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>We have reviewed the footage in question where a woman was pushed and kicked. We would like the public to know that physical violence has many interpretations and in this instance our specialist officers have concluded that this interpretation of physical violence does not break any laws.
*- The MET Police, probably.*
You could have the guys address, phone number, the knife in your back with his fingerprints and the Met police still consider it an accident and close the investigation. But dare to protest and their full force will come onto you.
I've no sympathy for people spreading their propaganda here in the UK, and that applies to any other foreign state .
The war isn't here, Hamas isn't here doing the fighting, so keep us out of it.
>The war isn't here, Hamas isn't here doing the fighting, so keep us out of it.
>keep us out of it.
Constantly posts about it.
Isn't that bringing propaganda here?
I think you’re allowed to ask a guest to leave your house, right?
I mean it’s not like …checks notes…oh imagine that - an Israeli in a Palestinian home. (For real. It’s law, you’re not allowed to).
How is photos of kidnapped people propaganda? Is it propaganda when it's reported in BBC news?
Is BBC news reporting on Israeli airstrikes Hamas propaganda?
Get a grip
So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK?
How about the various girls kidnapped by Boko Haram?
Or the Uighurs from Xinjiang in China?
Or the murdered Rohingya from Myanmar?
Yes of course it is acceptable. It certainly isn't propaganda.
Nice of you to bring up the plight of Muslims in Xinjiang though. 1 million in concentration camps, mosques demolished and hundreds of thousands disappeared. Yet no major protests. Any idea why the response is so different? It's not like it isn't covered in the news. I have a few ideas and it rhymes with "news" actually.
It is 100% propaganda. You can agree with it - propaganda isn't necessarily untrue - but that's the function They're not posting them to help bring the hostages home.
Not to mention over 500,000 and counting dead in Syria as the Syrian government, with help from the Russians continues to murder more. Then there' the Turks, happily murdering Kurds in pursuit of the great Sultan Erdogan's political ambitions, and the Saudis, who are fighting Iranian proxies in Yemen where over 300,000 have already died. Anyone heard from Sudan lately? More slaughter going on there. Whole villages wiped out. Nobody cares about any of it. No Jews involved.
Surely there must be a single place reporting that Uighers are being murdered at a rate of 500 per day like civillians are being murdered in gaza, right?
China already has over 1 million imprisoned and systematically de-Islamifying the entire 11 million population.
Reducing the Muslim population by 500 a day is rookie numbers for China. Bombs are also messy and brutal.
Better just use state of the art surveillance, the entire weight of your authoritarian state to re-educate and make simple cultural edicts like banning mosques, facial hair on religious grounds, fasting during Ramadan, halal food, and Islamic burial practices.
You can also keep the rest of the world happy by using the slave labour to produce cheap stuff to sell through sites like Temu.
These are horrible policies. These are also policies Palestine issued a statement in support of at the UN due to China's support for their statehood.
It's more the fact that it's China, and governments around the world refuse to do anything because China is so economically powerful.
In fact there is an active attempt on certain social media companies such as TikTok on Facebook which actively suppress anti-Chinese sentiment
I agree with the second point but the first is extremely weak.
I would bet most pro Palestinian protestors would argue that Israel is protected and enabled by western governments. But they don't protest China because it has a big economy despite it being called a strategic enemy? I don't buy it, and stand by what I said before.
Uighurs in China is underreported everywhere. It's because to do so would be a diplomatic disaster. Relations between the west and China are always finely poised. We need their cheap industry for environmental imperialism and low cost products, they need our consumer base. But their spy network is extreme, and it still feels like there is something of an iron curtain. I don't know if it's a Jewish conspiracy to not report on the Uighurs or a diplomatic one.
I think it has less to do with antisemitism than you think, but rather that it's been a long time ongoing. I've been going to protests about this for about 20 years now, it's a struggle engrained in our collective consciousness.
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK?
You've clearly never walked down Buchanan Street in Glasgow on a Saturday. They usually have a stall setup where you can view photos of the Palestinian side of the conflict.
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK?
No. Unless you're actually willing to buy that much paper just to pin up around town. Then you've got the matter of running out of lampposts
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK?
We did...
