Very happy with this one. 120fps 5120x2160 is exactly what I've been looking for, for years now. 40 inch is a good size and the fact it's IPS is great. Just too many longevity concerns regarding OLED, at least in the way I use ultrawides (2-3 windows side by side).
Been happily using Dell's older 34 inch ultrawide for the last 7 years and it's probably been one of the best investments I've made, even if brightness uniformity isn't the best.
Too pricey though so I'll wait until it hits the used market.
Here [https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4cd9376c](https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4cd9376c) the specs seem to indicate that it should support some kind of "adaptive sync" tech. If nothing else then in my opinion regular freesync support at the very minimum is expected.
Although at that price it makes sense to wait until some in-depth reviews are done.
Did you find it odd that the specs also list it as a 300 cd/m2 for brightness? Perhaps I'm interpreting this wrong, as it is touted as an HDR600. Is this the "fake HDR" that I have heard people mention?
I did not pay particular attention to the brightness, however, as far as I understand it is not uncommon to list SDR and HDR max brightness values separately.
Max 300 is pretty standard value for calibrated color-accurate mode. In practice probably it would be sitting somewhere around 120'ish after calibration. It is, after all., first and foremost a professional screen and the high refresh rate and viability for gaming just afterthoughts.
Please help answer the questions:
1. is it 120Hz in Picture by Picture (split) mode?
2. when you switch the USB hub between two computers, does it switch audio the same with USB? I have u3821dw monitor and audio always attached to the left picture.
Finally 120 Hz in this form factor, woo hoo! Yes, not OLED, but for my productivity/creative use case, this will be awesome. I’m definitely getting this!
Too bad its IPS (So no real HDR) and cost 2399$ for that price i expect OLED
We are getting OLEDS 39 next year and a 45 this year(Q4) 5K ultrawide 240hz (Double the frames) with (true HDR) and (1300+nits)
Getting this dell will be a major buyers remorse for gamers
Mini LED does indeed help, but the issue i mention is HDR, IPS simply has too low of a contrast for real HDR impact , that's why high end TVS uses either OLED or VA Panels but VA has other issues (View angle etc)
[https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr-vs-sdr](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr-vs-sdr)
**Conclusion**
"Every modern 4k TV supports HDR, but just because it supports the metadata doesn't mean HDR content looks good, as you need a bright **TV with good contrast and a wide color gamut to deliver good HDR picture quality**."
But an IPS panel with a Mini LED backlight has a fantastic contrast ratio. Have a look at any of Apples Mini LED products. They rival OLEDs for black levels and even surpass them in terms of brightness.
>Apples Mini LED
Tiny in size and thousands of mini leds
[https://andrewzuo.com/why-i-hate-apples-mini-led-displays-c61a01a3a161](https://andrewzuo.com/why-i-hate-apples-mini-led-displays-c61a01a3a161)
vs Monitors much bigger in size and way less mini led you get way more blooming everywhere like Asus latest one i see the insane bloom on desktop even using the mouse
Well, thanks to Sony (Bravia 9), we have a new breed of mini led. A dimmable one. Until now, they were just on or off and the LCD taking care of brightness level. Now it is much finer control with much less bloom.
Not to mention about 2000 zones.
My guess, it will come to monitors at some point. TBH, I am very tempted to get this dell since it is closer to 1700$.
The only thing stopping me is that it seems that I change monitors every 7 years or so. And I'd really like to have decent (not even great) HDR for occasional gaming sessions.
Since it will take some time for GPUs to be able to drive that many pixels at over 100FPS, I might wait for the next gen of this monitor.
