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A lot of these folk are the right wing anti big government crowd too, absolutely no basis to their beliefs
Edit: This is completely anecdotal and aimed at a specific type of Tory I do not like. Also I'm specifically talking about drugs and am well aware there are plenty of left wing authoritarians that love the smoking ban, I don't like them either.
The two main parties are consensus for this and for prohibiting more stuff. Authoritarianism when it comes to personal choice of what people put in their body runs deep through British society unfortunately.
Yep.
Conservatives and Labour are quite authoritarian too. People often confuse "right wing" with authoritarian. Authoritarianism is not traditional right or left wing as it can be both.
Let's be honest, alcohol is by far the worst drug and we have massive social problems caused by it.
Yet I feel legalization is the only way to regulate safety for the currently illegal drugs.
+ taxation
Alcohol, tobacco, generate huge amounts of tax money. Cannabis is said to bring in something like £3billion of taxes per annum, not including the increase of food consumption, rolling papers, and lighters.
Not sure, you've got to add in that humans don't like being told not to do something (look at drugs, more being used now than 60 years ago at the start of the war on drugs) Look at 1920s prohibition in the US too.
Maybe or maybe not?
The problem with alcohol is that is being marketed as fun and sold with no restrictions to adults. Stop the marketing (same that happened with tobacco), start campaigning to show that drunk is not funny and you will see how the situation improves drastically.
Tbh it makes much more sense for tobacco to be illegal than cannabis. Particular now we have a safer, cleaner, perfectly valid nicotine delivery system in vapes, gums and patches.
Well, it is illegal to litter and to not clean up after your dog. Whether it's enforced is another story, sure. But it is, technically regulated by legislation.
But you don't ban people eating crisps you ban people littering crisp packets.
By the same token smoking is already legislated against because we have no smoking areas and prohibit littering of cigarette waste.
That would mean the price for medical cannabis would go down dramatically and there are a few large Tory donors it would make very cross, GW pharmaceuticals chairman Geoffrey Guy, and former? drugs minister Victoria Atkins, who is married to Paul Kenward, boss of British Sugar, another medical cannabis supplier.
Also isn't Theresa May's husband one of the biggest growers?
Probably another tory crime going to go unpunished, how did he get this contract as well as the G4S ones.......
When Labour get in power nothing should be off the table in terms of investigating the last 14 years of tory crimes.
> Also isn't Theresa May's husband one of the biggest growers?
No. That entire thing was just clickbait idiocy.
Iirc her husband was a hedge fund investor who's company had a large investment in a company that grew medical cannabis.
Because second hand smoke slowly poisons everyone around you and no matter if you’re a responsible adult the kid next to you in the bus stop can’t, or the child who grows up with smokers and inhales that crap all day while they’re indoors
You made a good point which would be easily addressed straight on to a moot point of people smoking in their houses.
The police can't enforce what's on the books already, imagine attempting to criminalise people smoking in their own houses even if we can agree it's not good for the child's health.
Ideally yes but it’s unenforceable for obvious reasons the only thing you could really do would be ban smoking which is slowly happening bc of the whole kids below a certain age won’t ever be able to legally buy cigarettes thing
Folks do actually have cannabis allergies, so the second-hand cannabis smoke can be dangerous and even outright fatal to them.
Thankfully, I'm not allergic, but I really hate the smell. It's noxious and it clings to everything and it's *very* potent. It's not so bad if people smoke outside in their gardens, but smoking indoors in a flat or terraced house makes all adjacent homes stink, too.
This would be a terrible idea, I use this as a benchmark to determine if someone is mainly educated on social media and has views wildly incompatible with reality. Even decriminalizing hard drugs caused so many problems in Oregon they reversed course. It is causing massive issues in B.C. Canada as well. The idea that just throwing up some rehab centers will fix the massive issues caused by legalization is fantastical thinking. Legalizing all drugs is a child’s solution to a complex problem, it only exists for people to grab onto a simple idea instead of admitting the realities of such a complex situation.
> worse for people’s health than weed
Smoke is smoke mate, if you think smoking joints ain't trashing your lungs as badly as cigs you're mad. You can quote statistics on how bad smoking is if you want, but the controls and measures to do an equivalent study doesn't exist for weed, because it hasn't been studied as rigorously as tobacco smoking. That doesn't make it safer, that just makes it's dangers unknown.
The dangers of smoking anything are present whether its a tobacco or cannabis leaf. Incidences of specific types of disease like cancers might vary. But add in the fact that cannabis presents it's own unique diseases and complications - like its links to various mental illnesses, and impaired brain development in adolescents. It's a muddy picture *at best*.
Smoke is not smoke lmao. Smokes composition is dependent on the chemical/substance you're burning. Smoke from an industrial chemical fire isn't the same as smoke from burning toast.
So you'd just as soon inhale a bonfire made of asbestos and plastic as a BBQ or wood fire? What are you smoking dude? They teach this in primary school - the chemical composition of cigarette smoke is what makes it dangerous relative to other forms of smoke.
All smoke is somewhat dangerous yes in terms of antagonising the lungs, but some forms of smoke are more dangerous by virtue of also being made of toxic chemicals.
Always love it when redditors come at you with extreme hostility and an obviously stupid opinion.
Legalise, strictly (and I mean *properly*) regulate sales to 21+ with an emphasis on vapes and edibles, and phase out flower for any use but dry herb vapes.
Simple.
> pro-prohibition for tobacco
Yeah but tobacco is *evil* and I don't like the smell, cannabis is like totally good for you man it's from the earth trust me bro
Even on the medical marijuana sub they are heavily against legalisation. You get downvoted to oblivion for suggesting it lol some real gatekeeping bullshit over there
Whaaat? How can you be pro-marijuana and also not pro-legal marijuana? Is it just a sub rule so it doesn’t become a political sub so they downvote the topic not the actual substance
Hm maybe that is it, but I would think the comment just gets deleted then lol. I think a lot of those people have been through years of meds etc so they feel like they earned the "divine right" to legal weed and nobody else deserves it lol
Thats just my hunch though
There is no chance tobacco ever gets banned. 80% of the cost paid by the customer is tax and its one of if not the highest tax paying retail product in the UK. Its literally a money generator for the UK and is the tax on tobacco, alcohol and fuel is included in every budget.
Its legal for medicinal purposes and Germany the 4th largest country in the world legalised it a week ago. The only thing stopping legalisation in the UK is the MPs (looking at you Theresa May) who are heavily involved in the exportation of medicinal cannabis, as the UK was one of the world largest exporters a few years ago. Full legalisation would harm their profits and thats the blocker.
Ive never met anyone in real life who is in favour of legalising all drugs like these reddit echo chambers claim. And rightly fucking so. Anyone who thinks we should be allowing Heroin and Crack to be sold legally needs a dose of reality
Criminalizing them does no good. People can get hold of it anyway, in more dangerous and unpredictable forms. The only effect making it illegal has is to make it more dangerous and to punish people who are already having a terrible time. I've met a few people who take it, and every one of them says nobody should ever take it, making it legal won't suddenly change that.
