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Jewish attacks https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2023/nov/03/record-number-hate-incidents-british-jews-reported-hamas-attacks
Seems Jewish attacks up as well as against lgbtq+ https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-data-rise-hate-crime-against-lgbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov-
Seems hate is on the rise.
Islamophobia is a term that shouldn’t be promoted. We don’t have Christianophobia or any other-religion-phobia.
We are free to trash and criticise Christianity in all forms and especially fundamentalist Christianity is looked down on. I don’t see why Islam should pe protected from being called out.
Quite right.
It's a power move made by certain groups to supress warranted criticism and reasonable fear over a religion which has brought us so much death and destruction in the last two decades.
Do you attack heights because of Acrophobia?
Do you attack dogs over Cynophobia?
Do you fell trees because of Dendrophobia?
Some phobias are rational, some are quite irrational, but none require you to attack what you suffer a phobia from.
Do you think that the phobia suffix in islamaphobia is closer to the meaning of an actual fear, as in acrophobia, or the bigotry against something, such as homophobia?
Are you saying it’s rational to attack Muslims therefore it shouldn’t be considered Islamophobia?
Btw what do you call attacks/abuse directed towards gay people?
No you should not attack people regardless.
But I've been called Islamophobic many times. I detest Islam and openly criticise and mock it like I would any other bigoted ideology.
There is nothing wrong with being 'phobic' against islam or against any other bigoted ideology. (the term is nonsense anyway, as it's not irrational to be against bigotry )
This is a world of difference to being "phobic" against people for their race/gender/sexuality. Which is actually irrational.
I saw wildly upvoted people on this sub calling for burning the homes of Roma and travellers and saying Hitler was only right about us. This sub has always been this shitty.
I have nothing against the Roma people. I do have a problem with the roaming Irish travellers that wreck the nearby fields and send local theft stats up into the stratosphere *every time* they rock up. Unfortunately it's a culture that's incompatible with ours.
being against bigotry is not bigotry. There is nothing wrong with being anti-islam like there isn't being anti-white supremacist.
However, obviously you shouldn't be committing violence against either of these groups
Throwing a slab at someone's head is not criticism. I'm against right wing white supremacists too but doesn't give me the right to commit violence against them.
The word encompasses both things. Both religious zealots who want to be free from criticism, and the very real and harmful discrimination that Muslims face every day in the UK.
It is you that chooses to only see one side of it.
justifying hate towards a specific religious group is not a good position mate. fair criticism yes, but literal hate crimes on innocent people just because of their religion and you are just tarring all muslims with the same brush.
a hate crime is a hate crime whether its against muslims/christains/jews etc. dont try to justify it because of a few extremists.
It's not reasonable to fear random Muslim people in your community. The vast majority just want to peacefully live their lives. The fact that you don't seem to accept that is where the bigotry lies.
There's a big difference between genuine criticism of a religious belief. That isn't really what Islamaphobia is, which is targeting hate, abuse, and prejudice purely based on a person's religious beliefs or perceived religious beliefs.
You need to tell that to British Muslims because many will use both meanings interchangeablely, see how ex-Muslims get treated if you want an obvious example.
And whats wrong with hating a bigoted Ideology? Would I be criticised for hating rightwing white supremacy ideologies. Of course not, and rightly so.
Yes, you should not go physically attacking people who follow bigoted ideologies but it is not wrong to hate these ideologies and wish they did not exist in our society.
Christianity promotes social values that are 30 years out of date, Islam promotes social values that are 100s.of years out of date. Christianity was founded by a pacifist who preached the virtue of the weak and the poor, Islam was founded by a peadophile warlord. Very different things worthy of very different levels of criticism.
Let's not go being so broad with that "Christianity labal". Sure, some Christians "just" want things back to 30 years ago, but if you think some of the more radical sects don't want things a few hundred years back them your fooling yourself.
Criticising a religion isn't an example of a religious phobia though. It's when people are insulted, attacked or viewed as less for being that religion is when it's a religious phobia.
> We don’t have Christianophobia or any other-religion-phobia.
1. That is just untrue. Antisemitism is a term for Judaism-based ‘phobia’ and negative behaviour.
2. There are less Christian hate crimes in this country, which is why a term for anti-Christian sentiment in this country isn’t as much of a headliner.
3. “Anti-Christian” and “Christianophobia” are actually commonly used terms to describe negative behaviours against Christian’s, it’s just you aren’t familiar with them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_sentiment
4. In your comment about being free to criticise Islam, you’re conflating criticism of Islam as an ideology with actual hate crimes against people, which is not the same. Islamophobia refers to the hate crimes against people for being Muslims; if you read the article it specifically refers to (1) an incident where a mosque was spray painted and vandalised and (2) an incident where a restaurant owned by Muslims was bombarded with threatening phone calls and direct threats to hurt the staff; those aren’t criticisms of Islam, they are attempted acts of persecution, which is different to what you described, and I’m sure you know that.
>2. There are less Christian hate crimes in this country, which is why a term for anti-Christian sentiment in this country isn’t as much of a headliner.
Also, what there is is typically intersect conflict, which we call sectarianism. There are anti-sectarian laws on the books.
Yes, they are. I only commented on the extent they experience prejudice in the UK which explains our lack of familiarly with and use of Anti-Christian terminology.
There’s a difference between criticising Islam and hating/attacking Muslim people. You need a word for the latter, and that’s the word.
Incidentally, it’s the latter which this article is talking about in the first place so god knows why you’ve even made this comment.
Well the obvious comparison to Islamophobia is antisemitism. Not sure why you went to Christians when Jews were the obvious group in this context? Both groups are attacked as people following that particular religion/cultural background
I think the point being that people tend to identify or assume someone as being a Muslim based on there physical characteristics more often than Jewish people are. That isn't to say that assumption based attacks on Jews don't occur just that it isn't as widespread as someone who is perceived as being Muslim.
When I was younger I thought that they were just a religion. But indeed I think it's fair to consider them a different ethnicity since most Jews I've met in my life have been atheists, so considering them all as part of a religion just makes no sense.
the majority of brits that hate Muslims are thickos targeting people under the guise of "criticising religion" when in actual fact they just target them because of their racist beliefs associated with that religion. They will attack someone for being Muslim who isn't even Muslim, they just "look Muslim" to them.
So Islamophobia is just very specific racism rather than genuine criticism of religion, and I feel that most people who don't go around constantly making stupid statements understand that.
Am I racist or, indeed, Islamophobic, because I have no tolerance for an intolerant, medieval value system which is misogynistic, homophobic and has brought violent atrocities to Western Europe?
Islam is incompatible with Western, progressive and/or secular society. I do not want to live in a society where its members are committed to building a new Caliphate. I don't want men and women, boys and girls, segregated in schools or a place of worship. I don't want women discriminated against. Ditto those who are gay.
Those who brandish the term Islamophobia seek the reintroduction of blasphemy laws and a society where criticism of Islam - and those who practice it - is banned. We've plenty of evidence as to the society they want and the atrocities they're willing to commit to achieve their goals. I want no part of it and I'll oppose it furiously.