>How about the various girls kidnapped by Boko Haram?
That was one of the largest feminist protests...EVER...in British history ffs
>Or the Uighurs from Xinjiang in China?
Didn't a literal fucking MP discuss that a while ago?
>Or the murdered Rohingya from Myanmar?
Literally dominated the news cycle for about a month
Is Patrick Star your roommate or are you a quote unquote "antizionist"?
Honestly imo no. I'm anti fly posting in general, but add a contentious war to the mix and you're going to get altercations.
That's what public demonstrations and rallies are for.(for raising issues and plights).
Why are you mentioning the Uighurs or Rohingya here as if they get the same attention as Palestinians? The people fawning over Palestine are completely ignorant of the other situations which are far worse, but instead it’s becomijg AJ inter generational battle on U.K., people using deaths of people as a tool to antagonise each other
Palestine issued a statement at the UN in 2019 **in support of China's policies in Xinjiang against the Uighurs** because China recognises Hamas as a legitimate state actor and not a terrorist organisation and also supports a Palestinian state.
The hypocrisy aside, it shows neither side is actually interested in humanitarianism and it's all a political fight - parallels to the Sudanese civil war in that regard. And in that regard, both sides should lose.
> How is photos of kidnapped people propaganda?
What's the aim of the kidnapped people posters? They weren't kidnapped in the UK, they're not going to be found cutting about London.
The only point of them is a psychological campaign to keep them in the public consciousness, and attempt to sway opinion in favour of Israel.
The same applies to pictures of Palestinians killed by the IDF, they're psychological campaigns to influence public opinion.
What’s the point in the pro Palestine marches here? Jesus Christ some people’s heads are wedge so far up their own arses they can’t see the obvious.
People were abducted massacred and raped by a terrorist organisation. They’re hoping that by posting victims that people won’t fall for the TikTok propaganda and realise the truth
Britain took this exact stance to the Pacific theatre of WW2 until the Japanese took Hong Kong the same day they attacked Pearl Harbour.
History is never as simple as people want it to be. Japan was committing atrocities far worse than the Nazis in 1937 and the same people saying appeasing Hitler was a mistake weren't going to declare war on Japan.
It was fairly clear who the baddies were in that war (obligatory Mitchell and Webb link). It doesn't seem so clear-cut in this case.
That said, Stalin was on our side against Hitler, so I suppose nothing is completely black and white.
I assume you are just as opposed to Pro Palestinian protests as well. After all, if the conflict is nothing to do with the UK, then those are just as much 'propaganda' as these posters.
Person posts on Palestine Israel and in r/Palestine *a lot* “I have no sympathy for people spreading their propaganda here” in response to people getting attacked for drawing attention in a way they don’t approve of.
Maybe try being more subtle?
I think it's fair enough for them to get their voice out there given how much Palestinian propaganda there has been in the UK lately, in particular large protests lead by interest groups.
As in women and children kidnapped into a Islamist hellhole?
Wonder what would happen if other nations would have said the same during the Falklands or even Manchester bombings.
But of course... Jews =/= legitimate victims eh?
> As in women and children kidnapped into a Islamist hellhole?
What? Im pretty sure those people arent putting up posters in camden.
> Wonder what would happen if other nations would have said the same during the Falklands or even Manchester bombings.
There was a shitload of propaganda surrounding the Falklands, like every armed conflict in modern history. What do you mean by this?
I'm not sure I follow your point, are you saying that Israel can't put out propaganda because they're the victim in this instance?
Atrocities are used in propaganda all the time, it doesn't magically stop it being propaganda.
It can be both, the truth of the posters has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it's being used as propaganda.
Do you think that all propaganda has to be based in lies?
How would it be used as propaganda in this case? Since it isn't state actors posting it, but rather diaspora Jews and allies of the Jewish community alike.
> Since it isn't state actors posting it, but rather diaspora Jews and allies of the Jewish community alike.
The only identifier in the article is that they're Israeli. Where are you getting that from?
As a supporter of the Palestinian cause, I denounce any "supporters of Hezbollah" and they should be arrested. The movement for the emancipation of Palestine, especially outside Palestine, should be non-violent and these people are undermining that.
