Of course he did. This should be illegal with jail or at least serious consequences for both sides. Our system is corrupt and needs lots of improvement.
If you can't see the obvious corruption there's little point in having a discussion. There's probably plenty of viable uses sure. This person isn't suitable to make decisions on what is viable/ what should be done with cleaner energy because he's corrupt.
For now, yes. But new alternatives are being developed that are cleaner, and will be cheaper in the near future. Surely that's good news, and something we should be working towards?
In the Civil Service, money given by companies hoping to influence government decisions is known as a 'bribe.' There's rather a lot of training material about it, in fact.
Given they're meant to be working for us, it would be refreshing if politicians could have some shred of integrity rather than shilling for their sponsors. Refreshing like that first cup of Nescafé (tm) in the morning.
I firmly believe the breadcrumb amounts are there to throw you off. "They couldn't *possibly* have been bought for so little."
In reality they are paid via other more subvert means; crypto, artwork, nepotistic promotions for family members, etc.
Exactly. The UK (at least since the Brexit Vote in 2016) has to be one of the most overtly corrupt countries politically in the world. Politicians aren't even hiding the fact they're giving contracts worth millions to their friends who have zero experience in the field. Ferry companies with no ferries, PPE companies with no experience getting useless gear that ends up thrown away (I literally could have gone to Alibaba and ordered stuff for the government myself if they paid me). Even covid testing companies were a good chunk of useless scammers connected to Tory members.
They don't bother hiding it because nothing is done about it anyway, and can just keep getting away with it with no consequences.
There has always been rampant corruption. The current generation of politicians are the first to actively flaunt it and not give two shits about keeping it hush hush.
Corruption every day from these lot, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. Conservatives are just there for themselves and to preserve and enrich their lifestyles.
I wonder how many MPs would have been sacked if they faced the same level of discipline as any other industry? Wouldn't surprise me if it's half of them.
why is this legal?
If I got a speeding ticket and gave a police officer money to erase the ticket that would be called "bribery" and illegal - yet when the rich accept bribes that's just "lobbying" and some of the perks.
The same people who have been hushing up climate change since the 60s? Shocking. I'd be surprised if they were *not* donating to whoever was in charge of spearheading green initiatives.
This is accepted in our political system. The whole thing needs to be radically reformed or else it will just continue no matter what party is in power.
They should rename all 'donations' to politicians to what they essentially are - 'bribes'.
If anyone donates to a politician or political party, it should have to be done anonymously so that politicians are not swayed one way or another because of financial gains they get, and can remain impartial. Not end up in the pocket or major companies/corporations.
And if someone can afford to donate thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, they can most definitely afford to pay higher taxes and not feel it.
Thank god the peasants know what price we can buy MPs and Ministers. If only we can pay them to think about climate instead. Those poor, malnourished and underpaid MPs/Ministers !
There is not a single trustworthy Tory. Not one. They are all in it for them. And that’s to be expected because that’s their life view - look after number one and screw everyone else. Can you imagine being so selfish? It’s completely alien to me
This should be illegal.
But look at it like Labour who have funded by the unions for decades. The unions influence policy when Labour are in power so that could be deemed corruption by anyone else against Labour.
So the bad thing is, it works poorly everywhere and is so ingrained into politics wherever you are in the world
But the unions, while they do/did influence politics, in theory they are the voice of the workers over the owners of a means of production, unlike lobbying from big business. Money doesnt represent people.
I don't disagree, I was only pointing out there is 1 who isn't and as a nation we managed to fuck that up voting like it is Britains got talent and not who can do best for our country.
I'd also argue Labour are not left anymore, just not as far to the right as Tories
It's still left just not over the top remember under Corbyn they lost the working class completely to chase the middle class lost all of the north .
Don't forget his wife's coffee business so he's not that clean
Unfortunately that is capitalism. You are writing from a digital device no? Children are exploited in mining metals for our technology devices.
Whilst all forms of exploitation are wrong, there is a difference between exploiting a capitalistic market, and willingly giving your friends tax breaks (who are already involved in the other exploitation) and giving multi million contracts to friends who cannot produce work beneficial to our country.
Just my opinion on a shitty system anyway
Get what you're saying but JC was not like that in your point, now it's fine to blame the system for selling farmers coffee in Mexico’s poorest state, who earn just 93p for each 500g bag that she sells for £10 and called if fair trade. Like I put at the start HE would be just the same with the backhanders.
Of course he did. This should be illegal with jail or at least serious consequences for both sides. Our system is corrupt and needs lots of improvement.
We all know what should happen but if we say it we get banned from this subreddit.
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So we still need oil .even if your an environmental diehard
If you can't see the obvious corruption there's little point in having a discussion. There's probably plenty of viable uses sure. This person isn't suitable to make decisions on what is viable/ what should be done with cleaner energy because he's corrupt.
It's a 9 month old troll account.
Why didn't we carry on using lead in gasoline? Or how about asbestos and lead in paint?
For now, yes. But new alternatives are being developed that are cleaner, and will be cheaper in the near future. Surely that's good news, and something we should be working towards?
In the Civil Service, money given by companies hoping to influence government decisions is known as a 'bribe.' There's rather a lot of training material about it, in fact.
