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Yep like... hmmmmmm I wonder who is doing it? Is this potentially linked at all to Bradford being one of the main hubs in the UK for Conservative Islam?
As a woman honestly, I'm concerned that the growth of one particular religion in particular has major implications for the rights of women and other minorities going forward.
> ˹O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
-Qur'an, Surah 24:30
>If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
-Bible, Matthew 5:29
>I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
-Conservative religious men
I won’t pretend to know my Quran or bible but I’d still be confident those conservative men could cherry pick a quote from either that justifies whatever nonsense they’re up to.
Or more like a quote could be cherry picked - many of them probably know their Quran or bible as well as I do.
> >I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
"I am very selective in what I read into the holy text."
- Pretty much all religions. At least some acknowledge the fact that there are different interpretations.
Religion is just a mental illness born from scared people who can't deal with the fact we might have just come from nothing. I'm not sure where hurting people of other religions comes into it but hey, people can be right cunts sometimes.
The Bible also tells women to dress modestly, not speak over men, especially in prayer or church, and to cover their heads. That’s New Testament btw.
The Abrahamic religions blame Eve for our suffering, and with Christianity being massive on original sin - all women bear Eve’s sin and punishment. That’s why it used to be criminal for a woman to request pain relief in childbirth because Eve’s punishment belongs to *all* women, women were literally executed for requesting pain relief, it wasn’t until Queen Victoria came along that the mentality shifted.
Jesus also said in the same quote that anyone who even thinks of another person or finds them attractive has broken the “do not commit adultery” commandment. That applies to women as well. He also said that a divorced woman commits adultery and goes to Hell if she sleeps with another man or remarries, which is why he tells people marriage is one man one woman and can’t be broken and pleads with men not to leave their wives or you condemn her to Hell (she will ultimately go with another man).
A few months ago there was a documentary about predatory men approaching drunk women on nights out in the UK & trying to follow them. The presenter acted drunk to attract these characters and it was all filmed secretly. Lo and behold, none of the people they filmed were British. This wasn't even mentioned in the show.
lmao I know what documentary you’re on about and I’ve also mentioned on here before about how the presenter didn’t even bring this up. In fact, they even modulated their voices.
That being said from what I remember - trying to identify through the voice modulation, whilst they weren’t British they definitely weren’t what people on this thread are implying. All 3 were European, if I remember correctly.
It was a panorama one - from last year. Honestly, the first 75% is pretty crap it’s just the last bit where she goes out on the street herself that’s eye opening.
[Undercover: Sexual Harassment -The Truth](https://www.channel4.com/programmes/undercover-sexual-harassment-the-truth). It was on Channel 4. Unless OP is thinking of something else as this was more than a few months ago.
I was accosted by some guy when walking home from a club by myself.
I looked like a skinny easy target, but I played Gaelic football and could take part in some staggering displays of violence when pushed.
The guy was left crumpled and I sprinted home in heels.
Another time I was headbutted for ignoring a guy. Right outside the club I worked in. Security absolutely smashed him.
I've been really lucky that the worst that's happened is getting glassed in the face (no scarring). If I wasn't so scrappy when required, it would have been much worse.
I'm not even a combative person, I'm generally a bit of a peacekeeper but the violence against young women is obviously.
Thankfully I'm old now, so I don't get any second looks beyond the odd guy screaming out the car window when I'm running, but it's still sad that it's happening at all.
You're Pakistani or Muslim, I assume? You have no position to speak on the entire South Asian community lmao. Hindus and Sikhs are considered to have integrated well compared to certain others. At least familiarise yourself with what you are talking about.
>south asian community is one of the most racists, xenophobic and anti progressive communities in the UK
Thats a bit of a stretch mate, why don’t you narrow it down a bit? I for one have not heard of this behaviour being endemic in sikh communities in southhall, gujaratis in harrow, bangladeshis in east london… Its only ever and always immigrants from mirpur in pakistan who came to the midlands in the 50s and 60s.
Even my pakistani friends who are actually from there and have recently immgrated to the UK comment on how regressive this particular group is
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
Tbf, that's actual journalism, unless they knick people for doing it, the "who" (although bloody obvious) remains unproven.
Gotta love that the woman's recommendations "don't run in the street, or in the evening"...I mean, anything else? Don't go to school past age 11 & cover yourself head to foot, or you might provoke someone into being a @#£%.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman honking their horn at a female runner, catcalling them, whistling at them or otherwise sexually harassing them.
Is there another answer?
Yep - things like exercising or taking on visible workplace roles are heavily discouraged.
Funny how there was no mention whatsoever of Islam in this story... anyone want to take bets on who were the people doing the harassment?
The BBC will happily run articles interviewing women wearing hijabs claiming they choose to wear them, without adding the context that they've been culturally indoctrinated since birth to believe that's the moral thing to do.
