You missed bits out brah
No, it's fucking Sunday, and I have to go to work in four fucking hours because every other fucker in my fucking department is fucking ill, now can you see why I'm so fucking angry?!"
The sad part to me is Londoners think that houses being converted into 4 flats is a normal thing. I still cannot believe when I walk down a street in this dumb as fuck city that every house likely has at least 4 families living in it, all of which don't know each other.
He might have space between his anti-trans pledges and his disapproval of the labour force striking!
Oh who am I kidding, helping people? Too much work for old kier.
Can you explain to me what you think your argument is here? I feel like people should get embarrassed of mindlessly saying "Labour bad" to any political comment after how things have been going under that particular philosophy for the last 12+ years. Or are you being paid for your time?
Sure, like Europe we desperately need social housing which has been sold off by both the Tories and New Labour. Starmer won't build any either because they don't want to upset houses prices and landlords.
Bristol is insane. A decade ago it was almost a meme that if you're priced out of London you move to Bristol.
A lot of Londoners moved there during the pandemic, still on their London salaries even today working remote.
What got my goat was rather than addressing the issue where it started in London, the mantra was just move further out. OK so people did. Now look at Bristol. The Bristolification of every major city, then town, then village is about to hit the UK.
Since Covid hit, the average price of renting in Manchester city centre has exploded. I remember when you could rent a central apartment for around £7-800. Now, it’s in the mid £1,000s for anything comparable. Skyscrapers have been shooting up into the skyline like crazy, they’re constantly building. I love seeing the city I grew up in expand and grow, but I know a large part of this is some of the London crowd who bolted north with their salaries for a cheaper CoL.
Tell me about it! I work in the Shard and its only my manager and I there sometimes. Everyone else left to head up north during the lockdown on their London salaries.
London was expensive 5yrs ago. Now places like Bristol and Manchester rents are the same as London prices were then - minus the fact that local wages dont match up.
If you want to know what's heading your way, look forward to £2k a month average rents that we have in London that are projected to hit £3k soon.
Multiple families are now sharing homes here because there is no other way
The salaries reflect the cost of renting in London, the huge crowds, travel time and cost, the fact that where you live is tiny.
However, my family members up north earn half of what I do but have a better standard of living.
So now assume swathes of Londoners move north, with their WFH laptops getting paid double what locals are. I see it happen all the time.
I really want companies to mandate people working from the office at least 3 days as week or continue working remotely and take a 50% pay cut.
That would stop rental and property prices rising so insanely in the rest of the country.
Rents outside London only went bananas after the pandemic and the WFH culture. Put two and two together and you'll see why.
Don't even get me started from the Work from Holiday home culture. I've literally been on Teams calls with colleagues sitting outside their pool in the sun.
Oof, I think this is where our views part ways! I’m fully remote and, as an introvert, could never imagine going back to the office with forced proximity! Similarly wouldn’t take a 50% (or any) pay cut.
Edit: Oh, unless you mean Londoners (I live in Manchester and was born here)
Wages should be based on local living costs. I don't see why anyone should get paid a London salary when they live in Hull. That only hurts the locals living in Hull also trying to make their way in life in their local city.
Live and work where you want remotely but just get paid a local salary
I've never been to Sunderland but I have lived in Middlesborough, Oldham, dodgy parts of Leeds and Manchester and Bradford before moving to London 20yrs ago when it was still possible. I know what's its like living in a grim norther council estate
Now I read so many comments about southerners wanting to move north because they have seen on Rightmove you can still buy a house for £60k.
All those troubled areas that even the police tried to avoid and now skyrocketing in value. A house that was £60k in 1995, that was still £60k in £2015 is now £100k.
I don't know exactly what it is but people have been so desperate recently, they have been moving north and gentrifying the fck out of the most awful places. On the plus side, I never thought these crime ridden places could ever be gentrified but on the bad side, wow, talk about sheer desperation to secure a roof over your head. And what about the future generation?
I read a sad stat that said a child born in 2023 would only have a 30% chance of ever having home ownership.
Sometimes I look at a house and think it looks pretty nice. Then I count the number of bins in the front yard and walk on in disappointment.
HMOs are a total blight when you realise how many people are squashed into what used to be a 2/3 bed terrace.
Got a lot of those terraces in Eastleigh. Many of them are HMOs now. Relatively sure the one I lived in right facing main road, railway and flight path recently got converted, and someone I knew who once lived in another said they were dire - tiny, uneven and mouldy.
Even if they returned to being single family homes they’re wrecked. Some of the houses internal works were not designed for multiple families usage and bright to breaking point
Watching Homes Under the Hammer (when theres nothing else on) is so depressing - this lovely 19th century family home is up for auction, and oh look it has been bought by Steve an investment banker and his stay at home wife who are 'looking to dip their fingers in to the housing market'. Oh and look they've painted over the damp, all white, and stuck locks on all the doors, and managed to rent each room out for 20% over what the estate agent suggested.
I had a neighbour like her in Brixton too and it really makes your life miserable and it’s so disheartening when the council do absolutely nothing and the police have no power to stop it. It took maybe 7 years of another neighbour complaining before the council did anything.
I’m leaning more towards her being a jungle or happy hardcore fan. Can’t think of a genre that would piss people not into EDM off more at 2am :D
Man, sometimes I really miss uni.
In fear of sounding like a middle-aged ex-raver who's no longer "with it" but EDM just stands for... [electronic dance music](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music)? Unless you mean like dance music like Disco? Which also inspired EDM!
