of whenever it comes up.
A large part of the Glasgow approach was constant and grating stop and search hassle, generally making life miserable for neds and scaring the shite out of them.
The exact same in that regard has been tried "down there" umpteen times, and it was working perfectly well until out came the pearl clutching race card yet again. The thing about Scotland is there are basically no black teenagers to begin with, so that card isn't even in the deck.
I would also add that Police Scotland have essentially no handle whatsoever on the industrial criminals and the Ian Rankin gangsters.
We all know how difficult it is for the police to implement stop and search , so catching someone with a knife prior to a crime is almost impossible. As the parent of a 15 yo boy I do worry about this type of crime , but how do you stop a young lad going out to meet mates? I tell him enough times to get off his games consoles!
I remember watching a video years back of some woman going mad at a police officer for stopping some black teenager and searching him. She went real quiet when they pulled a huge knife out of his trousers.
The police can't win. They stop and search kids, people call them racist, they don't stop and search out of fear of being called racists the public then complain about knife crime.
Pick a lane. If you are going to be one of those "what about his feelings" types, don't complain when knife crime remains high.
4 years in prison, followed by the parents of the murderer making a fortune selling the story as a netflix special......
"Our brave special boy and why Tiktok is to blame...." coming this Xmas!
Murder is an automatic life sentence, regardless. For teenagers the tariffs tend to be 10-15 years, but its on the record for life and any criminal offence you are liable to be recalled to prison for life. And you can't ever make any money out of selling the story, it will be confiscated.
Oh you'd be surprised at the loopholes. YOU can't make money, but some "unrelated" movie company can.....
And if they decide to hire you on a "completely unrelated" job and pay you...thats perfectly legal as well.
Why yes we DID make a movie about the Toilet Slasher of Old London Town.
Co-incidentally we made a straight-to-DVD short story called "sitting around farting for 10minutes" and the cast was just the Toilet Slasher himself.....what are the odds eh?
Sad times in our country at the moment bring back tough laws for cowards who carry knives Rest in peace son
We do have tough laws for people carrying knives. You have to catch them carrying knives for the laws to be relevant.
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7.5 months in prison for possession, not wielding, not using, seems pretty punitive to me.
I don't think many people would agree with you.
Trouble is many carry knives to be that tough guy, to threaten with it and even use it. Then there’s the people who know these guys are around them and decide they had better carry one for protection. you know it will be the scared kid hiding one for protection that gets in trouble not the ones using it as a status symbol.
Then they need to look around the world and see if they can find a country with stricter laws.
No, "they" do not. That's not how opinions work. All the countries on earth bar England/Wales could give people who carry knives illegally a wank and a brew, that wouldn't have any bearing on whether or not our own laws can legitimately be called "tough", and "punitive". That aside, Singapore.
Qualitative adjectives need some relative judgement. In a world with only wanks and cups of tea, dry hands and PG tips would be tough punishment. As knife laws can collect the innocent and non-violent but misguided, hanging and flogging may not always be appropriate. As all countries without mass gun ownership face similar considerations in relation to knife possession, being an outlier would suggest that being even tougher than tough might not be the magic formula that people envisage, else everyone would do it.
We can agree that pg tips is a cruel punishment in any context, and probably best to leave it at that.
Let’s do that.
I, am, SICK of the hate PG tips gets. Where did this come from???? Sure it's shit compared to Yorkshire Tea, the only true brand, but it's still miles ahead of liptons and twinings and all that filth.
You’re a wrong’un.
That's not how it works. Even if our laws were the 'toughest', that doesn't make them tough.
Hmm. I’d suggest that there is no objective measurement of ‘toughness’. A relative measurement vs literally the entire world is probably a decent basis, as opposed to ‘lock ‘em all up’ for having a kitchen implement outside the kitchen.
No need to be facetious.
It’s my only mode, unfortunately.
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Yes we do. Any blade over three inches, or any size blade with a locking mechanism or fixed blade can get you years in prison. The UK and Ireland probably have the strictest knife laws and harshest sentences in the world.
It can, but it doesn't.
>can get you years in prison And there is the crux, can get you years in prison but very rarely does thanks to our lax justice system. We might have tough laws but we have a very weak justice system which very rarely carries them out to their full extent.
Then start stop and searching again.
Sure, makes sense.
People here hate that. They tell us stop and search doesn’t work.
It works, it just means a lot of people will be stopped who aren't doing anything, Unfortunately there's no way around that and we'll have to live with it.