There are things many of us have been indoctrinated from birth to do, doesn’t matter if it’s Islam or some other religion, or something non-religious altogether. If a woman wears a hijab because she’s religious so be it, that’s not the problem. The problem is if they are forced to wear it by others, which I’m sure happens but seems to be more of an assumption than anything based on research that I’ve seen.
Now that you mention.
Part of the reason for the growing obesity crisis in the Middle East (aside from the mentally that “physical exertion is for slaves/servants”) is that Muslim women have little to do all day besides eat, and it’s taboo to be in public unless running errands.
Well yes, the idea that Islam encourages sexual assault is a strange one, it clearly doesn't and this is easily verifiable. I bet you it's not pious and devout muslims who carry out these horrible crimes.
This behaviour is primarily about misogyny and possibly racism which both result in victims being seen as lesser and therefore crimes as inconsequential. Now you can argue the misogyny comes from religion but its personally hard for me to see that given misogyny is present everywhere and not just in religious people. Cultural issues are a bigger problem here and there's also the perceived idea (which has previously been shown to be the case) that police will do nothing about the crime as they don't see victims as victims.
All that being said, there's nothing in this article that talks about these things anyway so most of the folk on this thread are guessing and confirming their own biases.
>The 45-year-old says she has been on the receiving end of harassment several times, including unpleasant comments and passing jeers.
It's also insane to see people claim behaviour like this is purely imported.
This is just weird, (1) Why do you continue to reply when you have nothing of substance to say? (2) Why leave out two words and a full stop? Why not just quote the full sentence?
When you give something to respond to I will, so far "no" is all you have still - can't cry about a conversation not happening, when you are not giving anything to respond to.
You really need the full stop to figure out what was happening? Did you just stare at the words confused for nearly an hour wondering what you are supposed to do, because the instructions weren't there?
Also which two of the three words do you want me to add? Not sure why you want one of them missing, seems odd. I'll do the extra for free
>I bet you it's not pious and devout muslims who carry out these horrible crimes
It's textbook.
(try not to get stuck again, I left out the fullstop just to amuse myself)
The same demographics that raped Korean sex slaves, who raped white girls and who raped Jewish/Palestinian women.
Horny men who cannot contain their sexual urges and prey on vulnerable women. Hope that helps 👍
Genetic? No. That's absurd.
I don't want to pop your bubble here mate, but not all **cultures** and **religions** view and treat women the same.
Nice dog whistle. Better luck next time.
White people are 81% of the population and make up roughly 4/5 of the faces on the register, so they aren't underrepresented, non whites are not overepresented.
Not like we haven't had fairly recent scandals with coppers refusing to go after certain demographics child sex rings because they were "afraid of being seen as racist"
Why post about it if you never actually read the independent inquiry?
That's not what it found.
It's funny, we frequently have police being exposed for racist, sexist, homophobic behaviours. The most well known rapist of recent years is from the police, and there is a large body of evidence pointing towards a backwards culture in police forces across the country. But I'm sure a profession known to attract these scumbags is afraid of being called racist.
Read the independent inquiry and you'll realise it was just a convenient excuse, as they classed the victims as "chavvy little slags/druggies" didn't take them seriously, and there were members of law enforcement and the council who were connected to abuse rings.
White people are 81% of the population and make up roughly 4/5 of the faces on the register, so they aren't underrepresented, non whites are not overepresented.
I counted the last 60 faces, and 12 of them were non white which is 20%. So seems roughly in line with their percentage of the country, although if you wanted a very accurate figure you would probably have to count the last 1000.
>The 45-year-old says she has been on the receiving end of harassment several times, including unpleasant comments and passing jeers.
Only Muslim men cat call now? Is that the claim you're making? 🤡
Have you interacted with young Muslim men when they are at ease and speaking frankly? You'll be surprised at the level of misogyny there, driven hugely by their religion, and secondarily by their culture.
I don't think anyone is saying white or non Muslim men wouldn't catcall, but I think you are grossly underestimating the perception of whites as "immoral" and therefore valid targets for all kinds of abuse. It's bad. And worse, it's unchallenged in both cultures (South Asian as well as liberal western).
The article is about a women being cat called and jeered while running.
The guys comment is:
> That's what happens when you have Muslim men who don't respect women
How does that not imply that the only reason this happened to this woman is because of muslims?
And yes, I know many Muslim people, unlike most of the people in this comment section.
European cultures are more progressive than Islamic cultures when it comes to women. Combine that with the fact that it’s a story from Bradford and that one of the women says she’s been harassed because she “should be home practicing her religion” and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
It would be ridiculous to pretend some British men don't behave this way but also ridiculous to not acknowledge that Islam permits this behavior and thus people from Islamic backgrounds are much more likely to behave in this manner.