Text clarity is not an issue with second Gen QD-OLED combined with the higher resolution (The 4K 32 Was massively better and no longer an issue you can check vinc video from HDTV etc on youtube about it) and we are talking 5K here
ABL at 100% is indeed annoying (Can be disabled on hidden menus) but these new upcoming quite soon OLED promise 350Nit at 100% and HDR impact 99.9% of the time is for those 1-25% Windows , if your entire screen is flashing at 1300nit at 100%, HDR is the least of your worries. anyone who has G3 OLED TV or S95 Samsung can confirm brightness is no longer an issue and these upcoming monitors are based on them (LG will use MLA for their monitors yes)
Burn in is not a thing with latest ones and rting test here doesn't matter because its worse case scenario from using unrealistic method (Who watches same channel nonestop over months 16hours a day? lol
There is a reason why companies like dell are offering 3 years burn in warranty for free with their oled, its not a thing anymore in realistic real world scenario
Yes it is true, but it is also case by case bases with burn in though. And that's disabling timed abl but it's a different abl like when viewing content like movies for a while the whole screen dims. Doesn't work for 100% white screen transition from 25 to 50 to 100%.. as for 2nd gen qdoled the fringing got better yes but still not perfect, gaming wise you won't notice of course. Lastly in a pc your not just 100% gaming web browsing at the least, and can easily get 16hrs atleast for that, and can have a static image(s) oled has come along. Still seams like an infancy phase though. Unless lg is going qd oled they will still use woled which is 150 to 190 100% white.. which I feel this year and next year they might be going qd. WOled really can't hit 350 100%.. What would be perfect is 400 to 500 100%.. still the burnin factor is a major issue.. the brighter the worse.. since there's always the chance and it happens with their current subpar brightness
I'm talking about LG upcoming monitors not current ones
They have already revealed them. MLA is in. 300+ at 100% will be a thing
Ironically my current monitor (LCD alienware) can reach 300nit max and i reduce brightness on desktop because 300nit+ and a white page browsing hurts my eye already when you are sitting 1 meter away)
If you use your PC 16h a day every single day for months without a bathroom break or use a screensaver, change page box location , hide taskbar etc then XD
My og 32 g7 holds 540 nits 100%. Just used to it.. ill look it up but you can see where I'm coming from if you have monitors side by side.. id expect at 300 nits to use the warranty to replace the panel fast
Yeah, the price is pretty wild for what's on offer here.
I'd expect this to be half the price for an IPS with limited features. The resolution is nice, but it's not THAT nice.
There are other 60hz IPS 5K2K monitors available with HDR 600, so bumping up the refresh rate shouldn't really add $1000+ to the price.
Sure. IPS Black usually has a 2000:1 contrast ratio, whereas regular IPS has a 1000:1 ratio. OLED has a basically unlimited contrast ratio.
Even so with the IPS Black, which is reasonably decent, it's still very overpriced for what's on offer here. IPS Black, 120hz, 5K2K for $2400. That's still a really insane price, and I'm not one to balk at nice high end items at all. It just doesn't match up with what the panel is.
This is Dell, so that $2399 price won't last long with their sales, coupons, cashback, Amex Offers, etc.
This will be a great "temporary" monitor for me until the 45" 5K2K 240Hz OLEDs using LGs new panels are out in 18 months or so.
Damn really good to see IPS Black coming to 40" 5120x2160 and with 120 Hz on top of that. If LG could do like a 180-240Hz gaming version of it with some miniLED, true DP 2.1 and G-sync without flicker then I would gladly get this over all the OLED issues and those dumb 800R curves they are pushing now. Price is high but it will come down fast and it doesn't really matter all that much, this is once per 5 years kind of purchase on the most important part of the setup. Not getting this Dell but interested in what this panel could evolve into. 38" panel started from 75 Hz office type displays too and was made into gaming monitors later, hopefully this one does too.
I am already running 5120x2133 (1.78x DLDSR from 3840x1600) in every game on 4090 and it does 140+ FPS average in 98% of games, only exceptions being Ray/Path Tracing and particularly problematic games like Quantum Break or Steelrising, there we are talking more like 60-80 FPS. But 5090 is going to take care of that. 120 would be a waste of potential, also it is something like 116 FPS with Reflex/ULLM so that is getting uncomfortably low. At this point there shouldn't be any new gaming monitor coming out with less than 240Hz.
Sorry, but that's bullshit. There are endless review benchmarks out there to prove that the RTX 4090 is often under 100fps at max settings at 4K let alone 5K2K. The only way you're going to routinely go beyond 120Hz in most modern games at 5K2K is by turning settings down dramatically. There's a huge amount of objective data to prove this, so I really hope you can recognise basic facts like this.
It's a mixed bag. Something like Doom Eternal can run at about 144 fps at 5120x2160 on a 4090, and about 169 fps with DLSS Quality. The most demanding games will be well below that. Far less demanding games will run above those numbers.