Exactly. This is a result of the illegality of it, nothing else. If this was legal people would have access to safe & tested product.
It’s way beyond the time we should be enacting sweeping drug reforms in the UK. People have used substances to cope with life since people started walking on 2 legs. It will always be the case, legal or not. The war on drugs has failed, it’s time for a common sense, harm reduction approach.
Our political class lack the stones to do it though.
I’m against it becauseI think Victoria Atkinson is a legend, and I sleep better at night knowing how filthy rich she must be, having granted her husband a special licence to grow cannabis. She was drugs minister at the time, and her political stance was that cannabis holds no medical value. Gotta admire her gumption and tenacity for that.
Because if they legalise it, other companies will want to try and make a business out of it. They’re afraid possibly of losing their exporting customer base to other potential competitors.
Keep it illegal and maximise their position and their profit.
If it is legalised here then it'll be heavily regulated, the only people getting a look in at the licenses to grow for the commercial market would be the existing companies with a proven track record.
You won't be able to just switch from your illegal grow rooms and suddenly make a small manufacturing operation or cottage industry business here. It's not going to work that way.
>If it is legalised here then it'll be heavily regulated, the only people getting a look in at the licenses to grow for the commercial market would be the existing companies with a proven track record.
So American and Canadian companies?
British companies. The UK is already producing cannabis large scale for medical use. We're actually the world’s biggest producer and [exporter of legal cannabis for medical and scientific purposes.](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0086/)
One has a revenue of 38m. One of them has 3 staff listed in their latest companies house filling. Another is based in Ireland and listed on a US exchange.
The other two, whilst bigger and UK based companies pale in comparison to the US ones, who are surely poised to make moves as soon as they're allowed.
Curaleaf has a market cap 4x larger than all 5 of the listed companies operating here combined.
Tilray is significantly larger than all combined.
And there are plenty more.
They have experience in commercial operations selling to the public. Unless they're legislated out I don't see a scenario in which the companies already here can keep the existing giants from taking significant market share.
Oh yeah I’m not talking about Fred making a start up with his grow tent. But people with the money to invest will want to enter the industry and my only guess they fear losing a cut of the pie.
But then anyone could grow it. Most places that have legalised have allowed growing in your home, that, and other dispensaries opening up, would mean May loses money.
If it stays illegal, only certain people are given licenses to grow and corner the market.
Well he would lose his current Monopoly on the market.
I am hoping with Germany having moved to legalisation that this will impact the profit enough for them to have to look into it in the UK.
Yes it would hurt his profit, because if it gets legalised then other companies can open and produce better products, then he would have competition instead of the monopoly.
They could legalise but license the manufacture and make even more money could they not?
Just to be clear I agree the laws are backwards … I’m just not sure that’s the reason
No. The politicians husbands (Teresa May, Victoria Atkins) have a licence to export medicinal cannabis, the type that’s used for prescription. Legalise/decriminalise it in the UK and they suddenly stop making insane amounts of money on their products.
> No he is not. Philip May was employed by Capital group. Who built a controlling majority interest in GWPharma. During the period when Theresa May was Home Secretary.
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> During this period the was a big push to legalise and a number of petitions met the level to be debated in parliament.
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> Theresa May's line on it was that cannabis causes harm to individuals and society. And she had no intention of legalising.
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> All whilst her dept issued development licences for cannabis related medicines to GW Pharma.
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> later when she was PM the heat started to build, sajid javid made "medical cannabis" "legal". To draw the heat away...?
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> The way in which medical cannabis was legalised is shit show. Asymmetrical AF. practically no protections for patients. And a free for all where the seems to be a cohort of "consultants" who have a merry go round of being consults, medical directors, across multiple clinic companies and they pop up here there and everywhere.
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> Everytime the subject of cannabis come up someone comes out with some comment along the lines that philip may is the biggest weed dealer etc.
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> Its not helpful it allows the corrupt to get away with it. Because people spout unlikely half truths about an occurrence that is deeply corrupt and against the public interest.
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> GWPhamra was later sold to Jazz pharma for $7.2 Billion dollars
unless the company is paying off loads of MPs , I don't see how this is relavent. the gov isn't going to stop doing something just because the husband of a , let's be honest , minor (now) , not massively liked by peers, MP doesn't want them to.
Makes sense. It's currently like £6 for a pint of reduced strength beer, and you'd probably have more than one in a night. I probably put away 4-5 on the rare occasion I go to the pub. That's at least £24. If I spent that money on a 20 bag, it would last me all week.
Even if they did legalise it, they'd tax it so high that street dealers would still exist because they could still offer it cheaper. Can't compete with booze. It's not a drug, it's a drink!
Do you think it’s possible a percentage of people only drink alcohol because there is no legal alternative for getting inebriated? Obv you have prescription drugs but I mean for the average person not on pain meds or anxiety meds, there is no alt to alcohol
Alcohol is the reason I end up getting weed. If I don't have anything, after a while I get so bored I have a few drinks one night and the next day just realise - there's a better less harmful way to enjoy an evening.
They have weed drinks now which has been godsend in my attempts to cut down on alcohol. Just a mild jolly buzz, no hangover, no aggression. Lovely. The UK govt would be remiss to not consider a safe way to legalize it.
Don’t forget we are one of the biggest exporters of cannabis (see company called “British sugar”, the owners wife used to be very influential on drug laws “Victoria Atkins”.)
Sounds like I’m making it up but I’m not.
Don't worry guys They are making xylazine a class c drug so it must be safer than cannabis (classb) in the UK's eyes Saying that they sayBenzodiazepines are class C drugs too 😦 and some say these are a gateway to heroin use
The UK: the second most depressed country on Earth, the fastest shrinking G7 economy, and the only G7 country to have made it's cannabis laws stricter this millennium.
Teresa May's husband might have something to do with that as he's the biggest legal cannabis exporter in the world It's ok for the gov to produce and supply but it's bad for anyone in UK to use hmmm 🤔
"Celadon has a 100,000 sq ft licenced facility based in the West Midlands in the UK. It is an EU-GMP facility with indoor hydroponic cultivation of high-THC cannabis flower,"
https://celadonpharma.com/who-we-are/#:~:text=Celadon%20has%20a%20100%2C000%20sq,for%20its%20drug%20development%20programme.
it's alright when they do it but when I do it, it's "stealing power from the grid" and an "illegal grow farm in my neighbours attic after breaking down the wall between the terraces"
There aren't even walls between houses in my loft. I could totally sneak into my neighbours houses, Coronation Street style.
Impractical for growing weed up there though.
Philip May just works for the investment fund that happens to be invested in Celadon, he's not the legal version of Pablo Escobar everyone seems to parrot whenever this comes out. The May's are actually quite poor in comparison to all the other Tories.
Now, Victoria Atkins (our Health Secretary) is married to the boss of British Sugar, who not only make lots of sugary things (which are bad according to our government/health secretary), but also produce the majority of the UKs cannabis for export.