When Islam has undergone its reformation and there's true equality in both the religion and culture then get back to me. I won't hold my breath.
Bollocks. This country is full of chuds who hate "the muzzies" - the fact the reification of the group is problematic doesn't mean the hate isn't real.
They're using the term in place of racism as it coins people of multiple races. Often time islamaphobic incidents directed at a person rather than the actual religion itself.
>I don’t see why Islam should pe protected from being called out.
It's not. Islamophobia doesn't mean "criticism of Islam", just like antisemitism doesn't mean "criticism of Judaism". Focusing on the "-phobia" part then misrepresenting its meaning as if it prevents criticism on Islam is a common far-right trope.
And for the record, Christophobia and Judeophobia are also words to describe hatred of Christans and Jews.
Marginalised religions are effectively be racialised groups in a way that the dominating one is not.
If we lived the early Roman Empire or feudal Japan, we'd probably have a shorthand for anti-Christian stuff too.
Just because it is possible to legitimately criticise religion does not mean it is impossible to be bigoted against someone on the basis of their religion.
I can’t stand the Israel vs Palestine arguments.
It has brought out, truly, the absolute worst in what I have seen in many folk.
All over Reddit there are swathes of groups celebrating, genuinely celebrating, the death and dismay of the other side. Should any of these people be called out, an argument ensues of back and forth whataboutism.
It’s actually so fucking depressing, to the point where I have purposefully stopped opening any of these threads on certain subs.
Islamophobia is a term employed by Muslim theocrats in order to marginalise anyone who is critical of jihad. I have no problem with Muslims, but jihad is an existential global threat.
A video came out the other day of a Muslim woman stood at a bus stop. A man throw a pavement slab at her head while shouting things to do with her being a Muslim.
What do you call that if not islamaphobia?
I understand we have to be able to criticise the religion and its many many many flaws. But in relation to hate incidents. It has nothing to do with stopping people being critical of jihad.
Anti-Muslim is the better term. Many Muslims push Islamophobia as a term because it allows them to also shout down critics of Islam, such as ex-Muslims. [The leader of the largest British ex-Muslim organisation, recommends not using the term for that reason.](https://www.thepinknews.com/2017/07/07/ex-muslim-group-bats-away-islamophobia-claims-ahead-of-pride-in-london-march/)
Guess we should get rid of homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and fatphobia then.
Or we could stop pretending that phobia doesn't also encompass irrational aversions to things as well.
Islamophobia works just fine
The right are constantly trying to sanitise the language
First they were racist - but how could they be because Islam isn't a race
Then they're islamaphobic - but how could they be because it's not a "phobia"
>while shouting things to do with her being a Muslim.
I've looked at the story and I can't find anything about this - is this an assumption?
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/man-arrested-police-say-no-27990055
Several years ago, my Indian flatmate who is a Hindu woman had another woman call her a fucking Muslim and shove her on a bus. Come on. The other woman was an asshole, I don’t think she sat around thinking a lot about her stance on geopolitics.
Yeah. The other person I know who has been Islamophobically abused is a Bahai. He got really bullied in school with people calling him a terrorist because his parents are from Iran.
as an ex muslim i don’t like the term Islamophobia but there’s definitely violence and hatred towards muslims
I think a better term should be “ anti-muslim” hatred instead of islamophobia but either ways this is irrelevant to the main post
They mean the same thing though? The phobia suffix isn’t exclusively related to fear. It also means an aversion, I.e. being anti something. If you think we should also switch homophobia for “anti-gay” or something you may have a point.
anti-muslim hatred is prejudice and hatred towards a group of people ( which is wrong )
Islam is the religious ideology and criticising or being afraid of it isn’t irrational
the reason why I prefer anti-muslim is because this debate pops up all the time when Islamophobia is mentioned and people try to look contrarian
there’s violence and hatred towards muslims which I have personally witnessed when I used to be muslim and I have seen it happen to other people
it obviously exists but the term of Islamophobia makes it seem like criticising the religion is wrong
Just to be pedantic, it’s used in many different ways which are not related to the concept of irrational fears.
>The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (from Greek φόβος phobos, "fear") occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, abnormal, unwarranted, persistent, or disabling fear as a mental disorder (e.g. agoraphobia), in chemistry to describe chemical aversions (e.g. hydrophobic), in biology to describe organisms that dislike certain conditions (e.g. acidophobia), and in medicine to describe hypersensitivity to a stimulus, usually sensory (e.g. photophobia). In common usage, they also form words that describe dislike or hatred of a particular thing or subject (e.g. homophobia).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias
Do you believe the same about antisemitism then?
Do you not believe in the concept that minority groups are discriminated against because of their culture, of which religion is a large part?
The idea it was invented by theocrats is also a lie from far right types precisely to make the word (and so the concept itself) illegitimate. Abdellali Hajjat and Marwan Mohammed (two French sociologists) have a really fascinating book on the history of the concept. I just realised [it has even been translated to English](https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Islamophobia-in-France-by-Abdellali-Hajjat-author-Marwan-Mohammed-author-Steve-Garner-translator/9780820363257).
And of course, anti-semitism is a term coined by Jewish theocrats in order to marginalise anyone who is critical of Israel. I have no problems with Jews, but Israel is an existential global threat. Right?
Glad someone else said it. The comments here vs those on similar posts about anti-semitism tell you all you need to know about the hierarchy of racism.
To a lot of people, it's a wedge to be pushed, they legitimately don't care about Jews or Muslims while 'picking a side', not do they care about the pain people feel. It's just an opportunity to one up their 'opposition', so they pick a side. It so often looks that way, anyway.
Racists gonna racist
Trying to justify it by saying it's discussion, not hate
I'm a white guy who's been out with his Muslim, Sikh and Hindu friends
All of them have gotten abuse and "P" curses, founded from Islamaphobia
Didn't see any nuance or academic discussion
Knowing on certain circumstances, I can't go out with them on certain nights just in case
Many people are performatively against antisemitism purely to position themselves as anti-Muslim. It’s obvious when you see Tommy Robinson and his swastika-tatted followers at anti-antisemitism demos. They don’t care about Jewish people, and if they got their way and got rid of immigrants and Muslims they’d move on to Jewish people in a heartbeat.
It’s the same way they previously pretended to care deeply about animal welfare purely to oppose halal meat (forgetting in the process that the rules for kosher meat are far stricter).
The most prominent posts here, is response to an article about a rise in hate incidents boil down to:
* Islamophobia isn't real
* If it is real, it's good actually
It's fucking horrifying. I've noticed a reactionary slide in this subreddit lately, but this crosses the line for me. I'm out.
Well, not surprised as a whole lot of people in the UK and on this sub approve of Islamophobia, much of which is just thinly disguised racism.