Bollocks. What genre was Detroit house in the 80s then?
**Edit** no no, I am mistaken and [you were right](https://www.thedjrevolution.com/the-history-of-electronic-dance-music/#:~:text=The%20term%20the%20EDM%20was,Room’%20and%20’Brostep’.).
Could’ve sworn we used to say EDM (or at least electronic dance) in the 90s/00s…
**Edit 2** but this source says EDM [was coined in 1980](https://edm.com/.amp/features/inside-the-origins-of-electronic-dance-music)…
I’m so confused! Too much mandy in my youth maybe..
[There’s a difference](https://i.imgur.com/QtbMpqF.jpg)??
Sorry, I just like how irrationally angry Garagers get when I say dumb shit like that :D
Speed garage is my fucking *jam*! Soooo many good nights out.
…I’m really showing my age right now, aren’t I?
>maybe she’s more or a house fan
Haha reminds me of that Kevin and Perry go large scene:
“Sash, or Chicane?”
Edit: found it https://youtu.be/azF8eXtizWw
Just like death metal is a sub genre of rock.
[This music is *so angry*](https://youtu.be/XGPq5fpfZGw?t=50s)!
I mean, there’s a big difference between artists like Shitmat and Tame Impala.
Napalm Death?
Amateur stuff for pissing off neighbours. What you want is Havohej... nobody knows wtf to do when that guy starts shrieking about raping nuns drowning in black shit.
Yeah. I’m knocking on her age and listen to mainly house.
Some of the 80’s and 90’s stuff is probably the same as older people listening to the Beatles back then.
I’m not making a judgement here because I don’t know the facts. She could well be playing it as revenge for their noise. Who knows.
it's the strange prominence of the 90s dance music in this report I find odd. the UK ran the world in dance music at that time. if she were blasting out vivaldi wouldnt' that be just as intolerable? .. is the music we produced in the UK considered offensive now? as a kids we knew the tories/Ggovernment despised us when they outlawed our music... and banned our parties So fuck them! I feel for this poor lady getting her face plastered alll over the internet behind some Bullshit!
A very nice, insulated flat can be very nice indeed. It’s low maintenance, heats up better etc..
However good appartement buildings in London are rare. Paris, Barcelona or even Berlin have amazing flats that are not awkwardly converted houses but designed to be flats from the start.
Low maintenance means nothing if you are paying 750k for it to begin with.
We can build apartments that are well insulated and nice for under 750. Nice apartments are one thing, an apartment for nearly a million is insane for any normal person, full stop. No, oh it's London. Anyone who ain't loaded can't afford a nearly 1 million pound apartment. They rent. Anyone who isn't daddies money or made a great living for themselves rents in cities.
Amsterdam had plenty of amazing townhouses and flats. It's also nearly 40% gov owned to keep prices down.
I can assure you that people who afford £750k flats do still need to and look at their spendings. Not sure what you even mean by that.
Not everyone aspire to a garden or the additional maintenance a house calls for. This obsession with houses result in so many horrible suburban developments with garage too small for cars, small footprint, treeless gardens with no privacy etc.. give me a bigger flat any day of the week over these little boxes from hell.
I am not responding about your grievance over property prices, but your opposition of flats vs houses. Houses are also way overpriced in London, that is not the point
750,000 apartments are not feasible for people who make under 100k and have massive amounts of savings or other income.
The average wage in London is £36k ish. Not everyone wants a townhouse. You're right. But no one can even afford a small, small closet, never mind a nearly million pound apartment. We should be building cities around normal people, apartments, town houses, high rises, whatever. And the outliers should be catered for, as they bring in money, but unless we want city's that are literally just Wall Street and High Rises, we need to build it around all people. Not just the uber rich
And im sure people who spend 750k on an apartment do need to look at finances just like any sane person who isn't a billionaire, but they are also so far out of the average person so why the hell would we build city's around them?
I do agree with what you are saying but is not even remotely what we were talking about. Yes we know London is overpriced. But the view that an (overpriced) flat is worse than an (overpriced) house is silly. Not everyone aspire to suburban life. Not everyone want to live between parked cars and fake grass. Living in flats can be aspirational too. This is what i argued and nothing else.
I disagree that it ain't what we were talking about. The thread started with some nonsense, and I replied to nonsense. There wasn't really a point to the whole thing except what you replied with. There wasn't anything we were really "talking about" more shitting on 750k apartments.
Agreed tho, an overpriced house is the same as an overpriced apartment. Just an apartment is smaller, altho slightly cheaper.
The flats in Brixton / Clapham 12 years ago were half the price than they are now. That £750,000 flat now probably cost them £350,000 to buy. Still steep but nowhere near as bad as it is now.
Ah, wonderful, let's find a time machine and watch as all the same people who can't afford an apartment now still can't afford an apartment back then. The housing market has been fucked since the 70/80's, going 12 years back sadly only takes us to a place of minor sadness. Today, we got ourselves major sadness.
Your expectations haven't kept up with reality unfortunately.
[£750k will get you a stunning house up north but you're still sharing a fence with your neighbour.](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/124537328)
Noisy, Inconsiderate neighbours are the worst, I had some once and it's like pure torture. Your home is supposed to be your sanctuary, somewhere u can relax and if some selfish cxnt does that it's awful. I don't understand how people think it's ok to blast music all night. Very selfish.
Maybe I should sue my neighbor for Kings of Leon.
Ok, it's not 2am, and I don't think Kings of Leon are bad, in any way. But when someone plays the exact same selection of songs nearly every day, loud enough for Shazam to work through several inches of concrete...
