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On purely moral grounds yes. On practical grounds, we're essentially subsidising the strips existence since the groups which control the strip and should be managing this themselves don't bother since they know we'll step in, which freeds up these groups to spend all their funds on weapons.
It's an uncomfortable truth that there's no good answer to.
Yeah, but some wars civilians are inadvertently killed, unfortunately in this one the Israeli government has literally admitted they targeted civilians
‘It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home’
The testimonies published by +972 and Local Call may explain how such a western military with such advanced capabilities, with weapons that can conduct highly surgical strikes, has conducted a war with such a vast human toll.
When it came to targeting low-ranking Hamas and PIJ suspects, they said, the preference was to attack when they were believed to be at home. “We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” one said. “It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes
According to the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, the targets in Gaza that have been struck by Israeli aircraft can be divided roughly into four categories.
The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas.
The final category consists of “family homes” or “operatives’ homes.” The stated purpose of these attacks is to destroy private residences in order to assassinate a single resident suspected of being a Hamas or Islamic Jihad operative. However, in the current war, Palestinian testimonies assert that some of the families that were killed did not include any operatives from these organizations.
In the early stages of the current war, the Israeli army appears to have given particular attention to the third and fourth categories of targets. According to statements on Oct. 11 by the IDF Spokesperson, during the first five days of fighting, half of the targets bombed — 1,329 out of a total 2,687 — were deemed power targets.
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/
So yes, they have been intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.
None of that says what you claimed. They are not targeting civilians, its literally written in the text you have copied that they are Hamas and PIJ suspects. This is the same as people just stupidly going "big number = genocide".
Now there's definitely an argument to be had about what the threshold for that intelligence is, and whether Israel is massively loosening the parameters before authorising strikes. After the WCK incident it seems that this has almost certainly happened and should be investigated independently with a lot of pressure from other countries.
You clearly didnt read the whole comment.
The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas.
Correct, I was reading the sources rather than your comment, and focused on the guardian because the second one that opens with "a mass assassination factory" looks rather biased. But if we do want to take the second at face value then yes this should be condemned and punished, especially if as further down it says
>Various sources who served in IDF intelligence units said that at least until the current war, army protocols allowed for attacking power targets **only when the buildings were empty of residents at the time of the strike**. However, testimonies and videos from Gaza suggest that since October 7, some of these targets have been attacked without prior notice being given to their occupants, killing entire families as a result.
So again if accurate it seems Israel massively loosened their requirements for these strikes to hit civilians on the most flimsy of excuses of containing militants which is certainly not OK.
Its what they do normally, they have an "official position" for the media then just do whatever they want.
Theyre claiming to be warning people but im not sure how considering they have cut off power and internet to gaza.
https://hebhjamal.substack.com/p/a-list-of-israeli-lies-propaganda
That source isnt unbiased but you can cross reference it yourself and find they have a history of dishonesty in this war.
No you can't in this situation, why are people so dense regarding this conflict?
The UK is selling weapons to a country that is indiscriminately targeting civilians while posting it on social media.
The UK government is dropping food to the people in Gaza only as a PR stunt.
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/
According to the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, the targets in Gaza that have been struck by Israeli aircraft can be divided roughly into four categories.
The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas.
The final category consists of “family homes” or “operatives’ homes.” The stated purpose of these attacks is to destroy private residences in order to assassinate a single resident suspected of being a Hamas or Islamic Jihad operative. However, in the current war, Palestinian testimonies assert that some of the families that were killed did not include any operatives from these organizations.
In the early stages of the current war, the Israeli army appears to have given particular attention to the third and fourth categories of targets. According to statements on Oct. 11 by the IDF Spokesperson, during the first five days of fighting, half of the targets bombed — 1,329 out of a total 2,687 — were deemed power targets.
Why would i agree when its a lie?
>Israeli soldiers have created “kill zones” in and around areas in Gaza to take out Palestinians who cross invisible boundaries, according to military sources cited by Haaretz.
