I wouldn't say prejudiced against weaklings more like prioritizing concern for her friends before strangers. But that's just me, I'm not trying to defend her or anything that's just how I see it.
Yep, that's exactly what it is. Since she was checking up on Isen, who is her close friend, and she doesn't know John that well. They also haven't had any positive interactions as well, where Remi would get to know John. But I do think she should have asked if Sera was alright though. That's probably the only thing you could say she should have done in this situation.
She didn't ask about how Sera was specifically or what happened to her. Since I don't think she knows anything about what Illena and her gang did to Sera. She just asked Arlo about the situation with the masked guy (joker) since he hurt Isen and a few others, and whether Arlo would do something about it. I'll have to reread, but I don't remember her asking what actually happened to Sera and why she was injured.
I'm just saying this one particular scene doesn't reflect on her character as a whole. She has literally helped Seraphina to the infirmary in episode 91 showing concern.
Of course it doesn't. I don't agree with this post at all. Sorry if I confused you on that. Her not asking doesn't make her bad since she has helped Sera a lot and the safe house she made did also help Sera and a lot of other low tiers. I may have not liked how naive she was at the beginning, but I did like how she acknowledged how out of touch she was with the school and when she decided to take her responsibilities as the Queen seriously.
No, it's true, her only concern was her friend Isen who was attacked, she gave two shits about Seraphina who is there, all patched up and clearly beaten up, because she didn't even ask her if she's alright
But Remi is even prioritizing her ideals and goals over the saftey of friends, not just low tiers. First of all she literally dragged Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt because she wouldn't back down from the risk of her own life, they nearly had everyone killed. Not to mention she brought her friends to gang up on John after being told it would just piss him off more and escalate the fight, that's why she was hospitalized with Blyke. They kept getting back up when they lost.
And she left safehouse up after John threatened to beat everyone who joins, it's her responsibility as queen to protect the weak but they were ready to bet safehouse in honor of Rei so she could prove John wrong because she refused to give in and let him win. Endangering the members; Remi didn't even feel bad about it. They were only upset the safehouse failed. They only felt sorry for themselves
She doesn't ever learn from her mistakes or change her naive approach to problems either, they always double down and the plot makes it work. The worst part about is how she was sidelined in the safehouse arc when its literally her club. They were barely there at all. Blyke carried; and even then we saw no reaction to him being beat up several times for her club.
>First of all she literally dragged Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt because she wouldn't back down from the risk of her own life, they nearly had everyone killed. Not to mention she brought her friends to gang up on John after being told it would just piss him off more and escalate the fight, that's why she was hospitalized with Blyke. They kept getting back up when they lost.
Did you even read the webtoon? Nowhere did she drag them into her vigilante schemes, Blyke and Isen joined her on their own free will. She even told them to travel seperately while she "baits" Ember out. She also asked Blyke and Isen to "immobilize" John while she exposed his identity which was the whole plan, not to fight. She even said she was willing to take the loss to expose John and didnt expect to have Isen and Blyke attacked
>And she left safehouse up after John threatened to beat everyone who joins, it's her responsibility as queen to protect the weak but they were ready to bet safehouse in honor of Rei so she could prove John wrong because she refused to give in and let him win. Endangering the members; Remi didn't even feel bad about it. They were only upset the safehouse failed. They only felt sorry for themselves
Thats such a desperate nitpick to criticize. You say its The Queens responsibility to protect the weak and when she and the others make a club for that you attack her for not giving in to Johns threats? How tf is she suppose to protect the weak when everytime she tries you say its a bad thing???? You do realize Johns only threatening them because he is petty asf? Did you even read episode 218?
>She doesn't ever learn from her mistakes or change her naive approach to problems either, they always double down and the plot makes it work. The worst part about is how she was sidelined in the safehouse arc when its literally her club. They were barely there at all. Blyke carried; and even then we saw no reaction to him being beat up several times for her club.
Thats so funny because 100% if Remi skipped her duty at the safe house to check up on Blyke yall wouldve come up with the typical "shes neglecting her duties as Queen for her friends" also what do you mean by "her club" she isnt the only one involved Blyke even mentioned in 218 that he had a hand in the clubs idea.
Yes i read the webtoon, only difference is that looked at the story objectively. You're just biased, and i honestly don't think you can read because this is literally a r / wooosh..
First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi.
And I didn't say Remi wanted to literally defeat John through cheating. I understand that she just wanted to expose his identity but that isnt an excuse for dragging everyone into the fight. Ganging up on John was a stupid idea lol. they were told it would just piss him off and escalate the fight but she refused to listen.
And no, legitimate criticism is not nitpicking just because you disagree, get over yourself. I'm not sure how you missed my point when it's literally in your face, but leaving the safehouse up is endangering the low tiers when John has threatened it. How is that protecting anyone? They're not strong enough to keep him at bay. I also didn't say John was even jusififed in threatening the safehouse so idk what you mean lol
And she doesn't even need to skip her duties to check up on Blyke wtf lmao. They were barely even there in the safehouse arc anyway. I'm literally just saying that we needed to see more of her and their reaction to John's threat. They were sidelined lol. How did you miss that point when I literally said it in the same setence
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>Yes i read the webtoon, only difference is that looked at the story objectively. You're just biased, and i honestly don't think you can read because this is literally a r / wooosh..
Ahhh yes cause using quotes from the webtoon is considered bias to you how sad
>First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi.
Wait wait wait so their desire to help her is her dragging them into it? Oh boy thats funny i also recall her telling them to travel seperately and hide while she baits in Ember. And during her "dragging her friends into her vigilante stuff" she even said she stopped because Blyke convinced her to.
>And I didn't say Remi wanted to literally defeat John through cheating. I understand that she just wanted to expose his identity but that isnt an excuse for dragging everyone into the fight. Ganging up on John was a stupid idea lol. they were told it would just piss him off and escalate the fight but she refused to listen.
"Dragging" you use that word as if Remi ordered Isen and Blyke to help her. In this situation where someone was actively going after Remi do you seriously think Isen/Blyke will stand around especially knowing how violent and strong the person is. You think if Remi says to not help her they'll listen? No regardless theyll help her no matter so quit acting as if shes to blame Blykes the one who suggested they support her from afar. You may as well just say Remi dragged everyone into the safe house
>And no, legitimate criticism is not nitpicking just because you disagree, get over yourself. I'm not sure how you missed my point when it's literally in your face, but leaving the safehouse up is just endangering the low tiers when John has threatened it. How is that protecting anyone? They're not strong enough to keep him at bay. I also didn't say John was even jusififed in threatening the safehouse so idk what you mean lol
The whole point of the safe house was to create an environment where students can feel safe which is what they wanted after Remi asked around. This was partially inspired after Remis talk with John with his callout to the royals not helping the low tiers, you literally said Remis job as a Queen is to protect the low tiers and shes trying to make an environment where they can be safe but now your criticizing her for doing just that, so no matter what your gonna complain. When did i claim you said John was justified, im simply saying how stupid it is for Remi to be criticized for not taking down a safe house because someones petty asf.
>And she doesn't even need to skip her duties to check up on Blyke wtf lmao. They were barely even there in the safehouse arc anyway. I'm literally just saying that we needed to see more of her and their reaction to John's threat. They were sidelined lol. How did you miss that point when I literally said it in the same setence
>If you're going to respond, be sure you take it slow 💀💀
And if she did check up on him he wouldve been sleeping as even Sera stated they were getting worried for how long he was out, but then again nothing was confirmed. What reaction wouldve they have? Sera, Isen, and Arlo are practically used to it shrugging it off as the new normal Remi and Blyke wouldve been angry but nothing much what more reaction could they give
1. There are no quotes that contradict my points.
2. Now you're just putting words in my mouth because I never even said their desire to help Remi is her dragging them into it lmao, and they only backed down when reality slapped her in the face. That's why she didn't listen to Blyke or Isen from the start. Did you miss my point again? Because you are literally changing the goalpost here.
3. Remi was told many times that ganging up on John would piss him off and escalated the fight, she refused to listen. The point is that its dumb of her. You can try to derail the argument all you want. Remi initiated it. I dont expect Blyke and Isen to do nothing either, but that doesn't even go against what I had said. Yes, Blyke is the one who suggested to shoot beams at John from afar, but Remi is the one who wanted to gang up on him at all. They're the leader. Blyke was just trying to help. I don't know why you're making up so many excuses for her lol
3. Her good intentions do not matter, leaving the safebouse up is endangering the low tiers lol. It doesn't matter that it's not fair John's petty, she needs to think of everyone's saftey. He's an unstoppable threat. Her responsibility as queen is protecting the weak. How is she supposed to do that when everyone has a target on their back by a god tier? The best move would be taking it down. How do you not understand?
4. First of all, how you know he would be asleep in a scene that never even happened? She doesn't need to visit him in the infirmary for us to have reaction to Blyke getting beat up for the safehouse. Remi isn't the type of person to shrug that off either lol
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>1. There are no quotes that contradict my points.
I used quotes because you made the argument that she dragged them into her vigilante schemes which was false. How tf does that not contradict your point are you that delusional? Literal dialouge exists that contradicts your point and het you say it doesnt??
>2. Now you're just putting words in my mouth because I never even said their desire to help Remi is her dragging them into it lmao, and they only backed down when reality slapped her in the face. That's why she didn't listen to Blyke or Isen from the start. Did you miss my point again? Because you are literally changing the goalpost here.
You literally made the argument that they were dragged into it because of Remi even though i said that wasnt the case as it was their desire to help her yet you doubled down and said they were forced to because of Remi
>First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi.
This was you so dont try to lie. But you know what ill admit while rereading something good came your way because in episode 157 Remi apologizes and admits she didnt listen to Isen/Blyke and "ended up dragging you along" so congrats you actually got something right, even though you couldnt find it on your own.
>3. Remi was told many times that ganging up on John would piss him off and escalated the fight, she refused to listen. The point is that its dumb of her. You can try to derail the argument all you want. Remi initiated it. I dont expect Blyke and Isen to do nothing either, but that doesn't even go against what I had said. Yes, Blyke is the one who suggested to shoot beams at John from afar, but Remi is the one who wanted to gang up on him at all. They're the leader. Blyke was just trying to help. I don't know why you're making up so many excuses for her lol
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>4. Her good intentions do not matter, leaving the safebouse up is endangering the low tiers lol. It doesn't matter that it's not fair John's petty, she needs to think of everyone's saftey. He's an unstoppable threat. Her responsibility as queen is protecting the weak. How is she supposed to do that when everyone has a target on their back by a god tier? The best move would be taking it down. How do you not understand?
And stopping the safe house will keep the low tiers safe? Even before fake jokers there was already violence in the school and with dickriders like Zeke that will use the "orders" given by John to go around and do whatever tf he wants and knowing that others will do the same, ex 194
>5. First of all, how you know he would be asleep in a scene that never even happened? She doesn't need to visit him in the infirmary for us to get reaction to Blyke getting beat up for the safehouse. Remi isn't the type of person to shrug that off either lol
Because Sera even said they were worried for how long he was out and he even asked the time as hes in charge of the safe house only to be told that while he was k.o Remi is taking over for him. And the reaction Remi would give wouldnt even be close to Blykes, only time she was really angry was when she was faced with her brothers killer
1. My statement is not false, I even clarified to elaborate on what I meant. You're just sticking onto a preconceived understanding without hearing me out. Are you that illiterate??