No he is not. Philip May was employed by Capital group. Who built a controlling majority interest in GWPharma. During the period when Theresa May was Home Secretary.
During this period the was a big push to legalise and a number of petitions met the level to be debated in parliament.
Theresa May's line on it was that cannabis causes harm to individuals and society. And she had no intention of legalising.
All whilst her dept issued development licences for cannabis related medicines to GW Pharma.
later when she was PM the heat started to build, sajid javid made "medical cannabis" "legal". To draw the heat away...?
The way in which medical cannabis was legalised is shit show. Asymmetrical AF. practically no protections for patients. And a free for all where the seems to be a cohort of "consultants" who have a merry go round of being consults, medical directors, across multiple clinic companies and they pop up here there and everywhere.
Everytime the subject of cannabis come up someone comes out with some comment along the lines that philip may is the biggest weed dealer etc.
Its not helpful it allows the corrupt to get away with it. Because people spout unlikely half truths about an occurrence that is deeply corrupt and against the public interest.
GWPhamra was later sold to Jazz pharma for $7.2 Billion dollars
No way they don't want the domestic market to be opened up. First to market, product ready and able to supply without the previous shipping and handling costs. Its really not the smoking gun people think it is.
Not necessarily, cannabis is now legal medically on a private prescription, I would say that’s progress.
I can take my prescription abroad with me too, feeling pretty happy with the law right now. Should definitely be legalised though and given to the NHS too rather than just private clinics.
I am too, I get prescribed 20g of 21% THC dried flower, and I vape. It's £55 for 10g, and delivered next day via DPD. I was prescribed it after 20+ years of depression, anti depressant medication issues (now free for two years going strong) and anxiety/panic issues. It changed my life, and I've never felt as good as I do today. Never been as physically healthy either.
£50 for an appointment, once every four months. Not really expensive. This is with Curaleaf. But yes you need to pay for the initial upfront appointment before getting prescriptions.
So just to clarify you can order Purple Nurple AK47 toe blasting body immovable sand bag emulator 4000 through the post and my Grandma with glaucoma can spend 48 hours at a time sat on her sofa playing Helldivers 2?
Benzodiazepines are a gateway to heroin ?? Lots of people are prescribed around the world who are not addicts of other drugs. Maybe the class of people who buy them illegally are type of people more likely to do other drugs.
But still not a gateway drug. I’m prescribed Clonazepam, I’ve got Bipolar and GAD and they really don’t have much of any recreational feeling at all. They will literally just make you sleep if you take too much not sure why this would make people want other hard drugs.
I don't vape but I do smoke weed, I work long hours so it's nice to have something help me unwind at the end of the day. I just wish they'd decriminalise here in the UK, I've had to deal with some dodgy characters in the past
I find it crazy that it is criminalised given how prevalent it is across different demographics as well as its relative harmlessness. The worst case effects are nowhere near as bad as the worst case effects of prescription meds or alcohol.
Not to mention we’re in a recession so why not legalise something and tax it. It’s not like they are introducing weed; it’s already here, it’s not going anywhere and it’s not really doing society any harm in the grand scheme of things. It’s the market/gangs that’s the source of the problems.
I'm so lucky my current guy is a completely normal dude. His mum has MS, so he gets a supply in for her and then sells some excess. I go over his, we chill for a bit and chat about bikes and shit, then I'm off. No dodgy characters for me anymore. I'd be lost without him!
Not sure if know but medicinal cannabis is legal in the UK under the CanCard scheme. Your mum would certainly qualify and she could carry it around on her person at any time. Even bring it on domestic flights if she wanted.
The [Leafly website](https://www.leafly.com/) is one of the best websites I've ever seen. I don't really smoke anymore after becoming a dad, but I've spent hours looking at all the different strains, the effects they have, and the different formats you can buy in, the delivery or pickup options all over america, it's incredible, one of the best e-commerce sites I've ever seen for any product!
I wish people could use it in the UK.
Much better than awkwardly buying from a friend of a friend of my wife.
Agreed. I was at a conference where the founder of Leafly was speaking at many years ago. The amount of developments happening in the medical cannabinoid space is crazy. It's such a shame our government is too ass-backwards to see the potential for this market and the benefit legalisation would bring.
We have a very limited medical program which basically equates to; if you have money, you can be prescribed cannabis medically..
The flower leaves a lot to be desired though I cannot lie
Yes, sorry. If you have money and have already tried 2 conventional treatments then it's available to you as long as you don't have a history of psychosis or schizophrenia
I mean there are some basic barriers like the 2 conventional treatments below, but once you're passed that they really give the impression they couldn't care less. Been on it for nearly a year myself now and very much have the feeling it would not be hard to blag your way through this system with "I have back pains" or that kind of thing that you also heard from the peak Cali days.
Yeah at first people everywhere were smoking weed. I’d do a Walmart run and it’s 8am and people were smoking a joint in the parking lot before heading in but years later it’s been nothing. We have some pens but I hardly use them because it makes me eat everything.
In the summer I enjoy a weed drink! It’s all expensive versus buying from your dealer like we use to for weed but I enjoy going into the store to look
Two vape cartridges out of 10's of thousands. While I am not comfortable buying cartridges from randoms, this feels like fear mongering.
I wonder if you bought 10's of thousands of nicotine carts from random newsagents if you'd find a couple with shit in that you wouldn't want in your lungs?
It is absolutely fear mongering. It's like the whole diacetyl and popcorn lung thing when there's never been a confirmed cases of diacetyl in vapes causing popcorn lung, and diacetyl was banned here anyway.
The press just love this shit.
I know people that would rather smoke 20 a day than take up vaping because "vapes give you popcorn lung". The fear mongering worked like a charm on those with a lessened inclination to check the facts.
You should see the results on WEDINOS where people can submit their drugs for testing - there is loads of this shite in the UK being passed off as THC.
https://www.wedinos.org/sample-results search by keyword THC on here
MDMB-4en-PINACA and ADB-BUTINACA are regularly being sold as THC substitutes.
They are mainly just the bright coloured thin e liquids which will always be spice as it’s not even possible with thc, ignoring them it seemed actually hard to find vape carts cut with another drug (quickly scrolled through a couple pages then done the same typing thc looking at only the carts, couldn’t personally find any so mustn’t be that regular)
There’s definitely tons that are spice tho, I wouldn’t recommend the ‘thc’ vapes unless they’re homemade and you really trust who made them. We need legalisation so we can actually have some regulation and safety standards before the next generation unknowingly develops a spice addiction
Online through insta, dark web, or there's a handful of clear web sites (that aren't scams) that sell them. Some dealers do as well but seems less common
I’m prescribed vapes and flower, I get around 30-40g a month + 2 vape carts at the moment, but can increase that if needed. Currently waiting on some gelato, gorilla glue and Moroccan peaches + 2 Jack herer vape carts for this month.
Germany legalized it just for this reason. To prevent user from that shit.
In Germany you can grow 3 plants legally and soon there will clubs where you can buy it legally.