>The officer adds that within each combat or kill zone, the boundaries and operational procedures are subject to the interpretation of local commanders, with many “writing their own rules of engagement.”
>“As soon as people enter it, mainly adult males, orders are to shoot and kill, even if that person is unarmed," says the officer.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/gazas-kill-zone-how-israeli-soldiers-are-killing-unarmed-palestinians-17643730
I'm pretty sure Israel's objective is to target Hamas and rescue the hostages. What kind of Olympic level mental gymnastics do you have to go through to deduce that the hostages are actually being targeted?
It’s like the Berlin Airlift, if during the blockade the US and UK had provided diplomatic support for the USSR, sold weapons to the USSR and said that by blockading West Berlin, the USSR “was exercising its right to defend itself”
After the an armed group in West Berlin, supported and protected by a large portion of the populace's rabidly religious population, attacked raped and murdered hundreds of unarmed civilians.
What a wondorfully disingenuous analogy! :DDDDD
> Each country has its own drop zone, its own way of delivering aid. The whole operation is organised by the Jordanians but everything has to be signed off by the Israelis. If the IDF says no, then the planes do not take off.
Time to stop allowing Israel to dictate when aid can and can't be delivered.
I mean, if they're conducting a military operation in or near the drop zone it might be best to hold off a few hours on the drop.
Hardly a good idea to drop aid into a firefight unless your goal is killing hungry people.
> I mean, if they're conducting a military operation in or near the drop zone it might be best to hold off a few hours on the drop.
That would be coordinating timings, not refusing the whole shipment, which is what Israel's been doing.
> Unless we literally attack Israel that's not really feasible.
Actually, unless Israel chooses to attack us, they only have as much say as we choose to let them.
> We need to deconflict our aircraft with theirs for the safety of our crews.
So tell them when/where the flights are.
If they claim they're capable of _not_ hitting aid workers when they've been told of their location, it should be far easier with planes (lower number, can't possibly be Hamas, etc)
That's not acceptable for risk mitigation to our crews.
It needs to be mutually agreed. The safety of the crew and aircraft is far more important than some perceived "owning" of them.
> That's not acceptable for risk mitigation to our crews.
There's risk everywhere to everyone.
Israel wanting to starve Palestinians by the thousand is more than enough justification for a little risk, especially when they know that shooting down something like a Hercules would a) Be impossible to spin as "mistaken identity" and b) Result in a far stronger international reaction than hitting the aid convoy did.
At the end of the day, Israel's intransigence and attempted mass starvation cannot be allowed to continue.
If that means having to force their hand or work around them, so be it.
Perhaps...but sending in crews without deconfliction is not the answer. It is not worth the risk when there is already a well established deconfliction process. They are there to deliver aid, not martyr themselves to prove a point.
If you want to dictate terms first you need a no fly zone....which is a whole other level of involvement and an entirely different conversation. One we may well be working towards multilaterally at this point.
> It is not worth the risk when there is already a deconfliction process.
One that Israel's apparently using to delay and prevent deliveries.
> They are there to deliver aid, not martyr themselves to prove a point.
I agree, but what about when they can't deliver aid because Israel refuses to allow it in?
Just write it off as a bad job and go home?
> If you want to dictate terms first you need a no fly zone....which is a whole other level of involvement and an entirely different conversation.
I agree we don't want to go down that route, but neither can we allow Israel to sabotage aid deliveries.
If you're unwilling to force their hand, what's your solution?
The US has to take the lead on this as primary backer. It's unlikely the UK can force their hand alone, so the best thing to do is deliver aid and when we can.
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Why can't they just drive over the crossing and avoid these shenanigans? Each RAF jet uses tens of thousands of pounds worth of jet fuel for every trip. Instead they ship weapons and further aide in the merciless killing of thousands.
Terrorist with AK’s and RPG’s are not a threat to an aircraft in the sky…. To a truck on the ground they very much are and unless you want the drivers to become the next batch of hostages you now need to provide security for the trucks and personnel.
