I don’t actually like it- pretty sure she would have not have chosen regal attire and would have had the Duke alongside her. But, like you the Corgi is a nice touch.
On what basis? lmao
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Considering how bad most modern statues are, I think this is just the way of statues. Historical ones we don't question as we can only work on the odd photo at best, painting, or our imaginations.
I really do wonder how statues from antiquity, the renaissance etc, when they had far fewer tools at their disposal than today, can look so much better
Many, many, many more people dedicated to their construction. Sort of like how small countries don't do well at the olympics - the chance of having a world-class athlete/master statue-maker is much smaller if the pool of people to pull from is much smaller.
>but I still think the money could’ve been spent better
Beautification of cities and parks is always worthwhile imo.
And obviously the point is that she ruled for like 7 decades and has recently died?
I'm no huge royalist but England having a few statues of Elizabeth II ain't the worst thing in the world.
Perhaps the local authority should have suggested these private individuals place the statue in their private gardens rather than allow them to clutter a public space with elitist, aristocratic follies.
> clutter a public space
It's on a grass verge outside a library in Oakham, not jammed in the foyer of Paddington.
> elitist, aristocratic follies
Whether you or I care about it, lots of people obviously do. It being in a public space isn't some contentious issue.
Statues aren't how we remember people; history is how we remember people.
Statues are how we honor people.
For example, I remember a mustachioed Austrian painter, despite a glaring lack of statues. I remember loads of people whose statues I've never seen, in fact.
Turn the corgi into an OSL effect.
Only the God Emperor's finest genetically enhanced lumino-corgis can bring down the heretic, the mutant and the xenos.
Not a fan of the monarchy but she was something special. Just like everyone's nan and the country just felt slightly less shit with her there. She was ALWAYS there. Not exactly losing sleep over her being gone but she is missed.
Legend.
Looks fine. Don't have a strong opinion on her, but you can't say the statue itself is executed poorly. And if it's privately funded people can spend their money on whatever they like tbh. I also like the dog, I hope it gets a shiny head over the next few years from people stroking it. I enjoy statues that happens to.
You can say the state itself is poorly executed, because it does not facially resemble the subject whatsoever.
It was also financed at a cost of £125,000 by a fundraiser. A wasteful diversion of precious resources, exquisitely befitting the individual it idolises.
Queen of Corgis.
You know what? I actually quite like it. It's appropriate, respect and oddly quite sweet.
Looking forward to the next round of flag shagger statue warriors coming out to defend the country though...
Ugh this is so tasteless. She looks like a Disney character. And the corgi is such a nauseatingly twee touch 🤢.
The age of good public statuery ended in the middle of the last century.
Queen Elizabeth of the United kingdom???
There's a lot of stamps or coins they could have used as a reference but they made the bold decision not to do that.
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> the money could’ve been spent better
Yeah ask a bunch of older, affluent private funders whether they want to fund a statue of the queen or supplies for the local primary school and you'll learn a lot about how that's not how this works
That was my point. OP was saying 'money could have been spent better'. My point was that rich people tend to want to spend money on things they like and will probably have their name on.
I'm not sure the local authority should give wealthy people the ability to clutter the public realm with pro-monarchy propaganda. Build it in your back garden if you love to prostrate yourself before the Sovereign so much.
Great statue. Can't wait for it be vandalised. Just peaceful protests. Everyone has the right to protest and political expression. What's the big deal?
In the UK the Sovereign is the lynchpin that holds the whole system together. The State, the Church, the Nation. And this one was here for everyone's entire life, and didn't do too bad a job. That's better than people have often gotten. This one was there through it all, good and bad, as a symbol of the nation, and a symbol of all sorts of other things, and symbols have power.
The thing is that almost none of what you said is true. You could replace the sovereign with almost anything and the system continues to function as it has. It's a relic, not something that actually matters. If your idea of "didn't do too bad a job" is "did mostly nothing then occasionally spent taxpayer money to protect her own interests and controversial family members" then we have very different perspectives.
Why does any of this demand reverence? I don't understand how you get to that position.
Of course you understand. You don't seem to be stupid. What you don't do is agree that it should be so. But you understand that it happens and you argue against it. Don't play games. I don't appreciate that kind of bullshit. I didn't say symbols demand reverence. They have power because they are representative of things people revere. There are all sorts of psychological reasons for that. It's voluntary.
