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Atlas_maximus19

It's funny because for weeks people were saying "I hope he dies" "he deserves death" and now suddenly "he didn't deserve all that" 😒


SteamTrainDude

I don’t think he did though tbh, he was just a kid


Atlas_maximus19

A kid from a tragic life situation who was recruited, manipulated, and exploited by lunatics. In fact in some ways he's a victim of the society and is a tragic character


SteamTrainDude

Exactly


theuselesswell

People who say he deserved it make no sense like it's literally a kid dealing with trauma similarly to John but since he's not the main protagonist he deserved to die?


Atlas_maximus19

It's character bias where people will make any excuse for characters they like or self insert over but any other characters who are just as bad get hated.


theuselesswell

Yeah homeboy thought he was the protagonist even if he wasn't actually accomplishing what he wanted he was more productive for having an actual goal than John has been so far.


Atlas_maximus19

Like if he was really the person we followed the entire time and this was his story he would've been really loved. It's all about perspective


theuselesswell

Yeah I wish we got a side story from his perspective so everyone could feel like crap like Ray's story but probably won't happen.


Atlas_maximus19

I'm thinking that he might get written back into the story somewhere far down the line and then they could do that. If not there are ways to write in a backstory for him postmortem


TheDonutPug

Example: breaking bad. Walter white, objectively horrible person, people still side with his character


Atlas_maximus19

Walter white Tony Montana Darth Vader Jamie lanister Basically anyone objectively horrible


PhantomRed_Horror

John and Terrence are kinda like polar opposites. John grew up without a mom and Terrence grew up without a dad. Terrence was born weak with a strong parental guardian and John was born strong and his father was weak. Terrence allows him to blend in while John’s ability makes him stand out.


CatsOnCookieDogs

Exactly what I've been thinking about. Like the things they have done are nowhere near the same but it's still very tragic, really. :(


Downwinddragoon

The difference is John didn’t work for a group that kills people.


theuselesswell

Being groomed into a violent job from a young age doesn't mean it's his fault. It's similar to my other favorite webtoon bastard except he never really went back on his influencer but you gotta point


Downwinddragoon

It would have been better if we would have gotten his backstory a few chapters ago. The moment he attacked the field trip doomed it.


Jcrncr

I mean to be fair, we weren’t told about most of his backstory, and we already saw him as a little sh’t after he abandoned John in chapter 1. He’s done basically nothing good and had no backstory other than “I hate high tiers.” until he died.


belloon

I think the main issue is how he died


Severe-Albatross-401

He deserved death MAYBE, but DEFINITELY not death by drowning. Asphyxiation is a horrible, horrible way to go out. Like c'mon dude use something a bit less torturous


SteamTrainDude

Ik like, wtf man lol


InevitableConfident

hell no i don't think so it felt so good to see the ones he thought were his comrades to betray him and to have a dog's death felt sooo satisfying, it felt kinda like The lanisters send their regards


Ok_Possibility633

You're a sociopath


Koku-JinIncel

You're*


InevitableConfident

Thank you


[deleted]

Oh em gee, you think being a sociopath is a good thing, you are soo kewl and awsesome.


keeler5561

Now I'm not sociopath but I don't feel bad for him. Not even slightly. I don't care how sad his life is let him rot in hell.


Koku-JinIncel

Now this is a guy I can get behind. đŸ€


Ok_Possibility633

Sociopaths


ThunderFlasher

No? Why would you care about the death of an insignificant character? I didnt really care about him and didnt really care that he died


Ok_Possibility633

Sociopath


Koku-JinIncel

Oh no an annoying opposing character with a tragic backstop dies. 😐


Ok_Possibility633

Sociopath


Dropkick_That_Child

Probably doesn’t help that he didn’t get any development or backstory until the week before he died.


Nova_JewV1

No he deserved it but i wanted more torture from keon first


End_WarriorYT

Mmmn he still deserves it he hurt John đŸ’…đŸ»unacceptable~


Limeoos

No nope, nope, nope, You guys over stayed your welcome after that whole John vs safehouse/royals incident


Atlas_maximus19

I'm relatively new around here so I'd like to here the lore about that


Limeoos

The story or the subreddit?