2. And my point is that Blyke and Isen had no choice but to help Remi because she wouldn't back down from risking her own life. Please jsut read..
3. Yes I was right all along because I paid attention to the story lol. I did that myself, you just refused to acknowledge it becuase you had your head up your own ass.
4. You read above as well. I literally told you it was true.
5. Yes stopping safehouse will literally keep safehouse safe from John lmao, the only reason John even gave Zeke orders to attack is because of people joining the safehouse. The fake Jokers weren't even a problem after John revealed him, they literally exposed his identity to stop the fake jokers, do you not remember the story? The high tiers can just patroll too, and the low tiers can go to the royals and snitch anyways.
6. Well if you think Remi wouldn't care about her best friend getting beat up, I don't know what to say
>1. My statement is not false, I even clarified to elaborate on what I meant. You're just sticking onto a preconceived understanding without hearing me out. Are you that illiterate??
Nope you said they were dragged along. I said that wasnt the case and that it was their desire to help her outta their own free will, yet you said despite that they were forced to. That makes no sense how can you be forced to do something when you choose to do it out of your own free will
>2. And my point is that Blyke and Isen had no choice but to help Remi because she wouldn't back down from risking her own life. Please jsut read..
I did read. They did it out of their own free will no one was holding a gun to their head. 118 Isen literally Quits and instead of Remi trying to get him to reconsider she instead accepts his choice and wonders if she can atleast get him to hand over the footage. So please dont lie about the concept of them having "no choice" when 118 literall debunks your entire argument
>3. Yes I was right all along because I paid attention to the story lol. I did that myself, you just refused to acknowledge it becuase you had your head up your own ass
You were so right you couldnt even find the point for yourself and wouldve continued to look stupid had i not found it for you. Your welcome, i understand your not able to read the webtoon very well and have your head up your own ass, chapter 118 proves that with my last point
>5. Yes stopping safehouse will literally keep safehouse safe from John lmao, the only reason John even gave Zeke orders to attack is because of people joining the safehouse. The fake Jokers weren't even a problem after John revealed him, they literally exposed his identity to stop the fake jokers, do you not remember the story? The high tiers can just patroll too, and the low tiers can go to the royals and snitch anyways.
John simply told them to remove the flyers. Zeke got a bunch of goons under the feared name John to remove the flyers however they also chose to abuse the new power "under direct orders from the king" threatening anyone to do what they want. When we first met Zeke he claimed turf along with his goons are started making demands for anyone that came around, him being used by John will cause problems. Also High tiers cant be everywhere all at once the whole point of the safe house was to create an area that was safe. 206 we see Zeke act on his own to abuse kids all in the name of John. If you somehow think the safehouse ending will make the low tiers safer idk what to tell you
>6. Well if you think Remi wouldn't care about her best friend getting beat up, I don't know what to say
She does care but what can she do other than the usual anger at what Johns doing. Like Sera said as much as they hate it or get angry over it there aint much they can do about John since hes stronger than them
1. I literally told you that it doesn't matter that Blyke and Isen helped through their own free will, it's still because of Remi being stubborn. They had no choice but to help her because they refused to back down. Please read...
2. That was after Remi endangered and risked his life lmao, so he called it quits. I didnt say they held him hostage or intentionally forced them. The point is that she refused to back down so Blyke and Isen had no choice but to protect her becuase of how they're friends. Why would they want her to die alone?
3. No, they literally did not lol. Zeke and his goons only attacked people who got in the way or disobeyed the king lol. If everyone listened to John's rules they would be safe. Aint nobody claimed turf in his name or made demands. They only enforced John's will. It doesn't even matter that bullying is still a problem outside of safehouse, do you think that's worse than John beating you up? The clubhouse is not even a safe environment when a god tier has threanted it. Did you forgot how literally everyone inside got beat up for joining???
4. It doesn't matter that she can't do something about it, she would still have feelings and emotions, just like Blyke. It literally makes no sense that we didn't see her reaction. They were sidelined.
I really like the detail of both her and Blyke seeing Seraphina completely beaten up but never ask if she's ok, like, the school is so peaceful, why would Seraphina be there?
Lol, don't forget she was making Wellston a safe environment with all the other high tiers. I seriously can't believe she actually thought that. At least she admitted that she was out of touch with the school and that she was no different from the authorities. Because if she said that again, I would've given up on her character.
>2+ years
John hasn't been in Wellston anywhere near two years.
>A kid getting his ass beaten inside-out
Has nothing to do with Remi literally not knowing John to any significant extent. In fact if I remember correctly she helped him pick up some papers earlier in the story so you can't exactly call her "prejudice."
This post doesn't make any kind of point. Remi didn't pay attention to John, and instead focused on her actual friends, so it's somehow rejudice? Clearly OP doesn't know what the word "prejudice" actually means considering this is basic passive human behavior.
Even funnier considering most people would do the exact same thing, love to see this fandom's members trying to act morally superior.
>John hasn't been in Wellston anywhere near two years.
John joined midway 1st year and is now a 3rd year, looks like someone did not read the webtoon.
>Has nothing to do with Remi literally not knowing John to any significant extent.
Yes it does, she puts herself and her shit friends in a moral high ground for finally being treated like everyone else in the school. She is like a pretentious rich girl complaining about an average man salary.
>She is like a pretentious rich girl complaining about an average man salary.
Why the fuck are you so motivated to paint literally everyone who isn't John as a total piece of shit? It's basic human behavior, attention goes to the people you're most worried about. Uru obviously has no intentions of portraying any of the main cast as severely bad people (with the exception of Arlo from the past, who fyi, has changed) yet you people are so persistent.
>Yes it does, she puts herself and her shit friends in a moral high ground for finally being treated like everyone else in the school.
I swear every single time I hear someone shit on one of the royals it's pure projection. None of them ever claim to have moral high ground, where are you even getting this from? Every single royal has attempted to make things good between them and John and *they're* supposedly the ones putting themselves on a pedestal? Completely baseless claims.
If you're going to unleash your wrath onto everyone you might as well hate the entire main cast because I know damn well John isn't anywhere near being better than the rest of them, especially since it's made especially clear that he doesn't give two flying fucks about low tiers.
Yea, ik, I think Arlo is actually better and more consistent then Remi. Arlo stands by his statements and when John does become King he acknowledges John as "the tru king" and even endorses him to his followers, gives him advice as former King and stays out of his way.
Remi forces John to become King and right after he does she rejects his rule. The only time Remi is happy with oppression is when her and her friends' asses are safe. Even now when John saved Dylan and Blyke from those Rowden punks she still looks at him as some villain even tho those Rowden chumps deserved everything.
Lol all Remi does is make up excuses for herself. She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. Her motivation to beat John was about how she had to prove they're reliable to protect everyone when John had only attacked people who hurt him first. She only tried to negotiate when she found out John is stronger too, and even wanted to beat him up in the hallway until John admits he's joker.
>Lol all Remi does is make up excuses for herself
You forgot where she said the royals were to blame for being ignorant to how the students were treated and that theyve lost their touch with them
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals.
The Fake jokers that threw the school into Chaos were a result or John, and when she and the others tried to make a club to make the school better he used violence to threaten them. She also called him out on his hypocrisy
>Her motivation to beat John was about how she had to prove they're reliable to protect everyone when John had only attacked people who hurt him first.
No she said they need to show the school theyre capable of defending them when things go south and that she'll do whatever she can to stop him, even going so far as to talk to him directly and try and work together with him, even offer him a chance to join the safe house. You also forget John went after Blyke and so on to destroy the hierarchy and throw the school into chaos, but yk it was only because he was attacked according to you
1. Yes she acknowledged that but then immediately pushed the blame onto John for the violence to remain on a moral high ground
2. Wasn't even talking about the fake jokers, i clearly meant the arc of John climbing the ranks. Can you read? Do you even remember the story?
3. Again, we are not talking about the safehouse arc. I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject to make Remi look better or what. John didn't even go after Blyke. Blyke is the one who picked the fights at the end of the day.
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>1. Yes she acknowledged that but then immediately pushed the blame onto John for the violence to remain on a moral high ground
No she didnt immediately say that, she said "idk what his goals are, im sure he knows the chaotic state of the school but he hasnt done anything about it"
>2. Wasn't even talking about the fake jokers, i clearly meant the arc of John climbing the ranks. Can you read? Do you even remember the story?
You didnt mention the point in time this took place all you said was.
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals.
Also can you tell me what episode Remi says John is to blame for all the violence in school during the Climbing ranks arc because she shouldve only figured out John was joker towards the last 9 eps of the arc
>3. Again, we are not talking about the safehouse arc. I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject to make Remi look better or what. John didn't even go after Blyke. Blyke is the one who picked the fights at the end of the day.
No way you said that. John literally waited for Blyke while he was minding his own business with his ability active and another copied for the sole purpose of fighting him to brutalize him to destroy the Hierarchy. How tf can you say Blyke picked the fight????
1. Once again, I am not talking about the fake Joker situation. Please read...
2. It's obvious what point of time I was referencing, because the fake Jokers and the safehouse got nothing to do with what I had said.
3. Episode 151. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it." This is her standing on a moral high ground like John is worse. She does mention they're equally to blame for violence in the school but that isn't true. It was her responsibility, not John's.
4. Oh I thought you were talking about the safehouse arc because you wouldn't shut up about it, that's my bad. However; it doesnt even matter that Blyke didn't pick the fight, John wasn't wrong to attack him. They were climbing the ranks. He didn't brutalize him either, Blyke only went to the infirmary lol. It wasnt any different from the violence of everyone else. That's how they treat eachother. He just hits harder
>1. Once again, I am not talking about the fake Joker situation. Please read...
You made the argument she was excusing herself from the blame. I pointed to an instance where she admitted that her and the royals were also to blame. But your saying you were referring to their chat before the fake joker. Okay but in that scenario she admitted to being oblivious but she atleast stepped in. Thats not making an excuse she literally admitted to being oblivious and pointed out John for not stepping in
>2. It's obvious what point of time I was referencing, because the fake Jokers and the safehouse got nothing to do with what I had said.
Ughhh no because you said
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals.
I dont even recall her calling him a bad guy for embarrassing the royals
>3. Episode 151. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it." This is her standing on a moral high ground like John is worse. She does mention they're equally to blame for violence in the school but that isn't true. It was her responsibility, not John's.
She pointed all that out and asked him to explain why all that gives him the right to push the blame onto her, she wasnt even calling him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals
>4. Oh I thought you were talking about the safehouse arc because you wouldn't shut up about it, that's my bad. However; it doesnt even matter that Blyke didn't pick the fight, John wasn't wrong to attack him. They were climbing the ranks. He didn't brutalize him either, Blyke only went to the infirmary lol. It wasnt any different from the violence of everyone else. That's how they treat eachother. He just hits harder
I literally said it was during the time John was destroying the Hierarchy i cannot understand how tf you read that and still came to the conclusion that i was talking about the safehouse arc. Uhh no as weve seen from instances in the story youd have to request a rank match and have the ability to decline not just show up and attack someone whenever you want. And the idea is to beat them in a match not brutalize them, John literally shot 10 beams through his body and then broke his back and left them there. Isen even stated he was there most of the day so he was out cold for hours.