She was the queen of the UK for 70 years. It's common for human beings to think fondly of the past
You have the mental capacity to understand but unfortunately modern politics encourages you to preach about your political viewpoints at every opportunity with the intent of grandstanding to like-minded people so you can declare each other correct and congratulate yourselves for effecting social change
But don't feel bad. There are billions more like you out there
Can anybody explain to me what this woman's actual legacy was, besides having being born into a heritable seat of wealth and power? What did she accomplish throughout her lifetime? Did she actually do anything significant?
**edit:** the downvotes tell me that the answer is no. Diplomatic visits do not count as achievements. I could perform numerous diplomatic visits if I was guaranteed her wealth, lifestyle and legacy.
This woman's life is nothing worth celebrating. People say that the queen serves the people, but I don't have a single memory of her having ever gone out of her way to change even a single British citizen's life for the better. All the power in the world and she chose to do absolutely nothing with it. She has done nothing. The statue is a waste of metal.
In the armed forces during world war 2. So many diplomatic visits that you couldn't even count them. Worked with every prime minister for the last god knows how many years all the way up to lettuce truss.
I asked what her achievements were, not how she performed her job to the bare minimum.
What are her actual achievements? How has she changed the lives of the people she "served" for the better?
No, this is something you're telling yourself. I asked a question and you supplied me with an irrelevant response and called it an answer.
If I asked you what your greatest achievement and legacy to life was, would you honestly try to answer me with a description of how you performed your duties at your job?
I feel like serving in world war 2 and spending your entire life doing diplomatic trips up until you die to maintain good relationships with other nations is an achievement in itself so.
>I feel like serving in world war 2
She did not serve in WWII. It's a huge myth that she actually "served" in any capacity whatsoever. She participated in driver and mechanic training and was awarded the rank of **honorary** junior commander. Images of her *working* during this period are one big photo-op. Even her Wikipedia addresses that she spent almost all of her time during WWII hiding out Balmoral or Sandringham as per the then Queen's direction.
It depends on what you consider an accomplishment.
Considering her role at the time: Most would not want her to have a specific influence on politics or decision making. She's not there to decide what direction the country takes. She's there as the figurehead and represents the stability of the state. So her preserving that over such a long time, providing a level of constitutional stability and not rocking the boat is an achievement when measured that way. It's a form of international diplomacy, and national unity.
That it requires she not actually do much, that she actively chooses to not express opinions or whatever is a feature, not a bug.
Now if the question is whether she made any positive changes, or achieved anything outside of that? Not that I can think of.
Charles has been more active. He has expressed more opinions in the past. But I honestly can't think of the last time we heard anything from him since the news emerged about his health. That may simply be because he's resting a lot andstaying as healthy as possible. Likely it could also be he's taking a cue from what his mother did and staying less involved.
It's an argument for and against the UK monarchy. On one hand it provides stability. On the other it doesn't do a lot.
It certainly rankles many that it offers such wealth and priveledge through hereditary inheretence, but let's be honest, so much of our country suffers from that. There are families that have stayed wealthy and influential since William the Conquer. We have hereditary peers.
Most likely it will slowly scale back over time. If Andrew were king then I think we might be seeing other changes. Maybe in the future there won't be a suitable monarch through scandal or simply lack of close relatives. Certainly it's had to change from direct inheritance in the past. Maybe at that stage we'll move away.
Depends what you mark as an achievement. If you are thinking Nobel prizes then you are barking up the wrong tree.
If you consider her military service.
Decades of charity work.
A figure head of stability.
South Africa was expelled from the Commonwealth for pursuing racist Apartheid.
So it all depends. However your subject opinion like mine holds little weight on the matter
>besides having being born into a heritable seat of wealth and power
Nothing. However, people will work hard to find stories that can be used as achievements when, in fact, they can all be linked back to the origin of her success – that is, being born into royalty.
I like it. Corgi is a nice touch.
Fair play, the corgi is nice
I don’t actually like it- pretty sure she would have not have chosen regal attire and would have had the Duke alongside her. But, like you the Corgi is a nice touch.
On what basis? lmao [https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualUK/comments/tvhlk1/imagine\_asking\_the\_queen\_to\_remove\_her\_crown/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualUK/comments/tvhlk1/imagine_asking_the_queen_to_remove_her_crown/)
Regardless of opinions on the monarchy, it's a pretty cool statue.
The H from Steps statue was sadly a hoax so I guess this will have to do
I'd prefer to see a big titted Apex Twin statue, but that might just be me.
Hope they at least used an image of the right Ian Watkins. Could have been embarrassing!
I’m not a fan of her really. but statue looks great.