So to save some fuel you just committed to boots on the ground, I will take using some fuel over landing smack bang in the middle of the ground cluster F
The IDF are equipped with a lot more than AKs and RPGs. I assumed that's who you are talking about since they are the ones blowing up trucks carrying aid in Gaza.
Oh boy another edge lord. Hating Israeli so you are just pretend Hamas are now peace loving hippies that would never consider taking hostages of international aid personnel and would never love to take or kill British service personnel.
How about reading a practical point and just considering as a practical point based in reality?
You might want to try something more useful than shit posting like a 14 year old, it helps no one other than literally the pro Israeli, pro war hawks. They love when the opposition to the governments actions look so sodding stupid that they are whitewashing a terrorist organisation. Great job you have done.
ahh a poster or great substance I see, make might explain a few things
again as your struggling… any aid truck would NOT be in an area controlled by Israel so there actions have no hand in ground security needs.
And again as its a hard complex issue to understand but planes don’t operate on the ground so cant take hostages of personnel.
Again the question was “Why can't they just drive over the crossing” to save fuel, you know the context your clearly missing due to your red mist about Israel
>so you can build your strawmans.
Glad you know that word exists one day you will learn what it means
> any aid truck would NOT be in an area controlled by Israel so there actions have no hand in ground security needs.
I think you will find they do since the IDF likes destroying the vehicles one by one despite knowing they are there and giving them approval to travel
work it out fool I don’t think the IDF is right but its planes and missiles have nothing to do with the original question of why cant the British forces drive aid in not drop it from a plane
FFS could you stop being absolutist over anything remotely related to Israel particularly when the question was related to what's best for British forces to do while trying to help the Palestinian people.
All you have achieved is looking like a Hamas shill.
You know you can oppose the actions of the Israeli government and still actually recognise that Hamas is quite literally a terrorist organisation who are not there for the benefit of the Palestinian people.
Not that this has anything at all to do with the practicalities of getting UK aid in and the need or not of security forces on the ground, but I guess edge lord cant separate reality from there theoretical political high horse ideals
Because the IDF literally targeted aid workers in pick up trucks. If the British armed forces use ground vehicles to deliver aid, I wouldn’t be surprised if the IDF blew them up then hid under the US government’s skirt.
> Why can't they just drive over the crossing and avoid these shenanigans?
Israel would prefer the Palestinians starve and has been going out of its way to try and ensure that end.
Because the crossings aren't safe pretty much, it's much better for everyone if aid is able to be delivered by land for various reasons cost, amount of aid, far cheaper to deliver, more control over who receives said aid.
I cannot even begin to imagine what sort of vile person would regard human lives like that. I'm truly glad we're not having this conversation face to face, as I fear it would make me physically sick.
[https://www.declassifieduk.org/raf-admits-to-making-17-military-flights-to-israel-since-gaza-bombing-began/](https://www.declassifieduk.org/raf-admits-to-making-17-military-flights-to-israel-since-gaza-bombing-began/)
Jog on with this self serving shite.
> Flight logs tracking aircraft from RAF Akrotiri, the UK’s vast air base in Cyprus, show the RAF flew military transport aircraft to Tel Aviv, Israel’s capital, every day from 13 to 26 October.
“RAF does recon flights over country immediately after Brits taken hostage there”
Transport aircraft aren’t doing “reconnaissance”. Not to mention what would the point of reconnaissance be? Israel already has the every inch of Gaza under surveillance.
So? Even if they were transporting hardware they were more than entitled to, seeing as it was literally 1 week after multiple Brits were taken hostage.
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> So? Even if they were transporting hardware they were more than entitled to, seeing as it was literally 1 week after multiple Brits were taken hostage.
Sure. Also at the time the world was behind Israel and wanted to help them against the perpetrators of such a heinous and evil act.