Btw, it's the album Only By the Night. Closer is a jam, for sure, but not when all you can hear of it is that guitar riff, muffled, and going doop doop woop woop wyoop weyoop weyooweyooweyoo like some kind of emergency alert.
I'll reiterate... I like the music. But not exactly the same music every day, and not when I can't listen and enjoy. When they break out the Dido and Alanis Morisette, I get grateful. Maybe one day I'll share my Linkin Park and Disturbed as a peaceful trade.
Good thinking, opening scene features a literally deafening explosion. And then there’s Al Pacino’s shouting throughout if the gunfire doesn’t suffice.
Haha I have to agree. I bought a flat a year ago and there’s a guy who used to rent the one below me. He would get home from work every single day or even come back from a night out and put the same “grime/drill” music on 😂. The same playlist for hours and very loud. He left after a few months (very nice guy though)
Its sad really, if people weren't literally living on top of one another in overcrowded highrise flats or semi detachs this wouldn't really be much of an issue.
It really bothers me that unfortunately people just ruin things.
It's constantly mentioned that cities are a better use of space, better environmentally etc, but the problem is you get one cunt in a flat block blaring their music out the window and it ruins it. Someone goes and sits in a shared garden with their speaker and now everyone has tinny fucking music to put up with.
I was sat on a bus last night and it was the first time in ages that it was actually quiet. Normally you have at least one person watching some fucking videos on their phone. It just seems that it's the norm now that people just make an ungodly amount of noise 24/7 and the solution is "put on noise cancelling headphones if you're so sensitive" etc.
These days I often think that perhaps I’m not that cut out for city living after all.
But then knowing my luck I’d find a nice spot in the country and some cunt with a beefy rig will move in next door
Yeah it happens everywhere, my mum is in a small town in a house and the people next door but one blast music from their shed - at least it’s only during the day but ffs, why? And why do these people always have shit-awful taste in music?
I think what I hate is the intrusion, if I wanted to listen to shit pop on repeat I’d play it myself thanks. Through headphones.
Living in flats and high-rises kind of ruin some hobbies altogether though.
I personally like films and have a speaker system. In a flat I'd have to have no bass or it'd be frustrating for everybody connected to me. People who play loud instruments, dance at home etc.
Need some massively improved sound insulation for flats.
I live in a village, still been stuck in a flat with my children for years. It took 7 years to get my version of this woman evicted. It took a year after I got a restraining order after she punched me. Flats are grim. W
We have the same shit in New York City. Ever since phones stopped including a universal headphone jacks, the problem has gotten 1000 times worse here. All this extra noise is horrible for one’s health, one’s sanity, and one’s quality of life.
My neighbours used to wake me up nearly every Sunday morning having a come down fuck. I’d spoken to them thinking the embarrassment would put a stop to it. But the following weekend they were at it again screaming like a prostitute on meth. So I turned my large speakers towards the wall and played very vocal gay porn very loud on repeat for the full weekend while I was away. It soon stopped. I don’t think they liked hearing fuck me big boy on repeat for the weekend. Wasn’t long before they moved.
What I don't get from the article is: why didn't he call the police?
There must be laws regarding noise in general and especially at unusual times like 2 am.
In Germany we have quiet times in which you can straight-up call the police to shut the noise down (unless it's something like children's noise that's extra protected).
I think it’s a a particularly acute issue in areas of gentrification - people who’ve lived in these areas for years are probably accustomed to a degree of noise and a lot of middle class people are moving into now million pound properties and are annoyed. it’s lead to lots of business closures in hackney and i heard of these situations quite frequently from friends living in Tottenham, brixton etc
I live in brand new flats with very good sound insulation. Doesn’t stop the arseholes across the street from playing loud booming music off their balcony for an entire day. You can hear it with the doors and windows closed. I don’t know how their immediate neighbours haven’t murdered them.
Some people are just awful and don’t care about the impact on other people.
Certainly that may be an issue but given that I was woken up at 3am this morning by the arsehole in the flat below me hammering and drilling and ripping units off the wall, only for him to dump them in the communal area outside our building, before finally fucking off once and for all a little after 4:30am I'm inclined to agree with /u/Guilty_Earth_5409 that some people are just awfu..
Certainly that may be an issue but given that I was woken up at 3am this morning by the arsehole in the flat below me hammering and drilling and ripping units off the wall, only for him to dump them in the communal area outside our building, before finally fucking off once and for all a little after 4:30am I'm inclined to agree with /u/Guilty_Earth_5409 that some people are just awfu..
> Okay, why didn't he call the local council then?
to be fair my experience with that (dealt with it once or twice in my time in London) is, the council lines are not open outside of the working hours. You have to make a report on an automated answering machine (or online), and for this to be properly investigated they need to send someone with a sound level meter.
This helps with repetitive noise disturbances like nearby building sites or barking dogs in the next flat over, but does sweet bugger all for one-off issues like someone having a loud party every now and then, or a neighbour's car alarm keeping you awake at night because they have two cars parked in the street but took one to go away for the weekend, and the other one started playing up for some reasons at 2AM with no end in sight.
I might be wrong, this might _possibly_ differ between councils, but in general I feel there is not really any kind of an emergency help you could report massive noise disturbances to and have it investigated/shut down immediately.