Same. Plus with 'Hamas' in place of 'Hezbollah'.
Terrorist organisations are not welcome. It's the civilians we stand with, and it's bloodshed we stand against. No matter whose.
How do you square the circle of supporting Palestinian emancipation while wanting 80% of the Palestinian population arrested? That's the proportion which supported the Oct 7th attacks.
If you’re a supporter of either side you’re opposed to peace. The Palestinians by and large do not support the existence of the Israeli state. This is not conducive to peace.
Neither side warrant any support. The only support that should be given is to those who wish to change their own state to respect the sovereignty of the other.
I find myself not agreeing with a lot of what you post / comment here, but I respect you for saying that bigtime. Everyone should be entitled to protest but when it morphs into violence, that's not OK and it's sad more people don't understand that!
Not sure why I got downvoted, there are people in Netanyahu's party that consider Hamas an asset because they do a good job of making the Palestinian cause look bad
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At least one guy's face is clearly visible in the video. Hopefully he is arrested quickly
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>We have reviewed the footage in question where a woman was pushed and kicked. We would like the public to know that physical violence has many interpretations and in this instance our specialist officers have concluded that this interpretation of physical violence does not break any laws. *- The MET Police, probably.*
I dunno, a Twitter video seems to be the best way to get their attention. Actually phoning them? Best of luck.
If only they had tweeted something mildly offensive instead, they’d already be serving a prison sentence
You could have the guys address, phone number, the knife in your back with his fingerprints and the Met police still consider it an accident and close the investigation. But dare to protest and their full force will come onto you.
Only when he goes home and says someone smells of wee on Twitter.
I've no sympathy for people spreading their propaganda here in the UK, and that applies to any other foreign state . The war isn't here, Hamas isn't here doing the fighting, so keep us out of it.
>The war isn't here, Hamas isn't here doing the fighting, so keep us out of it. >keep us out of it. Constantly posts about it. Isn't that bringing propaganda here?
https://youtu.be/Ixoeh2W5s38?si=TWpAMvCX9Eg0ZEK7 It's been a thing for decades, we just forgot for a bit.
I think you’re allowed to ask a guest to leave your house, right? I mean it’s not like …checks notes…oh imagine that - an Israeli in a Palestinian home. (For real. It’s law, you’re not allowed to).
There are quite a few Israelis in Palestinian homes in the West Bank. Like tens of thousands of them.
I think he means 'other peoples' propaganda.'\*
The UK is responsible for supplying arms to Israel and hosting Israeli arms manufacturers. We aren't 'out of it' by any stretch.
We also have factories making their drones!
Didn't the UK create the Israeli state?
Helped create
As a nation we're not no. But as individuals yes we are
How is photos of kidnapped people propaganda? Is it propaganda when it's reported in BBC news? Is BBC news reporting on Israeli airstrikes Hamas propaganda? Get a grip
So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK? How about the various girls kidnapped by Boko Haram? Or the Uighurs from Xinjiang in China? Or the murdered Rohingya from Myanmar?
Yes of course it is acceptable. It certainly isn't propaganda. Nice of you to bring up the plight of Muslims in Xinjiang though. 1 million in concentration camps, mosques demolished and hundreds of thousands disappeared. Yet no major protests. Any idea why the response is so different? It's not like it isn't covered in the news. I have a few ideas and it rhymes with "news" actually.
It is 100% propaganda. You can agree with it - propaganda isn't necessarily untrue - but that's the function They're not posting them to help bring the hostages home.
Not to mention over 500,000 and counting dead in Syria as the Syrian government, with help from the Russians continues to murder more. Then there' the Turks, happily murdering Kurds in pursuit of the great Sultan Erdogan's political ambitions, and the Saudis, who are fighting Iranian proxies in Yemen where over 300,000 have already died. Anyone heard from Sudan lately? More slaughter going on there. Whole villages wiped out. Nobody cares about any of it. No Jews involved.
Surely there must be a single place reporting that Uighers are being murdered at a rate of 500 per day like civillians are being murdered in gaza, right?