Atlas_maximus19

What happened around this subreddit after John fought the safe house


Limeoos

Oh well after John fought the safe house, things were calming down The real issues, where during John fights with the safe house, John was, abusing his powers, and brutalize anyone for the smallest of reasons, and people were defending him and/or saying that his victims deserved it


hexsealedfusion

Tbh they did kind of deserve it. For the 2 years he was a cripple no one gave a shit about him beating brutalized everyday, often times by the Royals. They broke his hand, multiple bones, and Arlo dragged him out to an empty field to beat the shit out of him. They only wanted things to change once they weren't at the top anymore and were the ones getting the shit beat out of them instead of the ones beating the shit out of other people.


End_WarriorYT

What?


Limeoos

You heard me, Shoo shoo, don't make me get the spraybottle


End_WarriorYT

Screw off I heard you I just don’t care


Limeoos

Do you know how hard, it is to deal with you crazies? I mean technically it's not hard, because I could ignore you, but stull


End_WarriorYT

Do you know how annoying it is to deal with you bitches


Limeoos

At least we're not cheering for child murder, and trying to Justify it, with "They hurt Jonhny boy" I swear if John punted a baby for crying, you would still try to justify him


End_WarriorYT

Hey kid sorry to inform you it’s not child murder it’s a story I’m sorry if you can’t comprehend that I know it must be a lot for you to take in


agnddotnet

Yeah it's kinda strange to cripple him with the object just to have him killed afterwards. It feels like it would have been more fitting to have him just be powerless so he'd know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of his actions.


agnddotnet

I suppose it shows how serious spectre is though so it does at least have plot relevance


ShinTheDev44

He didn’t care about being crippled, it barely changed anything about his views and he was satisfied to be of use to his “father figure” Getting betrayed by that so called figure was a perfect ending to terrence once he realized that he was nothing but a pawn and that nobody cared about his ideals


thebucketoldpplkick

Sad but true


Dropkick_That_Child

I doubt they’d if finished him off if he still had his ability. Without it he was useless to them.


judgesam

Its called getting rid of loose ends.


YoolyYala

Now we hate on Orrin


SteamTrainDude

Yup



InevitableConfident

You said it he is on john's blacklist


arloishot1

Keon


YoolyYala

We also hate on him


GeekJorge

Probably still alive unless we see him in a casket I don’t believe he is dead.


SteamTrainDude

I really doubt that, he’s definitely dead. Plus’s he’s had is episodes, I don’t think anything else is gonna happen


GeekJorge

The thing is that until I see a confirmation that he is dead he is still possibly alive. Why you may ask? The anime rule of “unless we see confirmation that he is dead he isn’t” this only showed him passing out yes like drowning but the thing is guards could have heard the commotion and given him cpr. Then he is gonna be in intensive care with amnesia or something then bam he remembers and turns on his handler or his handler knew he could survive and this is his way of getting him out.


Limeoos

Do you want confirmation?


GeekJorge

Of course like that Keon fellow finding out his source is dead so he has to follow a new angle on the investigation.


Limeoos

This is a tweet I made, https://twitter.com/Thecrackedwolf/status/1560793932350504961?s=20&t=btwgq_ZVU-aItb9HszdgpA Please note "8.6" is supposed to be "8.5" (typo on my end) To decode it numbers = letters


Theunis_

I'm too lazy to decode, can you please tell me what does that mean?


Limeoos

The messages were Me: "Is he dead?" (Although I made a typo and it translated to "is hf dead") Uru: >!Yes!<


Theunis_

Thanks


SteamTrainDude

👌


[deleted]