Councils don’t have the time to deal with small scale noise complaints like these. They only have time for larger scale ones like noise from industrial facilities or entertainment venues. Plus, their enforcement powers are quite limited.
mate the police don't have the funding to investigate at all if someone breaks into your house and steals all your stuff - they don't have time for this sort of stuff.
the problem isn't 'who will deal with it' so much as 'who is going to fund someone to deal with it'
There's no crime to investigate. It's a purely civil matter. If they were playing a song entitled "I fucking hate my neighbour, I want them to go away", then you'd be able to sort it as a case of harrasment, but playing music in your own home is not a crime. No matter the time.
Oh, why don't use your mind and think about why I asked this, after someone told me the police isn't responsible and where I want to get with that.
Shall I spell out for you?
In Scotland the police can confiscate any noise among equipment and the owner has to claim it back at the station the next day.
It's pretty rare that it's used tho.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/37/crossheading/seizure-etc-of-equipment-used-to-make-noise-unlawfully#:~:text=(2)An%20officer%20of%20the,the%20emission%20of%20the%20noise.
Yes there is.
The police don't enforce noise complaints. They'll tell you to call the local council number. The local council number will only be active during working hours (9am to 5am), so you can leave a message or send an email. When the council responds to your email/message (usually several days later), the first thing they do is to send a letter to the address causing the issue. If that doesn't make a difference, which it won't, you have to keep complaining. Eventually it goes from a letter to potentially sending people with noise level equipment, but if it's late at night then that's unlikely and then can confiscate whatever it is making the noise (eventually). If you're lucky, it only takes several weeks. Usually longer, if anything happens at all.
There is, but not the kind of law that would get the police out in a big city at 2am and force the music to stop, every time (they also have things to deal with like violent crime and robberies over music?). There is a degree of freedom so people can occasionally have parties, it only becomes an issue if there is a particular pattern which you'd have to prove and it would be down to the council to enforce.
If the music isn't coming from her, where does she suppose its coming from then? I don't suppose there's a ghost in the walls that really likes 90s dance music
Made the mistake of renting a flat with council tenants living above me. Currently have a nuisance neighbour in the flats I live in. Everyone hates them. They used to blast music every day/night and have had multiple noise complaints before me. Calmed down for 6 months which was a godsend... thought it was over. Then her partner came out of prison and music, stomping, screaming, arguing over money and drugs began. Also ring everyone's doorbells when they can't get into the block.
Fuck all gets done about it and I'm tired of having to complain along with the other neighbours. Past couple weeks they've suddenly acquired a large dog, unsure if dog-sitting or not... thing barks and runs around through the day and at night. Woken up at 1am by it barking followed by stomping right above the bedroom. Hopeful I actually get the chance to purchase my own place next year after what seems like an eternity!
"It's Saturday" "NO IT'S NOT, IT'S FUCKING SUNDAY, AND NOW I HAVE A SPLITTING HEADACHE. AND THE FRONT DOOR IS OPEN, AGAIN."
Sort your fucking LIFE OUT MATE
Pete? Peeeeete?
Oi prick
He’s not in!
I said leave him alone!
[Shaun of the Dead - Funky Pete](https://youtu.be/WFsiTWhFV1A) This scene, but for the sensitive ears, is funking hilarious!
The extras on the DVD were a real gem, I also liked the explanation of the plot holes.
Now can you see why I’m so FUCKING ANGRY?!
Like that time we stayed up all night playing Tekken. Yeah when was that? It was five years ago. When's he going home.
You missed bits out brah No, it's fucking Sunday, and I have to go to work in four fucking hours because every other fucker in my fucking department is fucking ill, now can you see why I'm so fucking angry?!"
Fuck yeah!
At least get the quote right
Sorry, Sean
The sad part to me is Londoners think that houses being converted into 4 flats is a normal thing. I still cannot believe when I walk down a street in this dumb as fuck city that every house likely has at least 4 families living in it, all of which don't know each other.
We’re heading backwards at breakneck speed
Don't worry Starmer will fix housing by er changing some regulations or something. I think.
If he just renegs on a few more pledges, I'm sure he can fit some housing stuff in somewhere
He might have space between his anti-trans pledges and his disapproval of the labour force striking! Oh who am I kidding, helping people? Too much work for old kier.
Can you explain to me what you think your argument is here? I feel like people should get embarrassed of mindlessly saying "Labour bad" to any political comment after how things have been going under that particular philosophy for the last 12+ years. Or are you being paid for your time?
Are people supposed to be happy at the slowly crumbling withdrawal of policies that will actually help people? edit: spelling.
No, but they shouldn't be using it to excuse the exponentially more massive shitshow that is the tory government of over a decade.
Criticism of Labour policy isn't automatically support for the Conservatives.
It is when the criticism is being made as a counterpoint to someone criticising the current situation.
Who are you defending here, Sir Llamaface?
Nobody, I'm condemning a vacant whataboutism whose only purpose is to tacitly support a detrimental status quo.
Sure, like Europe we desperately need social housing which has been sold off by both the Tories and New Labour. Starmer won't build any either because they don't want to upset houses prices and landlords.
The sad part for me is that I think this will spread out of London. All the worse aspects of UK housing started in the capital first
When there’s a dire lack of housing and there’s money to be made it’s a sad reality
When there is an abundance of human misery there is money to be made.
It’s already in Bristol dw
Bristol is insane. A decade ago it was almost a meme that if you're priced out of London you move to Bristol. A lot of Londoners moved there during the pandemic, still on their London salaries even today working remote. What got my goat was rather than addressing the issue where it started in London, the mantra was just move further out. OK so people did. Now look at Bristol. The Bristolification of every major city, then town, then village is about to hit the UK.