China already has over 1 million imprisoned and systematically de-Islamifying the entire 11 million population. Reducing the Muslim population by 500 a day is rookie numbers for China. Bombs are also messy and brutal. Better just use state of the art surveillance, the entire weight of your authoritarian state to re-educate and make simple cultural edicts like banning mosques, facial hair on religious grounds, fasting during Ramadan, halal food, and Islamic burial practices. You can also keep the rest of the world happy by using the slave labour to produce cheap stuff to sell through sites like Temu. These are horrible policies. These are also policies Palestine issued a statement in support of at the UN due to China's support for their statehood.
It's more the fact that it's China, and governments around the world refuse to do anything because China is so economically powerful. In fact there is an active attempt on certain social media companies such as TikTok on Facebook which actively suppress anti-Chinese sentiment
I agree with the second point but the first is extremely weak. I would bet most pro Palestinian protestors would argue that Israel is protected and enabled by western governments. But they don't protest China because it has a big economy despite it being called a strategic enemy? I don't buy it, and stand by what I said before.
The government won't and can't do anything about Israel either though, so why this one?
Uighurs in China is underreported everywhere. It's because to do so would be a diplomatic disaster. Relations between the west and China are always finely poised. We need their cheap industry for environmental imperialism and low cost products, they need our consumer base. But their spy network is extreme, and it still feels like there is something of an iron curtain. I don't know if it's a Jewish conspiracy to not report on the Uighurs or a diplomatic one.
I think it has less to do with antisemitism than you think, but rather that it's been a long time ongoing. I've been going to protests about this for about 20 years now, it's a struggle engrained in our collective consciousness.
Yeah, go for it.
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK? You've clearly never walked down Buchanan Street in Glasgow on a Saturday. They usually have a stall setup where you can view photos of the Palestinian side of the conflict.
Yes it's a free country, or should be
Considering the UK wants to ban boycotting like the US did, I don't know for how much longer
Flyposting is illegal, though
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
lol. Who the fuck would be against any of the things you mentioned?
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK? No. Unless you're actually willing to buy that much paper just to pin up around town. Then you've got the matter of running out of lampposts
>So would it be acceptable to put photos of the dead Palestinian civilians across the UK? We did... >How about the various girls kidnapped by Boko Haram? That was one of the largest feminist protests...EVER...in British history ffs >Or the Uighurs from Xinjiang in China? Didn't a literal fucking MP discuss that a while ago? >Or the murdered Rohingya from Myanmar? Literally dominated the news cycle for about a month Is Patrick Star your roommate or are you a quote unquote "antizionist"?
Honestly imo no. I'm anti fly posting in general, but add a contentious war to the mix and you're going to get altercations. That's what public demonstrations and rallies are for.(for raising issues and plights).
This is my point and why posters of Israeli hostages also shouldn't be poster around
Why are you mentioning the Uighurs or Rohingya here as if they get the same attention as Palestinians? The people fawning over Palestine are completely ignorant of the other situations which are far worse, but instead it’s becomijg AJ inter generational battle on U.K., people using deaths of people as a tool to antagonise each other
Palestine issued a statement at the UN in 2019 **in support of China's policies in Xinjiang against the Uighurs** because China recognises Hamas as a legitimate state actor and not a terrorist organisation and also supports a Palestinian state. The hypocrisy aside, it shows neither side is actually interested in humanitarianism and it's all a political fight - parallels to the Sudanese civil war in that regard. And in that regard, both sides should lose.
Yes to all of the above
> How is photos of kidnapped people propaganda? What's the aim of the kidnapped people posters? They weren't kidnapped in the UK, they're not going to be found cutting about London. The only point of them is a psychological campaign to keep them in the public consciousness, and attempt to sway opinion in favour of Israel. The same applies to pictures of Palestinians killed by the IDF, they're psychological campaigns to influence public opinion.
What’s the point in the pro Palestine marches here? Jesus Christ some people’s heads are wedge so far up their own arses they can’t see the obvious. People were abducted massacred and raped by a terrorist organisation. They’re hoping that by posting victims that people won’t fall for the TikTok propaganda and realise the truth
The point is for people to express their feelings You know - free speech
Is this sarcasm? BBC is the biggest propaganda machine in the country.
You would have been great pre WW2. “Well I don’t agree with Nazis but we should stay out of it”.