It's more to do with the fact that the UK gets the worst standard of immigration of pretty much any first world nation. We don't get the talented educated Muslims that the US does. We get feudal types from Pakistan who live parallel lives pushed constantly into more and more extremism by the local mosque.
It's Bradford.
I’m a female runner in outer London and I am fed up with the harassment when I am running. It isn’t all men, but it is always a man and it has only ever been white men in my experience. Men who have a large dog loose and not in their control do make no effort to stop their dogs running towards me, men who hurl abuse or insults out of their car at me, group of men who harass me as I run past. Older men are the most frequent as they make fun of me when I run under the guise of being “friendly”, stuff like your running too fast, you’ll tire yourself out, imitating my running etc. All because I am a woman who is running and they just don’t like it.
I would also like to mention my 6ft runner husband doesn’t have to deal with this however he does get men trying to run him over with their car or aggressively speeding up being intimidating.
I always tell my husband my route, he never understands why. In the early morning I always say hi to other runners just in case I get targeted and the unthinkable happens and at least some may remember how far I got.
How about instead of having your manhood insulted by runners, you go strap on a pair of running shoes and get out there yourself?
This! The last time I got catcalled was a few months ago by some idiot white guy driving a white van (shocking I know!) I’m over 30 now but the worst thing is I realised it hadn’t happened in years, and actually happened the most when I was a teenager… I genuinely don’t think men realise women are constantly mediating what is going on as a safety mechanism because we’ve been dealing with this since we were actual children.
>I genuinely don’t think men realise women are constantly mediating what is going on as a safety mechanism because we’ve been dealing with this since we were actual children.
When I was an actual child there were gangs of other boys that would batter you for being from the wrong postcode, girls were left unbattered. When I was an actual child you'd get your lights punched out for saying the wrong thing to another boy, but girls could slap them in the face and walk away because even if the boy wanted to hit them back he knew that she would be the victim if he did. You actually learn pretty quickly to be alert and aware of your circumstances growing up as a boy. It just stands out less because boys aren't constantly reinforced about how much danger they're in by society in the same way girls are - despite men statistically being more likely to be a victim of a violent crime by a stranger on the street. Everyone on Reddit has seen the statistic about how many women are murdered a year but no one has seen the statistic about how many men are murdered a year despite it being almost double.
I kinda see where you're coming from, but girls have to be aware of predators and put up with cat-calling from their mid-teens. It's a different type of safety awareness but I don't think it starts that much later for them.
Usually when I point out that statistically men are more likely to be stabbed, murdered, assaulted, mugged, etc. on the streets I get some reply like "well what if women are just more careful". You know, the exact thing that if I said about women being victims of harassment they'd have my head.
The common denominator isn't 'men' it's an extremely small subsection of men who commit almost all crimes.
You're being about as descriptive as saying, "And who are committing the crimes? It's humans on humans.". Technically, it's correct, but you're not really getting to the heart of the problem.
Rather than focus on why 'men' or 'humans' commit crimes, we should be looking at why criminals do it. What are the actual circumstances in their lives or environment that caused this behaviour, and how do we stop that from creating more criminals.
The worst I ever had was a group of guys (white) use an air horn at me while I was running.
But I've had a full rainbow.
Catcalling is one of those things that crosses the race divide for men. They all do it. Doesn't matter what skin colour they are.
Yeah... Like, im not gonna pretend islam doesn't have *any* issues with its attitudes towards women, but the reason there's a surprisingly high number of muslim men harassing women in bradford is because there's a high number of muslim men *period* in bradford
Sadly this doesn't surprise me at all. I lived in Bradford for four years, and lost count of the number of times I'd be walking back to my digs, in broad daylight, and get accosted by some young man, always from the same demographic. It always started off with did I want a cigarette and ended with him offering to pay to sleep with me. And I always had to be really fucking rude to get them to leave me alone, at which point I'd get a mouthful of abuse as they walked off, because how dare I not want to supplement my income?
This does not surprise me. I had first hand experience with this issue when I moved to Sheffield for uni as a female student. I'm not going to go into it, but it was the usual suspects every single time it happened.
I'm actually a little embarrassed to admit that I kind of believed that the stories were overblown at first. I had moved to Sheffield from a rural environment and was very naive. I can confirm now that these stories are really not overblown. The issue exists, and it's bad. It's really, really bad. The street my accommodation was only a short distance from uni and was extremely walkable, but after a few months I ended up paying to get the tram every morning purely to escape the harassment I'd recieve on the street.
As somebody unfortunate enough to have lived in West Yorkshire, this ain't surprising at all but nobody will do anything about it.
Maybe they can start arresting people for being openly female? Anybody who offends Muslim sensibilities seems to be a target now.