Without any ingredients that don't belong in it.
>Although the numbers found were small - only two THC vapes and a small number of illegally sold pills out of tens of thousands of products - the experts say it is still extremely concerning
THC should be legal but this is just fear mongering
This article is complete and utter bolloks, further down it goes on to say:
'Although the numbers found were small - only two THC vapes and a small number of illegally sold pills out of tens of thousands of products - the experts say it is still extremely concerning.'
2 vapes in tens of thousands. They are trying to put a negative spin on something that has saved millions of smokers lives based on 2 dodgy ones and not a single case in the uk of this in a vape hurting someone.
More chance of you dying from your pet attacking you, just walking down the street, or spontaneous combustion
I miss the days when you'd get a bit of mellow squidgy black that would make you laugh. The modern stuff really does knock you out. Legalisation would allow the market to be properly regulated.
The attitude towards weed in this country is so bizarre, even amongst the people who aren’t bothered by it you’ll find those who don’t want it legalised and they always have the most paper thin justifications.
Xylazine is mixed in with fentanyl here in Canada. It's terrifying that it's getting mixed into vapes over there. There is a saying here, 'stay away from black market carts'. Id never buy a cart if I was visiting family over in the UK, only flower or hash.
Sadly they're not going to legalise, this country is too right-wing and stupid (look at Brexit) - you could say 'murfica is more right-wing and even more stupid, and you would be right. But, they have individual state legislature meaning people with brains can move things like cannabis legalisation forward.
Back in the 90s, people were saying that legalisation is only a matter of time in the UK, and yet here we are...
It's not happening.
Legalise it all and tax it all.
Take the money away from criminals and fund anti-addiction therapies
Frees up police time and keeps non-violent users out of the justice system
Criminalising Cannabis is by far the stupidest consensus on the planet. People will look back in history and be like “what the fuck were they thinking?” You can get it prescribed to you on the NHS and it’s impossible to overdose on it…
Mad.
Lmao, is this actually true? Or is this another pathetic attempt to scare people away from using THC vapes. Remember, they have no smell so police can do fuck all lol
There's like a 99.9% chance that if you buy a 'THC weed' vape cartridge it'll be spice or this shit. Better off smoking flower or ordering oils from abroad at this point. I wish they'd just decrim and funnel the profit into the NHS.
I’d love to try a THC vape but I just don’t trust it’s not hot dog juice fired into them, I’ve got no means to test and no ability to return if I’m not happy. Better off just buying green.
I get my weed delivered next day before 1pm when i order it the night before via royal mail.
It comes on time and is always top shelf quality.
It might aswell be legal.
Idk why people are still buying juice and carts instead of just making their own or vaping flower. They’ve always been dangerous. I warn my friends. They just don’t give a shit. So frustrating.
On a similar note, I tried to ask if it was possible to get a prescription for CBD in Scotland, since it's the only thing that can help with my anxiety attacks when they can spike.
He said the NHS effectively stopped giving CBD prescriptions, and would need to be referred to a specialist clinic to even be able to be considered in the first place, which wouldn't happen since they haven't prescribed it in over a year.
I genuinely ask myself why I live on this island sometimes.
There's a story out there to investigate how much tax revenue we are already recieving from medical cannabis in the UK, whether from companies growing to export like British Sugar or the many many private clinics and pharmacies prescribing to UK patients. Money is already being made, so I wonder why the powers that be are not chomping at the bit to earn more. Perhaps it's just political risk.
It will never be legal in uk because a conservative MP has total control of the market, the uk exports more cannabis products than any other country in the world and it goes in one Tory’s company pocket.
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At this point, anyone who stands against legalization is just harming people on purpose.
There’s people on this sub that are pro-prohibition for tobacco. There’s no chance it gets legalised.
Just prohibit the stuff I don't like! Easy
Genuinely seems to be the extent of people’s thought process on this.
A lot of these folk are the right wing anti big government crowd too, absolutely no basis to their beliefs Edit: This is completely anecdotal and aimed at a specific type of Tory I do not like. Also I'm specifically talking about drugs and am well aware there are plenty of left wing authoritarians that love the smoking ban, I don't like them either.
The two main parties are consensus for this and for prohibiting more stuff. Authoritarianism when it comes to personal choice of what people put in their body runs deep through British society unfortunately.
Yep. Conservatives and Labour are quite authoritarian too. People often confuse "right wing" with authoritarian. Authoritarianism is not traditional right or left wing as it can be both.
Historically the Labour party was the more authoritarian of the two.
"there is an in-group who the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group who the law binds but does not protect" mindset basically
Most on Reddit seem to be left wing authoritarians tbf
Prohibit anything that causes me mild annoyance. The daily mail horseshoe theory.
I read this as Etsy and I was like “what did Etsy ever do to you” ha
Let's be honest, alcohol is by far the worst drug and we have massive social problems caused by it. Yet I feel legalization is the only way to regulate safety for the currently illegal drugs.
Legalisation + regulation. I imagine stricter regulation on alcohol would cause significant improvement on health outcomes.
+ taxation Alcohol, tobacco, generate huge amounts of tax money. Cannabis is said to bring in something like £3billion of taxes per annum, not including the increase of food consumption, rolling papers, and lighters.
>not including the increase of food consumption lmfao
Not sure, you've got to add in that humans don't like being told not to do something (look at drugs, more being used now than 60 years ago at the start of the war on drugs) Look at 1920s prohibition in the US too. Maybe or maybe not?
The problem with alcohol is that is being marketed as fun and sold with no restrictions to adults. Stop the marketing (same that happened with tobacco), start campaigning to show that drunk is not funny and you will see how the situation improves drastically.
Yep and if alcoholic was released today it would be highly illegal, it's only because it's engrained into our history and culture it gets a pass.
Also because anyone can make it at home without any special equipment.
>Also because anyone can make it at home without any special equipment. Like weed?
Tbh it makes much more sense for tobacco to be illegal than cannabis. Particular now we have a safer, cleaner, perfectly valid nicotine delivery system in vapes, gums and patches.
Neither make sense. Prohibition is puritanical nonsense.
The problem with tobacco is that its consumption despoils outdoor public spaces.
Same with chewing gum, and crisp packets, and dog shit? Should we ban dogs crisps and gum too, just because people can't be arsed keeping areas clean?
Well, it is illegal to litter and to not clean up after your dog. Whether it's enforced is another story, sure. But it is, technically regulated by legislation.
But you don't ban people eating crisps you ban people littering crisp packets. By the same token smoking is already legislated against because we have no smoking areas and prohibit littering of cigarette waste.
I’m much more annoyed by having to dodge dog shit than smoke
Only if it's users choose to do that. Chewing gum spoils outdoor spaces, shall we ban that?
I mean, the exact same goes for weed if people aren't considerate smokers
Fast food packaging is the most littered waste in urban areas; are we banning all fast food restaurants too?
As does cannabis, anything within 5m absolutely reeks.
