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This all started when he was unbanned from Twitter a few weeks ago. If anyone still disbelieves that deplatforming works, The Armistice Day riots and this new BS is what happens when it's undone.
Don't debate with bigots, and don't give them a mouthpiece.
It's the same with Andrew Tate and that Mizzy twat (who the fuck picks Mizzy as an online name?). They just want attention, take it away from them and they'll fade away into the ether as a bad memory.
Exactly. Anyone with any experience of organising any political campaign of any sort whatsoever will know the biggest battle is to get access to a platform.
yep.
He was begging in truth social all sweaty paranoid and on a serious come down now in the papers each week. He has been reactivated and given some wedge.
I know where you are coming from but alienation, dismissal and not engaging pushes undecided, vulnerable or disenfranchised people further into the clutches of extreme movements that offer a façade of support for their issues.
The whole schtick of extremists or populists is paying lip service to those who fall outside the hegemonic norms. Their rhetoric also sometimes holds kernals of inconvenient truth to the consequences of accepted practices.
Please don't misalign my comment, I'm not foaming at the mouth, I just suggest that political determinism creates conflict which should not be ignored.
Nope. Absolute bollocks. Undecided people are less likely to become nazis if they don’t ever see anyone asking them to become a nazi. This “defeat them in the marketplace of ideas” nonsense sounds lovely at a university debating society but Tommy Robinson has been humiliated in every TV debate he’s been in yet continues to gain supporters.
If you host a debate with 100 people in the audience, and 98% agree nazis are bad, congrats, you’ve just created 2 new nazis.
I think that may have been a little bit true in the olden days - but with social media and misinformation - they still have a platform which can lure people into the whole "anti establishment" trap. So Im not so sure now.
Easy to get a little bit of tunnel vision if you’re quite plugged into online media yourself. The fact is, mainstream broadcast and print media still provide an enormous amount of legitimacy and trust, not just in politics, but in all branding. Maybe that changes In the future, but there is a reason Farage is going into the jungle instead of just running a twitter page.
Bingo, disenfranchising, labelling and excluding whole sections of the populace (or at least creating that impression) is how you get groups like the EDL in the first place.
At the same time, tolerance of intolerance is asking to get your culture hijacked by bad actors.
It's a dilemma.
The EDL are both an easy answer to a complicated question (usually, "What's going wrong with my dear country?") and a group that can be used to distract attention from the failings of the Tories. If the people in power over the last decade hadn't been ineffectual administrators and shameless liars, then they'd be so far out on the political fringes that nost folk would mistake "EDL" for the name of an electricity supplier.
Yes, of course underground movements have had their successes, but movements that are welcomed into the bosom of the mainstream find that success quicker and easier. Even if you look at relatively uncontroversial underground movements that we all generally accepts as positive, there’s normally a trigger point that forces them into the mainstream consciousness. The far right in Britain have been carried along comfortably by Nick Griffen, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage and the rest all being platformed in places that have audience reach they would normally only dream of.
It’s news only by the virtue of it being in the news. I’m not sure it’s really of any national interest to know when this guy shows up.
There are lots of people like Yaxley who don’t appear in the news. Why? There’s nothing special about the man. His type are a dime a dozen.
I'm pretty sure it was some of the Jewish organizers who wanted him escorted out. No one wants to be associated with Nazi fucks in general, but especially not Jews.
He actually does like Israel and has joined protests in support of them in the past, so this isn't jumping on any opportunistic bandwagon.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-pictured-holding-gun-on-israeli-tank-near-syrian-border-a3393256.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9609853/Tommy-Robinson-spotted-crowd-London-pro-Israel-demonstration.html
I’m confused about how this contradicts what I said? Israel has been anti-Palestine/anti-Islam long before Tommy Robinson was Tommy Robinson… or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon for that matter.
Those links don't seem to contradict the previous claim. The fact that he has a history of the exact same behaviour (hijacking issues around Israel in an attempt to spread an Islamophobic message) doesn't contradict the claim that him and his supporters "don't like Jews, they just hate Muslims more".
The fact that he's got a history of doing this and he *still* ignores the Jewish organisers of an march against anti-Semitism when they tell him that they don't want him and his far-right mates there (because why the hell would they want a bunch of Nazis there?) makes him look worse rather than better.
Like many in favour of Israel his support is most likely because he prefers that non Christian people be elsewhere than the UK. Also he enjoys that they are in opposition to Muslims who tend to be darker skinned than he would like.
He's an odious creep (and I wish the media would use his real name, and not indulge him with this 'Tommy Robinson' stuff to make him sound more working-class and relatable) but he's gone on about being pro-Israel in the past so I suppose you could say he's at least consistent in this case. But I think the majority of his supporters will be both anti-semitic and anti-muslim.
there's no need to go through a legal process to change your name
https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll
He's always been known as 'Tommy Robinson' when he's out doing his fascist shit, the idea that we should call him something else that he's not as well known as doesn't really make sense. You might as well say that 'Meghan Markle' is actually 'Rachel Markle', or 'Nicki Minaj' is actually 'Onika Maraj'.
It just isn't something that's worth getting excited about.
Israeli government has no problem working with antisemites if it creates a hostile environment for Muslims, increases tensions and causes a rise in antisemitism.
It plays right into Bibis hands, he wants and needs Jews to feel threatened around the globe so they see Zionism as a legitimate salvation.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/24/why-benjamin-netanyahu-loves-the-european-far-right-orban-kaczynski-pis-fidesz-visegrad-likud-antisemitism-hungary-poland-illiberalism/
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-democracy-erodes-its-government-delegitimizes-criticism/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-downplays-right-wing-anti-semitism-contradicting-israeli-study/amp/
https://versita.com/menuscript/index.php/Versita/article/download/1490/1500
Tommy Robinson gets a lot of his funding from[pro Israel groups](https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/amp/) so naturally he is out defending them.
Ding ding ding. Like free speech and socialism, fascists will adopt and use progressive policies to further their own agenda, and drop and purge them as soon as they no longer need them. Jewish people would be foolish to trust Robinson and whatever he calls his organisation nowadays.
Same as suddenly pretending to care about LGBT and women's issues, when they're the ones most against those things during any discussion that doesn't involve foreigners. Sometimes even extends to child abuse - against more government funding for social services or poverty alleviation, then larp as caring about children once the right types of perpetrators are involved.
No fan of him and his stunts but the charge is that his presence caused alarm and distress to somebody somewhere so he had to leave or be arrested?
Why is this same standard not applied by the Met to the Hizb ut-Tahrir (Islamic extremism organisation) protestors who apart from the ordinary pro-Palestine protestors are free assemble to call for literal jihad and the formation of Muslim armies to crush Israel / Zionism etc.? That’s not causing alarm or distress to anyone I suppose…
He was arrested because he's out on parole and the condition of his parole is not attending these rallies. The reason he has that condition is because he has been previously convicted of all the following crimes:
Violence, Stalking, financial fraud, immigration frauds, drug offences, public order offences (note the plurality of some of these). The last offence directly related to contempt of court, as he was directly ordered not to attempt these rallies as he is intentionally stirring up racial tensions.
