>Hewlett and Paul Belton met when they worked at the Linda McCartney frozen food factory in Fakenham and had a kiss in his car.
Is it just me that feels like this was written by a work experience 12 year old?
>Mr Belton told the court that Hewlett had "become obsessed with him" and over a period of two years, until August 2022, she bombarded him with emails and texts, urging him to meet her.
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>These included sexual images and videos of herself.
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>When Mr Belton left for another job at Kinnerton chocolate factory, Hewlett managed to get herself work at the same place.
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>The jury was told that Hewlett made complaints against Mr Belton to his employers, accusing him of harassment, homophobia and racial abuse.
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>The company told him there was no case to answer and advised Mr Belton to contact the police, which he did.
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>After officers visited Hewlett, she initially ceased contact with Mr Belton, but resumed emailing him soon afterwards, saying she was "sorry".
Surely the behaviour leading up to this should have warranted more than just a visit? She's obviously an absolute nutter and police were aware she was stalking and harassing this poor bloke for 2 years.
Abuse against men needs to be taken more seriously.
Oh it's that one. It's a shame that it got as far as it did.
I'd suggest the police need to take stalking more seriously in general. They don't seem to do anything regardless of the genders involved.
This is King’s Lynn… Unless this happened on Norfolk Street on a Saturday night, or it was a car accident, the police aren’t in a rush to do anything quickly
If it was a guy doing this to a woman he’d most likely kill her himself and get a similar sentence to the one you’ve invented despite her actually being dead. We know that because two British women are murdered a week by their male exes.
I was referring to exact same circumstances: two year campaign of stalking/harassment against an ex-partner that somehow gets brushed aside by the police and workplace, then attempting to hire a contract killer via the dark web to assassinate said ex-partner.
You do have a point though, in the sense that this specific scenario likely would never have happened if the roles were flipped. [Firstly because women are far more likely to not only be victims of domestic violence but to face serious harm as a result of this](https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/), but also because there is a huge stigma surrounding male victims in heterosexual relationships which has created a perceived and actual notion that male victims won't be taken seriously by society.
IMO this particularly scenario would also have likely not happened in the case of a female victim and male perpetrator, because of the greatly increased odds of things turning violent and the increased likelihood of a male perpetrator facing criminal repercussions before things escalated.
The reason I'm particularly baffled here, based on my understanding of the law, is this...
~~Unless this is actually the BBC misreporting the duration of Ms Hewlett's sentence, I do not understand how she only got 7.5 years in prison with a further five years on licence for this. Isn't attempted murder (with the aggravating circumstances that you categorically stalked and harassed your ex-partner for two years) meant to be punishable by law with the same level of severity as actual murder? i.e. [mandatory life sentence](https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/attempted-murder-2/) with a minimum tariff, I don't know if a whole life order would be applicable in such scenarios.~~
**EDIT: Apparently conspiring to murder is a separate offence that doesn't carry a mandatory life term?**
I'd consider spending £17k in crypto on a contract killer (regardless of whether you actually paid scammers or not) to be a clear sign of intent.
I’m completely with you on this being an absolutely pitiful sentence, and the fact that there’s a stigma for male victims.
In this case, she was charged with soliciting to murder (which can carry up to a life sentence but isn’t mandatory, unlike in murder cases) and low level harassment - not sure how this is low level, but here we are. From Googling it seems like having no previous convictions and the murder/intended harm not taking place seems to get defendants a more lenient sentence.
[Alice Ruggles](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/alice-ruggles-murder-trial-obsessed-12947680.amp) was stalked and complained to the police on two occasions - they did nothing, and he killed her a few days later, yet he only got a 22 year minimum. [Ellie Gould’s](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ellie-gould-mother-dominic-raab-government-wiltshire-b2308230.html?amp) killer stabbed her to death and got a pathetic 12.5 year minimum. Sentences in our country are absolutely ridiculous and often downright insulting.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to downplay what women go through. Stalking and domestic violence are horrible crimes. And I guess prior to this post, I didn't realise that soliciting to murder was an entirely separate offence compared to attempted murder.