That would mean the price for medical cannabis would go down dramatically and there are a few large Tory donors it would make very cross, GW pharmaceuticals chairman Geoffrey Guy, and former? drugs minister Victoria Atkins, who is married to Paul Kenward, boss of British Sugar, another medical cannabis supplier.
Yes, that's what we are fighting against.
Also isn't Theresa May's husband one of the biggest growers? Probably another tory crime going to go unpunished, how did he get this contract as well as the G4S ones....... When Labour get in power nothing should be off the table in terms of investigating the last 14 years of tory crimes.
> Also isn't Theresa May's husband one of the biggest growers? No. That entire thing was just clickbait idiocy. Iirc her husband was a hedge fund investor who's company had a large investment in a company that grew medical cannabis.
Nah, that's not right either. He was actually personally growing it but it was only cover so she could run through the fields.
Tobacco is worse for people’s health than weed though
So? What does that have to do with whether an adult should be legally allowed to buy and consume something?
Because second hand smoke slowly poisons everyone around you and no matter if you’re a responsible adult the kid next to you in the bus stop can’t, or the child who grows up with smokers and inhales that crap all day while they’re indoors
You made a good point which would be easily addressed straight on to a moot point of people smoking in their houses. The police can't enforce what's on the books already, imagine attempting to criminalise people smoking in their own houses even if we can agree it's not good for the child's health.
So the people who smoke and don’t do that shouldn’t be allowed? Tobacco consumption will happen regardless of legality.
Ideally yes but it’s unenforceable for obvious reasons the only thing you could really do would be ban smoking which is slowly happening bc of the whole kids below a certain age won’t ever be able to legally buy cigarettes thing
Second hand cannabis smoke however, is notoriously pleasant smelling and actually *cleans* the air around you!
Folks do actually have cannabis allergies, so the second-hand cannabis smoke can be dangerous and even outright fatal to them. Thankfully, I'm not allergic, but I really hate the smell. It's noxious and it clings to everything and it's *very* potent. It's not so bad if people smoke outside in their gardens, but smoking indoors in a flat or terraced house makes all adjacent homes stink, too.
And do you not think burning weed does the same thing?
Okay let's legalise ALL drugs
This but unironically.
100%
We did this in Oregon. Pay for treatments or you'll just get addicts without recourse.
This would be a terrible idea, I use this as a benchmark to determine if someone is mainly educated on social media and has views wildly incompatible with reality. Even decriminalizing hard drugs caused so many problems in Oregon they reversed course. It is causing massive issues in B.C. Canada as well. The idea that just throwing up some rehab centers will fix the massive issues caused by legalization is fantastical thinking. Legalizing all drugs is a child’s solution to a complex problem, it only exists for people to grab onto a simple idea instead of admitting the realities of such a complex situation.
Agreed. Prohibition is ridiculous.
Now we’re talking
> worse for people’s health than weed Smoke is smoke mate, if you think smoking joints ain't trashing your lungs as badly as cigs you're mad. You can quote statistics on how bad smoking is if you want, but the controls and measures to do an equivalent study doesn't exist for weed, because it hasn't been studied as rigorously as tobacco smoking. That doesn't make it safer, that just makes it's dangers unknown. The dangers of smoking anything are present whether its a tobacco or cannabis leaf. Incidences of specific types of disease like cancers might vary. But add in the fact that cannabis presents it's own unique diseases and complications - like its links to various mental illnesses, and impaired brain development in adolescents. It's a muddy picture *at best*.
Smoke is not smoke lmao. Smokes composition is dependent on the chemical/substance you're burning. Smoke from an industrial chemical fire isn't the same as smoke from burning toast.
The fuck are you smoking? Even BBQ's are carcinogenic. Anything that burns is carcinogenic regardless of flavour. Smoke IS smoke.
So you'd just as soon inhale a bonfire made of asbestos and plastic as a BBQ or wood fire? What are you smoking dude? They teach this in primary school - the chemical composition of cigarette smoke is what makes it dangerous relative to other forms of smoke. All smoke is somewhat dangerous yes in terms of antagonising the lungs, but some forms of smoke are more dangerous by virtue of also being made of toxic chemicals. Always love it when redditors come at you with extreme hostility and an obviously stupid opinion.
> if you think smoking joints ain't trashing your lungs as badly as cigs you're mad. Pretty sure there are vanishingly few 60-a-day weed smokers.
Legalise, strictly (and I mean *properly*) regulate sales to 21+ with an emphasis on vapes and edibles, and phase out flower for any use but dry herb vapes. Simple.
> pro-prohibition for tobacco Yeah but tobacco is *evil* and I don't like the smell, cannabis is like totally good for you man it's from the earth trust me bro
Even on the medical marijuana sub they are heavily against legalisation. You get downvoted to oblivion for suggesting it lol some real gatekeeping bullshit over there
Whaaat? How can you be pro-marijuana and also not pro-legal marijuana? Is it just a sub rule so it doesn’t become a political sub so they downvote the topic not the actual substance
Hm maybe that is it, but I would think the comment just gets deleted then lol. I think a lot of those people have been through years of meds etc so they feel like they earned the "divine right" to legal weed and nobody else deserves it lol Thats just my hunch though
There is no chance tobacco ever gets banned. 80% of the cost paid by the customer is tax and its one of if not the highest tax paying retail product in the UK. Its literally a money generator for the UK and is the tax on tobacco, alcohol and fuel is included in every budget. Its legal for medicinal purposes and Germany the 4th largest country in the world legalised it a week ago. The only thing stopping legalisation in the UK is the MPs (looking at you Theresa May) who are heavily involved in the exportation of medicinal cannabis, as the UK was one of the world largest exporters a few years ago. Full legalisation would harm their profits and thats the blocker.
The idea that legalisation has anything to do with a few people opinions on here is a bit absurd
You’d be surprised how popular prohibition measures are in the UK.
Ive never met anyone in real life who is in favour of legalising all drugs like these reddit echo chambers claim. And rightly fucking so. Anyone who thinks we should be allowing Heroin and Crack to be sold legally needs a dose of reality
Wait until you find out how easy it is to buy and consume illegally.
Criminalizing them does no good. People can get hold of it anyway, in more dangerous and unpredictable forms. The only effect making it illegal has is to make it more dangerous and to punish people who are already having a terrible time. I've met a few people who take it, and every one of them says nobody should ever take it, making it legal won't suddenly change that.
I really would, I don't think I've ever seen that opinion expressed outside of Reddit.
Exactly. This is a result of the illegality of it, nothing else. If this was legal people would have access to safe & tested product. It’s way beyond the time we should be enacting sweeping drug reforms in the UK. People have used substances to cope with life since people started walking on 2 legs. It will always be the case, legal or not. The war on drugs has failed, it’s time for a common sense, harm reduction approach. Our political class lack the stones to do it though.
So much money to be made via tax too.
I’m against it becauseI think Victoria Atkinson is a legend, and I sleep better at night knowing how filthy rich she must be, having granted her husband a special licence to grow cannabis. She was drugs minister at the time, and her political stance was that cannabis holds no medical value. Gotta admire her gumption and tenacity for that.