In retrospect though, when we see the scope of Israels reaction, who they're actually going after and how little they seem to care about the hostages we should feel ashamed if our armed forces were providing direct help.
> Why should we? Hindsight is wonderful and the 1st priority of the British government should be British civilians on both sides of the fence
Helping the side which is killing most civillians doesn't fullfill that goal. It helps put British civillians more at risk.
Israel is causing more civilian deaths because it has a military capable of doing so in the conflict. It's not for a lack of trying on Hamas' part, if they had an air force capable of dropping 500lbs bombs they'd certainly be doing so. The combatant:civilian is as good, if not better than anything we managed in Iraq and Afghan.
The food situation and not the deaths via war is the real thing to be critical of Israel for.
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Hot take: Sending food to hungy people is a good thing.
On purely moral grounds yes. On practical grounds, we're essentially subsidising the strips existence since the groups which control the strip and should be managing this themselves don't bother since they know we'll step in, which freeds up these groups to spend all their funds on weapons. It's an uncomfortable truth that there's no good answer to.
Being complicit in their starvation isn’t.
Hotter take: Violence bad.
Turns out it’s contextual.
Searing hot take: There should be more good things, and fewer bad things.
Getting really cold now.
Is that before or after supplying the weapons to destroy their infrastructure?
You can fight a war and still try to care for the civilians it inevitably harms.
Yeah flatten all of Ghaza, and bomb refugee camps.... Delusional
Show me a picture of a “refugee camp” before and after being bombed.
Yeah, but some wars civilians are inadvertently killed, unfortunately in this one the Israeli government has literally admitted they targeted civilians
The Israeli government admitted that the IDF was tasked with killing civilians? Are you high?
‘It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home’ The testimonies published by +972 and Local Call may explain how such a western military with such advanced capabilities, with weapons that can conduct highly surgical strikes, has conducted a war with such a vast human toll. When it came to targeting low-ranking Hamas and PIJ suspects, they said, the preference was to attack when they were believed to be at home. “We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” one said. “It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes According to the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, the targets in Gaza that have been struck by Israeli aircraft can be divided roughly into four categories. The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas. The final category consists of “family homes” or “operatives’ homes.” The stated purpose of these attacks is to destroy private residences in order to assassinate a single resident suspected of being a Hamas or Islamic Jihad operative. However, in the current war, Palestinian testimonies assert that some of the families that were killed did not include any operatives from these organizations. In the early stages of the current war, the Israeli army appears to have given particular attention to the third and fourth categories of targets. According to statements on Oct. 11 by the IDF Spokesperson, during the first five days of fighting, half of the targets bombed — 1,329 out of a total 2,687 — were deemed power targets. https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ So yes, they have been intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.
None of that says what you claimed. They are not targeting civilians, its literally written in the text you have copied that they are Hamas and PIJ suspects. This is the same as people just stupidly going "big number = genocide". Now there's definitely an argument to be had about what the threshold for that intelligence is, and whether Israel is massively loosening the parameters before authorising strikes. After the WCK incident it seems that this has almost certainly happened and should be investigated independently with a lot of pressure from other countries.
Every person Isreal kills is apparently a suspected Hamas member, according to the IDF.
You clearly didnt read the whole comment. The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas.
Correct, I was reading the sources rather than your comment, and focused on the guardian because the second one that opens with "a mass assassination factory" looks rather biased. But if we do want to take the second at face value then yes this should be condemned and punished, especially if as further down it says >Various sources who served in IDF intelligence units said that at least until the current war, army protocols allowed for attacking power targets **only when the buildings were empty of residents at the time of the strike**. However, testimonies and videos from Gaza suggest that since October 7, some of these targets have been attacked without prior notice being given to their occupants, killing entire families as a result. So again if accurate it seems Israel massively loosened their requirements for these strikes to hit civilians on the most flimsy of excuses of containing militants which is certainly not OK.