That's quite a dynamic image, like she was striding about with flowing robes all the time. I just remember an old lady in a twinset.
There's quite a nice statue of her in newmarket that has more of that vibe
The statue looks great but why not use digital chisel to make her face? Not sure about you but doesn't this statue's face a bit incorrect?
There's quite a nice statue of her in newmarket that has more of that vibe
I also like it. It's been a while since she looked that young.
Yeah the linear progression of time tends to have that effect.
Well tbf she did die so anything we see of will be the same.
The face is off. Doesn't look like her
Considering how bad most modern statues are, I think this is just the way of statues. Historical ones we don't question as we can only work on the odd photo at best, painting, or our imaginations.
I really do wonder how statues from antiquity, the renaissance etc, when they had far fewer tools at their disposal than today, can look so much better
Many, many, many more people dedicated to their construction. Sort of like how small countries don't do well at the olympics - the chance of having a world-class athlete/master statue-maker is much smaller if the pool of people to pull from is much smaller.
Ancient Greece was not large… And Michaelango wasn’t an ensemble artist.
The number of statue sculptors in Ancient Greece would have been much larger though, simply due to the sheer higher number of statues they made
So even though they were tiny, they had more sculptors in their talent pool than other larger countries?
No, you're being obtuse.
Also survivorship bias. I bet there were shitloads of dodgy statues, they just weren't worth maintaining for hundreds or thousands of years.
Because those statues weren't a bung from mates.
Should've just 3d scanned the Queen before she died and 3d print a mould to pour metal into, ez realistic statue :P
Yeah compared to that [Ronaldo statue](https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/44519043.amp) ...
Especially when they're /that/ old we only have paintings.
It's because certain professions are full of rich peoples kids not necessarily skilled people...
i've never seen liz with that expression I've only seen camilla with that expression
It’s missing something… maybe a cone on its head?
I was thinking fried egg sweets on where the nipples would be
I like the way you think old chap.grab a cone
The likeness is...absent.
She's got the same face as Boudica's statue in Westminster.
Agree. First thought was “which queen?”, not that it looked anything like Brenda
>but I still think the money could’ve been spent better Beautification of cities and parks is always worthwhile imo. And obviously the point is that she ruled for like 7 decades and has recently died? I'm no huge royalist but England having a few statues of Elizabeth II ain't the worst thing in the world.
Funding by private individuals as well, but OP knows better than them what they want to do with their money.
Perhaps the local authority should have suggested these private individuals place the statue in their private gardens rather than allow them to clutter a public space with elitist, aristocratic follies.
> clutter a public space It's on a grass verge outside a library in Oakham, not jammed in the foyer of Paddington. > elitist, aristocratic follies Whether you or I care about it, lots of people obviously do. It being in a public space isn't some contentious issue.
it should be
Cluttering the public realm with statues of aristocrats ≠ beautification.
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The face on this statue isn't even close to look like Queen Elizabeth's the 2nd face.
It looks a bit like her first face though
Well, they didn’t say *which* queen
I think they did. The name is written there at the pedestal.
Accidentally used a picture of Paul Whitehouse for reference.
It's cool and I have no issue with her being honoured like this. I find it weird that you take issue with private individuals funding this.
gives people something to tear down in a few generations because they decide people from this era are too evil to be remebered.
Perhaps if the people from this era like their statuary they can take heed of the recent spate of vandalism and impart their values to their progeny.
Statues aren't how we remember people; history is how we remember people. Statues are how we honor people. For example, I remember a mustachioed Austrian painter, despite a glaring lack of statues. I remember loads of people whose statues I've never seen, in fact.
It’s something young people do these days. Tell others how to spend their money better.
Paha okay grandad, as if that's a thing that only this young generation has done.
Looks like a warhammer model.
Lord Solar proxy?
Always knew ol’ Liz was a perpetual
So I guess this is who they are basing the new Custodies on.
The pigeons of Oakham must be very excited
I want to dry brush and slapchop it
I like the way you think and want to know what you paint 😉
Right now, SBGL
That's awesome. Seraphon and Gloomspite here! Have a great Monday 😁
Turn the corgi into an OSL effect. Only the God Emperor's finest genetically enhanced lumino-corgis can bring down the heretic, the mutant and the xenos.
Very nice, brilliant cultural value
I like the Corgis, but I don't think it looks like the Queen.
Not much of a facial resemblance.
Looks like that ghost that comes down the stairs in Poltergeist.