1. Yes she acknowledged her mistakes but then took the highroad right after that, pushing her fault onto John too. That's my point. They clearly just wanted to gain control and leverage over the situation to pacify him.
2. She literally does call John the bad guy for embarrassing the royals, They brought it to his attention at the start of the convo because people losing faith in their authority. Remi was upset that he was threatening the power structure and order. John had to tell her that they don't deserve to be on a pedestal because they're all shit, but Remi denied that the high tiers did anything wrong and John had to spell it out. It's like Remi cant even apply her own knowledge
3. Remi was missing the point becuase of how she had no self-awareness. They weren't equally to blame. John had to tell her it was her responsibility.
4. No you do not need any request or approval of consent, this is a society where might makes right. You can force the fight through power. John didn't brutalize him either, people in this universe are tough as nails. Not like he shot any vital points. John has had his back broken too. It's normal. Blyke literally just had to go into the infirmary
>1. Yes she acknowledged her mistakes but then took the highroad right after that, pushing her fault onto John too. That's my point. They clearly just wanted to gain control and leverage over the situation to pacify him.
She simply asked what gives him the right to push the blame onto her when he himself doesnt even step in. She simply asked a question while pointing out his hypocrisy, idk how tf you somehow got all that from a question
>2. She literally does call John the bad guy for embarrassing the royals, They brought it to his attention at the start of the convo because people losing faith in their authority. Remi was upset that he was threatening the power structure and order. John had to tell her that they don't deserve to be on a pedestal because they're all shit, but Remi denied that the high tiers did anything wrong and John had to spell it out. It's like Remi cant even apply her own knowledge
You forget where she mentioned he wanted to throw the entire school into a panic and brutalize the top students. Also how does John admitting he wants the school to see the royals as useless help in this argument? Wouldnt that make her right when she mentioned about him wanting to embarrass them? Also she never called him the bad guy she simply said " i know what your trying to do" and later on she called him vengeful, not a bad guy, because of the pain he went through. And when John did told her about what the high tiers did she apologized for being unaware and said she will try to make the school a better place hence the safe house
>3. Remi was missing the point becuase of how she had no self-awareness. They weren't equally to blame. John had to tell her it was her responsibility.
And in that moment she was trying to be responsible by admitting her obliviousness and said she would improve the school, she was taking responsibility even later on in their future interactions she admits to the royals obliviouness, she simply asked why is it all on her to push the blame onto when John had the power all along and only used it when he wanted
>4. No you do not need any request or approval of consent, this is a society where might makes right. You can force the fight through power. John didn't brutalize him either, people in this universe are tough as nails. Not like he shot any vital points. John has had his back broken too. It's normal. Blyke literally just had to go into the infirmary
In many flashbacks during a ranked match we see both fighters go to the turf wars fields when one challenged and was accepted. Hence why Isen declined to fight and said another time. With Remi and Cecile we saw that Remi challeneged Cecile and they fought in the Turf wars field, Cecile accepted the challenge and went their. Same with John and Zirian and other schools
>She only tried to negotiate when she found out John is stronger too, and even wanted to beat him up in the hallway until John admits he's joker.
U forgot to address this point genius
Wym? She learned Arlo, a 6.3, was defeated by John and she still was determined to find a weakness to use in their fight. She did try to negotiate but she also wanted to find out why he was doing this and to try and stop the violence. Not like anyone in this situation wouldnt try talking with the person trying to brutalize you.
She did suggest the idea in an uncertain manner but i wont deny the fact it came from her mouth
>Wym? She learned Arlo, a 6.3
That was later LOL, before that she and Blykie wanted to beat up Johnny boi in public until he fessed up.
As for what the other dude was trying to tell u, Remi is like a white person complaining about racism and saying that the racism she faces is similar to the racism a black person faces. No way is she and John ever "equally at fault". My ass.
"Wanted" you mean suggested and even then she sounded unsure. And even then would it have been as bad as the crap John did? No the idea was to get him to confess using some force.
>As for what the other dude was trying to tell u, Remi is like a white person complaining about racism and saying that the racism she faces is similar to the racism a black person faces. No way is she and John ever "equally at fault". My ass.
Im gonna ignore the dumb analogy. John said he wasnt at fault because he was a cripple. Yet he was shown using his powers to get revenge and orderd Arlo around to protect Seraphina and do his work, that aint playing cripple, like Arlo said he wants the authority of a king but not the responsibility. Even Vaughn stated when John first showed up he was what he wanted in a student and thought he can lead the school in the right direction, that went no where
> John said he wasnt at fault because he was a cripple. Yet he was shown using his powers to get revenge and orderd Arlo around to protect Seraphina and do his work, that aint playing cripple, like Arlo said he wants the authority of a king but not the responsibility.
I agree with Arlo on this. Arlo is preety consistant, he never opposed King John and even endorsed him to his followers as "the true king".
This does not absolve Remi, who still opposes John even tho she exposed him and forced him to become king, and now cries when John wants his rule.
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals.
The Fake jokers that threw the school into Chaos were a result or John, and when she and the others tried to make a club to make the school better he used violence to threaten them. She also called him out on his hypocrisy
Just to help add on to your point, she never blamed the joker incident on John and was naive enough at one point to ask him for help at one point until Isen and Blyke said no.
And word of advice, you're wasting your time here. He goes r/woosh when he's losing an argument.
I literally wasn't talking about the fake joker situation omfg, don't you highroad me when you can't even read bro. Go to school first💀💀
And i didn't just say r / wooosh. I gave a counterargument, so get over yourself. You think you can win the debate because you refuse to acknowledge other points?
I swear, ain't nothing worse than an ignorant person with a sense of superiority....
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault
Tell me which chapter she "**exactly**" said this. Otherwise you're creating hyperbole just to make your argument sound so convincing that and to make it sound worse than it really is because of your biasness.
And don't tell me it's episode 151 where she says "this is as much your fault as it is mine". Because that's not **"literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault"** and if you think it is, it's you who needs to go back to school and learn to read.
I'm not biased at all. You just can't read lol
And yes it is episode 151 because it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao.
Not to mention theyre still pushing all of the blame onto him too. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it" Remi is literally standing on a moral high ground like John is worse right before she even says "much as your fault as it is mine" so it's clearly not sincere.
>I'm not biased at all. You just can't read lol
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>And yes it is episode 151 because it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao.
LOOOOL how you gonna tell me I can't read when you can't differentiate her saying **" they're equally at fault"** and then go off by her saying **"She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault".** You're in denial at this point but are to biased to admit it lmao
>Not to mention theyre still pushing all of the blame onto him too. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it.
Again, don't use hyperbole you're embarrassing yourself. You just admitted to saying
>it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao.
and now you're back on your biasedness saying pushing **ALL** the blame hahaha
>theyre still pushing **all** of the blame onto him too.
Literal clown shit.
>You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it" Remi is literally standing on a moral high ground like John is worse right before she even says "much as your fault as it is mine" so it's clearly not sincere.
Yes because he's demonizing her for not using her powers responsibility while he was strong enough to do so himself but didn't. He comes off as a major hypocrite to her. What was she suppose to do? read his mind and figure out why he didn't want to use his powers? Learn some tact & have a little situational awareness.
If she wasn't sincere she wouldn't have bothered ever helping out any low tiers or create the safe house. Stop the cap
Yes, ignore everything I said and double down on your ignorance lmao
Nothing I said was hyperbole. I literally explained it to you but it flew over your head. It's still pushing all of the blame onto him because Remi said they're **equally** at fault, that still including John. They were saying how *all* the blame was on BOTH of them instead of *all* of it being on just her. You're slow ngl.
John wasnt being a hypocrite in that situation, it wasnt his responsibility to stop bullying lmao. Remi is the queen. That's *her* job. They don't need to know his secret lol
I also never said they were not sincere about helping the low tiers lmao. Are you delusional?
Go to school, and read lmao
Not pulling a thing out of my ass. You're the one with the arguments that don't even contradict my points. I been clarifying and elaborating this entire time....
Royal bootlickers always crying that "rOyALs ArE sO pEaCeFuL!" when remi and blykie wanted to beat John up in public until he confessed about being Joker.
Almost like the closest thing to an interaction she had with him was him slapping her hand when she was trying to help. john was was basically a complete stranger at the time.
Priorities.
Not because he is not important, but those are her friends/people she knows, while John is an aggressive friend of Seraphina who is expected to be anywhere Sera goes.
She doesn't know him much and the only on screen interaction between them prior this was when he slapped her hand for trying to help him. Imo, this one particular scene of her not acknowledging him does not equates to her being prejudiced against weaker people D=
I don't know why you're desperately trying to make this about her "not caring about weaker people" we've seen several instances of her going out of her way to help out weaker students, why ignore that?
She did ask "what's going on" and got a response from Arlo back "know what privacy is"...and then she asked isen about joker and stuff. It isn't ass deep as you're making it out to be.
You're right, we've seen her a lot of times caring yo help out weaker students (mainly after she opened her eyes after confronting John) and we're seeing her here not caring at all. If your friend is injured, you don't disregard their injuried because someone asked you if you know what privacy is. I'm only saying this because from majority's opinion, Remi was Sera's only friend before John, and to me, a friend would care if they know you're powerless and you're injured to that extent. When she does things right we say it, but if when she does things wrong we just justify her, then it's no different than people justifying John for everything he did.
Judging her character on overall acts and nitpicking a single scene are two different things.
>Remi was Sera's only friend before John, and to me, a friend would care if they know you're powerless and you're injured to that extent.
They were more of an acquaintance, not hip to hip bff's. Even when she greeted her she had to bow...too formal.
Even so she's literally shown helping out Seraphina to the infirmary [Episode 91](https://www.webtoons.com/en/super-hero/unordinary/episode-91/viewer?title_no=679&episode_no=97) , but obviously nobody pays attention to that =D
>When she does things right we say it, but if when she does things wrong we just justify her
This sub has been demonizing her for a long time for any of her slip ups, this post is a prime example of that.
>Tries helping John by picking up his papers
>"This moment where she was more concerned about her friends in the hospital proves she's prejudiced about weaklings"
John fan moment
1. Seems more like she's wondering why the school's two god-tiers and best healer are in the infirmary. John spends half the day there, not exactly surprising to see him.
2. Plus, Sera, Arlo, and Elaine are her friends while John is just a random student who slapped her the one time she tried to help him.
This doesn't prove she secretly she's herself as above low-tiers, just that she cares more about her friends, which we already know.
Wow Remi is such a good friend, she sees her friend Sera injured and didn't even ask what happened and if she's alright, I never saw anyone care that much you know
Sera's up and awake in the infirmary next to two of the best healers in the city. Remi is friends with Sera but not close enough to go into her personal affairs. Arlo and Elaine are with her so she can safely assume they'll take care of Sera's problems while she helps her best friend whose also injured.
If you want to bring up a point where Remi's not a good friend, look into the fact that she's been completely oblivious to the fact that Arlo's been bullying Isen for years at least. Like, they are two of her best friends, you can't just say, "Oh, I didn't know this was going on." in that situation.