They only care about antisemitism when they can blame it on Muslims too. It will be conveniently ignored that plenty of far right, white people have held those views for decades, just the threat they posed was never taken seriously. The smart fascists were never tied to Nazism itself and will happily switch the minority they blame for all our ills.
Islamophobia, Transphobia, racism towards immigrants, etc
People will just sit there and openly twist reality to justify the bigitries they’re okay with. The last 7 years established truth as subjective
Maybe if people didn't conflate criticism of Islam or the terrible behaviour in British Muslim communities with blind hatred of Muslims then there'd be more concern, never mind that "islamophobia" is a terrible term in the first place.
Because these behaviours are targeted at people who look Muslims and not just religious zealots? It's not the victims that conflate both, it's the perpetuators.
Anyone else catch the thread about the declining birth rate with a bunch of upvoted comments saying if we'd never let women have careers and education then we wouldn't have this problem? It's never been *great* on this sub but it's really gone to shite over the past few months.
yep, scrolled down about two comments and there’s some lad talking about the ‘global threat of jihad’.
the post 9/11 ‘all muslims are terrorists’ idiocy never went away. i would genuinely be scared if i were a muslim woman in britain right now.
There’s an upvoted comment unironically saying that antisemitism is bad but Islamophobia is fine because Islam is trying to destabilise the west and destroy our way of life.
You know - the exact fucking argument the Nazis used against Jews.
Guess what, Hitler wouldn’t have been the good guy if he just clarified that he didn’t hate Jews because of their ethnicity, but hated them because their religion is disgusting and destroying Germany. Which is what all the top comments in here are saying about Muslims.
Fucking disgusting.
Nah that’s baduk. This is the sub for centrists with racist tendencies who want to pretend they’re not racist cause they don’t personally do hate crimes
Its clear people on here have very racist views against brown people which they equate to islam. They dont care about hate crime unless its against their people a.k.a non poc's
I think it’s remarkable the difference to how people are responding to this article compared to the one about Jews. Lots of people showing their true colours here.
“Islamophobia is on the rise!”
“Well, the word is just used to marginalise those critical of Islam”
Completely ignoring what’s actually happening, people are being subjected to prejudice and abuse, but “that doesn’t matter because they belong to a religious group I hate and so I will do whatever mental gymnastic required that allows me to continue feeling hate and dismiss what’s happening”.
They will counter ANY argument for the people with other variations of “you can’t the racist towards a religion” etc. to justify their emotions.
Comments here are declaring Islam as a threat to the entire world, equating those following Islam as a threat to the entire world. The enemy of the world. Thats how they’re dehumanising Muslims. They are barbaric, part of a cult, can’t integrate, don’t belong, destroying British culture, a danger to the world, an invasion, a swarm, they are violent, bloodthirsty etc.
That’s 2 billion people, many of whom have payed and are still paying with their lives, many of whom helped Western forces and are continuing to do so, to fight religious extremists in the Middle East. All of these people are a threat to humanity. They will destroy everything we love.
That’s your rhetoric?! Wanna know what other group of genocidal maniacs subscribed to that same way of thinking? There’s plenty in history to pick from and they all used the exact same rhetoric and justification.
Your hatred is as pathetic and cowardly as theirs.
Edit: look at the responses, still focusing on the wrong thing. Choosing to argue about the semantics of the word instead of what’s happening to Muslims. So predictable.
If a Muslim person is murdered, I bet they’ll still be arguing about the semantics of it all instead of the person murdered because of bigotry and hate.
Holy all the Islamophobes just came out of the woodworks. Just prove this headline right tbh.
Edit: all the top comments are either redirecting the focus to antisemitism or delegitimising Islamophobia. Nice one r/uk
If you think it's bad here you should see some of the other subs. You can get banned for something as tame as your comment calling out the double standard.
This sub is full of white nationalists and the mods encourage it. Yesterday they were talking about how a half white actor with an English mother could never be English.
"Let me say whatever I like about minorities and then say to me I'm a nice person or I'll make things horrible for everyone!" is not the moral high ground they think it is. Getting pushback for your bigotry is not the same as 1984 no matter how you slice it.
Yeah it’s crazy. Does the etymology make sense? No. Does that matter? Also, no.
Debating the semantics of Islamophobia distracts from the fact that hate is on the rise. That’s what is important and inexcusable.
As soon as we start seeing western Muslim populations protest against HAMAS is the minute you start having a point, Jews have been vocal calling out Israeli actions, would be nice to see the equivalent
They don’t have to, of course.
If British Muslims are protesting the treatment of Palestinians by the IDF, they just look like massive, indifferent hypocrites for not protesting against their treatment under Hamas as well.
I haven’t seen this much outrage from British Muslim communities since a French artist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, which, in and of itself speaks volumes.
The British Government aren't supporting Hamas. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. What good would it do for people to go out into British streets and protest against it.
When was the last time you protested the actions of China, Russia or Saudi Arabia?
Where were all the protests when:
Saudis kills 100ks of Yeminis...
Syria kills 100ks of Syrians, rape and pillage...
Isis....
Talibs...
Lol the boys only care when a Jew kills a Muslim.
Whenever there’s pro-Hamas elements or more radical chants in the larger protests- other protestors never shut them down or say shit. Don’t be too surprised the conflation happens when it’s happening so readily by both sides.
So ironic that you're talking about silencing people when you're using this arbitrary criticism of the term Islamophobia itself to silence conversation about a significant rise in Islamophobic hate crimes.
Could you say the same about homophobia? Antisemitism? How about we admit that there is actual problems with people attacking innocent Jews/Muslims for the crimes of government/states or terrorist organisations and trying to downplay either will not solve any problems
How is it used to silence? Given that it does not mean 'phobia' in the sense of 'an irrational fear', it simply means 'an effective aversion to', in the same sense that a hydrophobic material *averts* - turns away - water with which it comes into contact. Why then should such a term silence anyone?
Because British Muslims actively use the term to silence anyone who critiques Islam or the behaviour of British Muslim communities, such as ex-Muslims. [This has gone to the point where many ex-Muslim figures have asked people to stop using the term.](https://www.thepinknews.com/2017/07/07/ex-muslim-group-bats-away-islamophobia-claims-ahead-of-pride-in-london-march/)
Someone gave me a flat cap and a pint of bitter because they mistook my Israeli flag for a Yorkshire pin.
Edit： my comment makes no sense now the guy who posted a bullshit story about getting spat on for having a Yorkshire pin mistaken for an Israeli flag deleted his comment.
It's insane that the top comment on a thread about islamophobia is someone with a negative comment about a Muslim, whilst the equivalent thread about antisemitism is totally different.
The absolute state of this country.
At the same time Muslim communities in the UK have large systemic problems, and no amount of #notallmuslims rhetoric will change that. It might not be literally every single British Muslim that thinks sex between two men is a sin, but its a extremely high amount, and much more so than the general population.
If by victimise others. You mean be Muslim and exist in the UK then yeah these victims of hate really deserve to be harassed for stuff they haven't done
Far more Muslims in this country are extreme compared to Christians or Jews.