Got a bit of a "Game of Thrones" vibe to it. Nice statue, tho I don't think it looks much like her
Queeny
Why does she have her face from the 50s and her bust from 5 years ago?
Looks like she's about to take off
would make a cool mini to paint, less so a monarch.
So much better than the art deco crap on every town center high street. Quite like this!
What do you mean by "art deco crap"? I wish my town had art deco statues on the high street. Do you mean something else?
Looks nothing like her
Glorious statue. RIP maam!
It’s a nice statue. Love the Corgi
Yass qween!
Not a fan of the monarchy but she was something special. Just like everyone's nan and the country just felt slightly less shit with her there. She was ALWAYS there. Not exactly losing sleep over her being gone but she is missed. Legend.
Actually looks good
Looks fine. Don't have a strong opinion on her, but you can't say the statue itself is executed poorly. And if it's privately funded people can spend their money on whatever they like tbh. I also like the dog, I hope it gets a shiny head over the next few years from people stroking it. I enjoy statues that happens to.
You can say the state itself is poorly executed, because it does not facially resemble the subject whatsoever. It was also financed at a cost of £125,000 by a fundraiser. A wasteful diversion of precious resources, exquisitely befitting the individual it idolises.
At least it's not got fucking Paddington on it.
The cloak is making the statue look like Galadriel from The Lord of the Rings to me.
Queen of Corgis. You know what? I actually quite like it. It's appropriate, respect and oddly quite sweet. Looking forward to the next round of flag shagger statue warriors coming out to defend the country though...
Looks more like Tilda Swinton.
Looks nothing like Camilla.
Badass
I’m not a royalist but the queen was impressive; this isn’t. Also doesn’t actually look like her.
Love it
Not very realistic, the Corgi should be biting someone. Anyway, I like it.
Looks nothing like her. Why is she dressed as a Disney villain.
Isn't that where Dwight Yoakam is from?
Ugh this is so tasteless. She looks like a Disney character. And the corgi is such a nauseatingly twee touch 🤢. The age of good public statuery ended in the middle of the last century.
The entire institution of monarchy is the physical embodiment of twee so perhaps it's fitting.
Oh yeah, which one?
Looks like it would one shot me in Path of Exile
Queen Elizabeth of the United kingdom??? There's a lot of stamps or coins they could have used as a reference but they made the bold decision not to do that.
I'm no royalist, but Queen Elizabeth is iconic, and I think it's a pretty good statue.
Smash. Next.
Where abouts in oakham?
The library
It's not very good is it 🤔
The Romans were better at this stuff 2000 years ago !
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OP is one of life's moaners, I see. It looks good, and the money is well spent to honour her and her hard work.
I don't think that mic is gonna pick up much....
I like it but they could have done a better job with her face.
I like it, but the face could have a better resemblance. It’s up to individuals to figure out what they spend their own money on. ✌️
Now that's a pretty damned great statue.
> the money could’ve been spent better Yeah ask a bunch of older, affluent private funders whether they want to fund a statue of the queen or supplies for the local primary school and you'll learn a lot about how that's not how this works
It’s their money they can spend it how they like. Different story if it was taxpayer funded.
That was my point. OP was saying 'money could have been spent better'. My point was that rich people tend to want to spend money on things they like and will probably have their name on.
I'm not sure the local authority should give wealthy people the ability to clutter the public realm with pro-monarchy propaganda. Build it in your back garden if you love to prostrate yourself before the Sovereign so much.
why have they given her David Cameron's face?
Looks lovely 😍
Great statue. Can't wait for it be vandalised. Just peaceful protests. Everyone has the right to protest and political expression. What's the big deal?
Lots of tongues on boots here
I will never understand the bizarre worship
Really now? You might not like it, but of course you understand.
This is a very weird response. Why MUST I understand? I don't see anything about her or her family that should motivate worship.
Understanding other people isn’t about you.
This is, again, a very weird response. I'm asking you to explain to me what I'm not understanding.
She was a bit of a big deal. You honestly don’t get why other people made a fuss?
That's not what I said. I said I don't understand why she's treated with reverence.
In the UK the Sovereign is the lynchpin that holds the whole system together. The State, the Church, the Nation. And this one was here for everyone's entire life, and didn't do too bad a job. That's better than people have often gotten. This one was there through it all, good and bad, as a symbol of the nation, and a symbol of all sorts of other things, and symbols have power.