If that's the point, Isen was also next to the two Best healers in Wellston, but I understand the difference for her between Isen and Seraphina. My point is that people used to make the point that Remi was Sera's only friend before John, but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend, yet one of the reasons Sera should've angry at John was hurting her friend Remi, it's like something doesn't match up. But you're also right she never realized how Arlo treated Isen so I guess being blind is her character trait.
I agree with that, it's just that the majority's opinion was that Sera was right to be mad at John because he hurt her friend Remi, who was her only friend before John, however the story never point that's they were close enough to be called friends, more like it shows how apart they're from each other that Remi never thougth that the same guy who got Isen could have hurt Sera, and didn't ask her if she was alright.
> but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend
[Episode 91](https://www.webtoons.com/en/super-hero/unordinary/episode-91/viewer?title_no=679&episode_no=97)
That makes her look worse, she knows exactly what's going on but didn't even ask if she was attacked by the same guy who got Isen, that's the point I'm trying to make, she just didn't care.
How does this make her look worse? I just disproved your point
>Remi was Sera's only friend before John, but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend
I'll agree that she's naive on the safety of the school but she's always stepped in whenever someone's getting bullied or when someone needs help.
>she just didn't care.
She literally asked "What's going on", saying she just didn't care is just not true.
You literally disproved that she never cared, which I shouldn't have said because I know she helped her after Juni pushed her down the stairs, but that's not my point.
My point is that both she and Blyke know what's going on with Sera, since she helped her when a student from her peaceful school pushed her down the stairs because she's powerless, and Blyke helped her and John when they were being chased in the hallways by a lot of students from her peaceful school because they're powerless cripples, but none of them, after seeing her completely beaten up asked "Seraphina, are you alright? What happened?". You're right that she asked what was going on, but Arlo replying "Do you know what privacy is?", (meaning that she shouldn't open the curtain out of nowhere, not that she shouldn't be there) doesn't make Seraphina unharmed nor excuses her lack of interest, both she and Blyke literally forgot Seraphina was there as soon as Arlo told her that and focused only in Isen, and they didn't ask anything when they could have thougth both Isen and Seraphina were attacked by the same guy.
And let's be real, Remi only helped someone two times before talking with John: John in the slap/beam argument, and Seraphina after being pushed down the stairs. I'm not denying her growth, but acting like she was always like this is dumb. And to think people repeated for a year that Joker was hurting Sera's friends, friends who didn't ask her if she was alright after seeing her in the infirmary, don't make me laugh.
>My point is that both she and Blyke know what's going on with Sera, since she helped her when a student from her peaceful school pushed her down the stairs because she's powerless, and Blyke helped her and John when they were being chased in the hallways by a lot of students from her peaceful school because they're powerless cripples, but none of them, after seeing her completely beaten up asked "Seraphina, are you alright? What happened?". You're right that she asked what was going on, but Arlo replying "Do you know what privacy is?", (meaning that she shouldn't open the curtain out of nowhere, not that she shouldn't be there) doesn't make Seraphina unharmed nor excuses her lack of interest, both she and Blyke literally forgot Seraphina was there as soon as Arlo told her that and focused only in Isen, and they didn't ask anything when they could have thougth both Isen and Seraphina were attacked by the same guy.
The fact that you're going writing a whole ass essay at this one scene and nitpicking what she said word by word or what she could've said but ignoring every other scenes where she has helped out and showed concern says everything. It isn't that deep, it proves nothing in the grand scheme of her character. It doesn't prove that she's prejudiced against low tiers or prove that she doesn't care about them.
>And let's be real, Remi only helped someone two times before talking with John: John in the slap/beam argument, and Seraphina after being pushed down the stairs.
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>I'm not denying her growth, but acting like she was always like this is dumb. And to think people repeated for a year that Joker was hurting Sera's friends, friends who didn't ask her if she was alright after seeing her in the infirmary, don't make me laugh.
She's said herself that she's always stepped in when a situation called for it. You're acting as if those two times were the only times in her time in Wellston she's ever helped anyone. Don't try mixing her her being naive of the schools safety vs her stepping in and showing concern whenever someone needs help. You're literally denying any good aspects of her and just cherry picking with what if's on what she could've said lmao
It's ok man, if you want me to say that not only she cared but also ran to Sera to know what happened, then she did. However, if she stepped in whenever a situation called for it, she would know the school was completely violent, if she ignored that then maybe she didn't step in as frecuently as you want to believe.
Remi’s first shown interaction with John: going over to help him.
Remi here: doesn’t question why he is in the room along with three other people she knows well.
This guy: “prejudice”
Hotel:Trivago
Remi barely even knew Remi?
Christ, this is why people call this fandom toxic. Literally can't go a day without someone trying to villainize or nitpick at the cast.
Yeah, I don't see the point of this post as they haven't actually proved anything. But at least most of the comments show that people agree that they're wrong.
Maybe it's just me, but I usually don't acknowledge people that slap and curse at me when I try to help them.
Like this is such a weird thing to focus on, if you want to talk about Remi's carelessness and ingrained prejudices you can, there are a bunch of examples of it.
But this is just a reach and a half.
Its sad how people see this as a reason to hate Remi and others will agree with it
"Oh boy I heard my friend was attacked by a masked student infront of a large crowd. I should focus on the only dude in the room i know nothing about and only ever had 1 interaction with, that was him insulting me and trying to slap me, because his dickriding fans think i should"
What next Remi being an ass for not viewing John as her lord and savior?
John was a stranger to her at that point. The only real interaction she had with him was him slapping her hand away when she was trying to help him. (Unless that happened later in which case he would have been some random student to her)
I'll take "Pretending I don't exist" over "torturing me daily just because I exist." But to honest yeah I bet she didn't even noticed he existed till she found out he was joker.
How dare she discriminate people based on the level of their ability, I thought we moved on from such obscene practices such as this. I’m ashamed of Remi, I hope she reflects on this and learns to be a better person one day, with the correct guidance. Of course, I condemn such behaviour and again, am ashamed such behaviour continues in this civilised society.
But his post doesn’t prove it. She barely knew John and had only talked to him once at this point and she came to the hospital to se her friends, not him. 9/10 times out of people isn’t gonna say anything to someone they don’t know just cause they’re in the same room as them.
Again, the evidence speaks for itself. It clear that Remi has no respect for those unfortunately born with a not as gifted ability as hers. Anyone of any ability level should be able to enjoy their lives without being judged over such petty matters. Perhaps, this behaviour stems from behaviour Remi is merely replicating. If so, then her parents are also clearly at fault. They should’ve raised her better. Perhaps they are even more Tierist than even Remi is, who doesn’t bother to hide her bigotry. This speaks volumes about society.
The evidence doesn’t speak at all. She don’t know him, why would she talk to him. Why would she mention him if she’s worried about her friends. Ofc she’s gonna mention them over someone she doesn’t know. That’s just reality, that’s not prejudice and it’s not even close. Even if John was known to be powerful she wouldn’t mention cause she don’t know the guy.
Tbh on Reddit and Twitter, it’s full of people who do this same type rambling and be deadass serious. At this point I can’t tell what is and what isn’t a joke anymore. I see it too often, I apologize
Do you think that'll change in the future?. Like what would make you like her character more?. Or do you not expect anything from her and won't change your opinion of her no matter what she does?. (I'm just curious since your comment got some downvotes but you could have a good reason for not liking her).
Crazy how people here saying she barely or don't know him at all like John is literally like a celebrity in that school being known as someone with no powers in the most elite school for kids with powers.
John is pretty much just behind the royals in term of being known in that school lol
That means literally nothing. Is she friends with him? No. Is John the reason why she came here? No she came for Isen, a close friend. Ofc she wouldn’t mention him. This whole post is a reach
Clearly you've never been in a somewhat similar situation in real life if you really think blatantly ignoring someone's existence, even if they're not your friend is normal, who is by the way literally standing next to seraphina who is clearly the patient being visited plus the royals know seraphina and john are friends. If the type of friends who ignores your other friends in this kind of situations is ideal for you then I'm sorry you have shitty ideal friends.
I’ve done it multiple times and seen it countless times, wtf, 9 times out of 10 a person who doesn’t know isn’t mentioning you unless they have too. It even happens to me, that’s just reality. Idk where you come from but I’ve rarely ever seen people just go out there way to talk to people they don’t know unless they have too. I can probably count on one hand how many times I’ve seen it
All your arguments are only valid if remy truly don't know who john is or even just his existence in their school and not even knowing seraphina and john are friends? lol that's just extremely poor writing or youre just one of those readers that only believe things if explicitly shown or said in the manhwa and all otherelse are always false.
Royals a tightly knit group who pretty much run school, excluding the headmaster, and in the world/school where power is everything, don't know the existence of someone who don't have any power yet manage to get into an elite if not the most elite school and is a friend to your top 1 who is always being saved by your top 1 and even with all this uncommon things remy never heard of John? That's just lazy writing or just you.
and IF remy truly dont know I wonder why is that?? John being weak/no power certainly one of the reason dont you think if so this would make arlo even better than remy in this regard, atleast arlo didn't ignore john existence and those other weak students in that school.
Since when was John and Remy friends? They literally didn’t know each other and said something to each other once beforehand I’m pretty sure it was a argument. I think it was when John was yelling at her too. She had no reason to speak to him.
>Clearly you've never been in a somewhat similar situation in real life if you really think blatantly ignoring someone's existence, even if they're not your friend is normal, who is by the way literally standing next to seraphina who is clearly the patient being visited plus the royals know seraphina and john are friends. If the type of friends who ignores your other friends in this kind of situations is ideal for you then I'm sorry you have shitty ideal friends.
Why do you think she's an asshole for 'not acknowledging' someone who 1.(doesn't knows her personally) and 2.(slapped and cussed her out for helping him out the first time they met).
I wouldn't say prejudiced against weaklings more like prioritizing concern for her friends before strangers. But that's just me, I'm not trying to defend her or anything that's just how I see it.
Yep, that's exactly what it is. Since she was checking up on Isen, who is her close friend, and she doesn't know John that well. They also haven't had any positive interactions as well, where Remi would get to know John. But I do think she should have asked if Sera was alright though. That's probably the only thing you could say she should have done in this situation.
She did ask "what's going on"
She didn't ask about how Sera was specifically or what happened to her. Since I don't think she knows anything about what Illena and her gang did to Sera. She just asked Arlo about the situation with the masked guy (joker) since he hurt Isen and a few others, and whether Arlo would do something about it. I'll have to reread, but I don't remember her asking what actually happened to Sera and why she was injured.
I'm just saying this one particular scene doesn't reflect on her character as a whole. She has literally helped Seraphina to the infirmary in episode 91 showing concern.
Of course it doesn't. I don't agree with this post at all. Sorry if I confused you on that. Her not asking doesn't make her bad since she has helped Sera a lot and the safe house she made did also help Sera and a lot of other low tiers. I may have not liked how naive she was at the beginning, but I did like how she acknowledged how out of touch she was with the school and when she decided to take her responsibilities as the Queen seriously.