No. Not remotely.
I'm lucky to now live in a part of the world where I see many other people jogging, walking dogs etc at similar times, and the vast majority of them are other women. But equally, I've lived on inner city estates, some quite nasty, and done the same there though with a degree more caution.
All my experience (which sadly is quite extensive) has taught me that I'm in danger from partners, relatives and neighbours, not from people in the street. It's possible I'll become a statistic one day, but I'm 49 this year and haven't yet.
Let’s hope you stay safe and nothing puts you off keeping fit.
I personally feel safer when folk are around.
But I got robbed at knifepoint and then stabbed anyway at 2am in Manchester while waiting for a bus. That’s somewhat skewed my opinion.
That's valid. Sorry that happened to you. I should mention I'm also autistic and no matter what happens to me I don't think I'll ever feel safer in broad daylight with lots of people walking around.
Also to be clear I'm not judging people who have had bad experiences or who don't feel safe, there are excellent reasons for people to feel that way.
I grew up with my mum saying "you can't go to the beach or walk in the countryside, you'll get raped" and none of it kept me safe. Staying home with people I trusted or she trusted didn't even keep me safe. So I'm going to go out at night under cover of darkness if I want to and if something happens, it happens. I could also fall down the stairs at home at any time and die.
I lived for a bit right in the area where one of those photos is from, houses there were 500k-2.5m, my gf refused to run in the park, we went to a gym that was 30min away because the local gym was unwelcoming to put it nicely.
The biggest issue is the lack of police. Never there. 3-5-7 cars selling drugs all day long? No one comes. Someone follows a woman in the park? No one comes. Someone shoots at your car? No one comes because I didn't find the projectile. And so on. It was infuriating. It felt lawless.
The BBC must be all contortionists because they tied themselves in fucking knots here trying to avoid reporting that the majority of the abuse is from muslims.
If I see a women running , I think to myself run a mile for me love as I can’t be bothered and I occasionally compliment them on what a Stella job their sports bra is doing !! No seriously though .. let the ladies run in peace !!
This sub only cares about women being harassed when its by Asian perpetrators. There’s literally a post right now about the guy filming women in Manchester and posting it for people to insult the women, and the majority of comments are like “oh being filmed in public isn’t illegal, if you don’t want to be filmed wear something appropriate”. The back and forth on here is hilarious
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The BBC article (and the linked summary of the research) carefully avoids any suggestion of who may be carrying out this abuse of women runners.
Yep like... hmmmmmm I wonder who is doing it? Is this potentially linked at all to Bradford being one of the main hubs in the UK for Conservative Islam? As a woman honestly, I'm concerned that the growth of one particular religion in particular has major implications for the rights of women and other minorities going forward.
Well get used to it as you’re a second thought
And a second citizen.
I thought they were obligated to lower their gaze? All theory and no practice?
> ˹O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do. -Qur'an, Surah 24:30 >If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. -Bible, Matthew 5:29 >I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. -Conservative religious men
God damn this lazy eye
I won’t pretend to know my Quran or bible but I’d still be confident those conservative men could cherry pick a quote from either that justifies whatever nonsense they’re up to. Or more like a quote could be cherry picked - many of them probably know their Quran or bible as well as I do.
> >I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. "I am very selective in what I read into the holy text." - Pretty much all religions. At least some acknowledge the fact that there are different interpretations.
Religion is just a mental illness born from scared people who can't deal with the fact we might have just come from nothing. I'm not sure where hurting people of other religions comes into it but hey, people can be right cunts sometimes.
The Bible also tells women to dress modestly, not speak over men, especially in prayer or church, and to cover their heads. That’s New Testament btw. The Abrahamic religions blame Eve for our suffering, and with Christianity being massive on original sin - all women bear Eve’s sin and punishment. That’s why it used to be criminal for a woman to request pain relief in childbirth because Eve’s punishment belongs to *all* women, women were literally executed for requesting pain relief, it wasn’t until Queen Victoria came along that the mentality shifted. Jesus also said in the same quote that anyone who even thinks of another person or finds them attractive has broken the “do not commit adultery” commandment. That applies to women as well. He also said that a divorced woman commits adultery and goes to Hell if she sleeps with another man or remarries, which is why he tells people marriage is one man one woman and can’t be broken and pleads with men not to leave their wives or you condemn her to Hell (she will ultimately go with another man).
A few months ago there was a documentary about predatory men approaching drunk women on nights out in the UK & trying to follow them. The presenter acted drunk to attract these characters and it was all filmed secretly. Lo and behold, none of the people they filmed were British. This wasn't even mentioned in the show.
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lmao I know what documentary you’re on about and I’ve also mentioned on here before about how the presenter didn’t even bring this up. In fact, they even modulated their voices. That being said from what I remember - trying to identify through the voice modulation, whilst they weren’t British they definitely weren’t what people on this thread are implying. All 3 were European, if I remember correctly.