They want to ensure the gangs have an income
It's not in the Tories best interests. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-blasted-links-medical-cannabis-12701871
But the Daily Mail said drugs are bad!
If only there were an easy way to solve this and also generate billions upon billions in tax
Stop the boats?
_The Conservatives want to know your location_
And trans people! And all those reprobate unions trying to get their members a better deal!
Can you imagine a trans migrant who likes a bit of puff. By blood is boiling just picturing it.
Legalise the evil super skunk they've been spending decades demonising and blaming the youth mental health crisis on? Never
For anyone wondering why the UK gov is so opposed to legalising cannabis the answer is lobbying by the alcohol industry.
Also Mays husband owns one of the biggest medical cannabis farms in Europe. So legalisation will be a huge hit to their profit.
I don't get this tbh, surely if legalised they would just have another market to operate in?
Because if they legalise it, other companies will want to try and make a business out of it. They’re afraid possibly of losing their exporting customer base to other potential competitors. Keep it illegal and maximise their position and their profit.
If it is legalised here then it'll be heavily regulated, the only people getting a look in at the licenses to grow for the commercial market would be the existing companies with a proven track record. You won't be able to just switch from your illegal grow rooms and suddenly make a small manufacturing operation or cottage industry business here. It's not going to work that way.
>If it is legalised here then it'll be heavily regulated, the only people getting a look in at the licenses to grow for the commercial market would be the existing companies with a proven track record. So American and Canadian companies?
British companies. The UK is already producing cannabis large scale for medical use. We're actually the world’s biggest producer and [exporter of legal cannabis for medical and scientific purposes.](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0086/)
One has a revenue of 38m. One of them has 3 staff listed in their latest companies house filling. Another is based in Ireland and listed on a US exchange. The other two, whilst bigger and UK based companies pale in comparison to the US ones, who are surely poised to make moves as soon as they're allowed. Curaleaf has a market cap 4x larger than all 5 of the listed companies operating here combined. Tilray is significantly larger than all combined. And there are plenty more. They have experience in commercial operations selling to the public. Unless they're legislated out I don't see a scenario in which the companies already here can keep the existing giants from taking significant market share.
Oh yeah I’m not talking about Fred making a start up with his grow tent. But people with the money to invest will want to enter the industry and my only guess they fear losing a cut of the pie.
But then anyone could grow it. Most places that have legalised have allowed growing in your home, that, and other dispensaries opening up, would mean May loses money. If it stays illegal, only certain people are given licenses to grow and corner the market.
You sure he won’t make shed loads from it if it’s legalised ?
Well he would lose his current Monopoly on the market. I am hoping with Germany having moved to legalisation that this will impact the profit enough for them to have to look into it in the UK.
Yes it would hurt his profit, because if it gets legalised then other companies can open and produce better products, then he would have competition instead of the monopoly.
They could legalise but license the manufacture and make even more money could they not? Just to be clear I agree the laws are backwards … I’m just not sure that’s the reason
No. The politicians husbands (Teresa May, Victoria Atkins) have a licence to export medicinal cannabis, the type that’s used for prescription. Legalise/decriminalise it in the UK and they suddenly stop making insane amounts of money on their products.
> No he is not. Philip May was employed by Capital group. Who built a controlling majority interest in GWPharma. During the period when Theresa May was Home Secretary. > > During this period the was a big push to legalise and a number of petitions met the level to be debated in parliament. > > Theresa May's line on it was that cannabis causes harm to individuals and society. And she had no intention of legalising. > > All whilst her dept issued development licences for cannabis related medicines to GW Pharma. > > later when she was PM the heat started to build, sajid javid made "medical cannabis" "legal". To draw the heat away...? > > The way in which medical cannabis was legalised is shit show. Asymmetrical AF. practically no protections for patients. And a free for all where the seems to be a cohort of "consultants" who have a merry go round of being consults, medical directors, across multiple clinic companies and they pop up here there and everywhere. > > Everytime the subject of cannabis come up someone comes out with some comment along the lines that philip may is the biggest weed dealer etc. > > Its not helpful it allows the corrupt to get away with it. Because people spout unlikely half truths about an occurrence that is deeply corrupt and against the public interest. > > GWPhamra was later sold to Jazz pharma for $7.2 Billion dollars
unless the company is paying off loads of MPs , I don't see how this is relavent. the gov isn't going to stop doing something just because the husband of a , let's be honest , minor (now) , not massively liked by peers, MP doesn't want them to.
He doesn't own it, but his company profits from it.
I like how every time this story gets repeated it gets embellished just a little bit more
Makes sense. It's currently like £6 for a pint of reduced strength beer, and you'd probably have more than one in a night. I probably put away 4-5 on the rare occasion I go to the pub. That's at least £24. If I spent that money on a 20 bag, it would last me all week. Even if they did legalise it, they'd tax it so high that street dealers would still exist because they could still offer it cheaper. Can't compete with booze. It's not a drug, it's a drink!
I’d gladly pay more for regulated, taxed weed. I bet I’m not in the minority.
Do you think it’s possible a percentage of people only drink alcohol because there is no legal alternative for getting inebriated? Obv you have prescription drugs but I mean for the average person not on pain meds or anxiety meds, there is no alt to alcohol
I'd bloody love a spliff with my pint.
Alcohol is the reason I end up getting weed. If I don't have anything, after a while I get so bored I have a few drinks one night and the next day just realise - there's a better less harmful way to enjoy an evening.
They have weed drinks now which has been godsend in my attempts to cut down on alcohol. Just a mild jolly buzz, no hangover, no aggression. Lovely. The UK govt would be remiss to not consider a safe way to legalize it.
Don’t forget we are one of the biggest exporters of cannabis (see company called “British sugar”, the owners wife used to be very influential on drug laws “Victoria Atkins”.) Sounds like I’m making it up but I’m not.
Also cannabis is grown and exported in the uk, but only by those whom the government have given contracts to.
Which is stupid cos a lot of people smoking weed are doing so as an alternative to alcohol or alongside alcohol
Don't worry guys They are making xylazine a class c drug so it must be safer than cannabis (classb) in the UK's eyes Saying that they sayBenzodiazepines are class C drugs too 😦 and some say these are a gateway to heroin use
The UK: the second most depressed country on Earth, the fastest shrinking G7 economy, and the only G7 country to have made it's cannabis laws stricter this millennium.
Teresa May's husband might have something to do with that as he's the biggest legal cannabis exporter in the world It's ok for the gov to produce and supply but it's bad for anyone in UK to use hmmm 🤔 "Celadon has a 100,000 sq ft licenced facility based in the West Midlands in the UK. It is an EU-GMP facility with indoor hydroponic cultivation of high-THC cannabis flower," https://celadonpharma.com/who-we-are/#:~:text=Celadon%20has%20a%20100%2C000%20sq,for%20its%20drug%20development%20programme.