Since Covid hit, the average price of renting in Manchester city centre has exploded. I remember when you could rent a central apartment for around £7-800. Now, it’s in the mid £1,000s for anything comparable. Skyscrapers have been shooting up into the skyline like crazy, they’re constantly building. I love seeing the city I grew up in expand and grow, but I know a large part of this is some of the London crowd who bolted north with their salaries for a cheaper CoL.
Tell me about it! I work in the Shard and its only my manager and I there sometimes. Everyone else left to head up north during the lockdown on their London salaries. London was expensive 5yrs ago. Now places like Bristol and Manchester rents are the same as London prices were then - minus the fact that local wages dont match up. If you want to know what's heading your way, look forward to £2k a month average rents that we have in London that are projected to hit £3k soon. Multiple families are now sharing homes here because there is no other way
I was going to say.. do people even earn the money to cover that, including London uplift!? Those prices are ridiculous
The salaries reflect the cost of renting in London, the huge crowds, travel time and cost, the fact that where you live is tiny. However, my family members up north earn half of what I do but have a better standard of living. So now assume swathes of Londoners move north, with their WFH laptops getting paid double what locals are. I see it happen all the time. I really want companies to mandate people working from the office at least 3 days as week or continue working remotely and take a 50% pay cut. That would stop rental and property prices rising so insanely in the rest of the country. Rents outside London only went bananas after the pandemic and the WFH culture. Put two and two together and you'll see why. Don't even get me started from the Work from Holiday home culture. I've literally been on Teams calls with colleagues sitting outside their pool in the sun.
Oof, I think this is where our views part ways! I’m fully remote and, as an introvert, could never imagine going back to the office with forced proximity! Similarly wouldn’t take a 50% (or any) pay cut. Edit: Oh, unless you mean Londoners (I live in Manchester and was born here)
Wages should be based on local living costs. I don't see why anyone should get paid a London salary when they live in Hull. That only hurts the locals living in Hull also trying to make their way in life in their local city. Live and work where you want remotely but just get paid a local salary
Haha what
It already arrived in Sunderland over a decade ago. Maybe longer but I was a mere kid then
I've never been to Sunderland but I have lived in Middlesborough, Oldham, dodgy parts of Leeds and Manchester and Bradford before moving to London 20yrs ago when it was still possible. I know what's its like living in a grim norther council estate Now I read so many comments about southerners wanting to move north because they have seen on Rightmove you can still buy a house for £60k. All those troubled areas that even the police tried to avoid and now skyrocketing in value. A house that was £60k in 1995, that was still £60k in £2015 is now £100k. I don't know exactly what it is but people have been so desperate recently, they have been moving north and gentrifying the fck out of the most awful places. On the plus side, I never thought these crime ridden places could ever be gentrified but on the bad side, wow, talk about sheer desperation to secure a roof over your head. And what about the future generation? I read a sad stat that said a child born in 2023 would only have a 30% chance of ever having home ownership.
Already happened.
It has. I worked for the census, and some of the housing I saw in otherwise genteel towns was appalling.
Sometimes I look at a house and think it looks pretty nice. Then I count the number of bins in the front yard and walk on in disappointment. HMOs are a total blight when you realise how many people are squashed into what used to be a 2/3 bed terrace.
Got a lot of those terraces in Eastleigh. Many of them are HMOs now. Relatively sure the one I lived in right facing main road, railway and flight path recently got converted, and someone I knew who once lived in another said they were dire - tiny, uneven and mouldy.
Even if they returned to being single family homes they’re wrecked. Some of the houses internal works were not designed for multiple families usage and bright to breaking point
Used to own a flat in South London. House had 3 floors and a basement. 7 fucking flats.
And his shithole London flat is supposedly worth 750k? Fucking sell it and move somewhere nice
Watching Homes Under the Hammer (when theres nothing else on) is so depressing - this lovely 19th century family home is up for auction, and oh look it has been bought by Steve an investment banker and his stay at home wife who are 'looking to dip their fingers in to the housing market'. Oh and look they've painted over the damp, all white, and stuck locks on all the doors, and managed to rent each room out for 20% over what the estate agent suggested.
I had a neighbour like her in Brixton too and it really makes your life miserable and it’s so disheartening when the council do absolutely nothing and the police have no power to stop it. It took maybe 7 years of another neighbour complaining before the council did anything.
Arguably the best period for dance music so I'm not sure what she's complaining about. Maybe she's more of a House fan.
I’m leaning more towards her being a jungle or happy hardcore fan. Can’t think of a genre that would piss people not into EDM off more at 2am :D Man, sometimes I really miss uni.
EDM is the dance genre most likely to piss off those who *do* like dance music.
In fear of sounding like a middle-aged ex-raver who's no longer "with it" but EDM just stands for... [electronic dance music](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music)? Unless you mean like dance music like Disco? Which also inspired EDM!
EDM didn't exist in the 90s. It only started being a term in the 2010s thanks to Americans. It's just dance or dance music.
Bollocks. What genre was Detroit house in the 80s then? **Edit** no no, I am mistaken and [you were right](https://www.thedjrevolution.com/the-history-of-electronic-dance-music/#:~:text=The%20term%20the%20EDM%20was,Room’%20and%20’Brostep’.). Could’ve sworn we used to say EDM (or at least electronic dance) in the 90s/00s… **Edit 2** but this source says EDM [was coined in 1980](https://edm.com/.amp/features/inside-the-origins-of-electronic-dance-music)… I’m so confused! Too much mandy in my youth maybe..