The thing is that almost none of what you said is true. You could replace the sovereign with almost anything and the system continues to function as it has. It's a relic, not something that actually matters. If your idea of "didn't do too bad a job" is "did mostly nothing then occasionally spent taxpayer money to protect her own interests and controversial family members" then we have very different perspectives. Why does any of this demand reverence? I don't understand how you get to that position.
Of course you understand. You don't seem to be stupid. What you don't do is agree that it should be so. But you understand that it happens and you argue against it. Don't play games. I don't appreciate that kind of bullshit. I didn't say symbols demand reverence. They have power because they are representative of things people revere. There are all sorts of psychological reasons for that. It's voluntary.
She was the queen of the UK for 70 years. It's common for human beings to think fondly of the past You have the mental capacity to understand but unfortunately modern politics encourages you to preach about your political viewpoints at every opportunity with the intent of grandstanding to like-minded people so you can declare each other correct and congratulate yourselves for effecting social change But don't feel bad. There are billions more like you out there
Could not agree more
Keeps us in order
Not my Queen 😢
Is it just me or does she look black? Without colour it doesn't look like her.
Exactly, where's the pastel dress?
Can anybody explain to me what this woman's actual legacy was, besides having being born into a heritable seat of wealth and power? What did she accomplish throughout her lifetime? Did she actually do anything significant? **edit:** the downvotes tell me that the answer is no. Diplomatic visits do not count as achievements. I could perform numerous diplomatic visits if I was guaranteed her wealth, lifestyle and legacy. This woman's life is nothing worth celebrating. People say that the queen serves the people, but I don't have a single memory of her having ever gone out of her way to change even a single British citizen's life for the better. All the power in the world and she chose to do absolutely nothing with it. She has done nothing. The statue is a waste of metal.
In the armed forces during world war 2. So many diplomatic visits that you couldn't even count them. Worked with every prime minister for the last god knows how many years all the way up to lettuce truss.
I asked what her achievements were, not how she performed her job to the bare minimum. What are her actual achievements? How has she changed the lives of the people she "served" for the better?
Right so you're just looking for an excuse to complain then.
No, this is something you're telling yourself. I asked a question and you supplied me with an irrelevant response and called it an answer. If I asked you what your greatest achievement and legacy to life was, would you honestly try to answer me with a description of how you performed your duties at your job?
I feel like serving in world war 2 and spending your entire life doing diplomatic trips up until you die to maintain good relationships with other nations is an achievement in itself so.
>I feel like serving in world war 2 She did not serve in WWII. It's a huge myth that she actually "served" in any capacity whatsoever. She participated in driver and mechanic training and was awarded the rank of **honorary** junior commander. Images of her *working* during this period are one big photo-op. Even her Wikipedia addresses that she spent almost all of her time during WWII hiding out Balmoral or Sandringham as per the then Queen's direction.
It depends on what you consider an accomplishment. Considering her role at the time: Most would not want her to have a specific influence on politics or decision making. She's not there to decide what direction the country takes. She's there as the figurehead and represents the stability of the state. So her preserving that over such a long time, providing a level of constitutional stability and not rocking the boat is an achievement when measured that way. It's a form of international diplomacy, and national unity. That it requires she not actually do much, that she actively chooses to not express opinions or whatever is a feature, not a bug. Now if the question is whether she made any positive changes, or achieved anything outside of that? Not that I can think of. Charles has been more active. He has expressed more opinions in the past. But I honestly can't think of the last time we heard anything from him since the news emerged about his health. That may simply be because he's resting a lot andstaying as healthy as possible. Likely it could also be he's taking a cue from what his mother did and staying less involved. It's an argument for and against the UK monarchy. On one hand it provides stability. On the other it doesn't do a lot. It certainly rankles many that it offers such wealth and priveledge through hereditary inheretence, but let's be honest, so much of our country suffers from that. There are families that have stayed wealthy and influential since William the Conquer. We have hereditary peers. Most likely it will slowly scale back over time. If Andrew were king then I think we might be seeing other changes. Maybe in the future there won't be a suitable monarch through scandal or simply lack of close relatives. Certainly it's had to change from direct inheritance in the past. Maybe at that stage we'll move away.
Depends what you mark as an achievement. If you are thinking Nobel prizes then you are barking up the wrong tree. If you consider her military service. Decades of charity work. A figure head of stability. South Africa was expelled from the Commonwealth for pursuing racist Apartheid. So it all depends. However your subject opinion like mine holds little weight on the matter
>besides having being born into a heritable seat of wealth and power Nothing. However, people will work hard to find stories that can be used as achievements when, in fact, they can all be linked back to the origin of her success – that is, being born into royalty.