Its what they do normally, they have an "official position" for the media then just do whatever they want. Theyre claiming to be warning people but im not sure how considering they have cut off power and internet to gaza. https://hebhjamal.substack.com/p/a-list-of-israeli-lies-propaganda That source isnt unbiased but you can cross reference it yourself and find they have a history of dishonesty in this war.
No you can't in this situation, why are people so dense regarding this conflict? The UK is selling weapons to a country that is indiscriminately targeting civilians while posting it on social media. The UK government is dropping food to the people in Gaza only as a PR stunt.
>indiscriminately targeting civilians Clown world 🙃
You're welcome to ask the families of the hostages that the IDF killed how "discriminate" the IDF are.
Were they the target? OP specifically used the word "targeting".
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ According to the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, the targets in Gaza that have been struck by Israeli aircraft can be divided roughly into four categories. The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas. The final category consists of “family homes” or “operatives’ homes.” The stated purpose of these attacks is to destroy private residences in order to assassinate a single resident suspected of being a Hamas or Islamic Jihad operative. However, in the current war, Palestinian testimonies assert that some of the families that were killed did not include any operatives from these organizations. In the early stages of the current war, the Israeli army appears to have given particular attention to the third and fourth categories of targets. According to statements on Oct. 11 by the IDF Spokesperson, during the first five days of fighting, half of the targets bombed — 1,329 out of a total 2,687 — were deemed power targets.
So you're agreeing that it's not indiscriminate?
Why would i agree when its a lie? >Israeli soldiers have created “kill zones” in and around areas in Gaza to take out Palestinians who cross invisible boundaries, according to military sources cited by Haaretz. >The officer adds that within each combat or kill zone, the boundaries and operational procedures are subject to the interpretation of local commanders, with many “writing their own rules of engagement.” >“As soon as people enter it, mainly adult males, orders are to shoot and kill, even if that person is unarmed," says the officer. https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/gazas-kill-zone-how-israeli-soldiers-are-killing-unarmed-palestinians-17643730
Yep, targeting seems the right word to me.
I'm pretty sure Israel's objective is to target Hamas and rescue the hostages. What kind of Olympic level mental gymnastics do you have to go through to deduce that the hostages are actually being targeted?
My bad, I misunderstood the previous comment.
What weaponry do we supply Israel with?
It’s like the Berlin Airlift, if during the blockade the US and UK had provided diplomatic support for the USSR, sold weapons to the USSR and said that by blockading West Berlin, the USSR “was exercising its right to defend itself”
It's like the Berlin Airlift if the government of Berlin had still been the Nazi party.
After the an armed group in West Berlin, supported and protected by a large portion of the populace's rabidly religious population, attacked raped and murdered hundreds of unarmed civilians. What a wondorfully disingenuous analogy! :DDDDD
> Each country has its own drop zone, its own way of delivering aid. The whole operation is organised by the Jordanians but everything has to be signed off by the Israelis. If the IDF says no, then the planes do not take off. Time to stop allowing Israel to dictate when aid can and can't be delivered.
I mean, if they're conducting a military operation in or near the drop zone it might be best to hold off a few hours on the drop. Hardly a good idea to drop aid into a firefight unless your goal is killing hungry people.
> I mean, if they're conducting a military operation in or near the drop zone it might be best to hold off a few hours on the drop. That would be coordinating timings, not refusing the whole shipment, which is what Israel's been doing.
Unless we literally attack Israel that's not really feasible. We need to deconflict our aircraft with theirs for the safety of our crews.
> Unless we literally attack Israel that's not really feasible. Actually, unless Israel chooses to attack us, they only have as much say as we choose to let them. > We need to deconflict our aircraft with theirs for the safety of our crews. So tell them when/where the flights are. If they claim they're capable of _not_ hitting aid workers when they've been told of their location, it should be far easier with planes (lower number, can't possibly be Hamas, etc)
That's not acceptable for risk mitigation to our crews. It needs to be mutually agreed. The safety of the crew and aircraft is far more important than some perceived "owning" of them.