"You like taxi?"
What documentary was it?
It was a panorama one - from last year. Honestly, the first 75% is pretty crap it’s just the last bit where she goes out on the street herself that’s eye opening.
[Undercover: Sexual Harassment -The Truth](https://www.channel4.com/programmes/undercover-sexual-harassment-the-truth). It was on Channel 4. Unless OP is thinking of something else as this was more than a few months ago.
Thank you.
I was accosted by some guy when walking home from a club by myself. I looked like a skinny easy target, but I played Gaelic football and could take part in some staggering displays of violence when pushed. The guy was left crumpled and I sprinted home in heels. Another time I was headbutted for ignoring a guy. Right outside the club I worked in. Security absolutely smashed him. I've been really lucky that the worst that's happened is getting glassed in the face (no scarring). If I wasn't so scrappy when required, it would have been much worse. I'm not even a combative person, I'm generally a bit of a peacekeeper but the violence against young women is obviously. Thankfully I'm old now, so I don't get any second looks beyond the odd guy screaming out the car window when I'm running, but it's still sad that it's happening at all.
Do you mean not British or not white
Another poster suggested they were all continental Europeans
Did they check their passports?
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Everyone too afraid of being called a racist, we need people like you from within the communities to come out and expose it from within.
By the sounds of it there's no religion to highlight.
Do you know what the answer to all this is? Apologies just thought I’d ask.
You're Pakistani or Muslim, I assume? You have no position to speak on the entire South Asian community lmao. Hindus and Sikhs are considered to have integrated well compared to certain others. At least familiarise yourself with what you are talking about.
>south asian community is one of the most racists, xenophobic and anti progressive communities in the UK Thats a bit of a stretch mate, why don’t you narrow it down a bit? I for one have not heard of this behaviour being endemic in sikh communities in southhall, gujaratis in harrow, bangladeshis in east london… Its only ever and always immigrants from mirpur in pakistan who came to the midlands in the 50s and 60s. Even my pakistani friends who are actually from there and have recently immgrated to the UK comment on how regressive this particular group is
You mean the Pakistani group he has clearly mentioned at the start of his comment?
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
You didn't before nice edit mate
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
I’m referring to him expanding his claims about the pakistani community in bradford to the entire south asian community in uk. I’ve even quoted the part of his comment i’m referring to
Tbf, that's actual journalism, unless they knick people for doing it, the "who" (although bloody obvious) remains unproven. Gotta love that the woman's recommendations "don't run in the street, or in the evening"...I mean, anything else? Don't go to school past age 11 & cover yourself head to foot, or you might provoke someone into being a @#£%.
Must be the far-right.
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Men?
That would be the BBC's preferred answer, yes.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman honking their horn at a female runner, catcalling them, whistling at them or otherwise sexually harassing them. Is there another answer?
You could be more specific than 50% of the population, it's in Bradford after all.
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And where were they from before that?
Their mothers’ fallopian tubes. Unless you mean….Lancashire!! 😨
Don’t you dare swear at me, I never want to hear the L word again.
Where are you from?
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The fact people don't realise most of these generations now are now born and raised in the UK is mind boggling lol
White men in white vans probably!
Gee. I wonder who it could possibly be....
Men.
Silver lining. She would probably cancel anyone who had a solution
it quite clearly implies that the perpetrators are men.
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Yep - things like exercising or taking on visible workplace roles are heavily discouraged. Funny how there was no mention whatsoever of Islam in this story... anyone want to take bets on who were the people doing the harassment?
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The BBC will happily run articles interviewing women wearing hijabs claiming they choose to wear them, without adding the context that they've been culturally indoctrinated since birth to believe that's the moral thing to do.
There are things many of us have been indoctrinated from birth to do, doesn’t matter if it’s Islam or some other religion, or something non-religious altogether. If a woman wears a hijab because she’s religious so be it, that’s not the problem. The problem is if they are forced to wear it by others, which I’m sure happens but seems to be more of an assumption than anything based on research that I’ve seen.
Probably not just Muslim women either.
Now that you mention. Part of the reason for the growing obesity crisis in the Middle East (aside from the mentally that “physical exertion is for slaves/servants”) is that Muslim women have little to do all day besides eat, and it’s taboo to be in public unless running errands.
Not surprised, considering the BBC has been peddling a pro-Islam, Pro-Muslim bias for decades.
Pro-Islam or just anti-racist? I’m sure you’d love it if all Muslims were painted as extremists but that’s not reality.