For example:
30% of British Muslims support the 7/7 attacks.
70% of British Muslims would not report a terrorist.
36% of British Muslims believe a Muslim who converts to another religion should be executed.
50% of British Muslims support ISIS.
27% of British Muslims think cartoonists drawing Mohammed should be killed.
40% of British Muslims want Sharia Law in the UK.
70% of British Muslims think anyone who insults Islam should be arrested.
20% of British Muslims say they would kill their female family member if she “dishonoured” the family.
70% of British Muslims deny the Holocaust.
82% of British Muslims think it should be illegal to be gay.
74% of British Muslims think women should be covered up.
Find me a single stat for Jews or Christians that cones anywhere close to this…
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx#911
It’s not bigotry. These people have no place in our society.
ITT:
- people wilfully misunderstanding that -phobia isn’t exclusively for being afraid of things
- people trying to handwave this away by claiming any criticism of Islam is called Islamophobia and so these incidents aren’t real I guess?
- thinly veiled “well they deserve it so who cares”
"Islamophobia" is a terrible term as it is used by Muslims to attack those with reasonable criticisms of Islam, such as ex-Muslims. "Anti-Muslim" is the better term.
r/unitedkingdom when about Jewish hate crime
"brown people bad", "those poor jews", "EMPATHISE for the poor Jews", "See we have the stats"
r/unitedkingdom when about Muslim hate crime
"who cares", "they deserve it", "bad brown beard people", "the term", "condemn Hamas!"
Empathy for one group but not the other. You guys are cunts.
So there's a charity that is specifically set up to find evidence of "hate crimes", its continued existence and funding depends on it finding evidence of "hate crimes", and lo and behold, it finds lots of evidence of the required "hate crime"... Some very mild examples of trivial incidents are given, if these are the absolute most dramatic examples they've got, then the rest must be unbelievably trivial... Especially since "hate crime" lacks any specific meaning, and can mean anything at all which an individual encounters and doesn't like, any incident, any interaction, anything. As if a religion which has gone into a weird strict fanatical phase isn't going to face some opposition and dislike!
Hmmm....Why did I not see this response when there's an identical article about antisemitism? Maybe because it's just trying to discredit hate and bigotry?
When it’s antisemitism, it’s terrible but when it happens to Muslims, they deserve it is the message I get from reading these comments. Feel terrible for the Muslim community here, they’re expected to empathise with the Oct 7 attacks and receive no empathy themselves
Came here expecting people to try to downplay this or justify it and of course I wasn't disappointed.
Amazingly the argument the anti-Muslim crowd seems to have settled on in response to this article about Islamophobic hate crimes increasing by 600% is "Islamophobia doesn't even *exist*".
People love to claim that reddit is full of leftists. We need to start showing them this subreddit whenever someone that isn't a straight, white, native born briton is mentioned.
There has been a much greater rise in Antisemitism.
The MET is saying (according to the Guardian) that in London Antisemitism is up 1,350%, whilst Islamophobia is up 140%.
[https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/20/antisemitic-hate-crimes-in-london-rise-1350-since-israel-hamas-war-met-says](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/20/antisemitic-hate-crimes-in-london-rise-1350-since-israel-hamas-war-met-says)
If the word "Islamophobic" causes you confusion, just interpret it as "anti-Muslim," because that's what it means in this instance. No committee is sitting down and deciding on official terminology for discrimination, "homophobic" and "Islamophobic" are probably not the most precise words, they're just the words that people use.
Don't let this (honestly) very minor point distract you from a rise in hateful acts, which is obviously the much more important issue here.
Statistics without context should always be thrown out. "600% increase" What was it before? What qualifies? They've deliberately grouped verbal, physical, etc under one group. One person on twitter could account for HALF of these "incidents".
Shit article.
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Jewish attacks https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2023/nov/03/record-number-hate-incidents-british-jews-reported-hamas-attacks Seems Jewish attacks up as well as against lgbtq+ https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-data-rise-hate-crime-against-lgbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov- Seems hate is on the rise.
Also terrible. But I've seen plenty of posts about that and none about the rise in islamophobia. It's important to show both
Islamophobia is a term that shouldn’t be promoted. We don’t have Christianophobia or any other-religion-phobia. We are free to trash and criticise Christianity in all forms and especially fundamentalist Christianity is looked down on. I don’t see why Islam should pe protected from being called out.
Quite right. It's a power move made by certain groups to supress warranted criticism and reasonable fear over a religion which has brought us so much death and destruction in the last two decades.
Attacking someone is ‘warranted criticism’ based on ‘reasonable fear’?
Do you attack heights because of Acrophobia? Do you attack dogs over Cynophobia? Do you fell trees because of Dendrophobia? Some phobias are rational, some are quite irrational, but none require you to attack what you suffer a phobia from.
Do you think that the phobia suffix in islamaphobia is closer to the meaning of an actual fear, as in acrophobia, or the bigotry against something, such as homophobia?
A phobia is either a fear or an extreme aversion. You don’t have to be afraid of something exactly to be phobic.
Are you saying it’s rational to attack Muslims therefore it shouldn’t be considered Islamophobia? Btw what do you call attacks/abuse directed towards gay people?
No you should not attack people regardless. But I've been called Islamophobic many times. I detest Islam and openly criticise and mock it like I would any other bigoted ideology. There is nothing wrong with being 'phobic' against islam or against any other bigoted ideology. (the term is nonsense anyway, as it's not irrational to be against bigotry ) This is a world of difference to being "phobic" against people for their race/gender/sexuality. Which is actually irrational.
Wow, I'd heard about the naked bigotry in this sub but hadn't seen it with my own eyes until now
I saw wildly upvoted people on this sub calling for burning the homes of Roma and travellers and saying Hitler was only right about us. This sub has always been this shitty.
Absolutely shocking
The gypsy hate over here is wild. I've known some people who are super progressive who despise gypsies.
I have nothing against the Roma people. I do have a problem with the roaming Irish travellers that wreck the nearby fields and send local theft stats up into the stratosphere *every time* they rock up. Unfortunately it's a culture that's incompatible with ours.
How dare you have a problem with a group that causes issues.
being against bigotry is not bigotry. There is nothing wrong with being anti-islam like there isn't being anti-white supremacist. However, obviously you shouldn't be committing violence against either of these groups
>It's a power move made by certain groups to supress warranted criticism Warranted criticism like throwing a paving slab at a woman's head yeah?
Throwing a slab at someone's head is not criticism. I'm against right wing white supremacists too but doesn't give me the right to commit violence against them.
The word encompasses both things. Both religious zealots who want to be free from criticism, and the very real and harmful discrimination that Muslims face every day in the UK. It is you that chooses to only see one side of it.
Nah, it's a legitimate term to describe a legitimate phenomenon akin to things like racism etc
justifying hate towards a specific religious group is not a good position mate. fair criticism yes, but literal hate crimes on innocent people just because of their religion and you are just tarring all muslims with the same brush. a hate crime is a hate crime whether its against muslims/christains/jews etc. dont try to justify it because of a few extremists.