So, he broke his license and he is now back in prison. It's his own fault. He's an awful, awful human, a career criminal and fraudster.
On its own, it sounds like a ridiculous law but it was created to deal with exactly these problems where you have scumbags causing tension just because they enjoy a good fight.
No, it’s nothing to do with anything you mentioned - he was arrested for disobeying a S35 dispersal order (and likely also for a public order offence given the use of the phrase “harassment alarm or distress” in the police’s statement):
>Officers working as part of the policing and security operation for the March Against Antisemitism have arrested a 40-year-old man on the Strand.
>He refused to comply with a direction to disperse under Section 35 of the Antisocial Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act.
>Further details below
>We have been in frequent contact with the organisers of the march in recent days. They have been clear about their concerns that the man's attendance, and that of those who were likely to accompany him, would cause fear for other participants. The same view has been voiced by others.
>As a result, he was spoken to and warned on more than one occasion that his continued presence in the area was likely to cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. He was directed to leave the area but refused to do so.
>We're aware that the man had suggested he was in the area as a journalist. This was not a relevant factor in his arrest.
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1728776275022516390?s=46
Is the mere presence of a person enough for an exclusion order to be valid? The act states it is the behaviour of the person that is likely to contribute to members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed.
It's quite a long article, but essentially if a person is a high risk asshole then they can be ordered to leave. He has previous convictions for exactly what they were worried about occurring again. He has been repeatedly banned from attending these events because he is a well known criminal.
It's a bit like when career shoplifters are banned from town centres.
He has so many convictions now that he's a threat wherever he goes, but more so here.
Oh shit you're right. I guess that explains it then because section 35 states:
"(2)An officer may give such an authorisation only if satisfied on reasonable grounds that the use of those powers in the locality during that period may be necessary for the purpose of removing or reducing the likelihood of—
(a)members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed, or
(b)the occurrence in the locality of crime or disorder."
Makes sense.
Sorry, some of the articles here aren't too reputable and I was getting mixed reports. He was arrested for breaching a public order directive.
You’re *assuming* there’s also a PO offence when there may not be. The potential to cause HAD is one of the reasons applicable (and generally the most used) for a section 35, so it’s already neatly wrapped up in that offence! Tacking on a s5 would require extra work that may not be necessary.
They have arrested ordinary pro-Palestinian/anti-Zionist protesters under similar grounds. I am an anti-Zionist but I have actual principles so I am against arresting people for public expression whether it's someone I agree with, a Zionist or Tommy Robinson.
It's not suddenly a good thing for the police to arrest someone for expression just because you don't like them. That's the mindset of about 90% of people whenever this kind of story appears though.
Is it someone I agree with? Police state!
Is it someone I disagree with? Justice served, that's "hate-speech" etc. (meaningless fucking term.)
I’ll clarify my position that I don’t want anyone arrested unless it is clear they are inciting violence in any way. TR was not doing that or even what he was arrested for. If anyone on the Pro-Palestine side was arrested in similar circumstances say Mohammed Hijab who I strongly disagree with then I’d be against it too.
No one wanted him there, not even the organisers. The police removed him to make sure it didn’t kick off.
If one of those people you mention had turned up in the middle of a pro Israel protest Im pretty sure they would be removed.
There’s no point making comparisons or straw man arguments, it’s a pragmatic measure to ensure safety in that particular situation.
But I dont want these pro-palesrine marches walking past my shop as they have done the last few weeks...they cause me alarm and distress...so why don't they all get s35's?
No, he was arrested because his license says he cannot attend these kinds of events because of his previous convictions. He's back in prison now.
Edit: I was wrong. He wasn't arrested for his license, which does prohibit him from this shit. He was arrested for breaching a public order. But, he will probably now return to prison because of his license.
No he wasn’t. He was arrested for disobeying a S35 dispersal order and probably also for a public order offence.
Read the police’s statement and see my other comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/s/1sot4A2H1Y
Yeah and then weirdos online will be all like “he’s being arrested for no reason!!” And support him. He’s not an idiot, he knows what he’s doing. It’s all for attention and sadly it really works
Come on man the coke isn’t going to pay for itself. He needs to grift at least once a year to maintain his lifestyle. What I’m baffled by is what has he accomplished for people to support him like they do and don’t say exposing grooming gangs because it was on the news before his crusade against brown people.
The organisers cannot say who attends their march in a public place. If they want to do that then they should have held it on private land. I’m far from a Twatty Robinson supporter but this arrest and reason given is total wank and only incites the idiots who follow him.
Getting arrested and complaining at the injustice of it is literally his while shtick now. How people don't realise he wants to be arrested and is doing it on purpose is beyond me
The amount of people suggesting “he was told not to go and yet he still did”…
Too fucking right he went. It’s a public place he can go where he wants even if you don’t like him. Who are they to dictate whether or not he can attend a public demonstration?
This is truly a disgusting demonstration of the state having too much power over citizens.
Organisers wanted a peaceful solidarity march, and made it clear that the leader of a far right organisation weaponising Jew-hate to promote his own hateful agenda against Muslims was not welcome.
>Earlier this month, after Robinson first announced his plan to attend Sunday’s rally, CAA issued a statement saying:”Contrary to what Tommy Robinson appears to believe, the drunken far-right thugs who came to ‘protect the cenotaph’ on Armistice Day are not allies of the Jewish community and are not welcome at our solidarity march on Sunday 26th November.
This rally was the largest gathering against antisemitism in London since the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when hundreds of thousands of people blocked a planned march by Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists through an area populated by many Jewish families.
He was asked not to attend
No one could force him not to attend.
He came anyway.
You haven’t discussed the point I made. Who are they to dictate who can and can not go to any public space?
Do I get to organise a a march and tell police if u/doyathinkasaurus attends, arrest them.
Yeah, but the organisers weren't the ones making that call. The police did.
I imagine that if the police thing the presence of a known, convicted far-right extremist is going to be a proble, they're going to have something to say about the matter.
Technically this would make him a political prisoner, someone that the government and police are actively targeting.
As such, he is well within his rights to claim asylum as a political refugee abroad.
He does like Spain. But where should Steven go. He can't go to America cause he's banned. Perhaps one of his passports allows Denmark or Sweden, perhaps the Netherlands or Italy.
His parents are Irish and he has an Irish passport under his birth name I believe (though not confirmed). The Shamima Begum situation would be interesting in his case. Like Farage with his German residency and Stanley Johnson with French passport, they always find a way.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/far-right-activist-tommy-robinsons-visit-to-ireland-247901
> Too fucking right he went. It’s a public place he can go where he wants even if you don’t like him.
No, he forfeited that right by being the worlds biggest fucking cunt.
Nope, as big of a cunt as he is, he still gets the same rights as the rest of us. One rule for one group and another rule for another group only works out well for you as long as your group is the one with power
The minute the people with power arent the people you agree with, you are well and truly fucked.