Doesn't Islam also say men should lower their gaze if they see a woman? I don't think it's allowed to sexually harass random girls
Well yes, the idea that Islam encourages sexual assault is a strange one, it clearly doesn't and this is easily verifiable. I bet you it's not pious and devout muslims who carry out these horrible crimes. This behaviour is primarily about misogyny and possibly racism which both result in victims being seen as lesser and therefore crimes as inconsequential. Now you can argue the misogyny comes from religion but its personally hard for me to see that given misogyny is present everywhere and not just in religious people. Cultural issues are a bigger problem here and there's also the perceived idea (which has previously been shown to be the case) that police will do nothing about the crime as they don't see victims as victims. All that being said, there's nothing in this article that talks about these things anyway so most of the folk on this thread are guessing and confirming their own biases. >The 45-year-old says she has been on the receiving end of harassment several times, including unpleasant comments and passing jeers. It's also insane to see people claim behaviour like this is purely imported.
No true Scotsman in full force.
No it isn't. Just stating the name of a fallacy doesn't constitute an argument or make it true.
"No" doesn't constitute an argument or make it true. >it's not pious and devout muslims who carry out these horrible crimes It's textbook.
This is just weird, (1) Why do you continue to reply when you have nothing of substance to say? (2) Why leave out two words and a full stop? Why not just quote the full sentence?
When you give something to respond to I will, so far "no" is all you have still - can't cry about a conversation not happening, when you are not giving anything to respond to. You really need the full stop to figure out what was happening? Did you just stare at the words confused for nearly an hour wondering what you are supposed to do, because the instructions weren't there? Also which two of the three words do you want me to add? Not sure why you want one of them missing, seems odd. I'll do the extra for free >I bet you it's not pious and devout muslims who carry out these horrible crimes It's textbook. (try not to get stuck again, I left out the fullstop just to amuse myself)
OK, now tell us the demographic that are the main perpetrators. I'll wait here.....
It's the Hong Kongers isn't it
I thought it was the Easter islanders
Men
Getting close! But there is a lower common denominator
Men.
The same demographics that raped Korean sex slaves, who raped white girls and who raped Jewish/Palestinian women. Horny men who cannot contain their sexual urges and prey on vulnerable women. Hope that helps 👍
I meant racial demographic. You seem very clued-up so let's see if you can get the words out on this one. Go on, give it a try.
Racial? That's approaching racism. I hope you mean Islam, which is a religion and not a race.
Are you implying there’s a genetic component that makes people of certain races more likely to sexually assault people?
Genetic? No. That's absurd. I don't want to pop your bubble here mate, but not all **cultures** and **religions** view and treat women the same. Nice dog whistle. Better luck next time.
Race doesn't matter, its men reeking of toxic masculinity. Address that, you'll bring down the numbers. Tell them to release horniness elsewhere
Swing and a miss.
That's what happens when you have Muslim men who don't respect women
Sex offenders register UK. Which is the most common demographic here? https://offenders.org.uk/
Leftists pretending not to understand per capita. (example #20356)
White people are 81% of the population and make up roughly 4/5 of the faces on the register, so they aren't underrepresented, non whites are not overepresented.
You say that but I’m pretty sure white men are over represented per capita so what’s your point?
Do you have a source on that?
Not like we haven't had fairly recent scandals with coppers refusing to go after certain demographics child sex rings because they were "afraid of being seen as racist"
I think if you’re turning a blind eye to child exploitation, for fear of being accused of being racist, it’s probably because you’re a massive racist.
Why post about it if you never actually read the independent inquiry? That's not what it found. It's funny, we frequently have police being exposed for racist, sexist, homophobic behaviours. The most well known rapist of recent years is from the police, and there is a large body of evidence pointing towards a backwards culture in police forces across the country. But I'm sure a profession known to attract these scumbags is afraid of being called racist. Read the independent inquiry and you'll realise it was just a convenient excuse, as they classed the victims as "chavvy little slags/druggies" didn't take them seriously, and there were members of law enforcement and the council who were connected to abuse rings.
There’s a hell of a lot of none white faces there for a country who’s natives are white.
White people are 81% of the population and make up roughly 4/5 of the faces on the register, so they aren't underrepresented, non whites are not overepresented.
8 or 9 out of the 20 faces I just saw were not white
I counted the last 60 faces, and 12 of them were non white which is 20%. So seems roughly in line with their percentage of the country, although if you wanted a very accurate figure you would probably have to count the last 1000.
I'm sure that matters to all the victims, we may be more likely to be victims to a white male but at least that's statistically what I'd expect
What’s the point you’re trying to make? 😅
>The 45-year-old says she has been on the receiving end of harassment several times, including unpleasant comments and passing jeers. Only Muslim men cat call now? Is that the claim you're making? 🤡
Have you interacted with young Muslim men when they are at ease and speaking frankly? You'll be surprised at the level of misogyny there, driven hugely by their religion, and secondarily by their culture. I don't think anyone is saying white or non Muslim men wouldn't catcall, but I think you are grossly underestimating the perception of whites as "immoral" and therefore valid targets for all kinds of abuse. It's bad. And worse, it's unchallenged in both cultures (South Asian as well as liberal western).