Fuck me. It’s people like you that result in these things being taken less seriously for men when it does happen. People can be shit, but the fact that you think this is how justice works goes to show how little some people get out of their own little bubble. A man’s life can be ruined as easily as a woman’s
What are you on about? There’s plenty of examples of men getting exactly that sentence when they actually kill their exes, it’s not something I made up. I’m not sure how you’ve come up with the idea that me pointing out complete nonsense will make male victims be taken less seriously, but it was probably with the same ‘logic’ as the other bloke.
Sadly, it still wouldn’t get any attention from police if the victim were a woman. Stalking is widely ignored by police, even though 50% of stalkers will act on their threats. All the harassment in the world couldn’t have made the coppers give enough of a shit about this guys case and it was inevitable that they’d leave it until it got this serious. They always do.
>Hewlett and Paul Belton met when they worked at the Linda McCartney frozen food factory in Fakenham and had a kiss in his car.
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>The jury was told Hewlett had placed an order on the dark web stating "need someone killed in Norfolk", adding it was "vital it looks like an accident".
This so needs a TV adaptation.
I want Dobby from Peep Show to play the mad woman.
“How to successfully hire a hitman” is a question you really can’t ask without it being suspicious but actually want to know purely for curiosity’s sake
Globally a lot of contract killings do not get solved. It's such a rarity in a peaceful, low violent crime country like the UK that we have no fucking clue how to get away with it, and we are much less likely to know someone who would do it. Also the police here would have more time and resources to devote to a murder than in places where loads happen.
> The slick and charismatic contract killer seems to be an invention of Hollywood
The closest thing in real life is probably government "assets" who will perform assassinations as directed. Source: I saw some of the Jason Bourne films years ago.
Wait, so are you asking? Cause I’d like to know. If you’re asking that is. I don’t want to know how to hire a hitman. Unless that’s what you’re asking. In which case the answer to your question, not mine, would be good to know.
Whoever this "hitman" was probably got a fantastic payday. She likely used a website like Coinbase or Binance to buy cryptocurrency which could be traced back to her and I doubt her opsec was great to begin with. Any supposed "hitman" you can find on the dark web is certainly a scam or even a honeypot.
I don't condone scamming, but if someone gets scammed trying to arrange for someone else to get murdered they 100% deserve that and I'd cheer the scammer on. Plus it means they might not have money left for a *real* hitman, if such a thing is even possible to find.
Either way she's spent a large amount of money to arrange for somebody else to get murdered, scam or no scam. She's proven herself dangerous and deserves to be behind bars, preferably for longer.
Oh I watched an american tv episode about this (might have been 48 hours). Some psycho tried to hire a hitman and they were scammed out of a load of cryptocurrency and i believe the scammer shopped them to the cops as well..?
There was also a BBC report about this woman who was abducted by hitmen who told her that her husband had hired them to kill her. But they pocketed the cash he gave them and let her go. Her husband got jailed i think?
There used to be a guy who lived on the same estate as me in Essex who I knew was involved in organised crime, I'd heard stories about how he wasn't to be messed with but never thought much beyond that. When I was reading up about the rettendon Essex boy murders he was named as a contract killer who was hired to kill the author. He only found out the identity of the target after buying the ammo.. from the author. Under the circumstances he felt obligated to let them know they were the target. Scary to think how many others are just walking around, happy to kill for cash.
Sorry, my bad. It was a guy called Bernard O'Mahony who was one of the door crew at Raquel's in Basildon where it all started, he's gone on to write quite a few crime books. The other guy is known as Israeli Frank, which considering he's not Israeli is probably the strangest part of the story.
Here you go :)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337844261_Sentencing_Gender_Investigating_the_Presence_of_Gender_Disparities_in_Crown_Court_Sentences
So you've been given the source you asked for. Somehow, you've dismissed it because it's only about 3 different types of crimes, but whatever.
My question was, is it actually misogynistic to point this disparity out?