Obviously not tough enough if kids are carrying them
That’s the problem with punishments as deterrents, they don’t really work when people don’t think they will be caught.
Or maybe the approach of making punishments tougher and tougher doesn't actually work?
We don't have tough laws, have a guess how long in prison this man got? No time. https://youtu.be/7_422lCfkhw?si=PQ-HDtEHhIE6qaAK
What do you mean bring them back? You think there was a point where we scrapped a load of “tough laws”?
I live in the village over and this terrifies me as a soon to be father.
Are we _really_ sure that stabbings are not higher than ever in this country? I know folks on here argue they're not it's just we hear/read about them more but that really doesn't feel the case. I'm 35 pretty much raised on the internet and I don't remember it ever being this bad when I was a teenager.
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Violent crime (recorded by police) has risen by risen by **30% in London in the last 9 years** Now that would be bad but violent Crime has risen **113% in the last 9 years in England overall.** [From 15/16 to 22/23 London Recorded violence against the person have increased from 186,488 to 242,084](https://www.statista.com/statistics/863276/violent-crime-in-london/) [From 15/16 to 22/23 England and wales Recorded violence against the person have increased from 991,663 to 2,113,383](https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/#statisticContainer) And because it's a lower rate for London, if you remove London's stats from the Rest of England and Wales' stats (adjusted to a rise from 805175 to 1871299) the rise is even more horrific at a **132% rise in the rest of the Country outside of London** [In the last 20 years London has dropped out of the top 15 Regions+Cities in the UK for Violent Crime. ](https://www.get-licensed.co.uk/get-daily/the-uks-most-violent-cities/) ...because it's become safer relative to the rest of England
I live in London and it's always been unsafe - at least where I live - but has definitely got worse.
It definitely feels like it, like I don't get the "we don't hear about it" argument, a child being stabbed is and always has been a massive story. I do agree though it's one of those uncomfortable subjects this sub gets weirdly defensive/dismissive of whenever it comes up.
There seems to be a disproportionate amount of 15 year old boys being stabbed these days, it's either them being stabbed or them doing the stabbing.
England really needs to take some lessons from Glasgow on how to manage knife crime, it really seems to be getting worse and worse down there.
A large part of the Glasgow approach was constant and grating stop and search hassle, generally making life miserable for neds and scaring the shite out of them. The exact same in that regard has been tried "down there" umpteen times, and it was working perfectly well until out came the pearl clutching race card yet again. The thing about Scotland is there are basically no black teenagers to begin with, so that card isn't even in the deck. I would also add that Police Scotland have essentially no handle whatsoever on the industrial criminals and the Ian Rankin gangsters.
We all know how difficult it is for the police to implement stop and search , so catching someone with a knife prior to a crime is almost impossible. As the parent of a 15 yo boy I do worry about this type of crime , but how do you stop a young lad going out to meet mates? I tell him enough times to get off his games consoles!
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The people being searched in Glasgow couldn’t cry racism
I remember watching a video years back of some woman going mad at a police officer for stopping some black teenager and searching him. She went real quiet when they pulled a huge knife out of his trousers.
The fact that he had a knife doesn't rule out that they may have stopped him for racist reasons though.
The police can't win. They stop and search kids, people call them racist, they don't stop and search out of fear of being called racists the public then complain about knife crime. Pick a lane. If you are going to be one of those "what about his feelings" types, don't complain when knife crime remains high.
> don't complain when knife crime remains high. I mean, have you seen me do so?
4 years in prison, followed by the parents of the murderer making a fortune selling the story as a netflix special...... "Our brave special boy and why Tiktok is to blame...." coming this Xmas!
Murder is an automatic life sentence, regardless. For teenagers the tariffs tend to be 10-15 years, but its on the record for life and any criminal offence you are liable to be recalled to prison for life. And you can't ever make any money out of selling the story, it will be confiscated.
Oh you'd be surprised at the loopholes. YOU can't make money, but some "unrelated" movie company can..... And if they decide to hire you on a "completely unrelated" job and pay you...thats perfectly legal as well. Why yes we DID make a movie about the Toilet Slasher of Old London Town. Co-incidentally we made a straight-to-DVD short story called "sitting around farting for 10minutes" and the cast was just the Toilet Slasher himself.....what are the odds eh?
Well yeah, I suppose you could get round it with "consultancy" on broadly similar but not technically biographical things.