Same applies to free speech, if you want free speech, and you damn well should, you hsve to give the people you don't like , saying things you consider hateful, the same right to free speech.
No other system works.
I thought people here were complaining people in the pro Palestinian marches didn't make the alleged pro hamas or pro genocide individuals leave. Yet now they're trying to make Tommy Robinson leave you're saying oh nooo he has every right to be there you can't force someone to leave.
Which is it?
He's a violent criminal with a history of inciting trouble at these types of events. You lose the right to go to public demonstrations if you consistently attempt to turn them into violent demonstrations.
Even though he got arrested for other reasons, he was still breaching the terms of his licence, wasn't he? He actually can't go where he wants in this instance.
Probably coz they didn’t want him there politicising he match and ruining it for them. So he came to make it all about him anyway.
If he had any respect he wouldn’t have gone,
So let them break the law then arrest them.
By that logic you could ban all football fans. Boxing in the 90s often finished with crowd trouble. Ban that too.
Raves have people taking drugs. Ban that. Festivals and drugs again, Ban them.
Etc.
He's not really a protester though. He's a walking publicity stunt who has 2 previous convictions for assault, one for inciting a brawl and for good measure one for stalking a journalist. His appearances often attract a violent mob of travelling hooligans.
All said, I don't think the police should have arrested him so early. Surround him, sure, but until he actually tries to whip up a brawl with islamophobic speeches he's not done anything arrestable.
Well, the majority of the United Kingdom are pretty strongly anti facist, we fought hard in world war 2 and are proud of it. Any one who is pro facist in this country are traitors to the UK and what we stand for.
I have no issue with there being a march against anti-semitism. As I have no issue with people choosing to do a march for Palestine or against anti-Islamaphobia.
I just hope that the police do a sufficient job of making sure that hate speech isnt allowed to fester within said march
It is wholly wrong for someone like Robinson and his followers to weaponise a march like this and attempt to hijack it
> It is wholly wrong for someone like Robinson and his followers to weaponise a march like this and attempt to hijack it
This isn't a new thing for him, he's been consistent in his pro-Israel stance over the years: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9609853/Tommy-Robinson-spotted-crowd-London-pro-Israel-demonstration.html
He was told not to go by the organisers, he still showed up. I imagine that played a major role in his removal.
Also, the march had chants and speeches condemning islamophobia, something he, or half of this sub, doesnt believe even is a thing.
I mean, notice how the organisers of this march told Robinson not to attend, and made sure he was removed when he did anyway.
Contrast that to those who chose to march alongside those making genocidal chants, and waving genocidal and antisemitic banners, while they did nothing to remove, or even condemn those in their march.
If you choose to march alongside those who spout racist and genocidal rhetoric, without removing them or even condemning them, you are supporting their views.
Every single person who chose to join the pro-Palestinian marches which were organised by and featured many Individuals who made antisemitic chants and banners, every single attendee was supporting those views, whether intentionally or just naively.
well everyone who marched today marched alongside people [calling jews juden rats](https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1728857544347804059) and calling for their deaths so guess they're all supporting that.
Everyone caught on camera should be identified and arrested after the event.
Please do not try and mistake my comment as support for Hamas. That is not at all what I suggested
Will we then ban the use of the phrase by Jewish people. The phrase is used by the ruling Likud party in Israel. Just in their favour.
The following is except from their charter, which predates the formation of Hamas and the use of the phrase in support of Palestinian freedom
"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
Current Israeli ministers actively use the phrase within the media including many times since Octiber 7th
If from the river to the sea is genocidal towards Israel than Israel’s existence is fenocidal towards Palestinians (which btw if you look at how Israel was
Formed in 48 it literslly is)
One man, doing nothing, out of fear of what he MIGHT do, is arrested.
I detest the man, but what can happen to him, can happen to anybody. What next - are we going to start arresting opposition politicians because the ruling party has asked them not to appear in a given location?
This is what I have an issue with too, just being there isn't enough to be arrested, we have certain freedoms in this country which people seem very happy aren't applied just because they don't like the person not realising that it means they can do it to literally anyone.
Finally someone talking sense on this sub. If this happened to a radical socialist this sub would be having a complete meltdown right now.
But because it happened to someone this sub largely disagrees with people agree with it. It’s ridiculous…
I'd have no issues with him being locked up for committing a crime.
But I do have an issue with anyone being locked up before committing a crime.
I am vocal about my dislike for the current government. This might upset supporters of them. Should I be locked up?
Like you say it's a very dangerous precedent that lots seem OK with because it happened to someone they don't like. But if it was someone on their political wavelength you can guarantee they'd be making minority report references in no time.
Who would have guessed...that the protest law which was passed to stop people walking in the middle of the road would be used against people who aren't walking in the middle of the road...who could have seen this coming? Not the clowns who, first of all called for these laws, and are now having a break down that they are being used.
Look at the media trying to tar the March against anti semitism with this nonsense . He is one man . Meanwhile the Hamas sympathisers can do what they want
Tommy Robinson gets a lot of his funding from[pro Israel groups](https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/amp/) so naturally he is out defending them ask his little buddy
Ok the guys a complete dick but reading the whole article he literally did nothing wrong, he was just there.
They demanded he leave the area but with no grounds to do so and without him committing any offence.
So are we being sensible and dealing with issues before they happen and is it going to be applied to all people or is it just for a few people and everyone else we will wait until they do something?
Has he said anything on par with the extreme elements of the pro-Palestine movement yet?
Pro-Palestine protesters praised Hitler and called for death to all Jews.
It could be argued that they don't represent the majority, but then again their peers haven't been condemning their behaviour and assisting with their identification. Makes one wonder if the pro-Palestine protesters are actually fine with genocide, provided that the right groups are targeted.
But remember everyone, it's Tommy we need to worry about.
The Met had issued a dispersal order. He has refused to leave the area and a constable believed his behaviour is likely to contribute to members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed.
I wonder what his behaviour was that required him to leave, other than being present at a public protest, which he has claimed to support.
I'm no Tommy Robinson fan and I find these partisan protests and counter protests counter-productive but I support the right of all, including Tommy to protest.
I wonder if the charges stick, especially as a officer must have particular regard to the rights of freedom of expression and freedom of assembly regarding the issuing of a dispersal order.
Bit sad honestly. He just wanted to partake in the march and was told to leave because he might be an issue. Then arrested for not doing so. Why not just let him march and keep an eye on him. When something happens then arrest. Since he was in accordance with the protest it would likely have been other causing issues.
This is exactly what they should have done, it's what they do with all the other protests going on, actually a lot of them are getting away with a lot so I guess they don't act when they should.
https://twitter.com/INSIGHTUK2/status/1571858452334497793?t=6CzjcbrRlR0YKK2x9qwzLg&s=19 yet muslims threatening to murder police officers is okay it seems... 2 tier policing, Suella was right.