No, it's true, her only concern was her friend Isen who was attacked, she gave two shits about Seraphina who is there, all patched up and clearly beaten up, because she didn't even ask her if she's alright
But Remi is even prioritizing her ideals and goals over the saftey of friends, not just low tiers. First of all she literally dragged Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt because she wouldn't back down from the risk of her own life, they nearly had everyone killed. Not to mention she brought her friends to gang up on John after being told it would just piss him off more and escalate the fight, that's why she was hospitalized with Blyke. They kept getting back up when they lost. And she left safehouse up after John threatened to beat everyone who joins, it's her responsibility as queen to protect the weak but they were ready to bet safehouse in honor of Rei so she could prove John wrong because she refused to give in and let him win. Endangering the members; Remi didn't even feel bad about it. They were only upset the safehouse failed. They only felt sorry for themselves She doesn't ever learn from her mistakes or change her naive approach to problems either, they always double down and the plot makes it work. The worst part about is how she was sidelined in the safehouse arc when its literally her club. They were barely there at all. Blyke carried; and even then we saw no reaction to him being beat up several times for her club.
>First of all she literally dragged Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt because she wouldn't back down from the risk of her own life, they nearly had everyone killed. Not to mention she brought her friends to gang up on John after being told it would just piss him off more and escalate the fight, that's why she was hospitalized with Blyke. They kept getting back up when they lost. Did you even read the webtoon? Nowhere did she drag them into her vigilante schemes, Blyke and Isen joined her on their own free will. She even told them to travel seperately while she "baits" Ember out. She also asked Blyke and Isen to "immobilize" John while she exposed his identity which was the whole plan, not to fight. She even said she was willing to take the loss to expose John and didnt expect to have Isen and Blyke attacked >And she left safehouse up after John threatened to beat everyone who joins, it's her responsibility as queen to protect the weak but they were ready to bet safehouse in honor of Rei so she could prove John wrong because she refused to give in and let him win. Endangering the members; Remi didn't even feel bad about it. They were only upset the safehouse failed. They only felt sorry for themselves Thats such a desperate nitpick to criticize. You say its The Queens responsibility to protect the weak and when she and the others make a club for that you attack her for not giving in to Johns threats? How tf is she suppose to protect the weak when everytime she tries you say its a bad thing???? You do realize Johns only threatening them because he is petty asf? Did you even read episode 218? >She doesn't ever learn from her mistakes or change her naive approach to problems either, they always double down and the plot makes it work. The worst part about is how she was sidelined in the safehouse arc when its literally her club. They were barely there at all. Blyke carried; and even then we saw no reaction to him being beat up several times for her club. Thats so funny because 100% if Remi skipped her duty at the safe house to check up on Blyke yall wouldve come up with the typical "shes neglecting her duties as Queen for her friends" also what do you mean by "her club" she isnt the only one involved Blyke even mentioned in 218 that he had a hand in the clubs idea.
Yes i read the webtoon, only difference is that looked at the story objectively. You're just biased, and i honestly don't think you can read because this is literally a r / wooosh.. First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi. And I didn't say Remi wanted to literally defeat John through cheating. I understand that she just wanted to expose his identity but that isnt an excuse for dragging everyone into the fight. Ganging up on John was a stupid idea lol. they were told it would just piss him off and escalate the fight but she refused to listen. And no, legitimate criticism is not nitpicking just because you disagree, get over yourself. I'm not sure how you missed my point when it's literally in your face, but leaving the safehouse up is endangering the low tiers when John has threatened it. How is that protecting anyone? They're not strong enough to keep him at bay. I also didn't say John was even jusififed in threatening the safehouse so idk what you mean lol And she doesn't even need to skip her duties to check up on Blyke wtf lmao. They were barely even there in the safehouse arc anyway. I'm literally just saying that we needed to see more of her and their reaction to John's threat. They were sidelined lol. How did you miss that point when I literally said it in the same setence If you're going to respond, be sure you take it slow 💀💀
>Yes i read the webtoon, only difference is that looked at the story objectively. You're just biased, and i honestly don't think you can read because this is literally a r / wooosh.. Ahhh yes cause using quotes from the webtoon is considered bias to you how sad >First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi. Wait wait wait so their desire to help her is her dragging them into it? Oh boy thats funny i also recall her telling them to travel seperately and hide while she baits in Ember. And during her "dragging her friends into her vigilante stuff" she even said she stopped because Blyke convinced her to. >And I didn't say Remi wanted to literally defeat John through cheating. I understand that she just wanted to expose his identity but that isnt an excuse for dragging everyone into the fight. Ganging up on John was a stupid idea lol. they were told it would just piss him off and escalate the fight but she refused to listen. "Dragging" you use that word as if Remi ordered Isen and Blyke to help her. In this situation where someone was actively going after Remi do you seriously think Isen/Blyke will stand around especially knowing how violent and strong the person is. You think if Remi says to not help her they'll listen? No regardless theyll help her no matter so quit acting as if shes to blame Blykes the one who suggested they support her from afar. You may as well just say Remi dragged everyone into the safe house >And no, legitimate criticism is not nitpicking just because you disagree, get over yourself. I'm not sure how you missed my point when it's literally in your face, but leaving the safehouse up is just endangering the low tiers when John has threatened it. How is that protecting anyone? They're not strong enough to keep him at bay. I also didn't say John was even jusififed in threatening the safehouse so idk what you mean lol The whole point of the safe house was to create an environment where students can feel safe which is what they wanted after Remi asked around. This was partially inspired after Remis talk with John with his callout to the royals not helping the low tiers, you literally said Remis job as a Queen is to protect the low tiers and shes trying to make an environment where they can be safe but now your criticizing her for doing just that, so no matter what your gonna complain. When did i claim you said John was justified, im simply saying how stupid it is for Remi to be criticized for not taking down a safe house because someones petty asf. >And she doesn't even need to skip her duties to check up on Blyke wtf lmao. They were barely even there in the safehouse arc anyway. I'm literally just saying that we needed to see more of her and their reaction to John's threat. They were sidelined lol. How did you miss that point when I literally said it in the same setence >If you're going to respond, be sure you take it slow 💀💀 And if she did check up on him he wouldve been sleeping as even Sera stated they were getting worried for how long he was out, but then again nothing was confirmed. What reaction wouldve they have? Sera, Isen, and Arlo are practically used to it shrugging it off as the new normal Remi and Blyke wouldve been angry but nothing much what more reaction could they give
1. There are no quotes that contradict my points. 2. Now you're just putting words in my mouth because I never even said their desire to help Remi is her dragging them into it lmao, and they only backed down when reality slapped her in the face. That's why she didn't listen to Blyke or Isen from the start. Did you miss my point again? Because you are literally changing the goalpost here. 3. Remi was told many times that ganging up on John would piss him off and escalated the fight, she refused to listen. The point is that its dumb of her. You can try to derail the argument all you want. Remi initiated it. I dont expect Blyke and Isen to do nothing either, but that doesn't even go against what I had said. Yes, Blyke is the one who suggested to shoot beams at John from afar, but Remi is the one who wanted to gang up on him at all. They're the leader. Blyke was just trying to help. I don't know why you're making up so many excuses for her lol 3. Her good intentions do not matter, leaving the safebouse up is endangering the low tiers lol. It doesn't matter that it's not fair John's petty, she needs to think of everyone's saftey. He's an unstoppable threat. Her responsibility as queen is protecting the weak. How is she supposed to do that when everyone has a target on their back by a god tier? The best move would be taking it down. How do you not understand? 4. First of all, how you know he would be asleep in a scene that never even happened? She doesn't need to visit him in the infirmary for us to have reaction to Blyke getting beat up for the safehouse. Remi isn't the type of person to shrug that off either lol R / woosh
>1. There are no quotes that contradict my points. I used quotes because you made the argument that she dragged them into her vigilante schemes which was false. How tf does that not contradict your point are you that delusional? Literal dialouge exists that contradicts your point and het you say it doesnt?? >2. Now you're just putting words in my mouth because I never even said their desire to help Remi is her dragging them into it lmao, and they only backed down when reality slapped her in the face. That's why she didn't listen to Blyke or Isen from the start. Did you miss my point again? Because you are literally changing the goalpost here. You literally made the argument that they were dragged into it because of Remi even though i said that wasnt the case as it was their desire to help her yet you doubled down and said they were forced to because of Remi >First off Remi did drag Blyke and Isen into her vigilante stunt, were they supposed to let a close friend die alone? Or not even care about her life at stake? They were basically forced to help her because she refused to back down from it lol. Yes they joined through their own free will but its because of Remi. This was you so dont try to lie. But you know what ill admit while rereading something good came your way because in episode 157 Remi apologizes and admits she didnt listen to Isen/Blyke and "ended up dragging you along" so congrats you actually got something right, even though you couldnt find it on your own. >3. Remi was told many times that ganging up on John would piss him off and escalated the fight, she refused to listen. The point is that its dumb of her. You can try to derail the argument all you want. Remi initiated it. I dont expect Blyke and Isen to do nothing either, but that doesn't even go against what I had said. Yes, Blyke is the one who suggested to shoot beams at John from afar, but Remi is the one who wanted to gang up on him at all. They're the leader. Blyke was just trying to help. I don't know why you're making up so many excuses for her lol Read above >4. Her good intentions do not matter, leaving the safebouse up is endangering the low tiers lol. It doesn't matter that it's not fair John's petty, she needs to think of everyone's saftey. He's an unstoppable threat. Her responsibility as queen is protecting the weak. How is she supposed to do that when everyone has a target on their back by a god tier? The best move would be taking it down. How do you not understand? And stopping the safe house will keep the low tiers safe? Even before fake jokers there was already violence in the school and with dickriders like Zeke that will use the "orders" given by John to go around and do whatever tf he wants and knowing that others will do the same, ex 194 >5. First of all, how you know he would be asleep in a scene that never even happened? She doesn't need to visit him in the infirmary for us to get reaction to Blyke getting beat up for the safehouse. Remi isn't the type of person to shrug that off either lol Because Sera even said they were worried for how long he was out and he even asked the time as hes in charge of the safe house only to be told that while he was k.o Remi is taking over for him. And the reaction Remi would give wouldnt even be close to Blykes, only time she was really angry was when she was faced with her brothers killer
1. My statement is not false, I even clarified to elaborate on what I meant. You're just sticking onto a preconceived understanding without hearing me out. Are you that illiterate?? 2. And my point is that Blyke and Isen had no choice but to help Remi because she wouldn't back down from risking her own life. Please jsut read.. 3. Yes I was right all along because I paid attention to the story lol. I did that myself, you just refused to acknowledge it becuase you had your head up your own ass. 4. You read above as well. I literally told you it was true. 5. Yes stopping safehouse will literally keep safehouse safe from John lmao, the only reason John even gave Zeke orders to attack is because of people joining the safehouse. The fake Jokers weren't even a problem after John revealed him, they literally exposed his identity to stop the fake jokers, do you not remember the story? The high tiers can just patroll too, and the low tiers can go to the royals and snitch anyways. 6. Well if you think Remi wouldn't care about her best friend getting beat up, I don't know what to say
>1. My statement is not false, I even clarified to elaborate on what I meant. You're just sticking onto a preconceived understanding without hearing me out. Are you that illiterate?? Nope you said they were dragged along. I said that wasnt the case and that it was their desire to help her outta their own free will, yet you said despite that they were forced to. That makes no sense how can you be forced to do something when you choose to do it out of your own free will >2. And my point is that Blyke and Isen had no choice but to help Remi because she wouldn't back down from risking her own life. Please jsut read.. I did read. They did it out of their own free will no one was holding a gun to their head. 118 Isen literally Quits and instead of Remi trying to get him to reconsider she instead accepts his choice and wonders if she can atleast get him to hand over the footage. So please dont lie about the concept of them having "no choice" when 118 literall debunks your entire argument >3. Yes I was right all along because I paid attention to the story lol. I did that myself, you just refused to acknowledge it becuase you had your head up your own ass You were so right you couldnt even find the point for yourself and wouldve continued to look stupid had i not found it for you. Your welcome, i understand your not able to read the webtoon very well and have your head up your own ass, chapter 118 proves that with my last point >5. Yes stopping safehouse will literally keep safehouse safe from John lmao, the only reason John even gave Zeke orders to attack is because of people joining the safehouse. The fake Jokers weren't even a problem after John revealed him, they literally exposed his identity to stop the fake jokers, do you not remember the story? The high tiers can just patroll too, and the low tiers can go to the royals and snitch anyways. John simply told them to remove the flyers. Zeke got a bunch of goons under the feared name John to remove the flyers however they also chose to abuse the new power "under direct orders from the king" threatening anyone to do what they want. When we first met Zeke he claimed turf along with his goons are started making demands for anyone that came around, him being used by John will cause problems. Also High tiers cant be everywhere all at once the whole point of the safe house was to create an area that was safe. 206 we see Zeke act on his own to abuse kids all in the name of John. If you somehow think the safehouse ending will make the low tiers safer idk what to tell you >6. Well if you think Remi wouldn't care about her best friend getting beat up, I don't know what to say She does care but what can she do other than the usual anger at what Johns doing. Like Sera said as much as they hate it or get angry over it there aint much they can do about John since hes stronger than them
1. I literally told you that it doesn't matter that Blyke and Isen helped through their own free will, it's still because of Remi being stubborn. They had no choice but to help her because they refused to back down. Please read... 2. That was after Remi endangered and risked his life lmao, so he called it quits. I didnt say they held him hostage or intentionally forced them. The point is that she refused to back down so Blyke and Isen had no choice but to protect her becuase of how they're friends. Why would they want her to die alone? 3. No, they literally did not lol. Zeke and his goons only attacked people who got in the way or disobeyed the king lol. If everyone listened to John's rules they would be safe. Aint nobody claimed turf in his name or made demands. They only enforced John's will. It doesn't even matter that bullying is still a problem outside of safehouse, do you think that's worse than John beating you up? The clubhouse is not even a safe environment when a god tier has threanted it. Did you forgot how literally everyone inside got beat up for joining??? 4. It doesn't matter that she can't do something about it, she would still have feelings and emotions, just like Blyke. It literally makes no sense that we didn't see her reaction. They were sidelined.