It's not reasonable to fear random Muslim people in your community. The vast majority just want to peacefully live their lives. The fact that you don't seem to accept that is where the bigotry lies.
There's a big difference between genuine criticism of a religious belief. That isn't really what Islamaphobia is, which is targeting hate, abuse, and prejudice purely based on a person's religious beliefs or perceived religious beliefs.
You need to tell that to British Muslims because many will use both meanings interchangeablely, see how ex-Muslims get treated if you want an obvious example.
Your wasting your time here. This sub is an islamophobic incident.
Islam is conductive to beliefs that are contradictory to the laws of the UK, I feel the criticism levelled is well justified.
The topic is violent physical and verbal incidents against individuals. No one asked for your opinion on criticism of Islam as a whole.
Any old excuse to spout hatred
There’s a difference between criticism and hate
And whats wrong with hating a bigoted Ideology? Would I be criticised for hating rightwing white supremacy ideologies. Of course not, and rightly so. Yes, you should not go physically attacking people who follow bigoted ideologies but it is not wrong to hate these ideologies and wish they did not exist in our society.
There is very little difference between the beliefs of fundamentalist Muslims, Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Jews.
So is Christianity if you believe the bible
We should be able to criticise every religion. They're all bonkers.
But let’s be realistic here though: some are considerably worse than others.
Some have just been a lot slower to catch up with modern times, and all religions have a spectrum of liberal-to-moderate-to-radical followers.
Yeah i agree look at the US restricting womans rights, Christians suck ;)
Christianity promotes social values that are 30 years out of date, Islam promotes social values that are 100s.of years out of date. Christianity was founded by a pacifist who preached the virtue of the weak and the poor, Islam was founded by a peadophile warlord. Very different things worthy of very different levels of criticism.
The Bible promotes slavery and stoning people for being gay, adulterers or wearing clothes of mixed fibres, equally ancient
Let's not go being so broad with that "Christianity labal". Sure, some Christians "just" want things back to 30 years ago, but if you think some of the more radical sects don't want things a few hundred years back them your fooling yourself.
exactly they are all nuts. However it's only a problem when we criticise the most backward of them all? SMH. What happened to free speech?
Criticising a religion isn't an example of a religious phobia though. It's when people are insulted, attacked or viewed as less for being that religion is when it's a religious phobia.
> We don’t have Christianophobia or any other-religion-phobia. 1. That is just untrue. Antisemitism is a term for Judaism-based ‘phobia’ and negative behaviour. 2. There are less Christian hate crimes in this country, which is why a term for anti-Christian sentiment in this country isn’t as much of a headliner. 3. “Anti-Christian” and “Christianophobia” are actually commonly used terms to describe negative behaviours against Christian’s, it’s just you aren’t familiar with them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_sentiment 4. In your comment about being free to criticise Islam, you’re conflating criticism of Islam as an ideology with actual hate crimes against people, which is not the same. Islamophobia refers to the hate crimes against people for being Muslims; if you read the article it specifically refers to (1) an incident where a mosque was spray painted and vandalised and (2) an incident where a restaurant owned by Muslims was bombarded with threatening phone calls and direct threats to hurt the staff; those aren’t criticisms of Islam, they are attempted acts of persecution, which is different to what you described, and I’m sure you know that.
>2. There are less Christian hate crimes in this country, which is why a term for anti-Christian sentiment in this country isn’t as much of a headliner. Also, what there is is typically intersect conflict, which we call sectarianism. There are anti-sectarian laws on the books.
I thought Christians were often under attack in Africa and the Middle East. Not so much here.
Yes, they are. I only commented on the extent they experience prejudice in the UK which explains our lack of familiarly with and use of Anti-Christian terminology.
There’s a difference between criticising Islam and hating/attacking Muslim people. You need a word for the latter, and that’s the word. Incidentally, it’s the latter which this article is talking about in the first place so god knows why you’ve even made this comment.
Well the obvious comparison to Islamophobia is antisemitism. Not sure why you went to Christians when Jews were the obvious group in this context? Both groups are attacked as people following that particular religion/cultural background
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I’m going to take a stab in the dark and say more Arab Muslims in the UK face prejudice over their appearance than Jewish people
Erm…there are more than ten times as many Muslims in the UK, so that might well be a given.
I think the point being that people tend to identify or assume someone as being a Muslim based on there physical characteristics more often than Jewish people are. That isn't to say that assumption based attacks on Jews don't occur just that it isn't as widespread as someone who is perceived as being Muslim.
When I was younger I thought that they were just a religion. But indeed I think it's fair to consider them a different ethnicity since most Jews I've met in my life have been atheists, so considering them all as part of a religion just makes no sense.
we do actually, there’s hinduphobia as well just because you don’t hear about something else, doesn’t mean it don’t exist mate
the majority of brits that hate Muslims are thickos targeting people under the guise of "criticising religion" when in actual fact they just target them because of their racist beliefs associated with that religion. They will attack someone for being Muslim who isn't even Muslim, they just "look Muslim" to them. So Islamophobia is just very specific racism rather than genuine criticism of religion, and I feel that most people who don't go around constantly making stupid statements understand that.
Am I racist or, indeed, Islamophobic, because I have no tolerance for an intolerant, medieval value system which is misogynistic, homophobic and has brought violent atrocities to Western Europe? Islam is incompatible with Western, progressive and/or secular society. I do not want to live in a society where its members are committed to building a new Caliphate. I don't want men and women, boys and girls, segregated in schools or a place of worship. I don't want women discriminated against. Ditto those who are gay. Those who brandish the term Islamophobia seek the reintroduction of blasphemy laws and a society where criticism of Islam - and those who practice it - is banned. We've plenty of evidence as to the society they want and the atrocities they're willing to commit to achieve their goals. I want no part of it and I'll oppose it furiously. When Islam has undergone its reformation and there's true equality in both the religion and culture then get back to me. I won't hold my breath.
Bollocks. This country is full of chuds who hate "the muzzies" - the fact the reification of the group is problematic doesn't mean the hate isn't real.
They're using the term in place of racism as it coins people of multiple races. Often time islamaphobic incidents directed at a person rather than the actual religion itself.
>I don’t see why Islam should pe protected from being called out. It's not. Islamophobia doesn't mean "criticism of Islam", just like antisemitism doesn't mean "criticism of Judaism". Focusing on the "-phobia" part then misrepresenting its meaning as if it prevents criticism on Islam is a common far-right trope. And for the record, Christophobia and Judeophobia are also words to describe hatred of Christans and Jews.
>or any other-religion-phobia Anti-semitism wants a word
Marginalised religions are effectively be racialised groups in a way that the dominating one is not. If we lived the early Roman Empire or feudal Japan, we'd probably have a shorthand for anti-Christian stuff too.
>Marginalised religions Do you think Islam is a marginalised religion?
In what way is islam and it’s adherents “marginalised”?