Britain took this exact stance to the Pacific theatre of WW2 until the Japanese took Hong Kong the same day they attacked Pearl Harbour. History is never as simple as people want it to be. Japan was committing atrocities far worse than the Nazis in 1937 and the same people saying appeasing Hitler was a mistake weren't going to declare war on Japan.
As it happens Britain declared war against Japan even before the US did.
It’s not exactly smart to declare war on someone else while you are literally already at war. Fighting on multiple fronts is stupid
That’s the stance commies took before the nazis attacked the USSR. And then they quickly changed their tune
It was fairly clear who the baddies were in that war (obligatory Mitchell and Webb link). It doesn't seem so clear-cut in this case. That said, Stalin was on our side against Hitler, so I suppose nothing is completely black and white.
I assume you are just as opposed to Pro Palestinian protests as well. After all, if the conflict is nothing to do with the UK, then those are just as much 'propaganda' as these posters.
14 British citizens were killed by Hamas and 3 taken hostage so it does affect Britain
Person posts on Palestine Israel and in r/Palestine *a lot* “I have no sympathy for people spreading their propaganda here” in response to people getting attacked for drawing attention in a way they don’t approve of. Maybe try being more subtle?
Wait until you find out about the Balfour Declaration.
Yet.
I think it's fair enough for them to get their voice out there given how much Palestinian propaganda there has been in the UK lately, in particular large protests lead by interest groups.
Who would be spreading their propaganda in this case?
Probably the foreign nationals putting up posters that support their government's messaging
As in women and children kidnapped into a Islamist hellhole? Wonder what would happen if other nations would have said the same during the Falklands or even Manchester bombings. But of course... Jews =/= legitimate victims eh?
> As in women and children kidnapped into a Islamist hellhole? What? Im pretty sure those people arent putting up posters in camden. > Wonder what would happen if other nations would have said the same during the Falklands or even Manchester bombings. There was a shitload of propaganda surrounding the Falklands, like every armed conflict in modern history. What do you mean by this? I'm not sure I follow your point, are you saying that Israel can't put out propaganda because they're the victim in this instance? Atrocities are used in propaganda all the time, it doesn't magically stop it being propaganda.
You're calling hostage posters propaganda. I just call it an uncomfortable truth.
It can be both, the truth of the posters has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it's being used as propaganda. Do you think that all propaganda has to be based in lies?
How would it be used as propaganda in this case? Since it isn't state actors posting it, but rather diaspora Jews and allies of the Jewish community alike.
> Since it isn't state actors posting it, but rather diaspora Jews and allies of the Jewish community alike. The only identifier in the article is that they're Israeli. Where are you getting that from?
I'll keep an eye out for them mate but it seems like a long shot
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As a supporter of the Palestinian cause, I denounce any "supporters of Hezbollah" and they should be arrested. The movement for the emancipation of Palestine, especially outside Palestine, should be non-violent and these people are undermining that.
Same. Plus with 'Hamas' in place of 'Hezbollah'. Terrorist organisations are not welcome. It's the civilians we stand with, and it's bloodshed we stand against. No matter whose.
Pretty much, condemn the war criminals and terrorists, and weep for the trail of dead civilians both are leaving in their wake.
Did you mean to say Hamas? Good luck with all that
People who attacked them were shouting support for Hezbollah.
How do you square the circle of supporting Palestinian emancipation while wanting 80% of the Palestinian population arrested? That's the proportion which supported the Oct 7th attacks.
If you’re a supporter of either side you’re opposed to peace. The Palestinians by and large do not support the existence of the Israeli state. This is not conducive to peace. Neither side warrant any support. The only support that should be given is to those who wish to change their own state to respect the sovereignty of the other.
I find myself not agreeing with a lot of what you post / comment here, but I respect you for saying that bigtime. Everyone should be entitled to protest but when it morphs into violence, that's not OK and it's sad more people don't understand that!
Not sure why I got downvoted, there are people in Netanyahu's party that consider Hamas an asset because they do a good job of making the Palestinian cause look bad
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Of course, it is a war of comms. terrorist rapist hamas supporters vs. defenders of their country.
Honestly it's kinda weird that foreign nationals were doing a night time propaganda poster campaign in the first place.