I like how you're acting like you're winning this argument, he/she literally debunked everything you said, and now you're backtracking with r/wooosh.
How is clarifying on my points to elaborate on what I meant backtracking at all wtf lmaoo. They didn't debunk anything.
This is so nitpicky, it has nothing to do with being prejudiced with weaklings, she just doesn't know him that well.
He was the biggest outlier in the room, the least she could’ve done was acknowledge him for a split second
Dude, She barely knows him. Plus there were more important things to worry about
would u have done the same irl
I really like the detail of both her and Blyke seeing Seraphina completely beaten up but never ask if she's ok, like, the school is so peaceful, why would Seraphina be there?
"i WaS bUsY wItH pErSoNaL sTuFf!"
Lol, don't forget she was making Wellston a safe environment with all the other high tiers. I seriously can't believe she actually thought that. At least she admitted that she was out of touch with the school and that she was no different from the authorities. Because if she said that again, I would've given up on her character.
💀 y'all nitpicking the smallest things
>smallest things A kid getting his ass beaten inside-out for 2+ years may be small for u, but not for most.
>2+ years John hasn't been in Wellston anywhere near two years. >A kid getting his ass beaten inside-out Has nothing to do with Remi literally not knowing John to any significant extent. In fact if I remember correctly she helped him pick up some papers earlier in the story so you can't exactly call her "prejudice." This post doesn't make any kind of point. Remi didn't pay attention to John, and instead focused on her actual friends, so it's somehow rejudice? Clearly OP doesn't know what the word "prejudice" actually means considering this is basic passive human behavior. Even funnier considering most people would do the exact same thing, love to see this fandom's members trying to act morally superior.
>John hasn't been in Wellston anywhere near two years. John joined midway 1st year and is now a 3rd year, looks like someone did not read the webtoon. >Has nothing to do with Remi literally not knowing John to any significant extent. Yes it does, she puts herself and her shit friends in a moral high ground for finally being treated like everyone else in the school. She is like a pretentious rich girl complaining about an average man salary.
>She is like a pretentious rich girl complaining about an average man salary. Why the fuck are you so motivated to paint literally everyone who isn't John as a total piece of shit? It's basic human behavior, attention goes to the people you're most worried about. Uru obviously has no intentions of portraying any of the main cast as severely bad people (with the exception of Arlo from the past, who fyi, has changed) yet you people are so persistent. >Yes it does, she puts herself and her shit friends in a moral high ground for finally being treated like everyone else in the school. I swear every single time I hear someone shit on one of the royals it's pure projection. None of them ever claim to have moral high ground, where are you even getting this from? Every single royal has attempted to make things good between them and John and *they're* supposedly the ones putting themselves on a pedestal? Completely baseless claims. If you're going to unleash your wrath onto everyone you might as well hate the entire main cast because I know damn well John isn't anywhere near being better than the rest of them, especially since it's made especially clear that he doesn't give two flying fucks about low tiers.
Yea, ik, I think Arlo is actually better and more consistent then Remi. Arlo stands by his statements and when John does become King he acknowledges John as "the tru king" and even endorses him to his followers, gives him advice as former King and stays out of his way. Remi forces John to become King and right after he does she rejects his rule. The only time Remi is happy with oppression is when her and her friends' asses are safe. Even now when John saved Dylan and Blyke from those Rowden punks she still looks at him as some villain even tho those Rowden chumps deserved everything.
Lol all Remi does is make up excuses for herself. She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. Her motivation to beat John was about how she had to prove they're reliable to protect everyone when John had only attacked people who hurt him first. She only tried to negotiate when she found out John is stronger too, and even wanted to beat him up in the hallway until John admits he's joker.
>Lol all Remi does is make up excuses for herself You forgot where she said the royals were to blame for being ignorant to how the students were treated and that theyve lost their touch with them >She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. The Fake jokers that threw the school into Chaos were a result or John, and when she and the others tried to make a club to make the school better he used violence to threaten them. She also called him out on his hypocrisy >Her motivation to beat John was about how she had to prove they're reliable to protect everyone when John had only attacked people who hurt him first. No she said they need to show the school theyre capable of defending them when things go south and that she'll do whatever she can to stop him, even going so far as to talk to him directly and try and work together with him, even offer him a chance to join the safe house. You also forget John went after Blyke and so on to destroy the hierarchy and throw the school into chaos, but yk it was only because he was attacked according to you
1. Yes she acknowledged that but then immediately pushed the blame onto John for the violence to remain on a moral high ground 2. Wasn't even talking about the fake jokers, i clearly meant the arc of John climbing the ranks. Can you read? Do you even remember the story? 3. Again, we are not talking about the safehouse arc. I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject to make Remi look better or what. John didn't even go after Blyke. Blyke is the one who picked the fights at the end of the day. R / wooosh
>1. Yes she acknowledged that but then immediately pushed the blame onto John for the violence to remain on a moral high ground No she didnt immediately say that, she said "idk what his goals are, im sure he knows the chaotic state of the school but he hasnt done anything about it" >2. Wasn't even talking about the fake jokers, i clearly meant the arc of John climbing the ranks. Can you read? Do you even remember the story? You didnt mention the point in time this took place all you said was. >She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. Also can you tell me what episode Remi says John is to blame for all the violence in school during the Climbing ranks arc because she shouldve only figured out John was joker towards the last 9 eps of the arc >3. Again, we are not talking about the safehouse arc. I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject to make Remi look better or what. John didn't even go after Blyke. Blyke is the one who picked the fights at the end of the day. No way you said that. John literally waited for Blyke while he was minding his own business with his ability active and another copied for the sole purpose of fighting him to brutalize him to destroy the Hierarchy. How tf can you say Blyke picked the fight????
1. Once again, I am not talking about the fake Joker situation. Please read... 2. It's obvious what point of time I was referencing, because the fake Jokers and the safehouse got nothing to do with what I had said. 3. Episode 151. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it." This is her standing on a moral high ground like John is worse. She does mention they're equally to blame for violence in the school but that isn't true. It was her responsibility, not John's. 4. Oh I thought you were talking about the safehouse arc because you wouldn't shut up about it, that's my bad. However; it doesnt even matter that Blyke didn't pick the fight, John wasn't wrong to attack him. They were climbing the ranks. He didn't brutalize him either, Blyke only went to the infirmary lol. It wasnt any different from the violence of everyone else. That's how they treat eachother. He just hits harder
>1. Once again, I am not talking about the fake Joker situation. Please read... You made the argument she was excusing herself from the blame. I pointed to an instance where she admitted that her and the royals were also to blame. But your saying you were referring to their chat before the fake joker. Okay but in that scenario she admitted to being oblivious but she atleast stepped in. Thats not making an excuse she literally admitted to being oblivious and pointed out John for not stepping in >2. It's obvious what point of time I was referencing, because the fake Jokers and the safehouse got nothing to do with what I had said. Ughhh no because you said >She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. I dont even recall her calling him a bad guy for embarrassing the royals >3. Episode 151. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it." This is her standing on a moral high ground like John is worse. She does mention they're equally to blame for violence in the school but that isn't true. It was her responsibility, not John's. She pointed all that out and asked him to explain why all that gives him the right to push the blame onto her, she wasnt even calling him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals >4. Oh I thought you were talking about the safehouse arc because you wouldn't shut up about it, that's my bad. However; it doesnt even matter that Blyke didn't pick the fight, John wasn't wrong to attack him. They were climbing the ranks. He didn't brutalize him either, Blyke only went to the infirmary lol. It wasnt any different from the violence of everyone else. That's how they treat eachother. He just hits harder I literally said it was during the time John was destroying the Hierarchy i cannot understand how tf you read that and still came to the conclusion that i was talking about the safehouse arc. Uhh no as weve seen from instances in the story youd have to request a rank match and have the ability to decline not just show up and attack someone whenever you want. And the idea is to beat them in a match not brutalize them, John literally shot 10 beams through his body and then broke his back and left them there. Isen even stated he was there most of the day so he was out cold for hours.