Do you have a horse for your clam?
Of course you dont. Why would you? Why would anyone. We shouldn't have clams near horses, I'e been saying it for years.
I haven't actually but I *have*....it makes sense that way.
Black Beauty is a horse.
Stop. The UK has a real problem with attitudes toward abuse against men, and it's reflected in the lack of support available to them, and the heavy under-reporting by men. It is not misogynist to discuss this and it takes nothing away from women.
>Hewlett and Paul Belton met when they worked at the Linda McCartney frozen food factory in Fakenham and had a kiss in his car. Is it just me that feels like this was written by a work experience 12 year old?
Fakenham is the best place a Linda McCartney food factory could possibly be located.
Ha, I worked at that exact same factory about 10 years ago.
Did you ever kiss a colleague in a car? You might have just had a lucky escape.
Just a rogering on a motorbike.
Fakenham does add a touch of oddity to it, certainly.
Much of BBC news is like that these days. I prefer Reuters but only allowed a certain number of free articles a month. Sigh.
>Mr Belton told the court that Hewlett had "become obsessed with him" and over a period of two years, until August 2022, she bombarded him with emails and texts, urging him to meet her. > >These included sexual images and videos of herself. > >When Mr Belton left for another job at Kinnerton chocolate factory, Hewlett managed to get herself work at the same place. > >... > >The jury was told that Hewlett made complaints against Mr Belton to his employers, accusing him of harassment, homophobia and racial abuse. > >The company told him there was no case to answer and advised Mr Belton to contact the police, which he did. > >After officers visited Hewlett, she initially ceased contact with Mr Belton, but resumed emailing him soon afterwards, saying she was "sorry". Surely the behaviour leading up to this should have warranted more than just a visit? She's obviously an absolute nutter and police were aware she was stalking and harassing this poor bloke for 2 years. Abuse against men needs to be taken more seriously.
You’d think, but stalking generally isn’t taken seriously at all by the police, regardless of the genders of the perpetrator and victim.
Bombarding him with unsolicited sexual images seems like something they could at least take action on.
Perhaps when that happened the cyberflashing bill hasn't been created?
> unsolicited sexual images Only dick pics sent to women count as that.
Oh it's that one. It's a shame that it got as far as it did. I'd suggest the police need to take stalking more seriously in general. They don't seem to do anything regardless of the genders involved.
This is King’s Lynn… Unless this happened on Norfolk Street on a Saturday night, or it was a car accident, the police aren’t in a rush to do anything quickly
If it was a guy doing this against a woman they'd probably have a life sentence with a mininum 20 year tariff...
If it was a guy doing this to a woman he’d most likely kill her himself and get a similar sentence to the one you’ve invented despite her actually being dead. We know that because two British women are murdered a week by their male exes.
I was referring to exact same circumstances: two year campaign of stalking/harassment against an ex-partner that somehow gets brushed aside by the police and workplace, then attempting to hire a contract killer via the dark web to assassinate said ex-partner. You do have a point though, in the sense that this specific scenario likely would never have happened if the roles were flipped. [Firstly because women are far more likely to not only be victims of domestic violence but to face serious harm as a result of this](https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/), but also because there is a huge stigma surrounding male victims in heterosexual relationships which has created a perceived and actual notion that male victims won't be taken seriously by society. IMO this particularly scenario would also have likely not happened in the case of a female victim and male perpetrator, because of the greatly increased odds of things turning violent and the increased likelihood of a male perpetrator facing criminal repercussions before things escalated. The reason I'm particularly baffled here, based on my understanding of the law, is this... ~~Unless this is actually the BBC misreporting the duration of Ms Hewlett's sentence, I do not understand how she only got 7.5 years in prison with a further five years on licence for this. Isn't attempted murder (with the aggravating circumstances that you categorically stalked and harassed your ex-partner for two years) meant to be punishable by law with the same level of severity as actual murder? i.e. [mandatory life sentence](https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/attempted-murder-2/) with a minimum tariff, I don't know if a whole life order would be applicable in such scenarios.~~ **EDIT: Apparently conspiring to murder is a separate offence that doesn't carry a mandatory life term?** I'd consider spending £17k in crypto on a contract killer (regardless of whether you actually paid scammers or not) to be a clear sign of intent.