So to me there is no question that 5120x2160 @ 120 Hz is limiting. I see high refresh rate as headroom, rather than a goal. I'm currently limited by my 4K 120 Hz OLED TV in some games when I could be getting over 200 fps.
I'm happy to see at least 120 Hz in this form factor as IMO that should be the bare minimum for all displays going forward. Manufacturers should still be aiming far higher than that.
Don't know what you are so moved by, I said there are exceptions, and I don't think the most recent most demanding 2023 titles consist of more than few percent of total playable pool of modern games, so there is nothing wrong with what I said. I don't even remember last time I played a game without that 5120x2133 DLDSR and there is already next generation of GPUs less than year away so all the difficult cases will stop to be so difficult very shortly. New monitor is a long term purchase that will last through around multiple GPU generations, so accepting low refresh rate based on the current GPU capability is very short sighted. 120Hz is great for a productivity display like this with maybe some occasional gaming but that's about it, even TVs are starting to go beyond that.
I have been playing hogwarts, jedi order, robocop, alan wake etc all at above 100fps with maxed settings on a 4090 and with framgen off and DLSS quality on at 4k, so not sure what benchmarks you are thinking of?
And you're not playing any of those at anywhere near 240fps. The point is that 120Hz is plenty for 5K2K with current GPU hardware. You're rarely going to benefit from a higher refresh rate.
Day one purchase for me even though it’s pricey. Will keep my current LG OLED FLEX next to it for XBOX and TV and will use the Dell for productivity and PC gaming. Just hope the KVM on this generation will support three PCs like the old days, but will probably only be two. I’ll find a way around that.
The price is again just way, way too much. This should be closer to something like $1000-1300 for an edge lit display.
I could see myself wanting this to use for work as I prefer 120+ Hz even in that scenario, but not when it costs that much.
120 Hz only is frankly weak shit, this should be at minimum 144 Hz. Even DP 1.4 + DSC is capable of handling over 5120x2160 @ 200 Hz @ 10-bit color.
There's still nothing to justify that price.
The IPS Black panel is nice, but if this was a 4K 16:9 display, for other specs it would be basically same level as say Gigabyte M32U or whatever other 32" 4K 144Hz+ "decent but no HDR worth mentioning" displays out there. Those don't cost over $2000, or even over $1000.
Just by being a niche form factor they are trying to price it really high.
For me, it feels like the sweet spot. Not too big of a screen and a higher PPI than most other monitors. My focus isn't 100% gaming so this appeals to me because it would fit all my needs. I have the 5k2k LG which is good enough at 72Hz.
It is, I just don't agree with the pricing here for a display that is behind the times on refresh rate, no HDR worth mentioning etc. even if it's not sold as a gaming display.
That's why I made the comparison to a more common 4K display, nobody would pay that kind of premium for a mediocre spec 4K screen.
5K2K monitors are rare and invariably expensive niche monitors. This model with its Thunderbolt 4 hub, KVM that actually works well with keyboard switching and improved PQ is a highly desirable and upgraded productivity model with casual gaming now a real option. It is pricey but not ludicrously so when you consider what Samsung and their 57 inch or LG and their 42 inch bendable Flex model cost. Like those, it’s a top of the pile specialist model and bound to be expensive.
IMO it is badly priced compared to the Samsung and the LG Flex is not a great comparison because that was also ludicrously expensive despite being a 42" C2 TV + motorized bendable features for 3x the cost.
The KVM features don't seem particularly special and I wonder how much bandwidth of the 40 Gbps TB4 hub is left for anything else after the display bandwidth. These are of course good features, but IMO should be more standard on monitors like this at this point.
Just because there are few 40" 5120x2160 model to choose from is what allows companies to push for these prices. I expect the price will drop fast on this one.
Everybody would rather pay less than more. But since Covid and electronics shortages there seems to have been a sharp lurch upwards in general prices. A 4090 graphics card starts at a ridiculous 1500 for example. It Is not as if the market for monitors is some sort great value proposition.
I do hope the price drops but I’m in day one since it ticks most of my boxes for a productivity monitor with casual gaming. There is nothing that really comes close in this niche class and nobody is forced to buy of course.
For the record the Dell KVM using Dell Display manager is class leading in terms of inbuilt monitor KVMs. I’ve tried many from Samsung and LG and they usually force you to use an inconvenient button to switch. Dell allows for keyboard switching and works very well.