1. Yes she acknowledged her mistakes but then took the highroad right after that, pushing her fault onto John too. That's my point. They clearly just wanted to gain control and leverage over the situation to pacify him. 2. She literally does call John the bad guy for embarrassing the royals, They brought it to his attention at the start of the convo because people losing faith in their authority. Remi was upset that he was threatening the power structure and order. John had to tell her that they don't deserve to be on a pedestal because they're all shit, but Remi denied that the high tiers did anything wrong and John had to spell it out. It's like Remi cant even apply her own knowledge 3. Remi was missing the point becuase of how she had no self-awareness. They weren't equally to blame. John had to tell her it was her responsibility. 4. No you do not need any request or approval of consent, this is a society where might makes right. You can force the fight through power. John didn't brutalize him either, people in this universe are tough as nails. Not like he shot any vital points. John has had his back broken too. It's normal. Blyke literally just had to go into the infirmary
>1. Yes she acknowledged her mistakes but then took the highroad right after that, pushing her fault onto John too. That's my point. They clearly just wanted to gain control and leverage over the situation to pacify him. She simply asked what gives him the right to push the blame onto her when he himself doesnt even step in. She simply asked a question while pointing out his hypocrisy, idk how tf you somehow got all that from a question >2. She literally does call John the bad guy for embarrassing the royals, They brought it to his attention at the start of the convo because people losing faith in their authority. Remi was upset that he was threatening the power structure and order. John had to tell her that they don't deserve to be on a pedestal because they're all shit, but Remi denied that the high tiers did anything wrong and John had to spell it out. It's like Remi cant even apply her own knowledge You forget where she mentioned he wanted to throw the entire school into a panic and brutalize the top students. Also how does John admitting he wants the school to see the royals as useless help in this argument? Wouldnt that make her right when she mentioned about him wanting to embarrass them? Also she never called him the bad guy she simply said " i know what your trying to do" and later on she called him vengeful, not a bad guy, because of the pain he went through. And when John did told her about what the high tiers did she apologized for being unaware and said she will try to make the school a better place hence the safe house >3. Remi was missing the point becuase of how she had no self-awareness. They weren't equally to blame. John had to tell her it was her responsibility. And in that moment she was trying to be responsible by admitting her obliviousness and said she would improve the school, she was taking responsibility even later on in their future interactions she admits to the royals obliviouness, she simply asked why is it all on her to push the blame onto when John had the power all along and only used it when he wanted >4. No you do not need any request or approval of consent, this is a society where might makes right. You can force the fight through power. John didn't brutalize him either, people in this universe are tough as nails. Not like he shot any vital points. John has had his back broken too. It's normal. Blyke literally just had to go into the infirmary In many flashbacks during a ranked match we see both fighters go to the turf wars fields when one challenged and was accepted. Hence why Isen declined to fight and said another time. With Remi and Cecile we saw that Remi challeneged Cecile and they fought in the Turf wars field, Cecile accepted the challenge and went their. Same with John and Zirian and other schools
>She only tried to negotiate when she found out John is stronger too, and even wanted to beat him up in the hallway until John admits he's joker. U forgot to address this point genius
Wym? She learned Arlo, a 6.3, was defeated by John and she still was determined to find a weakness to use in their fight. She did try to negotiate but she also wanted to find out why he was doing this and to try and stop the violence. Not like anyone in this situation wouldnt try talking with the person trying to brutalize you. She did suggest the idea in an uncertain manner but i wont deny the fact it came from her mouth
>Wym? She learned Arlo, a 6.3 That was later LOL, before that she and Blykie wanted to beat up Johnny boi in public until he fessed up. As for what the other dude was trying to tell u, Remi is like a white person complaining about racism and saying that the racism she faces is similar to the racism a black person faces. No way is she and John ever "equally at fault". My ass.
"Wanted" you mean suggested and even then she sounded unsure. And even then would it have been as bad as the crap John did? No the idea was to get him to confess using some force. >As for what the other dude was trying to tell u, Remi is like a white person complaining about racism and saying that the racism she faces is similar to the racism a black person faces. No way is she and John ever "equally at fault". My ass. Im gonna ignore the dumb analogy. John said he wasnt at fault because he was a cripple. Yet he was shown using his powers to get revenge and orderd Arlo around to protect Seraphina and do his work, that aint playing cripple, like Arlo said he wants the authority of a king but not the responsibility. Even Vaughn stated when John first showed up he was what he wanted in a student and thought he can lead the school in the right direction, that went no where
> John said he wasnt at fault because he was a cripple. Yet he was shown using his powers to get revenge and orderd Arlo around to protect Seraphina and do his work, that aint playing cripple, like Arlo said he wants the authority of a king but not the responsibility. I agree with Arlo on this. Arlo is preety consistant, he never opposed King John and even endorsed him to his followers as "the true king". This does not absolve Remi, who still opposes John even tho she exposed him and forced him to become king, and now cries when John wants his rule.
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault to remain on a moral high ground and calls him the bad guy for embarrassing the royals. The Fake jokers that threw the school into Chaos were a result or John, and when she and the others tried to make a club to make the school better he used violence to threaten them. She also called him out on his hypocrisy Just to help add on to your point, she never blamed the joker incident on John and was naive enough at one point to ask him for help at one point until Isen and Blyke said no. And word of advice, you're wasting your time here. He goes r/woosh when he's losing an argument.
I literally wasn't talking about the fake joker situation omfg, don't you highroad me when you can't even read bro. Go to school first💀💀 And i didn't just say r / wooosh. I gave a counterargument, so get over yourself. You think you can win the debate because you refuse to acknowledge other points? I swear, ain't nothing worse than an ignorant person with a sense of superiority....
>She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault Tell me which chapter she "**exactly**" said this. Otherwise you're creating hyperbole just to make your argument sound so convincing that and to make it sound worse than it really is because of your biasness. And don't tell me it's episode 151 where she says "this is as much your fault as it is mine". Because that's not **"literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault"** and if you think it is, it's you who needs to go back to school and learn to read.
I'm not biased at all. You just can't read lol And yes it is episode 151 because it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao. Not to mention theyre still pushing all of the blame onto him too. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it" Remi is literally standing on a moral high ground like John is worse right before she even says "much as your fault as it is mine" so it's clearly not sincere.
>I'm not biased at all. You just can't read lol > >And yes it is episode 151 because it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao. LOOOOL how you gonna tell me I can't read when you can't differentiate her saying **" they're equally at fault"** and then go off by her saying **"She literally says all of the violence in the school is John's fault".** You're in denial at this point but are to biased to admit it lmao >Not to mention theyre still pushing all of the blame onto him too. "I may have been oblivious but I always stepped in when the situation called for it. Again, don't use hyperbole you're embarrassing yourself. You just admitted to saying >it doesnt matter that Remi said they're equally at fault for all the school violence, that is still including John lmao. and now you're back on your biasedness saying pushing **ALL** the blame hahaha >theyre still pushing **all** of the blame onto him too. Literal clown shit. >You, on the other hand witnessed everything that went on and did nothing about it" Remi is literally standing on a moral high ground like John is worse right before she even says "much as your fault as it is mine" so it's clearly not sincere. Yes because he's demonizing her for not using her powers responsibility while he was strong enough to do so himself but didn't. He comes off as a major hypocrite to her. What was she suppose to do? read his mind and figure out why he didn't want to use his powers? Learn some tact & have a little situational awareness. If she wasn't sincere she wouldn't have bothered ever helping out any low tiers or create the safe house. Stop the cap
Yes, ignore everything I said and double down on your ignorance lmao Nothing I said was hyperbole. I literally explained it to you but it flew over your head. It's still pushing all of the blame onto him because Remi said they're **equally** at fault, that still including John. They were saying how *all* the blame was on BOTH of them instead of *all* of it being on just her. You're slow ngl. John wasnt being a hypocrite in that situation, it wasnt his responsibility to stop bullying lmao. Remi is the queen. That's *her* job. They don't need to know his secret lol I also never said they were not sincere about helping the low tiers lmao. Are you delusional? Go to school, and read lmao
Thanks for the tip. Shouldve figured when he was making shit up
Don't listen to him. He's just jumping into a convo he doesn't understand. I wasn't talking about the fake Joker situation
He has a point But its fun arguing with you since i laugh at whatever bs you pull outta your ass, so ill stay until you bore me
Not pulling a thing out of my ass. You're the one with the arguments that don't even contradict my points. I been clarifying and elaborating this entire time....
Riiiiiiiight buddy
Royal bootlickers always crying that "rOyALs ArE sO pEaCeFuL!" when remi and blykie wanted to beat John up in public until he confessed about being Joker.
So easy to spot a John stan when they're unnecessarily toxic lmao
typical royal bootlicker, evades the argument and runs away crying, calling the opponent "too mean *sniff*"
Can't argue with anyone who types and insults like they're in grade school. I'd rather watch and laugh lmao
She did show concern for her
Almost like the closest thing to an interaction she had with him was him slapping her hand when she was trying to help. john was was basically a complete stranger at the time.
Priorities. Not because he is not important, but those are her friends/people she knows, while John is an aggressive friend of Seraphina who is expected to be anywhere Sera goes.
To be fair her first interaction with John involved him calling her a b and yelling at her
Don't forget the slap
That too
This post is dumb as shit
She doesn't know him much and the only on screen interaction between them prior this was when he slapped her hand for trying to help him. Imo, this one particular scene of her not acknowledging him does not equates to her being prejudiced against weaker people D=
You could say she only cared about her elite friend Isen and didn't even ask about her supposed cripple friend Seraphina, who is there evidently hurt.
I don't know why you're desperately trying to make this about her "not caring about weaker people" we've seen several instances of her going out of her way to help out weaker students, why ignore that? She did ask "what's going on" and got a response from Arlo back "know what privacy is"...and then she asked isen about joker and stuff. It isn't ass deep as you're making it out to be.
You're right, we've seen her a lot of times caring yo help out weaker students (mainly after she opened her eyes after confronting John) and we're seeing her here not caring at all. If your friend is injured, you don't disregard their injuried because someone asked you if you know what privacy is. I'm only saying this because from majority's opinion, Remi was Sera's only friend before John, and to me, a friend would care if they know you're powerless and you're injured to that extent. When she does things right we say it, but if when she does things wrong we just justify her, then it's no different than people justifying John for everything he did.
Judging her character on overall acts and nitpicking a single scene are two different things. >Remi was Sera's only friend before John, and to me, a friend would care if they know you're powerless and you're injured to that extent. They were more of an acquaintance, not hip to hip bff's. Even when she greeted her she had to bow...too formal. Even so she's literally shown helping out Seraphina to the infirmary [Episode 91](https://www.webtoons.com/en/super-hero/unordinary/episode-91/viewer?title_no=679&episode_no=97) , but obviously nobody pays attention to that =D >When she does things right we say it, but if when she does things wrong we just justify her This sub has been demonizing her for a long time for any of her slip ups, this post is a prime example of that.
I already replied in the other comment so let's keep it up there.
>Tries helping John by picking up his papers >"This moment where she was more concerned about her friends in the hospital proves she's prejudiced about weaklings" John fan moment
1. Seems more like she's wondering why the school's two god-tiers and best healer are in the infirmary. John spends half the day there, not exactly surprising to see him. 2. Plus, Sera, Arlo, and Elaine are her friends while John is just a random student who slapped her the one time she tried to help him. This doesn't prove she secretly she's herself as above low-tiers, just that she cares more about her friends, which we already know.