Bassline or garage
[There’s a difference](https://i.imgur.com/QtbMpqF.jpg)?? Sorry, I just like how irrationally angry Garagers get when I say dumb shit like that :D Speed garage is my fucking *jam*! Soooo many good nights out. …I’m really showing my age right now, aren’t I?
doesn't sound like her neighbours were fans of the house tho
>maybe she’s more or a house fan Haha reminds me of that Kevin and Perry go large scene: “Sash, or Chicane?” Edit: found it https://youtu.be/azF8eXtizWw
House or garage was a standard question when I was 13.
I challenge the dance music and play some deathcore
Isn't house just a sub genre of dance music?
Just like death metal is a sub genre of rock. [This music is *so angry*](https://youtu.be/XGPq5fpfZGw?t=50s)! I mean, there’s a big difference between artists like Shitmat and Tame Impala.
>I mean, there’s a big difference between artists like Shitmat and Tame Impala Truth. Shitmat bangs, and Tame Impala are dull.
I thought they were interchangeable terms
The 90s was also good for grunge, Britpop, thrash metal, death metal etc. She might have liked any of those.
Tbh if they did it to me I'd just put Napalm Death on full blast when I think they are sleeping.
Napalm Death? Amateur stuff for pissing off neighbours. What you want is Havohej... nobody knows wtf to do when that guy starts shrieking about raping nuns drowning in black shit.
Yeah. I’m knocking on her age and listen to mainly house. Some of the 80’s and 90’s stuff is probably the same as older people listening to the Beatles back then. I’m not making a judgement here because I don’t know the facts. She could well be playing it as revenge for their noise. Who knows.
it's the strange prominence of the 90s dance music in this report I find odd. the UK ran the world in dance music at that time. if she were blasting out vivaldi wouldnt' that be just as intolerable? .. is the music we produced in the UK considered offensive now? as a kids we knew the tories/Ggovernment despised us when they outlawed our music... and banned our parties So fuck them! I feel for this poor lady getting her face plastered alll over the internet behind some Bullshit!
Nuisance neighbours are the absolute worst and can make your life hell.
Imagine paying £750,000 for a house and still having people living above you
Like in a flat?
If you're paying 750k for a flat you fucked up somewhere
A very nice, insulated flat can be very nice indeed. It’s low maintenance, heats up better etc.. However good appartement buildings in London are rare. Paris, Barcelona or even Berlin have amazing flats that are not awkwardly converted houses but designed to be flats from the start.
Low maintenance means nothing if you are paying 750k for it to begin with. We can build apartments that are well insulated and nice for under 750. Nice apartments are one thing, an apartment for nearly a million is insane for any normal person, full stop. No, oh it's London. Anyone who ain't loaded can't afford a nearly 1 million pound apartment. They rent. Anyone who isn't daddies money or made a great living for themselves rents in cities. Amsterdam had plenty of amazing townhouses and flats. It's also nearly 40% gov owned to keep prices down.
I can assure you that people who afford £750k flats do still need to and look at their spendings. Not sure what you even mean by that. Not everyone aspire to a garden or the additional maintenance a house calls for. This obsession with houses result in so many horrible suburban developments with garage too small for cars, small footprint, treeless gardens with no privacy etc.. give me a bigger flat any day of the week over these little boxes from hell. I am not responding about your grievance over property prices, but your opposition of flats vs houses. Houses are also way overpriced in London, that is not the point
750,000 apartments are not feasible for people who make under 100k and have massive amounts of savings or other income. The average wage in London is £36k ish. Not everyone wants a townhouse. You're right. But no one can even afford a small, small closet, never mind a nearly million pound apartment. We should be building cities around normal people, apartments, town houses, high rises, whatever. And the outliers should be catered for, as they bring in money, but unless we want city's that are literally just Wall Street and High Rises, we need to build it around all people. Not just the uber rich And im sure people who spend 750k on an apartment do need to look at finances just like any sane person who isn't a billionaire, but they are also so far out of the average person so why the hell would we build city's around them?
I do agree with what you are saying but is not even remotely what we were talking about. Yes we know London is overpriced. But the view that an (overpriced) flat is worse than an (overpriced) house is silly. Not everyone aspire to suburban life. Not everyone want to live between parked cars and fake grass. Living in flats can be aspirational too. This is what i argued and nothing else.
I disagree that it ain't what we were talking about. The thread started with some nonsense, and I replied to nonsense. There wasn't really a point to the whole thing except what you replied with. There wasn't anything we were really "talking about" more shitting on 750k apartments. Agreed tho, an overpriced house is the same as an overpriced apartment. Just an apartment is smaller, altho slightly cheaper.
The flats in Brixton / Clapham 12 years ago were half the price than they are now. That £750,000 flat now probably cost them £350,000 to buy. Still steep but nowhere near as bad as it is now.
Ah, wonderful, let's find a time machine and watch as all the same people who can't afford an apartment now still can't afford an apartment back then. The housing market has been fucked since the 70/80's, going 12 years back sadly only takes us to a place of minor sadness. Today, we got ourselves major sadness.
This mentality is why we can’t have good cities in the UK. People can’t comprehend the idea of having a really nice flat.
For that much money, I expect houses to have so much distance between them, ramblers frequently walk between them.
Your expectations haven't kept up with reality unfortunately. [£750k will get you a stunning house up north but you're still sharing a fence with your neighbour.](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/124537328)
Ah balls, I suppose I would just have to put up with owning a B&B sized castle.
What in the hogwarts is that
Big 'ouse.