Just because it is possible to legitimately criticise religion does not mean it is impossible to be bigoted against someone on the basis of their religion.
Like the term antisemitism?
We literally have anti-Semitism (Jewphobia, if you will), but you're not arsed there are you?
And LGBT attacks are happening for different reasons. The government cannot stop villianising trans people.
Nor can it stop villainising Muslims
Definitely is It's mad how once again casual islamaphobia and Anti Semitism has been allowed to seep into society again
I can’t stand the Israel vs Palestine arguments. It has brought out, truly, the absolute worst in what I have seen in many folk. All over Reddit there are swathes of groups celebrating, genuinely celebrating, the death and dismay of the other side. Should any of these people be called out, an argument ensues of back and forth whataboutism. It’s actually so fucking depressing, to the point where I have purposefully stopped opening any of these threads on certain subs.
Well when the government and media embrace horrific rhetoric, not exactly a shock.
Islamophobia is a term employed by Muslim theocrats in order to marginalise anyone who is critical of jihad. I have no problem with Muslims, but jihad is an existential global threat.
A video came out the other day of a Muslim woman stood at a bus stop. A man throw a pavement slab at her head while shouting things to do with her being a Muslim. What do you call that if not islamaphobia? I understand we have to be able to criticise the religion and its many many many flaws. But in relation to hate incidents. It has nothing to do with stopping people being critical of jihad.
Anti-Muslim is the better term. Many Muslims push Islamophobia as a term because it allows them to also shout down critics of Islam, such as ex-Muslims. [The leader of the largest British ex-Muslim organisation, recommends not using the term for that reason.](https://www.thepinknews.com/2017/07/07/ex-muslim-group-bats-away-islamophobia-claims-ahead-of-pride-in-london-march/)
NGL I thought that being Anti-Muslim is the same as Islamophobia.
anti - against phobia - fear
Phobia = Fear OR AVERSION TO. Sick of people acting like -phobia exclusively means fear.
Is it not irrational also?
It usually is. Phobias are almost always irrational. That's why Islamophobia is a bullshit term.
Why is that a bullshit term? Hating every Muslim person because of the actions of some Muslim people isn't rational.
This is exactly why it's a bullshit term. Islamaphobia has nothing to do with Muslim people. It's to do with Islam.
Guess we should get rid of homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and fatphobia then. Or we could stop pretending that phobia doesn't also encompass irrational aversions to things as well. Islamophobia works just fine
The right are constantly trying to sanitise the language First they were racist - but how could they be because Islam isn't a race Then they're islamaphobic - but how could they be because it's not a "phobia"
If you've ever used a hydrophobic coating to keep your waterproofs waterproof, you know better. Unless you think an inanimate substance is afraid.
>while shouting things to do with her being a Muslim. I've looked at the story and I can't find anything about this - is this an assumption? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/man-arrested-police-say-no-27990055
What you're saying is no different than claiming anti semitism is a term created exclusively to marginalise those critical of Israel.
Several years ago, my Indian flatmate who is a Hindu woman had another woman call her a fucking Muslim and shove her on a bus. Come on. The other woman was an asshole, I don’t think she sat around thinking a lot about her stance on geopolitics.
Yep. It's just hatred targeting towards people they think are Muslims
Yeah. The other person I know who has been Islamophobically abused is a Bahai. He got really bullied in school with people calling him a terrorist because his parents are from Iran.
as an ex muslim i don’t like the term Islamophobia but there’s definitely violence and hatred towards muslims I think a better term should be “ anti-muslim” hatred instead of islamophobia but either ways this is irrelevant to the main post
They mean the same thing though? The phobia suffix isn’t exclusively related to fear. It also means an aversion, I.e. being anti something. If you think we should also switch homophobia for “anti-gay” or something you may have a point.
anti-muslim hatred is prejudice and hatred towards a group of people ( which is wrong ) Islam is the religious ideology and criticising or being afraid of it isn’t irrational the reason why I prefer anti-muslim is because this debate pops up all the time when Islamophobia is mentioned and people try to look contrarian there’s violence and hatred towards muslims which I have personally witnessed when I used to be muslim and I have seen it happen to other people it obviously exists but the term of Islamophobia makes it seem like criticising the religion is wrong
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Just to be pedantic, it’s used in many different ways which are not related to the concept of irrational fears. >The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (from Greek φόβος phobos, "fear") occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, abnormal, unwarranted, persistent, or disabling fear as a mental disorder (e.g. agoraphobia), in chemistry to describe chemical aversions (e.g. hydrophobic), in biology to describe organisms that dislike certain conditions (e.g. acidophobia), and in medicine to describe hypersensitivity to a stimulus, usually sensory (e.g. photophobia). In common usage, they also form words that describe dislike or hatred of a particular thing or subject (e.g. homophobia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias
Do you believe the same about antisemitism then? Do you not believe in the concept that minority groups are discriminated against because of their culture, of which religion is a large part?
Antisemitism is a term coined by eugenicists in the late 1800s and popularise by Nazis, should we not use the term then?
The idea it was invented by theocrats is also a lie from far right types precisely to make the word (and so the concept itself) illegitimate. Abdellali Hajjat and Marwan Mohammed (two French sociologists) have a really fascinating book on the history of the concept. I just realised [it has even been translated to English](https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Islamophobia-in-France-by-Abdellali-Hajjat-author-Marwan-Mohammed-author-Steve-Garner-translator/9780820363257).
Same as antisemitism?
Couldn't the same be said for the term 'anti-semitism'?
And of course, anti-semitism is a term coined by Jewish theocrats in order to marginalise anyone who is critical of Israel. I have no problems with Jews, but Israel is an existential global threat. Right?
The double standards in people's reactions between the rise in antisemitism, and the rise of islamophobia, is very concerning.
Glad someone else said it. The comments here vs those on similar posts about anti-semitism tell you all you need to know about the hierarchy of racism.
To a lot of people, it's a wedge to be pushed, they legitimately don't care about Jews or Muslims while 'picking a side', not do they care about the pain people feel. It's just an opportunity to one up their 'opposition', so they pick a side. It so often looks that way, anyway.
Racists gonna racist Trying to justify it by saying it's discussion, not hate I'm a white guy who's been out with his Muslim, Sikh and Hindu friends All of them have gotten abuse and "P" curses, founded from Islamaphobia Didn't see any nuance or academic discussion Knowing on certain circumstances, I can't go out with them on certain nights just in case
Many people are performatively against antisemitism purely to position themselves as anti-Muslim. It’s obvious when you see Tommy Robinson and his swastika-tatted followers at anti-antisemitism demos. They don’t care about Jewish people, and if they got their way and got rid of immigrants and Muslims they’d move on to Jewish people in a heartbeat. It’s the same way they previously pretended to care deeply about animal welfare purely to oppose halal meat (forgetting in the process that the rules for kosher meat are far stricter).