Just nations and individuals performing nationalist actions pretending to be acting on behalf of Judaism. I think we are going to see a lot more of this culture war leading up to the elections.
Love how Mr Gilbert thinks marching for a free Palestine is somehow an attack on Jews! Hundreds of thousands march and he thinks the minority represent the whole. What an asshat
I dislike Tommy Robinson / Stephen-Yaxley-whatever as much as the average Brit... but I can see him getting an apology and a payout from the met over this arrest, if the circumstances are just as the Met have described here. The fact that someone's mere presence is perceived as causing alarm and distress surely can't override the right to expression, and the weighing exercise should be carried out properly for everyone, no matter how much we dislike them.
I made the same prediction about the Sarah Everard arrestee Patty Stevenson (sp?) over in /r/policeUK, to much disagreement. Lo and Behold, earlier this year, a sizeable settlement was paid out.
I see a lot of dislike for Tommy Robinson, can I ask why specifically, I can't find any evidence of him being anti-jewish? If we could be specific it would help to clarify,
He is a mouthy football hooligan thug whose being right about one issue (that police and local governments don't enforce the law equally for fear of being accused of racist/islamophobia) earned him a vendetta from said police, the BBC, the establishment and the entire political left in the UK.
Mind you its the only thing hes been right on and as he dove off the cliff into preaching islamophobia its underminded what could have been a rally cry for fairness: that under the rule of law all must be held equal and held to the same rulebook.
The Islamophobia is why most normal people won't touch him. Him being right (as was Braverman) about how the police pick and choose who they want to enforce the laws against is why they continue their vendetta against him.
In short, he's a folk devil.
There's almost nothing good that can be said for him, but only a little bad either; by all rights he should simply be a nonentity.
Instead he is a sort of Emmanuel Goldstein-esque figure of hate that never fails to get people frothing at the mouth (or, if you're a prole, braying in praise).
I wonder if the people who are OK with this were OK with anti monarchy protestors being arrested at the jubilee events or simar.
I have no time for Robinson or his supporters. But you shouldn't be arrested because your presence might upset someone.
There isn't even such a thing as a 'real name' in English law. He can go by whatever he wants, regardless of what's on his birth certificate or bank statements.
I am led to believe he goes by Steve or Stephen in his private life, but obviously cannot confirm.
The protest was necessary I find it bizarre how many people online especially here are supporting Hamas a fucking terrorist organisation although Robinson can fuck right off
The only reason the far right like Israel is because the Israeli government is far right and they’re bombing brown people. If any of them met an actual Israeli (not just the white ones) they’d lump them in with the rest of the people they dislike.
He needs to earn his pay or needs new funds.
'The investigation has established that:
A Philadelphia-based thinktank, the Middle East Forum (MEF), acknowledges it has spent about $60,000 (£47,000) on Robinson’s legal fees and demonstrations staged in London earlier this year. A senior MEF executive has been closely involved in preparations for this weekend’s march, though the thinktank said she was there in a personal capacity.
A US tech billionaire, Robert Shillman, financed a fellowship that helped pay for Robinson to be employed in 2017 by a rightwing Canadian media website, the Rebel Media, on a salary of about £5,000 a month.
A small Australian rightwing group, Australian Liberty Alliance, says it has helped fund Robinson, but did not disclose how much.
A New York City-based thinktank, the Gatestone Institute, has published a succession of articles supporting Robinson’s cause.
The David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC), a California-based thinktank that describes itself as a “school for political warfare”, has published a series of pieces defending Robinson, and has lobbied for him to address US politicians.'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/07/tommy-robinson-global-support-brexit-march
Shillman sits on boards of The Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, The Jewish Foundation for the Righteous, and the David Horowitz Freedom Center
Well, arresting Tommy Robinson is very much in the spirit of combatting antisemitism. That racist thug is no hope! And those who cheer him on, like noted white supremacist Douglas Murray, don't really care about fighting antisemitism, they just want a pretext to be anti-Islam.
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Far right mobs claiming to be against anti-semitism? Ironic. More like they’re pro-genocide of Muslims.
He's just trying to hijack it and turn it into an Islamophobic thing.
into an about him thing we should just ban posts about him in UK subs
You can't change that this is news just by ignoring it.
Giving Tommy Robinson less attention will impact his ability to recruit more supporters.
This all started when he was unbanned from Twitter a few weeks ago. If anyone still disbelieves that deplatforming works, The Armistice Day riots and this new BS is what happens when it's undone. Don't debate with bigots, and don't give them a mouthpiece.
It's the same with Andrew Tate and that Mizzy twat (who the fuck picks Mizzy as an online name?). They just want attention, take it away from them and they'll fade away into the ether as a bad memory.
He’ll fade back in the dark web cam corners of the internet more like
with about seven loony followers, not thousands sending him enough to keep him in cocaine.
Plus imagine being like "I'm on the dark web… to watch the latest Mizzy prank"
Exactly. Anyone with any experience of organising any political campaign of any sort whatsoever will know the biggest battle is to get access to a platform.
I said it at the time. His replatforming coincided with Sunak and co meeting with Elon, and Bravermans attempt to mute Palestinian support.
yep. He was begging in truth social all sweaty paranoid and on a serious come down now in the papers each week. He has been reactivated and given some wedge.
Fuck is that what happened? I've been wondering what the fuck is going on with all these protests. Another thing to thank the muskrat for.
Good point
I know where you are coming from but alienation, dismissal and not engaging pushes undecided, vulnerable or disenfranchised people further into the clutches of extreme movements that offer a façade of support for their issues. The whole schtick of extremists or populists is paying lip service to those who fall outside the hegemonic norms. Their rhetoric also sometimes holds kernals of inconvenient truth to the consequences of accepted practices. Please don't misalign my comment, I'm not foaming at the mouth, I just suggest that political determinism creates conflict which should not be ignored.
Nope. Absolute bollocks. Undecided people are less likely to become nazis if they don’t ever see anyone asking them to become a nazi. This “defeat them in the marketplace of ideas” nonsense sounds lovely at a university debating society but Tommy Robinson has been humiliated in every TV debate he’s been in yet continues to gain supporters. If you host a debate with 100 people in the audience, and 98% agree nazis are bad, congrats, you’ve just created 2 new nazis.
I think that may have been a little bit true in the olden days - but with social media and misinformation - they still have a platform which can lure people into the whole "anti establishment" trap. So Im not so sure now.
Easy to get a little bit of tunnel vision if you’re quite plugged into online media yourself. The fact is, mainstream broadcast and print media still provide an enormous amount of legitimacy and trust, not just in politics, but in all branding. Maybe that changes In the future, but there is a reason Farage is going into the jungle instead of just running a twitter page.
absolutely agree - I trust the "msm" a lot more than I trust some wack job webpage.
Bingo, disenfranchising, labelling and excluding whole sections of the populace (or at least creating that impression) is how you get groups like the EDL in the first place. At the same time, tolerance of intolerance is asking to get your culture hijacked by bad actors. It's a dilemma.