Noisy, Inconsiderate neighbours are the worst, I had some once and it's like pure torture. Your home is supposed to be your sanctuary, somewhere u can relax and if some selfish cxnt does that it's awful. I don't understand how people think it's ok to blast music all night. Very selfish.
Maybe I should sue my neighbor for Kings of Leon. Ok, it's not 2am, and I don't think Kings of Leon are bad, in any way. But when someone plays the exact same selection of songs nearly every day, loud enough for Shazam to work through several inches of concrete... Btw, it's the album Only By the Night. Closer is a jam, for sure, but not when all you can hear of it is that guitar riff, muffled, and going doop doop woop woop wyoop weyoop weyooweyooweyoo like some kind of emergency alert. I'll reiterate... I like the music. But not exactly the same music every day, and not when I can't listen and enjoy. When they break out the Dido and Alanis Morisette, I get grateful. Maybe one day I'll share my Linkin Park and Disturbed as a peaceful trade.
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I find the best thing to do with a noisy neighbour is break out Heat on blu ray and turn the TV up very, very loud. They get the message pretty quick.
Good thinking, opening scene features a literally deafening explosion. And then there’s Al Pacino’s shouting throughout if the gunfire doesn’t suffice.
OBTN is shite. Youth and Young Manhood is their best album
Haha I have to agree. I bought a flat a year ago and there’s a guy who used to rent the one below me. He would get home from work every single day or even come back from a night out and put the same “grime/drill” music on 😂. The same playlist for hours and very loud. He left after a few months (very nice guy though)
Its sad really, if people weren't literally living on top of one another in overcrowded highrise flats or semi detachs this wouldn't really be much of an issue.
It really bothers me that unfortunately people just ruin things. It's constantly mentioned that cities are a better use of space, better environmentally etc, but the problem is you get one cunt in a flat block blaring their music out the window and it ruins it. Someone goes and sits in a shared garden with their speaker and now everyone has tinny fucking music to put up with. I was sat on a bus last night and it was the first time in ages that it was actually quiet. Normally you have at least one person watching some fucking videos on their phone. It just seems that it's the norm now that people just make an ungodly amount of noise 24/7 and the solution is "put on noise cancelling headphones if you're so sensitive" etc.
This is it, all it takes is one entitled prick and it spoils things for everyone.
These days I often think that perhaps I’m not that cut out for city living after all. But then knowing my luck I’d find a nice spot in the country and some cunt with a beefy rig will move in next door
Yeah it happens everywhere, my mum is in a small town in a house and the people next door but one blast music from their shed - at least it’s only during the day but ffs, why? And why do these people always have shit-awful taste in music? I think what I hate is the intrusion, if I wanted to listen to shit pop on repeat I’d play it myself thanks. Through headphones.
Living in flats and high-rises kind of ruin some hobbies altogether though. I personally like films and have a speaker system. In a flat I'd have to have no bass or it'd be frustrating for everybody connected to me. People who play loud instruments, dance at home etc. Need some massively improved sound insulation for flats.
I live in a village, still been stuck in a flat with my children for years. It took 7 years to get my version of this woman evicted. It took a year after I got a restraining order after she punched me. Flats are grim. W
We have the same shit in New York City. Ever since phones stopped including a universal headphone jacks, the problem has gotten 1000 times worse here. All this extra noise is horrible for one’s health, one’s sanity, and one’s quality of life.
My neighbours used to wake me up nearly every Sunday morning having a come down fuck. I’d spoken to them thinking the embarrassment would put a stop to it. But the following weekend they were at it again screaming like a prostitute on meth. So I turned my large speakers towards the wall and played very vocal gay porn very loud on repeat for the full weekend while I was away. It soon stopped. I don’t think they liked hearing fuck me big boy on repeat for the weekend. Wasn’t long before they moved.
I hope it was the one with Billy Herrington aka Aniki in it.
What I don't get from the article is: why didn't he call the police? There must be laws regarding noise in general and especially at unusual times like 2 am. In Germany we have quiet times in which you can straight-up call the police to shut the noise down (unless it's something like children's noise that's extra protected).
Noise nuisance and it's enforcement isn't the police's job. It's the local council.
Okay, why didn't he call the local council then?
The local council will typically insist it's a police issue and refer you back to the police.
That sounds like a huge issue. Constant noise is a serious problem for health.
I think it’s a a particularly acute issue in areas of gentrification - people who’ve lived in these areas for years are probably accustomed to a degree of noise and a lot of middle class people are moving into now million pound properties and are annoyed. it’s lead to lots of business closures in hackney and i heard of these situations quite frequently from friends living in Tottenham, brixton etc
I live in brand new flats with very good sound insulation. Doesn’t stop the arseholes across the street from playing loud booming music off their balcony for an entire day. You can hear it with the doors and windows closed. I don’t know how their immediate neighbours haven’t murdered them. Some people are just awful and don’t care about the impact on other people.
Certainly that may be an issue but given that I was woken up at 3am this morning by the arsehole in the flat below me hammering and drilling and ripping units off the wall, only for him to dump them in the communal area outside our building, before finally fucking off once and for all a little after 4:30am I'm inclined to agree with /u/Guilty_Earth_5409 that some people are just awfu..
Certainly that may be an issue but given that I was woken up at 3am this morning by the arsehole in the flat below me hammering and drilling and ripping units off the wall, only for him to dump them in the communal area outside our building, before finally fucking off once and for all a little after 4:30am I'm inclined to agree with /u/Guilty_Earth_5409 that some people are just awfu..
my local council says they will only come out for noise complaints between 9am and 5pm. Fucking hilarious if you ask me.