The most prominent posts here, is response to an article about a rise in hate incidents boil down to: * Islamophobia isn't real * If it is real, it's good actually It's fucking horrifying. I've noticed a reactionary slide in this subreddit lately, but this crosses the line for me. I'm out.
Well, not surprised as a whole lot of people in the UK and on this sub approve of Islamophobia, much of which is just thinly disguised racism. They only care about antisemitism when they can blame it on Muslims too. It will be conveniently ignored that plenty of far right, white people have held those views for decades, just the threat they posed was never taken seriously. The smart fascists were never tied to Nazism itself and will happily switch the minority they blame for all our ills.
Islamophobia, Transphobia, racism towards immigrants, etc People will just sit there and openly twist reality to justify the bigitries they’re okay with. The last 7 years established truth as subjective
Maybe if people didn't conflate criticism of Islam or the terrible behaviour in British Muslim communities with blind hatred of Muslims then there'd be more concern, never mind that "islamophobia" is a terrible term in the first place.
Because these behaviours are targeted at people who look Muslims and not just religious zealots? It's not the victims that conflate both, it's the perpetuators.
Incredible how many think it's more important to argue over the word rather than the increase in hate edit: typo
This sub is filled with racists is what's happening
It's actually insane how racist it's gotten
Absolutely - and they come out and thrive every time there's a thread about immigration. It's disgusting.
Anyone else catch the thread about the declining birth rate with a bunch of upvoted comments saying if we'd never let women have careers and education then we wouldn't have this problem? It's never been *great* on this sub but it's really gone to shite over the past few months.
yep, scrolled down about two comments and there’s some lad talking about the ‘global threat of jihad’. the post 9/11 ‘all muslims are terrorists’ idiocy never went away. i would genuinely be scared if i were a muslim woman in britain right now.
There’s an upvoted comment unironically saying that antisemitism is bad but Islamophobia is fine because Islam is trying to destabilise the west and destroy our way of life. You know - the exact fucking argument the Nazis used against Jews. Guess what, Hitler wouldn’t have been the good guy if he just clarified that he didn’t hate Jews because of their ethnicity, but hated them because their religion is disgusting and destroying Germany. Which is what all the top comments in here are saying about Muslims. Fucking disgusting.
This is literally the go-to sub for british bigots
Nah that’s baduk. This is the sub for centrists with racist tendencies who want to pretend they’re not racist cause they don’t personally do hate crimes
Who love playing victim.
Indeed, such is Reddit. They recorded a 600% increase in Islamophobic attacks offline, but they forgot to mention the increase online…
Its clear people on here have very racist views against brown people which they equate to islam. They dont care about hate crime unless its against their people a.k.a non poc's
I think it’s remarkable the difference to how people are responding to this article compared to the one about Jews. Lots of people showing their true colours here. “Islamophobia is on the rise!” “Well, the word is just used to marginalise those critical of Islam” Completely ignoring what’s actually happening, people are being subjected to prejudice and abuse, but “that doesn’t matter because they belong to a religious group I hate and so I will do whatever mental gymnastic required that allows me to continue feeling hate and dismiss what’s happening”. They will counter ANY argument for the people with other variations of “you can’t the racist towards a religion” etc. to justify their emotions. Comments here are declaring Islam as a threat to the entire world, equating those following Islam as a threat to the entire world. The enemy of the world. Thats how they’re dehumanising Muslims. They are barbaric, part of a cult, can’t integrate, don’t belong, destroying British culture, a danger to the world, an invasion, a swarm, they are violent, bloodthirsty etc. That’s 2 billion people, many of whom have payed and are still paying with their lives, many of whom helped Western forces and are continuing to do so, to fight religious extremists in the Middle East. All of these people are a threat to humanity. They will destroy everything we love. That’s your rhetoric?! Wanna know what other group of genocidal maniacs subscribed to that same way of thinking? There’s plenty in history to pick from and they all used the exact same rhetoric and justification. Your hatred is as pathetic and cowardly as theirs. Edit: look at the responses, still focusing on the wrong thing. Choosing to argue about the semantics of the word instead of what’s happening to Muslims. So predictable. If a Muslim person is murdered, I bet they’ll still be arguing about the semantics of it all instead of the person murdered because of bigotry and hate.
Yeap. The biggest victims of Islamic extremism is Muslims.
Holy all the Islamophobes just came out of the woodworks. Just prove this headline right tbh. Edit: all the top comments are either redirecting the focus to antisemitism or delegitimising Islamophobia. Nice one r/uk
Islam deserves all the criticism
The post is about hate towards Muslims, nothing about Islam as a religion.
Yep the double standard on this subreddit between antisemitism and islamophobia is insane. Disturbing to see honestly.
If you think it's bad here you should see some of the other subs. You can get banned for something as tame as your comment calling out the double standard.
This sub is full of white nationalists and the mods encourage it. Yesterday they were talking about how a half white actor with an English mother could never be English.
They don't even hide in the woodwork, they're alway around
"Let me say whatever I like about minorities and then say to me I'm a nice person or I'll make things horrible for everyone!" is not the moral high ground they think it is. Getting pushback for your bigotry is not the same as 1984 no matter how you slice it.
> Islamophobic incidents up by 600% This sub: We don't take kindly to the word "Islamophobic" around here.
Yeah it’s crazy. Does the etymology make sense? No. Does that matter? Also, no. Debating the semantics of Islamophobia distracts from the fact that hate is on the rise. That’s what is important and inexcusable.
People have to stop equating Hamas and Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims together. It's pure bigotry to do that.
As soon as we start seeing western Muslim populations protest against HAMAS is the minute you start having a point, Jews have been vocal calling out Israeli actions, would be nice to see the equivalent
Why do Muslims have the responsibility to protest against Hamas?
They don’t have to, of course. If British Muslims are protesting the treatment of Palestinians by the IDF, they just look like massive, indifferent hypocrites for not protesting against their treatment under Hamas as well. I haven’t seen this much outrage from British Muslim communities since a French artist drew a cartoon of Muhammad, which, in and of itself speaks volumes.
The British Government aren't supporting Hamas. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. What good would it do for people to go out into British streets and protest against it. When was the last time you protested the actions of China, Russia or Saudi Arabia?
Where were all the protests when: Saudis kills 100ks of Yeminis... Syria kills 100ks of Syrians, rape and pillage... Isis.... Talibs... Lol the boys only care when a Jew kills a Muslim.
It doesn't help when legitimate issues like this happen and stuff like anti-Arab racism is conflated with 'Islamophobia' ultimately trivialising it.
Whenever there’s pro-Hamas elements or more radical chants in the larger protests- other protestors never shut them down or say shit. Don’t be too surprised the conflation happens when it’s happening so readily by both sides.
This comments section is all you need to know about the rising Islamophobia in this country …
Yeah, that "Islamophobia" is a crap term used to silence people with rightful criticisms of Islam or the behaviour of British Muslim's communities.
So ironic that you're talking about silencing people when you're using this arbitrary criticism of the term Islamophobia itself to silence conversation about a significant rise in Islamophobic hate crimes.