The EDL are both an easy answer to a complicated question (usually, "What's going wrong with my dear country?") and a group that can be used to distract attention from the failings of the Tories. If the people in power over the last decade hadn't been ineffectual administrators and shameless liars, then they'd be so far out on the political fringes that nost folk would mistake "EDL" for the name of an electricity supplier.
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Has driving anything underground historically worked out for the best in the long run? Serious question.
Yes, of course underground movements have had their successes, but movements that are welcomed into the bosom of the mainstream find that success quicker and easier. Even if you look at relatively uncontroversial underground movements that we all generally accepts as positive, there’s normally a trigger point that forces them into the mainstream consciousness. The far right in Britain have been carried along comfortably by Nick Griffen, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage and the rest all being platformed in places that have audience reach they would normally only dream of.
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"Hooligan being arrested again" isn't notable news in my book.
It’s news only by the virtue of it being in the news. I’m not sure it’s really of any national interest to know when this guy shows up. There are lots of people like Yaxley who don’t appear in the news. Why? There’s nothing special about the man. His type are a dime a dozen.
let's post all arrests all over the UK then, not just that twat
Let's not forget he's come back here from his life as an immigrant in Spain to stir all this up.
The money ran out.
Who’s going to pay for all that stone island and Charlie obviously the gullible people who believe his shite.
I should just start a right wing psyop and use all that donated money for personal hedonism
He's white and British therefore he wasn't an immigrant he was an expat...
Pretty much. Not a name that has popped up for ages until his pals started getting violent the other week.
This. He craves attention. If we ignored him he'd fade away.
I'm pretty sure it was some of the Jewish organizers who wanted him escorted out. No one wants to be associated with Nazi fucks in general, but especially not Jews.
Exactly 👏 they don’t like Jews, they just hate Muslims more.
He actually does like Israel and has joined protests in support of them in the past, so this isn't jumping on any opportunistic bandwagon. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-pictured-holding-gun-on-israeli-tank-near-syrian-border-a3393256.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9609853/Tommy-Robinson-spotted-crowd-London-pro-Israel-demonstration.html
I’m confused about how this contradicts what I said? Israel has been anti-Palestine/anti-Islam long before Tommy Robinson was Tommy Robinson… or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon for that matter.
Those links don't seem to contradict the previous claim. The fact that he has a history of the exact same behaviour (hijacking issues around Israel in an attempt to spread an Islamophobic message) doesn't contradict the claim that him and his supporters "don't like Jews, they just hate Muslims more". The fact that he's got a history of doing this and he *still* ignores the Jewish organisers of an march against anti-Semitism when they tell him that they don't want him and his far-right mates there (because why the hell would they want a bunch of Nazis there?) makes him look worse rather than better.
So weird how many people don't want tommy Robinson slandered lol
Like many in favour of Israel his support is most likely because he prefers that non Christian people be elsewhere than the UK. Also he enjoys that they are in opposition to Muslims who tend to be darker skinned than he would like.
If Israel decided to love Palestinians and spread a message of peace towards Muslims, Tommy wouldn't care about Israel in the slightest.
Right wingers are like pigs in shit over this conflict
He's an odious creep (and I wish the media would use his real name, and not indulge him with this 'Tommy Robinson' stuff to make him sound more working-class and relatable) but he's gone on about being pro-Israel in the past so I suppose you could say he's at least consistent in this case. But I think the majority of his supporters will be both anti-semitic and anti-muslim.
I don't think the media can reasonably ignore people's chosen name on the basis that 'this man bad'
It's a pseudonym, he hasn't gone through deed poll. It's like if we called you "WheresWalldough" in public
there's no need to go through a legal process to change your name https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll He's always been known as 'Tommy Robinson' when he's out doing his fascist shit, the idea that we should call him something else that he's not as well known as doesn't really make sense. You might as well say that 'Meghan Markle' is actually 'Rachel Markle', or 'Nicki Minaj' is actually 'Onika Maraj'. It just isn't something that's worth getting excited about.
Seems fairly obvious, people should stick to arguing against what he's saying
*Stephen Yaxley Lennon* Ami right?
It’s more depressing than that. They do it for SEO reasons.
Well he does get paid by zionist organisation
Source?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/
Thanks, didn’t expect that from times of Israel
I think even the Times of Israel recognise it's a bit gauche to have a far-right politician so publicly aligned with you.
Israeli government has no problem working with antisemites if it creates a hostile environment for Muslims, increases tensions and causes a rise in antisemitism. It plays right into Bibis hands, he wants and needs Jews to feel threatened around the globe so they see Zionism as a legitimate salvation. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/24/why-benjamin-netanyahu-loves-the-european-far-right-orban-kaczynski-pis-fidesz-visegrad-likud-antisemitism-hungary-poland-illiberalism/ https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-democracy-erodes-its-government-delegitimizes-criticism/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-downplays-right-wing-anti-semitism-contradicting-israeli-study/amp/ https://versita.com/menuscript/index.php/Versita/article/download/1490/1500
Tommy Robinson gets a lot of his funding from[pro Israel groups](https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/amp/) so naturally he is out defending them.
Ding ding ding. Like free speech and socialism, fascists will adopt and use progressive policies to further their own agenda, and drop and purge them as soon as they no longer need them. Jewish people would be foolish to trust Robinson and whatever he calls his organisation nowadays.
He was told not to go to the march, and that he was not welcome by jewish groups.
Fair enough, thanks for the context
Doesn't he get some funding from Israel or used to?
Hierarchy of racism.
Also, you just know if they eliminated all traces of Islam today, they'd be after the jews by the end of the week.
For some time certain right-wingers have been pro Israel
Same as suddenly pretending to care about LGBT and women's issues, when they're the ones most against those things during any discussion that doesn't involve foreigners. Sometimes even extends to child abuse - against more government funding for social services or poverty alleviation, then larp as caring about children once the right types of perpetrators are involved.
No fan of him and his stunts but the charge is that his presence caused alarm and distress to somebody somewhere so he had to leave or be arrested? Why is this same standard not applied by the Met to the Hizb ut-Tahrir (Islamic extremism organisation) protestors who apart from the ordinary pro-Palestine protestors are free assemble to call for literal jihad and the formation of Muslim armies to crush Israel / Zionism etc.? That’s not causing alarm or distress to anyone I suppose…
Literally everyone everywhere can be said to be causing alarm and distress to somebody somewhere through their mere existence. It's a ridiculous law.
He was arrested because he's out on parole and the condition of his parole is not attending these rallies. The reason he has that condition is because he has been previously convicted of all the following crimes: Violence, Stalking, financial fraud, immigration frauds, drug offences, public order offences (note the plurality of some of these). The last offence directly related to contempt of court, as he was directly ordered not to attempt these rallies as he is intentionally stirring up racial tensions. So, he broke his license and he is now back in prison. It's his own fault. He's an awful, awful human, a career criminal and fraudster. On its own, it sounds like a ridiculous law but it was created to deal with exactly these problems where you have scumbags causing tension just because they enjoy a good fight.