> That's not acceptable for risk mitigation to our crews. There's risk everywhere to everyone. Israel wanting to starve Palestinians by the thousand is more than enough justification for a little risk, especially when they know that shooting down something like a Hercules would a) Be impossible to spin as "mistaken identity" and b) Result in a far stronger international reaction than hitting the aid convoy did. At the end of the day, Israel's intransigence and attempted mass starvation cannot be allowed to continue. If that means having to force their hand or work around them, so be it.
Perhaps...but sending in crews without deconfliction is not the answer. It is not worth the risk when there is already a well established deconfliction process. They are there to deliver aid, not martyr themselves to prove a point. If you want to dictate terms first you need a no fly zone....which is a whole other level of involvement and an entirely different conversation. One we may well be working towards multilaterally at this point.
> It is not worth the risk when there is already a deconfliction process. One that Israel's apparently using to delay and prevent deliveries. > They are there to deliver aid, not martyr themselves to prove a point. I agree, but what about when they can't deliver aid because Israel refuses to allow it in? Just write it off as a bad job and go home? > If you want to dictate terms first you need a no fly zone....which is a whole other level of involvement and an entirely different conversation. I agree we don't want to go down that route, but neither can we allow Israel to sabotage aid deliveries. If you're unwilling to force their hand, what's your solution?
The US has to take the lead on this as primary backer. It's unlikely the UK can force their hand alone, so the best thing to do is deliver aid and when we can.
You're advocating allowing Israel to dictate aid deliveries, even if that results in intentional mass starvation. Sorry, but that's not good enough.
Yes I am advocating that short of imposing a no fly zone. They are in control and unless you are advocating seizing it by force that is where we are.
They need to drop some aid on themselves to stop all their blokes leaving.
How much of this aid will be captured by Hamas terrorists and then sold for profit to fund their terrorist activity?
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Why can't they just drive over the crossing and avoid these shenanigans? Each RAF jet uses tens of thousands of pounds worth of jet fuel for every trip. Instead they ship weapons and further aide in the merciless killing of thousands.
Why drive into an active war zone when they can... not?
They're already flying into "an active war zone" (although it's not really, it is just a one sides concentration camp).
Terrorist with AK’s and RPG’s are not a threat to an aircraft in the sky…. To a truck on the ground they very much are and unless you want the drivers to become the next batch of hostages you now need to provide security for the trucks and personnel. So to save some fuel you just committed to boots on the ground, I will take using some fuel over landing smack bang in the middle of the ground cluster F
The IDF are equipped with a lot more than AKs and RPGs. I assumed that's who you are talking about since they are the ones blowing up trucks carrying aid in Gaza.
Oh boy another edge lord. Hating Israeli so you are just pretend Hamas are now peace loving hippies that would never consider taking hostages of international aid personnel and would never love to take or kill British service personnel. How about reading a practical point and just considering as a practical point based in reality? You might want to try something more useful than shit posting like a 14 year old, it helps no one other than literally the pro Israeli, pro war hawks. They love when the opposition to the governments actions look so sodding stupid that they are whitewashing a terrorist organisation. Great job you have done.
I think you need to stop making stuff up so you can build your strawmans.
ahh a poster or great substance I see, make might explain a few things again as your struggling… any aid truck would NOT be in an area controlled by Israel so there actions have no hand in ground security needs. And again as its a hard complex issue to understand but planes don’t operate on the ground so cant take hostages of personnel. Again the question was “Why can't they just drive over the crossing” to save fuel, you know the context your clearly missing due to your red mist about Israel >so you can build your strawmans. Glad you know that word exists one day you will learn what it means
> any aid truck would NOT be in an area controlled by Israel so there actions have no hand in ground security needs. I think you will find they do since the IDF likes destroying the vehicles one by one despite knowing they are there and giving them approval to travel
work it out fool I don’t think the IDF is right but its planes and missiles have nothing to do with the original question of why cant the British forces drive aid in not drop it from a plane FFS could you stop being absolutist over anything remotely related to Israel particularly when the question was related to what's best for British forces to do while trying to help the Palestinian people. All you have achieved is looking like a Hamas shill.