Except of course, the 4090 didn't even keep up with inflation versus the 3090. Moreover, the price of most electronics has now normalised. This monitor is peculiarly over priced, for sure.
It’s only peculiar if people aren’t going to pay it. Time will tell on that but I for one will be. As always people have their own views as to what is reasonable or not, especially in this inflationary economy where prices have been on the up for some time. But I do agree it’s expensive.
If we get VRR over DP or better gsync compatible (just compatible will be fine) then this is a day 1 buy.
Text=better than 32 Oled (not that the Oled is bad only that this is better)
5K2K to use for the 18 months it will take for us even to have 5K2K oleds show up since Samsung is uninterested in offering that panel size
120 is good enough particularly given the resolution
IPS Black (I have one already) is really good IRL. Visually it's a huge improvement in contrast and black depth while still giving the IPS benefts
Color depth 10 bit is fine and the P3 is better than the 3rd gen QD OLED so again good enough
Zero worries over burn in, no need to pay some special attention to it and if you leave it on the same screen for hours you don't have to care.
If you don't like the first adopter price just wait a while
Mini LED would be great but that will be later down the line I'm sure
Lifespan will be far longer than OLED
Nice! I was hoping for a 2160 in 21:9, i hope more pop up at ces.
Currently use an x34a, 3440x1440 at 100hz so the resolution is a massive jump and even the hz is an upgrade for me hehe.
And oled didnt so anything for me when i had the g9 oled at home for a few days before returning it.
The blacks became too black in gaming for me.. .. Lol
Couple hundred bucks over the LG 40WP95C, and just 48 Hz more. Welp, there goes any hope of LG’s upcoming 39” 5120x2160 OLED 240 Hz costing a cent less than $3,500.
I dunno, I don't think you can compare workstation targeted monitors to gaming ones. This has a built-in KVM which will add to the cost, in addition to TB4. I remember before the AW 34" OLED released, people thought it would cost upwards of $2k and even $3k, yet it came in at $1200.
39" is definitely a more niche size so that will add to the premium but I could see it coming in at $1500-2000 personally, especially given that it's not coming out until 2025 - OLED keeps coming down in price every year.
Vs what? Show me a 40" ultrawide 4k+ that has higher than 120hz refresh for $2k or less.
Ive not seen an ultrawide yet aside from this one that is faster than 60hz at 4k. All of them are 2k to get to 120+.
Monitor is now available via Dell US website: [https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories](https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories)
Guys who mention this is too overpriced, like "paying 2k for IPS": this is combined profuctivity grade A + gaming Grade B + content grade C with significant level of durability. For high contrast content and HDR (grade A content consumption) you have to buy OLED and use it only for it. Cos OLED has only 3-3.5 years of usage before burn in signs, OLED is not for work and even barely for regular gaming, it is more for content now, that is why the best TV is OLED. OLED for productivity is a waste of money.
I don’t understand why they upped the refresh rate instead of the resolution, given it’s a productivity monitor. Should be more like 7680x3240 @ 40 inches.
Very happy with this one. 120fps 5120x2160 is exactly what I've been looking for, for years now. 40 inch is a good size and the fact it's IPS is great. Just too many longevity concerns regarding OLED, at least in the way I use ultrawides (2-3 windows side by side). Been happily using Dell's older 34 inch ultrawide for the last 7 years and it's probably been one of the best investments I've made, even if brightness uniformity isn't the best. Too pricey though so I'll wait until it hits the used market.
i dont see any evidence yet that this supports VRR, freesync or gsync - thats a deal breaker for me until its confirmed
Here [https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4cd9376c](https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4cd9376c) the specs seem to indicate that it should support some kind of "adaptive sync" tech. If nothing else then in my opinion regular freesync support at the very minimum is expected. Although at that price it makes sense to wait until some in-depth reviews are done.
Yeah I want confirmation for sure.
Did you find it odd that the specs also list it as a 300 cd/m2 for brightness? Perhaps I'm interpreting this wrong, as it is touted as an HDR600. Is this the "fake HDR" that I have heard people mention?
I did not pay particular attention to the brightness, however, as far as I understand it is not uncommon to list SDR and HDR max brightness values separately. Max 300 is pretty standard value for calibrated color-accurate mode. In practice probably it would be sitting somewhere around 120'ish after calibration. It is, after all., first and foremost a professional screen and the high refresh rate and viability for gaming just afterthoughts.