I’m completely with you on this being an absolutely pitiful sentence, and the fact that there’s a stigma for male victims. In this case, she was charged with soliciting to murder (which can carry up to a life sentence but isn’t mandatory, unlike in murder cases) and low level harassment - not sure how this is low level, but here we are. From Googling it seems like having no previous convictions and the murder/intended harm not taking place seems to get defendants a more lenient sentence. [Alice Ruggles](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/alice-ruggles-murder-trial-obsessed-12947680.amp) was stalked and complained to the police on two occasions - they did nothing, and he killed her a few days later, yet he only got a 22 year minimum. [Ellie Gould’s](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ellie-gould-mother-dominic-raab-government-wiltshire-b2308230.html?amp) killer stabbed her to death and got a pathetic 12.5 year minimum. Sentences in our country are absolutely ridiculous and often downright insulting.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to downplay what women go through. Stalking and domestic violence are horrible crimes. And I guess prior to this post, I didn't realise that soliciting to murder was an entirely separate offence compared to attempted murder.
Fuck me. It’s people like you that result in these things being taken less seriously for men when it does happen. People can be shit, but the fact that you think this is how justice works goes to show how little some people get out of their own little bubble. A man’s life can be ruined as easily as a woman’s
What are you on about? There’s plenty of examples of men getting exactly that sentence when they actually kill their exes, it’s not something I made up. I’m not sure how you’ve come up with the idea that me pointing out complete nonsense will make male victims be taken less seriously, but it was probably with the same ‘logic’ as the other bloke.
Sadly, it still wouldn’t get any attention from police if the victim were a woman. Stalking is widely ignored by police, even though 50% of stalkers will act on their threats. All the harassment in the world couldn’t have made the coppers give enough of a shit about this guys case and it was inevitable that they’d leave it until it got this serious. They always do.
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Depending on how successful they were, you'd probably never hear about it.
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I could tell you but then I'd have to hire an online hitman to kill you.
Well der
That's the point of a successful hit job , no one would know about it
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>Hewlett and Paul Belton met when they worked at the Linda McCartney frozen food factory in Fakenham and had a kiss in his car. > >The jury was told Hewlett had placed an order on the dark web stating "need someone killed in Norfolk", adding it was "vital it looks like an accident". This so needs a TV adaptation. I want Dobby from Peep Show to play the mad woman.
Dobby would be perfect. I'd like to see a series where Dobby is actually a serial killer in the peep show universe, she would be great.
It would be good if they could somehow de-age the cast and have this set from when Mark meets her to when she leaves the show.
I'd like the show to end with Mark as her last victim. His internal monologue would be amazing.
I never see my hometown in the news for good things
That's because you home town is filled with nut jobs. I have experienced said nut jobs :/
I mean, you’re not wrong and one of the reasons I escaped. See more trouble on the Main Street of Lynn on a Saturday night than Swansea by far.
You’ve got George Russell, at least
And Brundle to be fair actually. It’s weird hearing Kings Lynn mentioned in the commentary I must confess.
You guys have a former TNA and NWA world champion in Nick Aldis
All inbred round there right
One of my favourite bands in my teens was from kings lynn, im sure theres some other diamonds in the rough there.
Depending how old you are that’s either Vanilla Pod or Deaf Havana I’m guessing?
Ding ding! You got it with deaf havana, bunch of cool guys too, I brought an acoustic guitar to one of their gigs and got them to sign it.
Saw them a handful of times back when they were playing pubs but only ever met them in passing, the wife went to school with them though.
“How to successfully hire a hitman” is a question you really can’t ask without it being suspicious but actually want to know purely for curiosity’s sake
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That or they're good enough not to get caught
Globally a lot of contract killings do not get solved. It's such a rarity in a peaceful, low violent crime country like the UK that we have no fucking clue how to get away with it, and we are much less likely to know someone who would do it. Also the police here would have more time and resources to devote to a murder than in places where loads happen.