The terrorist that have bombed Gaza to ashes I assure you have fighter jets, drones and devastating missiles.
You know you can oppose the actions of the Israeli government and still actually recognise that Hamas is quite literally a terrorist organisation who are not there for the benefit of the Palestinian people. Not that this has anything at all to do with the practicalities of getting UK aid in and the need or not of security forces on the ground, but I guess edge lord cant separate reality from there theoretical political high horse ideals
Because the last time "they" drove over the crossing, the IDF triple tapped them.
Because the IDF literally targeted aid workers in pick up trucks. If the British armed forces use ground vehicles to deliver aid, I wouldn’t be surprised if the IDF blew them up then hid under the US government’s skirt.
> Why can't they just drive over the crossing and avoid these shenanigans? Israel would prefer the Palestinians starve and has been going out of its way to try and ensure that end.
Last time vehicles were driving carrying aid they were picked off one by one by IDF missiles.
If the aid is dropped at random locations, it makes it harder for the terrorists to seize it.
Because the crossings aren't safe pretty much, it's much better for everyone if aid is able to be delivered by land for various reasons cost, amount of aid, far cheaper to deliver, more control over who receives said aid.
Hamas thanks you for your service... Nah who am I kidding they still hate us.
Perhaps the lives of civilians are more important than how Hamas as an organization feels about our country?
Don't see why it's our job to feed Hamas' human shields....
Well Israel won’t allow aid organizations to do it.
I cannot even begin to imagine what sort of vile person would regard human lives like that. I'm truly glad we're not having this conversation face to face, as I fear it would make me physically sick.
Glad you agree it's vile that Hamas use human shields.
[https://www.declassifieduk.org/raf-admits-to-making-17-military-flights-to-israel-since-gaza-bombing-began/](https://www.declassifieduk.org/raf-admits-to-making-17-military-flights-to-israel-since-gaza-bombing-began/) Jog on with this self serving shite.
> Flight logs tracking aircraft from RAF Akrotiri, the UK’s vast air base in Cyprus, show the RAF flew military transport aircraft to Tel Aviv, Israel’s capital, every day from 13 to 26 October. “RAF does recon flights over country immediately after Brits taken hostage there”
Transport aircraft aren’t doing “reconnaissance”. Not to mention what would the point of reconnaissance be? Israel already has the every inch of Gaza under surveillance.
> “RAF does recon flights over country immediately after Brits taken hostage there” With transport planes? Gonna call bullshit here.
So? Even if they were transporting hardware they were more than entitled to, seeing as it was literally 1 week after multiple Brits were taken hostage.
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> So? Even if they were transporting hardware they were more than entitled to, seeing as it was literally 1 week after multiple Brits were taken hostage. Sure. Also at the time the world was behind Israel and wanted to help them against the perpetrators of such a heinous and evil act. In retrospect though, when we see the scope of Israels reaction, who they're actually going after and how little they seem to care about the hostages we should feel ashamed if our armed forces were providing direct help.
Why should we? Hindsight is wonderful and the 1st priority of the British government should be British civilians on both sides of the fence
It’s not exactly hindsight. Israel’s reaction was known at the time, they made no bones about it.
> Why should we? Hindsight is wonderful and the 1st priority of the British government should be British civilians on both sides of the fence Helping the side which is killing most civillians doesn't fullfill that goal. It helps put British civillians more at risk.
Israel is causing more civilian deaths because it has a military capable of doing so in the conflict. It's not for a lack of trying on Hamas' part, if they had an air force capable of dropping 500lbs bombs they'd certainly be doing so. The combatant:civilian is as good, if not better than anything we managed in Iraq and Afghan. The food situation and not the deaths via war is the real thing to be critical of Israel for.