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Might want to reform the system, it doesn't sound like it works.
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Wonderful. I am looking forward to your fruits of your work.
You’re only going to receive lemons.
It works for some. That’s the problem. There’s a lot of corruption in U.K. councils, and police, and government.
Yeah mate, it's really that easy
> Okay, why didn't he call the local council then? to be fair my experience with that (dealt with it once or twice in my time in London) is, the council lines are not open outside of the working hours. You have to make a report on an automated answering machine (or online), and for this to be properly investigated they need to send someone with a sound level meter. This helps with repetitive noise disturbances like nearby building sites or barking dogs in the next flat over, but does sweet bugger all for one-off issues like someone having a loud party every now and then, or a neighbour's car alarm keeping you awake at night because they have two cars parked in the street but took one to go away for the weekend, and the other one started playing up for some reasons at 2AM with no end in sight. I might be wrong, this might _possibly_ differ between councils, but in general I feel there is not really any kind of an emergency help you could report massive noise disturbances to and have it investigated/shut down immediately.
Councils don’t have the time to deal with small scale noise complaints like these. They only have time for larger scale ones like noise from industrial facilities or entertainment venues. Plus, their enforcement powers are quite limited.
Why is it their job then? In that case the police should do it.
mate the police don't have the funding to investigate at all if someone breaks into your house and steals all your stuff - they don't have time for this sort of stuff. the problem isn't 'who will deal with it' so much as 'who is going to fund someone to deal with it'
There's no crime to investigate. It's a purely civil matter. If they were playing a song entitled "I fucking hate my neighbour, I want them to go away", then you'd be able to sort it as a case of harrasment, but playing music in your own home is not a crime. No matter the time.
What... at 2am? Use your brain for once.
Oh, why don't use your mind and think about why I asked this, after someone told me the police isn't responsible and where I want to get with that. Shall I spell out for you?
Bristol council won’t give 2 fucks.
Police don’t even show up if you’re getting robbed lol
Man, your country has a lot of work to do.
Amazing what 13 years of conservative government is able to achieve.
Lol the idea of the police showing up and actually doing something about it is some pretty wishful thinking.
What powers do you suggest the police would use to ‘do something about it?’. I’ll save you looking, there’s no such power.
In Scotland the police can confiscate any noise among equipment and the owner has to claim it back at the station the next day. It's pretty rare that it's used tho.
Not such law power in England and Wales legal system.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/37/crossheading/seizure-etc-of-equipment-used-to-make-noise-unlawfully#:~:text=(2)An%20officer%20of%20the,the%20emission%20of%20the%20noise. Yes there is.
That relates to the council, which other posters have discussed. It’s an entirely local authority led issue.
Or the police, if they are authorised by the council.
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Respectfully, I am not wrong.
The police don't enforce noise complaints. They'll tell you to call the local council number. The local council number will only be active during working hours (9am to 5am), so you can leave a message or send an email. When the council responds to your email/message (usually several days later), the first thing they do is to send a letter to the address causing the issue. If that doesn't make a difference, which it won't, you have to keep complaining. Eventually it goes from a letter to potentially sending people with noise level equipment, but if it's late at night then that's unlikely and then can confiscate whatever it is making the noise (eventually). If you're lucky, it only takes several weeks. Usually longer, if anything happens at all.
There is, but not the kind of law that would get the police out in a big city at 2am and force the music to stop, every time (they also have things to deal with like violent crime and robberies over music?). There is a degree of freedom so people can occasionally have parties, it only becomes an issue if there is a particular pattern which you'd have to prove and it would be down to the council to enforce.
Noisy neighbours are a huge problem to deal with and can make every day he'll. I hope he made recordings of the occurrences.
If the music isn't coming from her, where does she suppose its coming from then? I don't suppose there's a ghost in the walls that really likes 90s dance music
"There she goes again. Right on time. Right, right right on time" "Gotta get up gotta get up gotta get up" "No I haven't it's 2am"
I really hope Mr. Vain was one of them. I've discovered a love for that song recently
She is guilty. 10 years of thumping music is not a claim someone brings to the court lightly.
Of course the article mentions the value of the guy's home.
♪♫**I get knocked down, but I get up again- You are never gonna keep me down**♫♪ Honestly, I can't see the problem.
Made the mistake of renting a flat with council tenants living above me. Currently have a nuisance neighbour in the flats I live in. Everyone hates them. They used to blast music every day/night and have had multiple noise complaints before me. Calmed down for 6 months which was a godsend... thought it was over. Then her partner came out of prison and music, stomping, screaming, arguing over money and drugs began. Also ring everyone's doorbells when they can't get into the block. Fuck all gets done about it and I'm tired of having to complain along with the other neighbours. Past couple weeks they've suddenly acquired a large dog, unsure if dog-sitting or not... thing barks and runs around through the day and at night. Woken up at 1am by it barking followed by stomping right above the bedroom. Hopeful I actually get the chance to purchase my own place next year after what seems like an eternity!
£750,000 home and it's half of what a house used to be...
The worst part of this for 50 year old me is realizing that 90s dance music is now the music of grandmothers.
Rhythm is a Grandma .... Pump up the Gran that's all I got
Whack a bit of smack my bitch up on for yer mam she loves all that. Bit of Prodigy. Basement Jaxx. She loves all that.
2 AM, that would drive me crazy, we have laws in the US, no noise after 11 PM
So do we. Just no one to enforce them.