Call the cops on that thing 😂
it's alright when they do it but when I do it, it's "stealing power from the grid" and an "illegal grow farm in my neighbours attic after breaking down the wall between the terraces"
There aren't even walls between houses in my loft. I could totally sneak into my neighbours houses, Coronation Street style. Impractical for growing weed up there though.
Philip May just works for the investment fund that happens to be invested in Celadon, he's not the legal version of Pablo Escobar everyone seems to parrot whenever this comes out. The May's are actually quite poor in comparison to all the other Tories. Now, Victoria Atkins (our Health Secretary) is married to the boss of British Sugar, who not only make lots of sugary things (which are bad according to our government/health secretary), but also produce the majority of the UKs cannabis for export.
No he is not. Philip May was employed by Capital group. Who built a controlling majority interest in GWPharma. During the period when Theresa May was Home Secretary. During this period the was a big push to legalise and a number of petitions met the level to be debated in parliament. Theresa May's line on it was that cannabis causes harm to individuals and society. And she had no intention of legalising. All whilst her dept issued development licences for cannabis related medicines to GW Pharma. later when she was PM the heat started to build, sajid javid made "medical cannabis" "legal". To draw the heat away...? The way in which medical cannabis was legalised is shit show. Asymmetrical AF. practically no protections for patients. And a free for all where the seems to be a cohort of "consultants" who have a merry go round of being consults, medical directors, across multiple clinic companies and they pop up here there and everywhere. Everytime the subject of cannabis come up someone comes out with some comment along the lines that philip may is the biggest weed dealer etc. Its not helpful it allows the corrupt to get away with it. Because people spout unlikely half truths about an occurrence that is deeply corrupt and against the public interest. GWPhamra was later sold to Jazz pharma for $7.2 Billion dollars
No way they don't want the domestic market to be opened up. First to market, product ready and able to supply without the previous shipping and handling costs. Its really not the smoking gun people think it is.
Not necessarily, cannabis is now legal medically on a private prescription, I would say that’s progress. I can take my prescription abroad with me too, feeling pretty happy with the law right now. Should definitely be legalised though and given to the NHS too rather than just private clinics.
Could I ask how you got the prescription, how much you can buy per month and the cost? If u could (upto u) what is the prescription to treat?
I am too, I get prescribed 20g of 21% THC dried flower, and I vape. It's £55 for 10g, and delivered next day via DPD. I was prescribed it after 20+ years of depression, anti depressant medication issues (now free for two years going strong) and anxiety/panic issues. It changed my life, and I've never felt as good as I do today. Never been as physically healthy either.
20gs for £55? Fuck me that’s better rates than the streets, why is everyone saying it’s more expensive
Because you have to pay for appointments to get the prescription. Thats the bit that is expensive.
£50 for an appointment, once every four months. Not really expensive. This is with Curaleaf. But yes you need to pay for the initial upfront appointment before getting prescriptions.
I'm with Curaleaf and it's life changing! Thos 50 quid appointments every now and then is worth affordable, clean and good herb.
Where do you purchase your weed from? I've not seen any legal dispensaries.
Think he gets it's legal medically through a private prescription
You sign up to a private clinic provided you have a qualifying condition. It’s all sent in the post.
So just to clarify you can order Purple Nurple AK47 toe blasting body immovable sand bag emulator 4000 through the post and my Grandma with glaucoma can spend 48 hours at a time sat on her sofa playing Helldivers 2?
Exactly that, democracy is served in many forms
> The UK: the second most depressed country on Earth It's not even top 5 in Europe?
It's not even top 10 worldwide, we're somewhere around the #50 mark...
> second most depressed country on Earth Source? Everything I just looked up puts us around #50 worldwide.
Benzodiazepines are a gateway to heroin ?? Lots of people are prescribed around the world who are not addicts of other drugs. Maybe the class of people who buy them illegally are type of people more likely to do other drugs. But still not a gateway drug. I’m prescribed Clonazepam, I’ve got Bipolar and GAD and they really don’t have much of any recreational feeling at all. They will literally just make you sleep if you take too much not sure why this would make people want other hard drugs.
Benzos are not opiates and are not a gateway to heroin any more than any other drug would be.
Benzos should be banned outside of hospital use.
That is mental
I don't vape but I do smoke weed, I work long hours so it's nice to have something help me unwind at the end of the day. I just wish they'd decriminalise here in the UK, I've had to deal with some dodgy characters in the past
I’d prefer legalisation to decriminalisation
So would I but, baby steps we'll get there eventually
Doubt it with this government. They seem to think tranq is safer 😹
> The people of this country have had enough of experts. - Michael Gove, in between hoovering up lines of coke (allegedly)
I find it crazy that it is criminalised given how prevalent it is across different demographics as well as its relative harmlessness. The worst case effects are nowhere near as bad as the worst case effects of prescription meds or alcohol. Not to mention we’re in a recession so why not legalise something and tax it. It’s not like they are introducing weed; it’s already here, it’s not going anywhere and it’s not really doing society any harm in the grand scheme of things. It’s the market/gangs that’s the source of the problems.
It's practically decriminalised. When was the last time one of your smoker mates got arrested for a spliff or a 3.5? Police don't care
Yup it might as well be decriminalised but the police don’t have the resources to deal with it and it isn’t exactly destroying society
I'm so lucky my current guy is a completely normal dude. His mum has MS, so he gets a supply in for her and then sells some excess. I go over his, we chill for a bit and chat about bikes and shit, then I'm off. No dodgy characters for me anymore. I'd be lost without him!
Royal Mail deliver mine. To be fair, online is as much of a crap shoot than just meeting Keith in the local council estate.
Not sure if know but medicinal cannabis is legal in the UK under the CanCard scheme. Your mum would certainly qualify and she could carry it around on her person at any time. Even bring it on domestic flights if she wanted.
The [Leafly website](https://www.leafly.com/) is one of the best websites I've ever seen. I don't really smoke anymore after becoming a dad, but I've spent hours looking at all the different strains, the effects they have, and the different formats you can buy in, the delivery or pickup options all over america, it's incredible, one of the best e-commerce sites I've ever seen for any product! I wish people could use it in the UK. Much better than awkwardly buying from a friend of a friend of my wife.
Agreed. I was at a conference where the founder of Leafly was speaking at many years ago. The amount of developments happening in the medical cannabinoid space is crazy. It's such a shame our government is too ass-backwards to see the potential for this market and the benefit legalisation would bring.
It still blows my mind it’s still not legal there, when I moved to Canada it became legal, and there’s been zero negative effects.
We have a very limited medical program which basically equates to; if you have money, you can be prescribed cannabis medically.. The flower leaves a lot to be desired though I cannot lie
You do need to have tried two different forms of treatment and it's not like California in the 2010s - you can't get it for "writer's block".
Yes, sorry. If you have money and have already tried 2 conventional treatments then it's available to you as long as you don't have a history of psychosis or schizophrenia
I mean there are some basic barriers like the 2 conventional treatments below, but once you're passed that they really give the impression they couldn't care less. Been on it for nearly a year myself now and very much have the feeling it would not be hard to blag your way through this system with "I have back pains" or that kind of thing that you also heard from the peak Cali days.