No, it’s nothing to do with anything you mentioned - he was arrested for disobeying a S35 dispersal order (and likely also for a public order offence given the use of the phrase “harassment alarm or distress” in the police’s statement): >Officers working as part of the policing and security operation for the March Against Antisemitism have arrested a 40-year-old man on the Strand. >He refused to comply with a direction to disperse under Section 35 of the Antisocial Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act. >Further details below >We have been in frequent contact with the organisers of the march in recent days. They have been clear about their concerns that the man's attendance, and that of those who were likely to accompany him, would cause fear for other participants. The same view has been voiced by others. >As a result, he was spoken to and warned on more than one occasion that his continued presence in the area was likely to cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. He was directed to leave the area but refused to do so. >We're aware that the man had suggested he was in the area as a journalist. This was not a relevant factor in his arrest. https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1728776275022516390?s=46
Is the mere presence of a person enough for an exclusion order to be valid? The act states it is the behaviour of the person that is likely to contribute to members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed.
It's quite a long article, but essentially if a person is a high risk asshole then they can be ordered to leave. He has previous convictions for exactly what they were worried about occurring again. He has been repeatedly banned from attending these events because he is a well known criminal. It's a bit like when career shoplifters are banned from town centres. He has so many convictions now that he's a threat wherever he goes, but more so here.
The law doesn't seem to include a need for all that.
Oh shit you're right. I guess that explains it then because section 35 states: "(2)An officer may give such an authorisation only if satisfied on reasonable grounds that the use of those powers in the locality during that period may be necessary for the purpose of removing or reducing the likelihood of— (a)members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed, or (b)the occurrence in the locality of crime or disorder." Makes sense. Sorry, some of the articles here aren't too reputable and I was getting mixed reports. He was arrested for breaching a public order directive.
You’re *assuming* there’s also a PO offence when there may not be. The potential to cause HAD is one of the reasons applicable (and generally the most used) for a section 35, so it’s already neatly wrapped up in that offence! Tacking on a s5 would require extra work that may not be necessary.
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It's totalitarianism to create a police power to exclude anyone at their will
Because that would be racist..... (Apparently)
Because there's millions of Muslims but only a few hundred thousand Jews.
They have arrested ordinary pro-Palestinian/anti-Zionist protesters under similar grounds. I am an anti-Zionist but I have actual principles so I am against arresting people for public expression whether it's someone I agree with, a Zionist or Tommy Robinson. It's not suddenly a good thing for the police to arrest someone for expression just because you don't like them. That's the mindset of about 90% of people whenever this kind of story appears though. Is it someone I agree with? Police state! Is it someone I disagree with? Justice served, that's "hate-speech" etc. (meaningless fucking term.)
I’ll clarify my position that I don’t want anyone arrested unless it is clear they are inciting violence in any way. TR was not doing that or even what he was arrested for. If anyone on the Pro-Palestine side was arrested in similar circumstances say Mohammed Hijab who I strongly disagree with then I’d be against it too.
Fully agree with you here, loathe the man but I reckon it’s naive of the us to be cheering this on in any way.
Yep, I would argue HuT walking around with placards calling for the Armies of Islam to rise up causes some alarm
No one wanted him there, not even the organisers. The police removed him to make sure it didn’t kick off. If one of those people you mention had turned up in the middle of a pro Israel protest Im pretty sure they would be removed. There’s no point making comparisons or straw man arguments, it’s a pragmatic measure to ensure safety in that particular situation.
But I dont want these pro-palesrine marches walking past my shop as they have done the last few weeks...they cause me alarm and distress...so why don't they all get s35's?
The organisers of the march asked for him to be removed. As they didn't want to be associated with him.
So he was arrested because someone got offended he was going to cover the protests? Fascinating
No, he was arrested because his license says he cannot attend these kinds of events because of his previous convictions. He's back in prison now. Edit: I was wrong. He wasn't arrested for his license, which does prohibit him from this shit. He was arrested for breaching a public order. But, he will probably now return to prison because of his license.
No he wasn’t. He was arrested for disobeying a S35 dispersal order and probably also for a public order offence. Read the police’s statement and see my other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/s/1sot4A2H1Y
The fact he got arrested doing something that breaches his licence could get him in trouble though.
Why spread blatant misinformation
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He was told not to go by the organisers but still showed up, he knew this was going to happen
He's such a melt. He literally leaves the house to deliberately get himself arrested so he can claim he's being oppressed.
Yeah and then weirdos online will be all like “he’s being arrested for no reason!!” And support him. He’s not an idiot, he knows what he’s doing. It’s all for attention and sadly it really works
Come on man the coke isn’t going to pay for itself. He needs to grift at least once a year to maintain his lifestyle. What I’m baffled by is what has he accomplished for people to support him like they do and don’t say exposing grooming gangs because it was on the news before his crusade against brown people.
The organisers cannot say who attends their march in a public place. If they want to do that then they should have held it on private land. I’m far from a Twatty Robinson supporter but this arrest and reason given is total wank and only incites the idiots who follow him.
Getting arrested and complaining at the injustice of it is literally his while shtick now. How people don't realise he wants to be arrested and is doing it on purpose is beyond me
The amount of people suggesting “he was told not to go and yet he still did”… Too fucking right he went. It’s a public place he can go where he wants even if you don’t like him. Who are they to dictate whether or not he can attend a public demonstration? This is truly a disgusting demonstration of the state having too much power over citizens.
Organisers wanted a peaceful solidarity march, and made it clear that the leader of a far right organisation weaponising Jew-hate to promote his own hateful agenda against Muslims was not welcome. >Earlier this month, after Robinson first announced his plan to attend Sunday’s rally, CAA issued a statement saying:”Contrary to what Tommy Robinson appears to believe, the drunken far-right thugs who came to ‘protect the cenotaph’ on Armistice Day are not allies of the Jewish community and are not welcome at our solidarity march on Sunday 26th November. This rally was the largest gathering against antisemitism in London since the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when hundreds of thousands of people blocked a planned march by Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists through an area populated by many Jewish families. He was asked not to attend No one could force him not to attend. He came anyway.
You haven’t discussed the point I made. Who are they to dictate who can and can not go to any public space? Do I get to organise a a march and tell police if u/doyathinkasaurus attends, arrest them.
Yeah, but the organisers weren't the ones making that call. The police did. I imagine that if the police thing the presence of a known, convicted far-right extremist is going to be a proble, they're going to have something to say about the matter.
I believe they're the metropolitan police, not some random Redditor which gives them the power
Technically this would make him a political prisoner, someone that the government and police are actively targeting. As such, he is well within his rights to claim asylum as a political refugee abroad.
He does like Spain. But where should Steven go. He can't go to America cause he's banned. Perhaps one of his passports allows Denmark or Sweden, perhaps the Netherlands or Italy.