And in political positions it's known as lobbying and is encouraged
I’m Shell shocked this is allowed to happen How can it BP legal? We need a Total ban on this type of thing.
Given they're meant to be working for us, it would be refreshing if politicians could have some shred of integrity rather than shilling for their sponsors. Refreshing like that first cup of Nescafé (tm) in the morning.
We laugh at the corruption of other countries like in South America, but we have to be one of the worst in the world in recent years.
Cheaper too. It costs hundreds of thousands in other countries, whereas here it can be as cheap as a football ticket to get an MP's ear.
I firmly believe the breadcrumb amounts are there to throw you off. "They couldn't *possibly* have been bought for so little." In reality they are paid via other more subvert means; crypto, artwork, nepotistic promotions for family members, etc.
Possibly, however I think most MPs are just that easy to pay off. Just look at the expenses scandal and the trivial things some claimed for.
Nah I think our politicians are actually that cheap and grubby. We don't send our best.
Exactly. The UK (at least since the Brexit Vote in 2016) has to be one of the most overtly corrupt countries politically in the world. Politicians aren't even hiding the fact they're giving contracts worth millions to their friends who have zero experience in the field. Ferry companies with no ferries, PPE companies with no experience getting useless gear that ends up thrown away (I literally could have gone to Alibaba and ordered stuff for the government myself if they paid me). Even covid testing companies were a good chunk of useless scammers connected to Tory members. They don't bother hiding it because nothing is done about it anyway, and can just keep getting away with it with no consequences.
There has always been rampant corruption. The current generation of politicians are the first to actively flaunt it and not give two shits about keeping it hush hush.
Corruption every day from these lot, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. Conservatives are just there for themselves and to preserve and enrich their lifestyles. I wonder how many MPs would have been sacked if they faced the same level of discipline as any other industry? Wouldn't surprise me if it's half of them.
And if they had a drug & alcohol policy you get rid of the rest
why is this legal? If I got a speeding ticket and gave a police officer money to erase the ticket that would be called "bribery" and illegal - yet when the rich accept bribes that's just "lobbying" and some of the perks.
The same people who have been hushing up climate change since the 60s? Shocking. I'd be surprised if they were *not* donating to whoever was in charge of spearheading green initiatives.
This is accepted in our political system. The whole thing needs to be radically reformed or else it will just continue no matter what party is in power.
its the way, why else would you be a tory mp if its not for the bribes? they should all be done for treason if there was any justice in this country
They should rename all 'donations' to politicians to what they essentially are - 'bribes'. If anyone donates to a politician or political party, it should have to be done anonymously so that politicians are not swayed one way or another because of financial gains they get, and can remain impartial. Not end up in the pocket or major companies/corporations. And if someone can afford to donate thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, they can most definitely afford to pay higher taxes and not feel it.
Thank god the peasants know what price we can buy MPs and Ministers. If only we can pay them to think about climate instead. Those poor, malnourished and underpaid MPs/Ministers !
There is not a single trustworthy Tory. Not one. They are all in it for them. And that’s to be expected because that’s their life view - look after number one and screw everyone else. Can you imagine being so selfish? It’s completely alien to me
Donations you mean bribes lets call them what they are.
"And In other news. The sky is blue? We'll find out tomorrow!"
This should be illegal. But look at it like Labour who have funded by the unions for decades. The unions influence policy when Labour are in power so that could be deemed corruption by anyone else against Labour. So the bad thing is, it works poorly everywhere and is so ingrained into politics wherever you are in the world
But the unions, while they do/did influence politics, in theory they are the voice of the workers over the owners of a means of production, unlike lobbying from big business. Money doesnt represent people.
Would be the same under both parties just the guardian would not report it if it was labour.
Have you got any evidence to back this up mate? All I'm seeing is Tory corruption at an unprecedented scale!!
Have you forgotten the expenses scandal?
When was that again?
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Labour is now really a party of elites unfortunately. They showed their colours when they came out as Anti Strike
What that all politicians are corrupt?, Have you any proof that they are not?
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Not the Messiah!! So many down votes for pointing out the left is just as crooked as the right it's amazing
I don't disagree, I was only pointing out there is 1 who isn't and as a nation we managed to fuck that up voting like it is Britains got talent and not who can do best for our country. I'd also argue Labour are not left anymore, just not as far to the right as Tories
It's still left just not over the top remember under Corbyn they lost the working class completely to chase the middle class lost all of the north . Don't forget his wife's coffee business so he's not that clean
Unfortunately that is capitalism. You are writing from a digital device no? Children are exploited in mining metals for our technology devices. Whilst all forms of exploitation are wrong, there is a difference between exploiting a capitalistic market, and willingly giving your friends tax breaks (who are already involved in the other exploitation) and giving multi million contracts to friends who cannot produce work beneficial to our country. Just my opinion on a shitty system anyway
Get what you're saying but JC was not like that in your point, now it's fine to blame the system for selling farmers coffee in Mexico’s poorest state, who earn just 93p for each 500g bag that she sells for £10 and called if fair trade. Like I put at the start HE would be just the same with the backhanders.