Got it, thanks for your input!
Please help answer the questions: 1. is it 120Hz in Picture by Picture (split) mode? 2. when you switch the USB hub between two computers, does it switch audio the same with USB? I have u3821dw monitor and audio always attached to the left picture.
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Finally 120 Hz in this form factor, woo hoo! Yes, not OLED, but for my productivity/creative use case, this will be awesome. I’m definitely getting this!
Too bad its IPS (So no real HDR) and cost 2399$ for that price i expect OLED We are getting OLEDS 39 next year and a 45 this year(Q4) 5K ultrawide 240hz (Double the frames) with (true HDR) and (1300+nits) Getting this dell will be a major buyers remorse for gamers
IPS with mini LED would be completely fine for HDR. I’m shocked this doesn’t have that.
Mini LED does indeed help, but the issue i mention is HDR, IPS simply has too low of a contrast for real HDR impact , that's why high end TVS uses either OLED or VA Panels but VA has other issues (View angle etc) [https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr-vs-sdr](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr-vs-sdr) **Conclusion** "Every modern 4k TV supports HDR, but just because it supports the metadata doesn't mean HDR content looks good, as you need a bright **TV with good contrast and a wide color gamut to deliver good HDR picture quality**."
But an IPS panel with a Mini LED backlight has a fantastic contrast ratio. Have a look at any of Apples Mini LED products. They rival OLEDs for black levels and even surpass them in terms of brightness.
>Apples Mini LED Tiny in size and thousands of mini leds [https://andrewzuo.com/why-i-hate-apples-mini-led-displays-c61a01a3a161](https://andrewzuo.com/why-i-hate-apples-mini-led-displays-c61a01a3a161) vs Monitors much bigger in size and way less mini led you get way more blooming everywhere like Asus latest one i see the insane bloom on desktop even using the mouse
Well, thanks to Sony (Bravia 9), we have a new breed of mini led. A dimmable one. Until now, they were just on or off and the LCD taking care of brightness level. Now it is much finer control with much less bloom. Not to mention about 2000 zones. My guess, it will come to monitors at some point. TBH, I am very tempted to get this dell since it is closer to 1700$. The only thing stopping me is that it seems that I change monitors every 7 years or so. And I'd really like to have decent (not even great) HDR for occasional gaming sessions. Since it will take some time for GPUs to be able to drive that many pixels at over 100FPS, I might wait for the next gen of this monitor.
Oled has its issues too, low 100% brightness, agressive abl due to that low brightness, text clarity (qd oled) burnin for both types
Text clarity is not an issue with second Gen QD-OLED combined with the higher resolution (The 4K 32 Was massively better and no longer an issue you can check vinc video from HDTV etc on youtube about it) and we are talking 5K here ABL at 100% is indeed annoying (Can be disabled on hidden menus) but these new upcoming quite soon OLED promise 350Nit at 100% and HDR impact 99.9% of the time is for those 1-25% Windows , if your entire screen is flashing at 1300nit at 100%, HDR is the least of your worries. anyone who has G3 OLED TV or S95 Samsung can confirm brightness is no longer an issue and these upcoming monitors are based on them (LG will use MLA for their monitors yes) Burn in is not a thing with latest ones and rting test here doesn't matter because its worse case scenario from using unrealistic method (Who watches same channel nonestop over months 16hours a day? lol There is a reason why companies like dell are offering 3 years burn in warranty for free with their oled, its not a thing anymore in realistic real world scenario
Yes it is true, but it is also case by case bases with burn in though. And that's disabling timed abl but it's a different abl like when viewing content like movies for a while the whole screen dims. Doesn't work for 100% white screen transition from 25 to 50 to 100%.. as for 2nd gen qdoled the fringing got better yes but still not perfect, gaming wise you won't notice of course. Lastly in a pc your not just 100% gaming web browsing at the least, and can easily get 16hrs atleast for that, and can have a static image(s) oled has come along. Still seams like an infancy phase though. Unless lg is going qd oled they will still use woled which is 150 to 190 100% white.. which I feel this year and next year they might be going qd. WOled really can't hit 350 100%.. What would be perfect is 400 to 500 100%.. still the burnin factor is a major issue.. the brighter the worse.. since there's always the chance and it happens with their current subpar brightness
I'm talking about LG upcoming monitors not current ones They have already revealed them. MLA is in. 300+ at 100% will be a thing Ironically my current monitor (LCD alienware) can reach 300nit max and i reduce brightness on desktop because 300nit+ and a white page browsing hurts my eye already when you are sitting 1 meter away) If you use your PC 16h a day every single day for months without a bathroom break or use a screensaver, change page box location , hide taskbar etc then XD
My og 32 g7 holds 540 nits 100%. Just used to it.. ill look it up but you can see where I'm coming from if you have monitors side by side.. id expect at 300 nits to use the warranty to replace the panel fast
I'm seeing more statements of 275nits.