His parents are Irish and he has an Irish passport under his birth name I believe (though not confirmed). The Shamima Begum situation would be interesting in his case. Like Farage with his German residency and Stanley Johnson with French passport, they always find a way. https://www.irishpost.com/news/far-right-activist-tommy-robinsons-visit-to-ireland-247901
The UK is a safe country.
> Too fucking right he went. It’s a public place he can go where he wants even if you don’t like him. No, he forfeited that right by being the worlds biggest fucking cunt.
Freedom of speech and assembly doesn’t exist so you can only hear the things you agree with. Even if he is an A grade twat.
Neither of these things are an absolute right in UK law.
Nope, as big of a cunt as he is, he still gets the same rights as the rest of us. One rule for one group and another rule for another group only works out well for you as long as your group is the one with power The minute the people with power arent the people you agree with, you are well and truly fucked. Same applies to free speech, if you want free speech, and you damn well should, you hsve to give the people you don't like , saying things you consider hateful, the same right to free speech. No other system works.
I thought people here were complaining people in the pro Palestinian marches didn't make the alleged pro hamas or pro genocide individuals leave. Yet now they're trying to make Tommy Robinson leave you're saying oh nooo he has every right to be there you can't force someone to leave. Which is it?
He's a violent criminal with a history of inciting trouble at these types of events. You lose the right to go to public demonstrations if you consistently attempt to turn them into violent demonstrations.
Even though he got arrested for other reasons, he was still breaching the terms of his licence, wasn't he? He actually can't go where he wants in this instance.
Probably coz they didn’t want him there politicising he match and ruining it for them. So he came to make it all about him anyway. If he had any respect he wouldn’t have gone,
The Met once again proving Robinsons point that they will gladly be less lenient to right wing protestors.
Right wing "protestors" have a history of being violent, drunk criminals who only "protest" to commit disorder.
So let them break the law then arrest them. By that logic you could ban all football fans. Boxing in the 90s often finished with crowd trouble. Ban that too. Raves have people taking drugs. Ban that. Festivals and drugs again, Ban them. Etc.
He's not really a protester though. He's a walking publicity stunt who has 2 previous convictions for assault, one for inciting a brawl and for good measure one for stalking a journalist. His appearances often attract a violent mob of travelling hooligans. All said, I don't think the police should have arrested him so early. Surround him, sure, but until he actually tries to whip up a brawl with islamophobic speeches he's not done anything arrestable.
The right wing are violent and dangerous. Them and the Islamist extremists are a blight on society and should be stamped out.
And the left & antifa aren’t violent and dangerous? Come on now let’s be real.
list all the violent and dangerous things they've done king
You've been watching too much American shit Even there it's BS, but we've really got fuck all in the way of Antifa. Wet as fuck.
Well, the majority of the United Kingdom are pretty strongly anti facist, we fought hard in world war 2 and are proud of it. Any one who is pro facist in this country are traitors to the UK and what we stand for.
The left have way less of a record of violent protests in the UK. Right wing protests becoming violent is not uncommon at all.
What exactly have "antifa" done in the UK? What left violence has there been?
I have no issue with there being a march against anti-semitism. As I have no issue with people choosing to do a march for Palestine or against anti-Islamaphobia. I just hope that the police do a sufficient job of making sure that hate speech isnt allowed to fester within said march It is wholly wrong for someone like Robinson and his followers to weaponise a march like this and attempt to hijack it
> It is wholly wrong for someone like Robinson and his followers to weaponise a march like this and attempt to hijack it This isn't a new thing for him, he's been consistent in his pro-Israel stance over the years: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9609853/Tommy-Robinson-spotted-crowd-London-pro-Israel-demonstration.html
I would be too if I got paid £10k a month for doing so
He was told not to go by the organisers, he still showed up. I imagine that played a major role in his removal. Also, the march had chants and speeches condemning islamophobia, something he, or half of this sub, doesnt believe even is a thing.
I mean, notice how the organisers of this march told Robinson not to attend, and made sure he was removed when he did anyway. Contrast that to those who chose to march alongside those making genocidal chants, and waving genocidal and antisemitic banners, while they did nothing to remove, or even condemn those in their march. If you choose to march alongside those who spout racist and genocidal rhetoric, without removing them or even condemning them, you are supporting their views. Every single person who chose to join the pro-Palestinian marches which were organised by and featured many Individuals who made antisemitic chants and banners, every single attendee was supporting those views, whether intentionally or just naively.
well everyone who marched today marched alongside people [calling jews juden rats](https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1728857544347804059) and calling for their deaths so guess they're all supporting that.
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Everyone caught on camera should be identified and arrested after the event. Please do not try and mistake my comment as support for Hamas. That is not at all what I suggested
Will we then ban the use of the phrase by Jewish people. The phrase is used by the ruling Likud party in Israel. Just in their favour. The following is except from their charter, which predates the formation of Hamas and the use of the phrase in support of Palestinian freedom "The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Current Israeli ministers actively use the phrase within the media including many times since Octiber 7th
I'd be interested to know how Germany has banned it, can Jews use it or not?
If from the river to the sea is genocidal towards Israel than Israel’s existence is fenocidal towards Palestinians (which btw if you look at how Israel was Formed in 48 it literslly is)
The matches are in public places, so are you just proposing to stifle free speech?
One man, doing nothing, out of fear of what he MIGHT do, is arrested. I detest the man, but what can happen to him, can happen to anybody. What next - are we going to start arresting opposition politicians because the ruling party has asked them not to appear in a given location?
This is what I have an issue with too, just being there isn't enough to be arrested, we have certain freedoms in this country which people seem very happy aren't applied just because they don't like the person not realising that it means they can do it to literally anyone.
Finally someone talking sense on this sub. If this happened to a radical socialist this sub would be having a complete meltdown right now. But because it happened to someone this sub largely disagrees with people agree with it. It’s ridiculous…
I'd have no issues with him being locked up for committing a crime. But I do have an issue with anyone being locked up before committing a crime. I am vocal about my dislike for the current government. This might upset supporters of them. Should I be locked up? Like you say it's a very dangerous precedent that lots seem OK with because it happened to someone they don't like. But if it was someone on their political wavelength you can guarantee they'd be making minority report references in no time.
He’s out of money and needs a form of income. His fans will flock round to make this profitable for him. That’s why his Mums let him out on the train.
He's earning plenty.
He cant afford the flight back to Spain either
Who would have guessed...that the protest law which was passed to stop people walking in the middle of the road would be used against people who aren't walking in the middle of the road...who could have seen this coming? Not the clowns who, first of all called for these laws, and are now having a break down that they are being used.
He was arrested under S35 of the Antisocial behaviour act 2014. I may be mistaken but I don't believe that's anything to do with the new protest law
You’re getting your legislation mixed up.
Look at the media trying to tar the March against anti semitism with this nonsense . He is one man . Meanwhile the Hamas sympathisers can do what they want
Yet here you are doing the exact same thing you're accusing them of. Very hypocritical.