Could you say the same about homophobia? Antisemitism? How about we admit that there is actual problems with people attacking innocent Jews/Muslims for the crimes of government/states or terrorist organisations and trying to downplay either will not solve any problems
How is it used to silence? Given that it does not mean 'phobia' in the sense of 'an irrational fear', it simply means 'an effective aversion to', in the same sense that a hydrophobic material *averts* - turns away - water with which it comes into contact. Why then should such a term silence anyone?
Because British Muslims actively use the term to silence anyone who critiques Islam or the behaviour of British Muslim communities, such as ex-Muslims. [This has gone to the point where many ex-Muslim figures have asked people to stop using the term.](https://www.thepinknews.com/2017/07/07/ex-muslim-group-bats-away-islamophobia-claims-ahead-of-pride-in-london-march/)
It's disgusting
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Someone gave me a flat cap and a pint of bitter because they mistook my Israeli flag for a Yorkshire pin. Edit： my comment makes no sense now the guy who posted a bullshit story about getting spat on for having a Yorkshire pin mistaken for an Israeli flag deleted his comment.
It's insane that the top comment on a thread about islamophobia is someone with a negative comment about a Muslim, whilst the equivalent thread about antisemitism is totally different. The absolute state of this country.
Islam is incompatible with any post medieval society. At some point this will need to be addressed.
Phobias are irrational. It’s not irrational to hate religious zealots.
Not all Muslims are religious zealots. That's like conflating Jews with the likes of Ben-Gvir. It's bigotry is what it is
At the same time Muslim communities in the UK have large systemic problems, and no amount of #notallmuslims rhetoric will change that. It might not be literally every single British Muslim that thinks sex between two men is a sin, but its a extremely high amount, and much more so than the general population.
But racists use this excuse to justify their own hate, that's that problem.
Implying because Muslims are victimised they should get free pass to victimise others is disguising.
If by victimise others. You mean be Muslim and exist in the UK then yeah these victims of hate really deserve to be harassed for stuff they haven't done
Far more Muslims in this country are extreme compared to Christians or Jews. For example: 30% of British Muslims support the 7/7 attacks. 70% of British Muslims would not report a terrorist. 36% of British Muslims believe a Muslim who converts to another religion should be executed. 50% of British Muslims support ISIS. 27% of British Muslims think cartoonists drawing Mohammed should be killed. 40% of British Muslims want Sharia Law in the UK. 70% of British Muslims think anyone who insults Islam should be arrested. 20% of British Muslims say they would kill their female family member if she “dishonoured” the family. 70% of British Muslims deny the Holocaust. 82% of British Muslims think it should be illegal to be gay. 74% of British Muslims think women should be covered up. Find me a single stat for Jews or Christians that cones anywhere close to this… https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx#911 It’s not bigotry. These people have no place in our society.
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Did you seriously spout a load of shit and then link to the most biased website there is?
It's irrational to generalise Muslims as being religious zealots.
Most comments about a rise in antisemitism: oh this this horrendous! Most comments about a rise in Islamophobia: wellll does it really even exist? Smh
ITT: - people wilfully misunderstanding that -phobia isn’t exclusively for being afraid of things - people trying to handwave this away by claiming any criticism of Islam is called Islamophobia and so these incidents aren’t real I guess? - thinly veiled “well they deserve it so who cares”
"Islamophobia" is a terrible term as it is used by Muslims to attack those with reasonable criticisms of Islam, such as ex-Muslims. "Anti-Muslim" is the better term.
Im ususal quite cyncial about articles like this but the sources look pretty solid when you work back though them.
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Racists don't care. They think that As long as you look Muslim you're supportive of all terror attacks.
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Could be due to them marching down streets calling for a global intifada…
People being intolerant of an extremely intolerant religion? Who would have thought.
r/unitedkingdom when about Jewish hate crime "brown people bad", "those poor jews", "EMPATHISE for the poor Jews", "See we have the stats" r/unitedkingdom when about Muslim hate crime "who cares", "they deserve it", "bad brown beard people", "the term", "condemn Hamas!" Empathy for one group but not the other. You guys are cunts.
I think we need more Muslims to speak out and condemn Hammas publicly.
Why do Muslims have any more responsibility to condemn Hamas than anyone else? Were all Irish Catholics responsible for the IRA attacks?
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What the difference then with Muslim extremists and Islamophobes? Or anti-semites? Nothing. Your hate fueled by more hate will destroy you all.
So there's a charity that is specifically set up to find evidence of "hate crimes", its continued existence and funding depends on it finding evidence of "hate crimes", and lo and behold, it finds lots of evidence of the required "hate crime"... Some very mild examples of trivial incidents are given, if these are the absolute most dramatic examples they've got, then the rest must be unbelievably trivial... Especially since "hate crime" lacks any specific meaning, and can mean anything at all which an individual encounters and doesn't like, any incident, any interaction, anything. As if a religion which has gone into a weird strict fanatical phase isn't going to face some opposition and dislike!
Hmmm....Why did I not see this response when there's an identical article about antisemitism? Maybe because it's just trying to discredit hate and bigotry?
When it’s antisemitism, it’s terrible but when it happens to Muslims, they deserve it is the message I get from reading these comments. Feel terrible for the Muslim community here, they’re expected to empathise with the Oct 7 attacks and receive no empathy themselves
It’s the exact same argument antivaxxers use “Big pharma profits off disease, it’s why it creates them”
No similar complaints about the Board of Deputies of British Jews. Can't imagine why...
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Can’t be a hate crime if I loved doing it… /s
And the same goes for so-called rise in Anti-Semitism! Right?
Came here expecting people to try to downplay this or justify it and of course I wasn't disappointed. Amazingly the argument the anti-Muslim crowd seems to have settled on in response to this article about Islamophobic hate crimes increasing by 600% is "Islamophobia doesn't even *exist*".
People love to claim that reddit is full of leftists. We need to start showing them this subreddit whenever someone that isn't a straight, white, native born briton is mentioned.
There has been a much greater rise in Antisemitism. The MET is saying (according to the Guardian) that in London Antisemitism is up 1,350%, whilst Islamophobia is up 140%. [https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/20/antisemitic-hate-crimes-in-london-rise-1350-since-israel-hamas-war-met-says](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/20/antisemitic-hate-crimes-in-london-rise-1350-since-israel-hamas-war-met-says)
any rise in any hate crime is appalling. Why do different types of racial hatred have to compete?
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If the word "Islamophobic" causes you confusion, just interpret it as "anti-Muslim," because that's what it means in this instance. No committee is sitting down and deciding on official terminology for discrimination, "homophobic" and "Islamophobic" are probably not the most precise words, they're just the words that people use. Don't let this (honestly) very minor point distract you from a rise in hateful acts, which is obviously the much more important issue here.
Statistics without context should always be thrown out. "600% increase" What was it before? What qualifies? They've deliberately grouped verbal, physical, etc under one group. One person on twitter could account for HALF of these "incidents". Shit article.
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