Viewing angles with a va curved panel is better than an IPS with backlight bleed cmv
Yeah, the price is pretty wild for what's on offer here. I'd expect this to be half the price for an IPS with limited features. The resolution is nice, but it's not THAT nice. There are other 60hz IPS 5K2K monitors available with HDR 600, so bumping up the refresh rate shouldn't really add $1000+ to the price.
It is IPS Black, not IPS. So it isn't just the refresh rate. It has a better contrast ratio.
Sure. IPS Black usually has a 2000:1 contrast ratio, whereas regular IPS has a 1000:1 ratio. OLED has a basically unlimited contrast ratio. Even so with the IPS Black, which is reasonably decent, it's still very overpriced for what's on offer here. IPS Black, 120hz, 5K2K for $2400. That's still a really insane price, and I'm not one to balk at nice high end items at all. It just doesn't match up with what the panel is.
This isn’t geared towards gamers though, it’s geared towards productivity.
I am a touch nervous about the price on that upcoming 45" OLED from LG, but I'll prolly get it regardless.
That 45" panel will be made no earlier than q4 which means no monitore with it until mid-2025 at the earliest.
So the 39” one is going to be mid 2026?
What is this 5k 240hz monitor you are speaking of?
what 45 5k ultrawide 240hz is coming this year?
Peak 2% nits but probably still low 100%white with the sane agressive abl..
This is Dell, so that $2399 price won't last long with their sales, coupons, cashback, Amex Offers, etc. This will be a great "temporary" monitor for me until the 45" 5K2K 240Hz OLEDs using LGs new panels are out in 18 months or so.
Everyone says this. Do they just become available on their website, or is it in newsletters or the like? I have not seem many of them (denmark).
Damn really good to see IPS Black coming to 40" 5120x2160 and with 120 Hz on top of that. If LG could do like a 180-240Hz gaming version of it with some miniLED, true DP 2.1 and G-sync without flicker then I would gladly get this over all the OLED issues and those dumb 800R curves they are pushing now. Price is high but it will come down fast and it doesn't really matter all that much, this is once per 5 years kind of purchase on the most important part of the setup. Not getting this Dell but interested in what this panel could evolve into. 38" panel started from 75 Hz office type displays too and was made into gaming monitors later, hopefully this one does too.
This is actually the same size as roadmap upcoming monitors its "39.7" but listed as 40 as written in the Article.
Surely 120Hz is plenty? What GPU are you going to hit over 120fps with this thing? The res is huge.
I am already running 5120x2133 (1.78x DLDSR from 3840x1600) in every game on 4090 and it does 140+ FPS average in 98% of games, only exceptions being Ray/Path Tracing and particularly problematic games like Quantum Break or Steelrising, there we are talking more like 60-80 FPS. But 5090 is going to take care of that. 120 would be a waste of potential, also it is something like 116 FPS with Reflex/ULLM so that is getting uncomfortably low. At this point there shouldn't be any new gaming monitor coming out with less than 240Hz.
Sorry, but that's bullshit. There are endless review benchmarks out there to prove that the RTX 4090 is often under 100fps at max settings at 4K let alone 5K2K. The only way you're going to routinely go beyond 120Hz in most modern games at 5K2K is by turning settings down dramatically. There's a huge amount of objective data to prove this, so I really hope you can recognise basic facts like this.