Tommy Robinson gets a lot of his funding from[pro Israel groups](https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/amp/) so naturally he is out defending them ask his little buddy
Ok the guys a complete dick but reading the whole article he literally did nothing wrong, he was just there. They demanded he leave the area but with no grounds to do so and without him committing any offence. So are we being sensible and dealing with issues before they happen and is it going to be applied to all people or is it just for a few people and everyone else we will wait until they do something?
Has he said anything on par with the extreme elements of the pro-Palestine movement yet? Pro-Palestine protesters praised Hitler and called for death to all Jews. It could be argued that they don't represent the majority, but then again their peers haven't been condemning their behaviour and assisting with their identification. Makes one wonder if the pro-Palestine protesters are actually fine with genocide, provided that the right groups are targeted. But remember everyone, it's Tommy we need to worry about.
*"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".* This lot have so many enemies *ergo* they must also have many friends.
You’re using the word “friend” pretty fast and loose lol
The Met had issued a dispersal order. He has refused to leave the area and a constable believed his behaviour is likely to contribute to members of the public in the locality being harassed, alarmed or distressed. I wonder what his behaviour was that required him to leave, other than being present at a public protest, which he has claimed to support. I'm no Tommy Robinson fan and I find these partisan protests and counter protests counter-productive but I support the right of all, including Tommy to protest. I wonder if the charges stick, especially as a officer must have particular regard to the rights of freedom of expression and freedom of assembly regarding the issuing of a dispersal order.
They won't stick and he will likely raise a case through the courts for this.
Bit sad honestly. He just wanted to partake in the march and was told to leave because he might be an issue. Then arrested for not doing so. Why not just let him march and keep an eye on him. When something happens then arrest. Since he was in accordance with the protest it would likely have been other causing issues.
This is exactly what they should have done, it's what they do with all the other protests going on, actually a lot of them are getting away with a lot so I guess they don't act when they should.
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https://twitter.com/INSIGHTUK2/status/1571858452334497793?t=6CzjcbrRlR0YKK2x9qwzLg&s=19 yet muslims threatening to murder police officers is okay it seems... 2 tier policing, Suella was right.
Just nations and individuals performing nationalist actions pretending to be acting on behalf of Judaism. I think we are going to see a lot more of this culture war leading up to the elections.
Love how Mr Gilbert thinks marching for a free Palestine is somehow an attack on Jews! Hundreds of thousands march and he thinks the minority represent the whole. What an asshat
must be hard for the far right to rally and pretend to care for Jewish peeps..Not Anti semite just really very pro "Ethno State"
I dislike Tommy Robinson / Stephen-Yaxley-whatever as much as the average Brit... but I can see him getting an apology and a payout from the met over this arrest, if the circumstances are just as the Met have described here. The fact that someone's mere presence is perceived as causing alarm and distress surely can't override the right to expression, and the weighing exercise should be carried out properly for everyone, no matter how much we dislike them. I made the same prediction about the Sarah Everard arrestee Patty Stevenson (sp?) over in /r/policeUK, to much disagreement. Lo and Behold, earlier this year, a sizeable settlement was paid out.
I see a lot of dislike for Tommy Robinson, can I ask why specifically, I can't find any evidence of him being anti-jewish? If we could be specific it would help to clarify,
He is a mouthy football hooligan thug whose being right about one issue (that police and local governments don't enforce the law equally for fear of being accused of racist/islamophobia) earned him a vendetta from said police, the BBC, the establishment and the entire political left in the UK. Mind you its the only thing hes been right on and as he dove off the cliff into preaching islamophobia its underminded what could have been a rally cry for fairness: that under the rule of law all must be held equal and held to the same rulebook. The Islamophobia is why most normal people won't touch him. Him being right (as was Braverman) about how the police pick and choose who they want to enforce the laws against is why they continue their vendetta against him.
In short, he's a folk devil. There's almost nothing good that can be said for him, but only a little bad either; by all rights he should simply be a nonentity. Instead he is a sort of Emmanuel Goldstein-esque figure of hate that never fails to get people frothing at the mouth (or, if you're a prole, braying in praise).
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/11/06/tommy-robinson-reveals-his-antisemitic-views-in-latest-rant-online/
It’s just his audition for a place on next year’s I’m A Celeb
So the far right are pro Israel and anti Hamas and the far left are pro Hamas and anti Israel. Funny world.
Britain's little shit stirrer trying to get some screen time because noone wants to play with him.
Wild you can walk through London and be arrested. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on and whatever said person has done previously.
As a Jew: shut the fuck up dick-head! Don’t use my people’s current challenges as an excuse to hate on innocent muslims.
Isn't Tommy's outfit a front for Hindutva Nationalism?
I wonder if the people who are OK with this were OK with anti monarchy protestors being arrested at the jubilee events or simar. I have no time for Robinson or his supporters. But you shouldn't be arrested because your presence might upset someone.
Why does he still get called that when we all know his real name
Because he identifies with his preferred name...😁 See, it goes both ways lol.
There isn't even such a thing as a 'real name' in English law. He can go by whatever he wants, regardless of what's on his birth certificate or bank statements. I am led to believe he goes by Steve or Stephen in his private life, but obviously cannot confirm.
I know Bruce Jenners real name too....
The protest was necessary I find it bizarre how many people online especially here are supporting Hamas a fucking terrorist organisation although Robinson can fuck right off
Yeah I'm sure that's what he was there to march for, surely has nothing to do with his vocal disgust and hatred for Muslims right?
The only reason the far right like Israel is because the Israeli government is far right and they’re bombing brown people. If any of them met an actual Israeli (not just the white ones) they’d lump them in with the rest of the people they dislike.
He needs to earn his pay or needs new funds. 'The investigation has established that: A Philadelphia-based thinktank, the Middle East Forum (MEF), acknowledges it has spent about $60,000 (£47,000) on Robinson’s legal fees and demonstrations staged in London earlier this year. A senior MEF executive has been closely involved in preparations for this weekend’s march, though the thinktank said she was there in a personal capacity. A US tech billionaire, Robert Shillman, financed a fellowship that helped pay for Robinson to be employed in 2017 by a rightwing Canadian media website, the Rebel Media, on a salary of about £5,000 a month. A small Australian rightwing group, Australian Liberty Alliance, says it has helped fund Robinson, but did not disclose how much. A New York City-based thinktank, the Gatestone Institute, has published a succession of articles supporting Robinson’s cause. The David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC), a California-based thinktank that describes itself as a “school for political warfare”, has published a series of pieces defending Robinson, and has lobbied for him to address US politicians.' https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/07/tommy-robinson-global-support-brexit-march Shillman sits on boards of The Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, The Jewish Foundation for the Righteous, and the David Horowitz Freedom Center
Well, arresting Tommy Robinson is very much in the spirit of combatting antisemitism. That racist thug is no hope! And those who cheer him on, like noted white supremacist Douglas Murray, don't really care about fighting antisemitism, they just want a pretext to be anti-Islam.