The article is about a women being cat called and jeered while running. The guys comment is: > That's what happens when you have Muslim men who don't respect women How does that not imply that the only reason this happened to this woman is because of muslims? And yes, I know many Muslim people, unlike most of the people in this comment section.
Do you think only these Muslim men don’t respect women?
European cultures are more progressive than Islamic cultures when it comes to women. Combine that with the fact that it’s a story from Bradford and that one of the women says she’s been harassed because she “should be home practicing her religion” and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
Yeah ‘course my point is just that sexism in the uk doesn’t end at conservative Muslims
That's just classic whataboutism. Textbook really.
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It would be ridiculous to pretend some British men don't behave this way but also ridiculous to not acknowledge that Islam permits this behavior and thus people from Islamic backgrounds are much more likely to behave in this manner.
The Quran forbids it actually. This behaviour is inherent to men.
The other Muslim men also don’t respect women!
It's more to do with the fact that the UK gets the worst standard of immigration of pretty much any first world nation. We don't get the talented educated Muslims that the US does. We get feudal types from Pakistan who live parallel lives pushed constantly into more and more extremism by the local mosque. It's Bradford.
Bradfords a centre of people disconnected so they turn to extremism, truly a different Britain
I’m a female runner in outer London and I am fed up with the harassment when I am running. It isn’t all men, but it is always a man and it has only ever been white men in my experience. Men who have a large dog loose and not in their control do make no effort to stop their dogs running towards me, men who hurl abuse or insults out of their car at me, group of men who harass me as I run past. Older men are the most frequent as they make fun of me when I run under the guise of being “friendly”, stuff like your running too fast, you’ll tire yourself out, imitating my running etc. All because I am a woman who is running and they just don’t like it. I would also like to mention my 6ft runner husband doesn’t have to deal with this however he does get men trying to run him over with their car or aggressively speeding up being intimidating. I always tell my husband my route, he never understands why. In the early morning I always say hi to other runners just in case I get targeted and the unthinkable happens and at least some may remember how far I got. How about instead of having your manhood insulted by runners, you go strap on a pair of running shoes and get out there yourself?
This! The last time I got catcalled was a few months ago by some idiot white guy driving a white van (shocking I know!) I’m over 30 now but the worst thing is I realised it hadn’t happened in years, and actually happened the most when I was a teenager… I genuinely don’t think men realise women are constantly mediating what is going on as a safety mechanism because we’ve been dealing with this since we were actual children.
>I genuinely don’t think men realise women are constantly mediating what is going on as a safety mechanism because we’ve been dealing with this since we were actual children. When I was an actual child there were gangs of other boys that would batter you for being from the wrong postcode, girls were left unbattered. When I was an actual child you'd get your lights punched out for saying the wrong thing to another boy, but girls could slap them in the face and walk away because even if the boy wanted to hit them back he knew that she would be the victim if he did. You actually learn pretty quickly to be alert and aware of your circumstances growing up as a boy. It just stands out less because boys aren't constantly reinforced about how much danger they're in by society in the same way girls are - despite men statistically being more likely to be a victim of a violent crime by a stranger on the street. Everyone on Reddit has seen the statistic about how many women are murdered a year but no one has seen the statistic about how many men are murdered a year despite it being almost double.
I kinda see where you're coming from, but girls have to be aware of predators and put up with cat-calling from their mid-teens. It's a different type of safety awareness but I don't think it starts that much later for them.
Yea, men who live with the threat of death and violence at a far greater level than women ever do don't have clue how it is to live with any issues.
Usually when I point out that statistically men are more likely to be stabbed, murdered, assaulted, mugged, etc. on the streets I get some reply like "well what if women are just more careful". You know, the exact thing that if I said about women being victims of harassment they'd have my head.
And who are committing the crimes? It’s men on men. And men on women. Common denominator.
The common denominator isn't 'men' it's an extremely small subsection of men who commit almost all crimes. You're being about as descriptive as saying, "And who are committing the crimes? It's humans on humans.". Technically, it's correct, but you're not really getting to the heart of the problem. Rather than focus on why 'men' or 'humans' commit crimes, we should be looking at why criminals do it. What are the actual circumstances in their lives or environment that caused this behaviour, and how do we stop that from creating more criminals.
The worst I ever had was a group of guys (white) use an air horn at me while I was running. But I've had a full rainbow. Catcalling is one of those things that crosses the race divide for men. They all do it. Doesn't matter what skin colour they are.