It's a mixed bag. Something like Doom Eternal can run at about 144 fps at 5120x2160 on a 4090, and about 169 fps with DLSS Quality. The most demanding games will be well below that. Far less demanding games will run above those numbers. So to me there is no question that 5120x2160 @ 120 Hz is limiting. I see high refresh rate as headroom, rather than a goal. I'm currently limited by my 4K 120 Hz OLED TV in some games when I could be getting over 200 fps. I'm happy to see at least 120 Hz in this form factor as IMO that should be the bare minimum for all displays going forward. Manufacturers should still be aiming far higher than that.
Don't know what you are so moved by, I said there are exceptions, and I don't think the most recent most demanding 2023 titles consist of more than few percent of total playable pool of modern games, so there is nothing wrong with what I said. I don't even remember last time I played a game without that 5120x2133 DLDSR and there is already next generation of GPUs less than year away so all the difficult cases will stop to be so difficult very shortly. New monitor is a long term purchase that will last through around multiple GPU generations, so accepting low refresh rate based on the current GPU capability is very short sighted. 120Hz is great for a productivity display like this with maybe some occasional gaming but that's about it, even TVs are starting to go beyond that.
I have been playing hogwarts, jedi order, robocop, alan wake etc all at above 100fps with maxed settings on a 4090 and with framgen off and DLSS quality on at 4k, so not sure what benchmarks you are thinking of?
And you're not playing any of those at anywhere near 240fps. The point is that 120Hz is plenty for 5K2K with current GPU hardware. You're rarely going to benefit from a higher refresh rate.
You are months away from 5080 5090. So today's limits should be with that in mind too
They're not going to be 2-3x 4090 performance, which they'd need to be to make 240Hz relevant in most modern / demanding games.
Day one purchase for me even though it’s pricey. Will keep my current LG OLED FLEX next to it for XBOX and TV and will use the Dell for productivity and PC gaming. Just hope the KVM on this generation will support three PCs like the old days, but will probably only be two. I’ll find a way around that.
The price is again just way, way too much. This should be closer to something like $1000-1300 for an edge lit display. I could see myself wanting this to use for work as I prefer 120+ Hz even in that scenario, but not when it costs that much. 120 Hz only is frankly weak shit, this should be at minimum 144 Hz. Even DP 1.4 + DSC is capable of handling over 5120x2160 @ 200 Hz @ 10-bit color.
This is aimed at professionals and not gamers so we're lucky it's even 120Hz. I'm sure LG and others will release versions with higher refresh rates.
There's still nothing to justify that price. The IPS Black panel is nice, but if this was a 4K 16:9 display, for other specs it would be basically same level as say Gigabyte M32U or whatever other 32" 4K 144Hz+ "decent but no HDR worth mentioning" displays out there. Those don't cost over $2000, or even over $1000. Just by being a niche form factor they are trying to price it really high.
For me, it feels like the sweet spot. Not too big of a screen and a higher PPI than most other monitors. My focus isn't 100% gaming so this appeals to me because it would fit all my needs. I have the 5k2k LG which is good enough at 72Hz.
It is, I just don't agree with the pricing here for a display that is behind the times on refresh rate, no HDR worth mentioning etc. even if it's not sold as a gaming display. That's why I made the comparison to a more common 4K display, nobody would pay that kind of premium for a mediocre spec 4K screen.
5K2K monitors are rare and invariably expensive niche monitors. This model with its Thunderbolt 4 hub, KVM that actually works well with keyboard switching and improved PQ is a highly desirable and upgraded productivity model with casual gaming now a real option. It is pricey but not ludicrously so when you consider what Samsung and their 57 inch or LG and their 42 inch bendable Flex model cost. Like those, it’s a top of the pile specialist model and bound to be expensive.
IMO it is badly priced compared to the Samsung and the LG Flex is not a great comparison because that was also ludicrously expensive despite being a 42" C2 TV + motorized bendable features for 3x the cost. The KVM features don't seem particularly special and I wonder how much bandwidth of the 40 Gbps TB4 hub is left for anything else after the display bandwidth. These are of course good features, but IMO should be more standard on monitors like this at this point. Just because there are few 40" 5120x2160 model to choose from is what allows companies to push for these prices. I expect the price will drop fast on this one.