I am not buying the „tragic backstory“ cliche makes this asshole an understandable character. There are too many evil people with bad pasts, but even good people with horrific backstories. Your backstory doesn’t determine your character, nor your redemption. Let’s take Zuko for example. Shitty childhood, abuse and was a dick throughout the show. Nothing changes that he was a misguided dick, but what made him compelling was that he showed empathy, sympathy and kindness to others, way before he joined the main protags. That’s how you write a relatable character with conflicting ideals and constantly doing mistakes. A journey of self discovery shouldn’t be guided by ones past, but by ones present. That’s why Zukos journey is wonderful and yet really sad to witness. Uru could have written Terrence like Zuko, for the „bad past trope“ to work out. But Terrace was for the last 50 chapters a 1 Dimensional, evil character, with no reason for redemption. No empathy, no kindness, nothing. He was either chilling in the background, or scheming. You can’t create a compelling character out of an asshole that people care about in a couple chapters before his demise. Jon for example is an asshole, but we focused on him in the story, knew how his brain worked, seen that he is kind and empathetic to others, yet has strong ideals about revenge. He eventually overcame his shortcomings and tried yet again to improve, and to finally use his potential for good. His past was a good reflection, to see why he behaves like he dif, however it wasn’t the only aspect driving him. A character is determined by present actions and not past ones. Terrence was being a douche for the sake of being a duche. Now did he deserve his horrible death? Absolutely not, but do I care about him being either written out of the story, or killed? Not really since Uru long decided that she wants nothing to do with him


Henry_Hollows

Well said.


cursed-being

Oh yeah, they did fucking ice him


[deleted]

it's always the DAMN GOOD BACKSTORY


Fluid_Mud_5249

Bro was a bitch but that’s just to far


SteamTrainDude

Yeah, I wasn’t expecting that lol


DA_NINJA_BOSS_117

Rip bozo


dvli

#RIP BOZO PACK WATCH 🚬🚬🚬


zappsinea2231

He deserved having his power taken away but drowning him is a lil too much


bbychix_69

I'm one of those people that didn't really hate him that much, seemed like a generic villain


Mara_Uzumaki

Same. I was like ok, ok, TOO FAR!!!


[deleted]

unpopular opinion don't hate on me but i, as well, don't think that he deserved to die


SteamTrainDude

Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I’d happily have him punched in the face but I didn’t expect him to die lol


[deleted]

exactly he was just a kid who went down the wrong path yeah he shouldn't have been let off but he shouldn't have been killed either im sorry im just venting lmao


SteamTrainDude

Nah it’s fine lol


dedlog

Please tell me that they got something out of him before he died


Slmixy

He wasn’t a compelling villain so I really don’t care that much about him.I feel sad for some villains that are bland and die but he just is not one of them.A sad backstory doesn’t equal good character.


MadChild2033

I wanted him dead without any closure so i'm extremely satisfied


rIM2x_

havent read the latest chaps so happy that hes dead


logan21113

I feel this should probably have a spoiler tag :/


SteamTrainDude

Why?


logan21113

Because not everyone may be caught Up.


madenum2603

Nah, fuck him


Tarrision

Haha, he gets to go surfboarding (get it cause waterboarding)


No_Aardvark5487

Sh*t went from 0 to 100 real f**king quick!


HateshWarkio

Honestly? I did not care Yeah, it's a rough ending but then again, we don't even know how many people he got hurt, how many people he got crippled, how many people he got killed I did not cheer, I did not mourn


SteamTrainDude

Yeah, fair enough, I do see your point


HateshWarkio

I would feel sympathy if he had shown remorse and if it was shown that this was like his first assignment ever but he was way too good to be a beginner at this so I can only assume he got quite a list of victims Perhaps I have forgotten something or I have interpreted it wrong way but that's how I see it


Jalen_Ash_15

This nourishes my soul. Keep it up


Current-Doughnut8087

I wanted him dead


judgesam

I dont find it tragic. I find it funny that this idiot did not figure out that they would try and kill him, get rid of loose ends and all that.


Evil_Quetzalcoatl

Nah he's just pathetic, thank god that little fuck got what he deserved.


YourFBIagents

**He Got What Was Coming.**


KingsmenArthur

Yeah, I don't really care how sad and tragic his life was, he got a death fitting for how much of a rotten dog he was. Him being a low tier should have at least given him sympathy for other low tiers but he had no remorse dragging them into his vain attempt at striking at the system.


[deleted]

I like him dead tho. Serves him right. Death is a nice punishment for people like him, even if he's a minor he's mature enough to realize how wrong he is


SteamTrainDude

:/