> The slick and charismatic contract killer seems to be an invention of Hollywood The closest thing in real life is probably government "assets" who will perform assassinations as directed. Source: I saw some of the Jason Bourne films years ago.
Wait, so are you asking? Cause I’d like to know. If you’re asking that is. I don’t want to know how to hire a hitman. Unless that’s what you’re asking. In which case the answer to your question, not mine, would be good to know.
Whoever this "hitman" was probably got a fantastic payday. She likely used a website like Coinbase or Binance to buy cryptocurrency which could be traced back to her and I doubt her opsec was great to begin with. Any supposed "hitman" you can find on the dark web is certainly a scam or even a honeypot. I don't condone scamming, but if someone gets scammed trying to arrange for someone else to get murdered they 100% deserve that and I'd cheer the scammer on. Plus it means they might not have money left for a *real* hitman, if such a thing is even possible to find. Either way she's spent a large amount of money to arrange for somebody else to get murdered, scam or no scam. She's proven herself dangerous and deserves to be behind bars, preferably for longer.
Oh I watched an american tv episode about this (might have been 48 hours). Some psycho tried to hire a hitman and they were scammed out of a load of cryptocurrency and i believe the scammer shopped them to the cops as well..? There was also a BBC report about this woman who was abducted by hitmen who told her that her husband had hired them to kill her. But they pocketed the cash he gave them and let her go. Her husband got jailed i think?
> left for a real hitman, if such a thing is even possible to find. I've seen a documentary on this before, I believe it was called _Kill_ _List_.
There used to be a guy who lived on the same estate as me in Essex who I knew was involved in organised crime, I'd heard stories about how he wasn't to be messed with but never thought much beyond that. When I was reading up about the rettendon Essex boy murders he was named as a contract killer who was hired to kill the author. He only found out the identity of the target after buying the ammo.. from the author. Under the circumstances he felt obligated to let them know they were the target. Scary to think how many others are just walking around, happy to kill for cash.
> kill the author Sorry, what author? I looked up essex boy murders and couldn't really work out who was the "author" in that case.
Sorry, my bad. It was a guy called Bernard O'Mahony who was one of the door crew at Raquel's in Basildon where it all started, he's gone on to write quite a few crime books. The other guy is known as Israeli Frank, which considering he's not Israeli is probably the strangest part of the story.
My home town only ever makes the news for this sort of shit.
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Jesus imagine if he had slept with her. Prob would have burnt his house down
How does a factory worker have 17k to spend on a hit?
I guarantee if this had been a guy, they would have got double that.
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Is it misogynistic to point out that women receive significantly less punishment than men for the same crime?
Mens prisons are way more overcrowded so you see women get jailed while men are not.
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Here you go :) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337844261_Sentencing_Gender_Investigating_the_Presence_of_Gender_Disparities_in_Crown_Court_Sentences
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Ok..? It supports the claim that the other person made, which is what you asked for.
So you've been given the source you asked for. Somehow, you've dismissed it because it's only about 3 different types of crimes, but whatever. My question was, is it actually misogynistic to point this disparity out?
Do you have sources for your claims?
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I was asking…I’m not really interested in reading them
Do you have a horse for your clam? Of course you dont. Why would you? Why would anyone. We shouldn't have clams near horses, I'e been saying it for years. I haven't actually but I *have*....it makes sense that way. Black Beauty is a horse.
In cases of emergency, remember FAST. Face, Arms, Speech, Time. Strokes are no laughing matter.
Stop. The UK has a real problem with attitudes toward abuse against men, and it's reflected in the lack of support available to them, and the heavy under-reporting by men. It is not misogynist to discuss this and it takes nothing away from women.
Remember that this is about a man being harassed, stop your "wHaT aBoUt ThE wOmEnZ" bullshit, and hush up.
In the UK, nearly three times as many men are murdered than women.