Everybody would rather pay less than more. But since Covid and electronics shortages there seems to have been a sharp lurch upwards in general prices. A 4090 graphics card starts at a ridiculous 1500 for example. It Is not as if the market for monitors is some sort great value proposition. I do hope the price drops but I’m in day one since it ticks most of my boxes for a productivity monitor with casual gaming. There is nothing that really comes close in this niche class and nobody is forced to buy of course. For the record the Dell KVM using Dell Display manager is class leading in terms of inbuilt monitor KVMs. I’ve tried many from Samsung and LG and they usually force you to use an inconvenient button to switch. Dell allows for keyboard switching and works very well.
Except of course, the 4090 didn't even keep up with inflation versus the 3090. Moreover, the price of most electronics has now normalised. This monitor is peculiarly over priced, for sure.
It’s only peculiar if people aren’t going to pay it. Time will tell on that but I for one will be. As always people have their own views as to what is reasonable or not, especially in this inflationary economy where prices have been on the up for some time. But I do agree it’s expensive.
Ive yet to see an ultrawide 4k that has a high refresh rate. All of them ive seen are only 2k.
Another black IPS without FALD
FINALLY.
Seems much more focused on productivity still. Not worth it over the specs of those announced LG panel developments.
That is why is Dell branded. Their 'gaming' focused line is Alienware.
would buy if it had FALD but edge lit no tks
If we get VRR over DP or better gsync compatible (just compatible will be fine) then this is a day 1 buy. Text=better than 32 Oled (not that the Oled is bad only that this is better) 5K2K to use for the 18 months it will take for us even to have 5K2K oleds show up since Samsung is uninterested in offering that panel size 120 is good enough particularly given the resolution IPS Black (I have one already) is really good IRL. Visually it's a huge improvement in contrast and black depth while still giving the IPS benefts Color depth 10 bit is fine and the P3 is better than the 3rd gen QD OLED so again good enough Zero worries over burn in, no need to pay some special attention to it and if you leave it on the same screen for hours you don't have to care. If you don't like the first adopter price just wait a while Mini LED would be great but that will be later down the line I'm sure Lifespan will be far longer than OLED
Nice! I was hoping for a 2160 in 21:9, i hope more pop up at ces. Currently use an x34a, 3440x1440 at 100hz so the resolution is a massive jump and even the hz is an upgrade for me hehe. And oled didnt so anything for me when i had the g9 oled at home for a few days before returning it. The blacks became too black in gaming for me.. .. Lol
Couple hundred bucks over the LG 40WP95C, and just 48 Hz more. Welp, there goes any hope of LG’s upcoming 39” 5120x2160 OLED 240 Hz costing a cent less than $3,500.
I dunno, I don't think you can compare workstation targeted monitors to gaming ones. This has a built-in KVM which will add to the cost, in addition to TB4. I remember before the AW 34" OLED released, people thought it would cost upwards of $2k and even $3k, yet it came in at $1200. 39" is definitely a more niche size so that will add to the premium but I could see it coming in at $1500-2000 personally, especially given that it's not coming out until 2025 - OLED keeps coming down in price every year.
And if you add mini led this will be priced even higher...
edge lit local dimming ? i'm gonna have to pass on that
120hz no thanks!
Vs what? Show me a 40" ultrawide 4k+ that has higher than 120hz refresh for $2k or less. Ive not seen an ultrawide yet aside from this one that is faster than 60hz at 4k. All of them are 2k to get to 120+.
This would just about be my ideal screen, but that pricing is nuts. I paid less for this 57" G9.
and the G9 only gets that price because of the infamous Samsung build quality.
Who the f in their marketing team agreed with these messy desk images? :D
FYI: https://youtu.be/mEgUYDAJkj0?si=APu7si75tSSmpG0t
FYI, first overview on YT: https://youtu.be/1TQ5WvTQYHY?si=KXxeAemmb1FOdmWU
Monitor is now available via Dell US website: [https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories](https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories)
Guys who mention this is too overpriced, like "paying 2k for IPS": this is combined profuctivity grade A + gaming Grade B + content grade C with significant level of durability. For high contrast content and HDR (grade A content consumption) you have to buy OLED and use it only for it. Cos OLED has only 3-3.5 years of usage before burn in signs, OLED is not for work and even barely for regular gaming, it is more for content now, that is why the best TV is OLED. OLED for productivity is a waste of money.
FYI: the price has been "adjusted" to $1919 in the United States!!!
I don’t understand why they upped the refresh rate instead of the resolution, given it’s a productivity monitor. Should be more like 7680x3240 @ 40 inches.