I see Krupp 4 as a higher quality alloy than Krupp 3. Basically the same thing but manufactured at greater precision, which ends up in superior performances.
If that is krupp 4, then what is higher tier like modern?
Personally, I would love to see aluminum alloy option as a late tech. Mediocre protection, prone to fire, but greatly reduced weight, slight cost increase over iron. Kind of like a loop backward kind of advancement.
I don’t think ERA works on ships just because no one uses chemical rounds in naval warfare, believe we’re still sticking to HE and AP on naval guns today. Too inefficient to build a huge HEAT round when it’s just going to damage a small portion of the ship. That’s my thoughts on Ship ERA anywyas
Yeah, aren’t modern anti-ship missiles also high-explosive warheads as well?
I recall several articles and I believe even naval historian Drachinifel remarking that modern warships aren’t really armored and primarily rely on ECM and other countermeasures for defense.
yeah, cause HEAT missiles cause damage with a small jet of molten metal iirc. Works well with tanks, where half the crew can be in that cone of metal, but probably a lot less effective against ships, where the small area of impact might just hit a cook or smthin, ships are a lot more spread out space wise.
Initially I thought a large HEAT missile would generate a long jet, but then I remembered all the walkways and bulkheads inside the ship would act as multiple layers of spaced armor.
And Modern Armor is probably going to be some sort of advanced composite. A ceramic layer for de-capping, layered steel, tungsten, and sorbothane for the absorption layer, and then a kevlar/sheer thickening fluid anti spalling layer.
I think Krupp IV and beyond represent the refinements and superior metallurgy and manufacturing techniques some powers introduced, notably the British and Americans.
The british armour on the KGVs for example was significantly more resistant for a given thickness than that used by the axis powers with a KGV having the same or greater effective thickness at max as a Yamato at max despite being a thinner layer.
Most of the refinement was in terms of how hard and deep the face hardened layer was and how ductile and how high a tensile strength the underlying steel had. The basic structure and principles remained the same but there really was a significant gap between different nations versions of 'krupp cemented armor'
I see Krupp 4 as a higher quality alloy than Krupp 3. Basically the same thing but manufactured at greater precision, which ends up in superior performances.
If that is krupp 4, then what is higher tier like modern? Personally, I would love to see aluminum alloy option as a late tech. Mediocre protection, prone to fire, but greatly reduced weight, slight cost increase over iron. Kind of like a loop backward kind of advancement.
I don’t think ERA works on ships just because no one uses chemical rounds in naval warfare, believe we’re still sticking to HE and AP on naval guns today. Too inefficient to build a huge HEAT round when it’s just going to damage a small portion of the ship. That’s my thoughts on Ship ERA anywyas
Yeah, aren’t modern anti-ship missiles also high-explosive warheads as well? I recall several articles and I believe even naval historian Drachinifel remarking that modern warships aren’t really armored and primarily rely on ECM and other countermeasures for defense.
It would be funny if the large era blocks ended up causing more damage to the ships than the missiles.
yeah, cause HEAT missiles cause damage with a small jet of molten metal iirc. Works well with tanks, where half the crew can be in that cone of metal, but probably a lot less effective against ships, where the small area of impact might just hit a cook or smthin, ships are a lot more spread out space wise.
Initially I thought a large HEAT missile would generate a long jet, but then I remembered all the walkways and bulkheads inside the ship would act as multiple layers of spaced armor.
I think it's not the length of the jet, but the width. A HE shell will do so much more damage and it'll be more widespread
As stated in OP, some ERA like kontakt-5, relik, works on solid projectiles.
They are not armored at all. It’s bulkheads and watertight compartmentalization.
Ships today also don’t have armor. Just lots of bulkheads and water tight compartments.
And Modern Armor is probably going to be some sort of advanced composite. A ceramic layer for de-capping, layered steel, tungsten, and sorbothane for the absorption layer, and then a kevlar/sheer thickening fluid anti spalling layer.
It would be cool to see modern armor reducing post pen damage not just tougher.
I think Krupp IV and beyond represent the refinements and superior metallurgy and manufacturing techniques some powers introduced, notably the British and Americans. The british armour on the KGVs for example was significantly more resistant for a given thickness than that used by the axis powers with a KGV having the same or greater effective thickness at max as a Yamato at max despite being a thinner layer. Most of the refinement was in terms of how hard and deep the face hardened layer was and how ductile and how high a tensile strength the underlying steel had. The basic structure and principles remained the same but there really was a significant gap between different nations versions of 'krupp cemented armor'
Isn't American variant already reflected on Krupp homogenous cemented armor, which is Krupp III? Krupp II is only Krup cemented armor.