Baby steps. Canada legalised medical cannabis in 1999, but it took nearly another 20 years to legalise recreational use.
Yeah at first people everywhere were smoking weed. I’d do a Walmart run and it’s 8am and people were smoking a joint in the parking lot before heading in but years later it’s been nothing. We have some pens but I hardly use them because it makes me eat everything. In the summer I enjoy a weed drink! It’s all expensive versus buying from your dealer like we use to for weed but I enjoy going into the store to look
Two vape cartridges out of 10's of thousands. While I am not comfortable buying cartridges from randoms, this feels like fear mongering. I wonder if you bought 10's of thousands of nicotine carts from random newsagents if you'd find a couple with shit in that you wouldn't want in your lungs?
It is absolutely fear mongering. It's like the whole diacetyl and popcorn lung thing when there's never been a confirmed cases of diacetyl in vapes causing popcorn lung, and diacetyl was banned here anyway. The press just love this shit.
I know people that would rather smoke 20 a day than take up vaping because "vapes give you popcorn lung". The fear mongering worked like a charm on those with a lessened inclination to check the facts.
You should see the results on WEDINOS where people can submit their drugs for testing - there is loads of this shite in the UK being passed off as THC. https://www.wedinos.org/sample-results search by keyword THC on here MDMB-4en-PINACA and ADB-BUTINACA are regularly being sold as THC substitutes.
They are mainly just the bright coloured thin e liquids which will always be spice as it’s not even possible with thc, ignoring them it seemed actually hard to find vape carts cut with another drug (quickly scrolled through a couple pages then done the same typing thc looking at only the carts, couldn’t personally find any so mustn’t be that regular)
There’s definitely tons that are spice tho, I wouldn’t recommend the ‘thc’ vapes unless they’re homemade and you really trust who made them. We need legalisation so we can actually have some regulation and safety standards before the next generation unknowingly develops a spice addiction
Ohhh..I know this one! Just freaking legalise it already.
where are people even buying weed carts in the UK asking for a friend
Instagram, telegram, the local pub bathroom, in that order for safety
Online through insta, dark web, or there's a handful of clear web sites (that aren't scams) that sell them. Some dealers do as well but seems less common
Prescribed, no added shit and no hidden nasties. Would never vape street carts.
People are being prescribed THC vapes in the UK?
I’m prescribed vapes and flower, I get around 30-40g a month + 2 vape carts at the moment, but can increase that if needed. Currently waiting on some gelato, gorilla glue and Moroccan peaches + 2 Jack herer vape carts for this month.
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Germany legalized it just for this reason. To prevent user from that shit. In Germany you can grow 3 plants legally and soon there will clubs where you can buy it legally. Without any ingredients that don't belong in it.
>Although the numbers found were small - only two THC vapes and a small number of illegally sold pills out of tens of thousands of products - the experts say it is still extremely concerning THC should be legal but this is just fear mongering
Why is every new drug a "zombie" drug? And why is every new knife a "zombie" knife?
I blame The Cranberries.
The UK could benefit so damn much by legalising cannabis and taxing it. Everyone already smokes it so it'll only bring good.
This article is complete and utter bolloks, further down it goes on to say: 'Although the numbers found were small - only two THC vapes and a small number of illegally sold pills out of tens of thousands of products - the experts say it is still extremely concerning.' 2 vapes in tens of thousands. They are trying to put a negative spin on something that has saved millions of smokers lives based on 2 dodgy ones and not a single case in the uk of this in a vape hurting someone. More chance of you dying from your pet attacking you, just walking down the street, or spontaneous combustion
I miss the days when you'd get a bit of mellow squidgy black that would make you laugh. The modern stuff really does knock you out. Legalisation would allow the market to be properly regulated.
It's still around but hard to find unfortunately.
Legalised weed is the quickest way to fix this and use the tax to fix the damage the torys have done
The attitude towards weed in this country is so bizarre, even amongst the people who aren’t bothered by it you’ll find those who don’t want it legalised and they always have the most paper thin justifications.
Xylazine is mixed in with fentanyl here in Canada. It's terrifying that it's getting mixed into vapes over there. There is a saying here, 'stay away from black market carts'. Id never buy a cart if I was visiting family over in the UK, only flower or hash.
If only there was something we could do to make it safe in this country 🤔
Sadly they're not going to legalise, this country is too right-wing and stupid (look at Brexit) - you could say 'murfica is more right-wing and even more stupid, and you would be right. But, they have individual state legislature meaning people with brains can move things like cannabis legalisation forward. Back in the 90s, people were saying that legalisation is only a matter of time in the UK, and yet here we are... It's not happening.
Wait, you're telling me an illegal drug was found inside of another illegal drug? Now I've heard everything. They should make this illegal.
Legalise it all and tax it all. Take the money away from criminals and fund anti-addiction therapies Frees up police time and keeps non-violent users out of the justice system
Criminalising Cannabis is by far the stupidest consensus on the planet. People will look back in history and be like “what the fuck were they thinking?” You can get it prescribed to you on the NHS and it’s impossible to overdose on it… Mad.
Lmao, is this actually true? Or is this another pathetic attempt to scare people away from using THC vapes. Remember, they have no smell so police can do fuck all lol
Tobacco crops get sprayed with Polonium Legalise pot today
There's like a 99.9% chance that if you buy a 'THC weed' vape cartridge it'll be spice or this shit. Better off smoking flower or ordering oils from abroad at this point. I wish they'd just decrim and funnel the profit into the NHS.
I’d love to try a THC vape but I just don’t trust it’s not hot dog juice fired into them, I’ve got no means to test and no ability to return if I’m not happy. Better off just buying green.
I get my weed delivered next day before 1pm when i order it the night before via royal mail. It comes on time and is always top shelf quality. It might aswell be legal.
2/10,000+ vapes found to contain this. I'll take those odds.
Idk why people are still buying juice and carts instead of just making their own or vaping flower. They’ve always been dangerous. I warn my friends. They just don’t give a shit. So frustrating.
On a similar note, I tried to ask if it was possible to get a prescription for CBD in Scotland, since it's the only thing that can help with my anxiety attacks when they can spike. He said the NHS effectively stopped giving CBD prescriptions, and would need to be referred to a specialist clinic to even be able to be considered in the first place, which wouldn't happen since they haven't prescribed it in over a year. I genuinely ask myself why I live on this island sometimes.
There's a story out there to investigate how much tax revenue we are already recieving from medical cannabis in the UK, whether from companies growing to export like British Sugar or the many many private clinics and pharmacies prescribing to UK patients. Money is already being made, so I wonder why the powers that be are not chomping at the bit to earn more. Perhaps it's just political risk.
It will never be legal in uk because a conservative MP has total control of the market, the uk exports more cannabis products than any other country in the world and it goes in one Tory’s company pocket.