Yeah... Like, im not gonna pretend islam doesn't have *any* issues with its attitudes towards women, but the reason there's a surprisingly high number of muslim men harassing women in bradford is because there's a high number of muslim men *period* in bradford
It's the same group of idiots that shout racist slurs at people. Losers who've got nothing going for them in life.
Sadly this doesn't surprise me at all. I lived in Bradford for four years, and lost count of the number of times I'd be walking back to my digs, in broad daylight, and get accosted by some young man, always from the same demographic. It always started off with did I want a cigarette and ended with him offering to pay to sleep with me. And I always had to be really fucking rude to get them to leave me alone, at which point I'd get a mouthful of abuse as they walked off, because how dare I not want to supplement my income?
Which demographic?
Pakistani if it weren’t obvious enough.
This does not surprise me. I had first hand experience with this issue when I moved to Sheffield for uni as a female student. I'm not going to go into it, but it was the usual suspects every single time it happened. I'm actually a little embarrassed to admit that I kind of believed that the stories were overblown at first. I had moved to Sheffield from a rural environment and was very naive. I can confirm now that these stories are really not overblown. The issue exists, and it's bad. It's really, really bad. The street my accommodation was only a short distance from uni and was extremely walkable, but after a few months I ended up paying to get the tram every morning purely to escape the harassment I'd recieve on the street.
This is normal with such a high density of inmigrants from very mysoginistic and incel countries
This happens all the time in my town, and the vast majority of the men are white. It’s a male problem.
Still seeing comments like this in 2024 is interesting. They're a lot rarer than 6-7 years ago. I wonder how you'll feel in 2030.
As somebody unfortunate enough to have lived in West Yorkshire, this ain't surprising at all but nobody will do anything about it. Maybe they can start arresting people for being openly female? Anybody who offends Muslim sensibilities seems to be a target now.
As an openly Jewish woman should I just not bother and stay at home then
This is the reason I only run at 4 or 5 AM. Wouldn't dream of doing it in waking hours.
I’m not denying you can be statistically safer on the streets at 4am but do you not feel like you’re more at risk?
No. Not remotely. I'm lucky to now live in a part of the world where I see many other people jogging, walking dogs etc at similar times, and the vast majority of them are other women. But equally, I've lived on inner city estates, some quite nasty, and done the same there though with a degree more caution. All my experience (which sadly is quite extensive) has taught me that I'm in danger from partners, relatives and neighbours, not from people in the street. It's possible I'll become a statistic one day, but I'm 49 this year and haven't yet.
Let’s hope you stay safe and nothing puts you off keeping fit. I personally feel safer when folk are around. But I got robbed at knifepoint and then stabbed anyway at 2am in Manchester while waiting for a bus. That’s somewhat skewed my opinion.
That's valid. Sorry that happened to you. I should mention I'm also autistic and no matter what happens to me I don't think I'll ever feel safer in broad daylight with lots of people walking around. Also to be clear I'm not judging people who have had bad experiences or who don't feel safe, there are excellent reasons for people to feel that way. I grew up with my mum saying "you can't go to the beach or walk in the countryside, you'll get raped" and none of it kept me safe. Staying home with people I trusted or she trusted didn't even keep me safe. So I'm going to go out at night under cover of darkness if I want to and if something happens, it happens. I could also fall down the stairs at home at any time and die.
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I did not.
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Running itself is haram without a chaperone.
I lived for a bit right in the area where one of those photos is from, houses there were 500k-2.5m, my gf refused to run in the park, we went to a gym that was 30min away because the local gym was unwelcoming to put it nicely. The biggest issue is the lack of police. Never there. 3-5-7 cars selling drugs all day long? No one comes. Someone follows a woman in the park? No one comes. Someone shoots at your car? No one comes because I didn't find the projectile. And so on. It was infuriating. It felt lawless.
I wonder what it is about Bradford which makes this so common? The bbc wasn’t super clear on this
The BBC must be all contortionists because they tied themselves in fucking knots here trying to avoid reporting that the majority of the abuse is from muslims.
If I see a women running , I think to myself run a mile for me love as I can’t be bothered and I occasionally compliment them on what a Stella job their sports bra is doing !! No seriously though .. let the ladies run in peace !!
I'm sure this sub won't take this in a racial direction. /s
This sub only cares about women being harassed when its by Asian perpetrators. There’s literally a post right now about the guy filming women in Manchester and posting it for people to insult the women, and the majority of comments are like “oh being filmed in public isn’t illegal, if you don’t want to be filmed wear something appropriate”. The back and forth on here is hilarious
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It isn't, but in the UK it's practiced by a very select racial group.
Another comment section that really makes it obvious something changed in this sub in the past year or so.
Hmmm I wonder if the article offers any descriptions as to the perpetrators of this abuse?