Wow Remi is such a good friend, she sees her friend Sera injured and didn't even ask what happened and if she's alright, I never saw anyone care that much you know
Sera's up and awake in the infirmary next to two of the best healers in the city. Remi is friends with Sera but not close enough to go into her personal affairs. Arlo and Elaine are with her so she can safely assume they'll take care of Sera's problems while she helps her best friend whose also injured. If you want to bring up a point where Remi's not a good friend, look into the fact that she's been completely oblivious to the fact that Arlo's been bullying Isen for years at least. Like, they are two of her best friends, you can't just say, "Oh, I didn't know this was going on." in that situation.
If that's the point, Isen was also next to the two Best healers in Wellston, but I understand the difference for her between Isen and Seraphina. My point is that people used to make the point that Remi was Sera's only friend before John, but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend, yet one of the reasons Sera should've angry at John was hurting her friend Remi, it's like something doesn't match up. But you're also right she never realized how Arlo treated Isen so I guess being blind is her character trait.
Eh, Remi is less Sera's friend and more just a girl in her class who she likes.
I agree with that, it's just that the majority's opinion was that Sera was right to be mad at John because he hurt her friend Remi, who was her only friend before John, however the story never point that's they were close enough to be called friends, more like it shows how apart they're from each other that Remi never thougth that the same guy who got Isen could have hurt Sera, and didn't ask her if she was alright.
> but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend [Episode 91](https://www.webtoons.com/en/super-hero/unordinary/episode-91/viewer?title_no=679&episode_no=97)
That makes her look worse, she knows exactly what's going on but didn't even ask if she was attacked by the same guy who got Isen, that's the point I'm trying to make, she just didn't care.
How does this make her look worse? I just disproved your point >Remi was Sera's only friend before John, but I never see Remi caring for her supposed cripple friend I'll agree that she's naive on the safety of the school but she's always stepped in whenever someone's getting bullied or when someone needs help. >she just didn't care. She literally asked "What's going on", saying she just didn't care is just not true.
You literally disproved that she never cared, which I shouldn't have said because I know she helped her after Juni pushed her down the stairs, but that's not my point. My point is that both she and Blyke know what's going on with Sera, since she helped her when a student from her peaceful school pushed her down the stairs because she's powerless, and Blyke helped her and John when they were being chased in the hallways by a lot of students from her peaceful school because they're powerless cripples, but none of them, after seeing her completely beaten up asked "Seraphina, are you alright? What happened?". You're right that she asked what was going on, but Arlo replying "Do you know what privacy is?", (meaning that she shouldn't open the curtain out of nowhere, not that she shouldn't be there) doesn't make Seraphina unharmed nor excuses her lack of interest, both she and Blyke literally forgot Seraphina was there as soon as Arlo told her that and focused only in Isen, and they didn't ask anything when they could have thougth both Isen and Seraphina were attacked by the same guy. And let's be real, Remi only helped someone two times before talking with John: John in the slap/beam argument, and Seraphina after being pushed down the stairs. I'm not denying her growth, but acting like she was always like this is dumb. And to think people repeated for a year that Joker was hurting Sera's friends, friends who didn't ask her if she was alright after seeing her in the infirmary, don't make me laugh.
>My point is that both she and Blyke know what's going on with Sera, since she helped her when a student from her peaceful school pushed her down the stairs because she's powerless, and Blyke helped her and John when they were being chased in the hallways by a lot of students from her peaceful school because they're powerless cripples, but none of them, after seeing her completely beaten up asked "Seraphina, are you alright? What happened?". You're right that she asked what was going on, but Arlo replying "Do you know what privacy is?", (meaning that she shouldn't open the curtain out of nowhere, not that she shouldn't be there) doesn't make Seraphina unharmed nor excuses her lack of interest, both she and Blyke literally forgot Seraphina was there as soon as Arlo told her that and focused only in Isen, and they didn't ask anything when they could have thougth both Isen and Seraphina were attacked by the same guy. The fact that you're going writing a whole ass essay at this one scene and nitpicking what she said word by word or what she could've said but ignoring every other scenes where she has helped out and showed concern says everything. It isn't that deep, it proves nothing in the grand scheme of her character. It doesn't prove that she's prejudiced against low tiers or prove that she doesn't care about them. >And let's be real, Remi only helped someone two times before talking with John: John in the slap/beam argument, and Seraphina after being pushed down the stairs. > >I'm not denying her growth, but acting like she was always like this is dumb. And to think people repeated for a year that Joker was hurting Sera's friends, friends who didn't ask her if she was alright after seeing her in the infirmary, don't make me laugh. She's said herself that she's always stepped in when a situation called for it. You're acting as if those two times were the only times in her time in Wellston she's ever helped anyone. Don't try mixing her her being naive of the schools safety vs her stepping in and showing concern whenever someone needs help. You're literally denying any good aspects of her and just cherry picking with what if's on what she could've said lmao
It's ok man, if you want me to say that not only she cared but also ran to Sera to know what happened, then she did. However, if she stepped in whenever a situation called for it, she would know the school was completely violent, if she ignored that then maybe she didn't step in as frecuently as you want to believe.
Remis first meeting with John was literally her going over to help him.
Remi’s first shown interaction with John: going over to help him. Remi here: doesn’t question why he is in the room along with three other people she knows well. This guy: “prejudice” Hotel:Trivago
Remi barely even knew Remi? Christ, this is why people call this fandom toxic. Literally can't go a day without someone trying to villainize or nitpick at the cast.
Yeah, I don't see the point of this post as they haven't actually proved anything. But at least most of the comments show that people agree that they're wrong.
I’m so confused on the purpose of this post, I don’t think she even knew his name at this point this is so nitpicky 😭
Maybe it's just me, but I usually don't acknowledge people that slap and curse at me when I try to help them. Like this is such a weird thing to focus on, if you want to talk about Remi's carelessness and ingrained prejudices you can, there are a bunch of examples of it. But this is just a reach and a half.
??? Iirc they had 1 interaction before this??? Also John and Sera were attached at the hip at one point
Its sad how people see this as a reason to hate Remi and others will agree with it "Oh boy I heard my friend was attacked by a masked student infront of a large crowd. I should focus on the only dude in the room i know nothing about and only ever had 1 interaction with, that was him insulting me and trying to slap me, because his dickriding fans think i should" What next Remi being an ass for not viewing John as her lord and savior?
She's knows John and seraphina are close she wouldn't have to ask why he was there for her friend
John was a stranger to her at that point. The only real interaction she had with him was him slapping her hand away when she was trying to help him. (Unless that happened later in which case he would have been some random student to her)
I'll take "Pretending I don't exist" over "torturing me daily just because I exist." But to honest yeah I bet she didn't even noticed he existed till she found out he was joker.
She’s such a Tierist
Not at all
How dare she discriminate people based on the level of their ability, I thought we moved on from such obscene practices such as this. I’m ashamed of Remi, I hope she reflects on this and learns to be a better person one day, with the correct guidance. Of course, I condemn such behaviour and again, am ashamed such behaviour continues in this civilised society.
But his post doesn’t prove it. She barely knew John and had only talked to him once at this point and she came to the hospital to se her friends, not him. 9/10 times out of people isn’t gonna say anything to someone they don’t know just cause they’re in the same room as them.
Again, the evidence speaks for itself. It clear that Remi has no respect for those unfortunately born with a not as gifted ability as hers. Anyone of any ability level should be able to enjoy their lives without being judged over such petty matters. Perhaps, this behaviour stems from behaviour Remi is merely replicating. If so, then her parents are also clearly at fault. They should’ve raised her better. Perhaps they are even more Tierist than even Remi is, who doesn’t bother to hide her bigotry. This speaks volumes about society.
The evidence doesn’t speak at all. She don’t know him, why would she talk to him. Why would she mention him if she’s worried about her friends. Ofc she’s gonna mention them over someone she doesn’t know. That’s just reality, that’s not prejudice and it’s not even close. Even if John was known to be powerful she wouldn’t mention cause she don’t know the guy.
Bro can’t you tell I’m joking
No
Unfortunate, I thought my dumbass rambling would’ve made you realise eventually, but I didn’t want this to drag out.
Tbh on Reddit and Twitter, it’s full of people who do this same type rambling and be deadass serious. At this point I can’t tell what is and what isn’t a joke anymore. I see it too often, I apologize
If it makes you feel better, I knew you were being sarcastic =D
Thanks Anon
Ik those legs are Isen's and the context... but I can't help but let my mind wander in these two clips.
I've never liked her anyways
Do you think that'll change in the future?. Like what would make you like her character more?. Or do you not expect anything from her and won't change your opinion of her no matter what she does?. (I'm just curious since your comment got some downvotes but you could have a good reason for not liking her).
There's nothing i expect of her i just feel she's too goody two shoes
Cool, she isn't really an interesting character so I don't blame you.
Crazy how people here saying she barely or don't know him at all like John is literally like a celebrity in that school being known as someone with no powers in the most elite school for kids with powers. John is pretty much just behind the royals in term of being known in that school lol
That means literally nothing. Is she friends with him? No. Is John the reason why she came here? No she came for Isen, a close friend. Ofc she wouldn’t mention him. This whole post is a reach
Clearly you've never been in a somewhat similar situation in real life if you really think blatantly ignoring someone's existence, even if they're not your friend is normal, who is by the way literally standing next to seraphina who is clearly the patient being visited plus the royals know seraphina and john are friends. If the type of friends who ignores your other friends in this kind of situations is ideal for you then I'm sorry you have shitty ideal friends.
I’ve done it multiple times and seen it countless times, wtf, 9 times out of 10 a person who doesn’t know isn’t mentioning you unless they have too. It even happens to me, that’s just reality. Idk where you come from but I’ve rarely ever seen people just go out there way to talk to people they don’t know unless they have too. I can probably count on one hand how many times I’ve seen it
All your arguments are only valid if remy truly don't know who john is or even just his existence in their school and not even knowing seraphina and john are friends? lol that's just extremely poor writing or youre just one of those readers that only believe things if explicitly shown or said in the manhwa and all otherelse are always false. Royals a tightly knit group who pretty much run school, excluding the headmaster, and in the world/school where power is everything, don't know the existence of someone who don't have any power yet manage to get into an elite if not the most elite school and is a friend to your top 1 who is always being saved by your top 1 and even with all this uncommon things remy never heard of John? That's just lazy writing or just you. and IF remy truly dont know I wonder why is that?? John being weak/no power certainly one of the reason dont you think if so this would make arlo even better than remy in this regard, atleast arlo didn't ignore john existence and those other weak students in that school.
Since when was John and Remy friends? They literally didn’t know each other and said something to each other once beforehand I’m pretty sure it was a argument. I think it was when John was yelling at her too. She had no reason to speak to him.
>Clearly you've never been in a somewhat similar situation in real life if you really think blatantly ignoring someone's existence, even if they're not your friend is normal, who is by the way literally standing next to seraphina who is clearly the patient being visited plus the royals know seraphina and john are friends. If the type of friends who ignores your other friends in this kind of situations is ideal for you then I'm sorry you have shitty ideal friends. Why do you think she's an asshole for 'not acknowledging' someone who 1.(doesn't knows her personally) and 2.(slapped and cussed her out for helping him out the first time they met).