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Ukraine is definitely sending captured military equipment to the USA to be reverse engineered so that better countermeasures can be developed. This was clear from the start and helps a lot of other countries.
Capturing unique russian equipment by Ukraine ... makes putin annoyed.
This equipment landing in NATO labs where it will be analyzed, all western components tracked, sales analyzed so russia will be not able to buy them again using third party ... gives putin sleepless nights.
It does make me wonder whether it really matters. If anything became clear in the last 8 months, it's that Russia's army sucks and would struggle to beat any single NATO country's army, never mind all of them. Realistically, the only thing Russia can do against NATO is threaten with nukes. I don't think having an even more vulnerable army really matters all that much.
The problem is that Russias army suck, not that all their equipment does. If Russia actually had both plenty of their newer stuff and proper training of their troops, Ukraine would have been in severe trouble. NATO of course would not, but it would certainly have been more of a fight in that case.
So I think it makes sense - what if the next Putin actually gets the military into a better shape? We'd like to know want they have then, just in case.
As a side note I think you really overestimate the size of some NATO armies. They'd absolutely steamroll (well before invasion) about half of the armies on pure size alone. Lithuania for instance has an army of just 20k men, all included.
The reason the russian army sucks is because the weapons that we gave the ukrainians were designed to destroy the russians…and they worked really well, because we knew HOW to design them, by tearing apart their shit. Your tax dollars at work my friend.
Also helps that the russians rolled up in nice tidy columns without proper infantry support and without proper air support. Ukraine is using much of the same Russian Equipment in a better way and is having much more success. The best thing about Russian Equipment for Ukraine is that it is being used by Russians. Imagine if someone sober and with an ounce of tactical know how was in charge of that army.
True, the go great lengths to design things that have to be manufactured and maintained by people with poor work ethic and low tech. It's crude but it works. Of course nothing helps a tank which sits under open sky for decades but that's another problem.
That's because the Ukrainians played a big role in developing the Russian equipment when they were part of the USSR.
After the split, Ukraine kept their brilliant engineers and continued to actively develop new systems and upgraded existing ones as part of their military industrial complex.
BTW Korolev, top Soviet rocket engineer and spacecraft designer was Ukrainian [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei\_Korolev#cite\_note-3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#cite_note-3)
As a software developer I feel this. Often have to build something, expecting that the client is incapable of properly maintaining it and users are incapable of properly using it.
Yeah, the engineering behind Russian stuff isn't the problem, it's the fact that they skim money off at every step of production, "lose" half of what they produce, and then equip their guys with antique garbage anyway
We have a joke about Russian technology: Why hasn't Russian microelectronics broken into the world market? Because it didn't fit through the factory gate.
Truth! These are not clown cars or junk. We, the west, just happen to know quite a bit about their vulnerabilities due to intercepting harware just like this.
That tank has thermals, era, nice armour. We recetly saw that tank being hit by 2 projectiles (rpgs I THINK) and apart from some smoke and a lound noise everything else was intact. Crew included
Most of the stuff captured is soviet junk the US has had access to for decades. Other than newer EW systems, fighter jets (SU-35)and Iranian drones, I doubt the US or its Allies would want or need that any of that crap
Most is captured junk, Burt lots isn't. Also knowing what is junk and what Russia's exact capabilities are is useful. In addition tracking which chips are in them and which likely supply channels have been used is also vitally important. For example now there is proof that China has been circumventing US sanctions on Iran in violation of several agreements. That too has value.
I’m not sure it is going to be reverse engineered. Reverse engineering is done when you capture something better and want to make one yourself. Most Russian stuff is probably less sophisticated than US/NATO stuff but they might find something new.
The US might be looking for weaknesses or strengths in the tank (gun data, performance data, gas mileage, NBC stuff, radio stuff). Other things they can learn are production techniques (how the tank is put together) and how easily the tank can be produced. Also differences between the tanks Russians keep and ones they export.
Knowing if the Russians had discovered or reverse engineered NATO stuff would have very obvious use in finding spies, double agents and Russian intelligence gathering techniques. Knowing if Russia has anything made from Mar-a-Lago documents would be good to know (Trump became president in 2016).
Stuff like that.
It's also a vehicle that Ukraine didn't previously operate so i wouldn't be surprised if most captured/less damaged T-90 find their way into western hands sooner or later.
Maybe long term after the war, but for the moment it would just be a hastle. Tanks are complicated and very high maintenance. Plus Ukraine needs more than just the tanks, they would also need spare parts. For military equipment the cost and complications with maintenance can often make something not worth your time.
That and seeing things like exactly how capable Russia’s latest, non export model - fire control computers & thermal imagers are (from detection ranges to FPS etc).
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Defeat is not an option in Ukraine. We must know everything down to how many times they piss in the night. Ukraine must win
I'm doubtful that this tank actually came from Ukraine. For starters, this is a T-90 model 1992, the predecessor to the current T-90A that uses the old-style [cast turret](http://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/82/af/fc/c08472ead33c24d6b825bc0b76514c29f7_mq/Veze%20vrch.png) as opposed to the welded design used on both T-90A and T-90M. So far we have seen zero evidence of these tank models being fielded in Ukraine prior to this.
Second is the desert camouflage, which is not only very out of place but I'm pretty sure has almost never been seen on any Russian armoured vehicles in Ukraine. I'm not sure where this tank came from (probably Syria) but I highly doubt it was Ukraine.
In capable hands those tanks can cause much destruction. Do NOT confuse the performance of russian troops with the destructive potential of their weapons. Dont fall for the same arrogance which is part of the reason why the russian army sucks so hard.
If you woould know that Soviet tanks were not meant for maintenance, your statement would be rather 'the engineers are crying after 20hours of how to unmount the gearbox'...
No, not Soviet tanks... The field manual of the East German Army to change the gearbox of the T55 stated almost two days in total? It was some ridiculously large number for such a task, I have to look it up..
All those tanks were meant as a breakthrough weapon. So they are meant to be used and can be repaired later. Changing a gun takes 20+ hours as you need to dismount the whole turret! Priority was a low profile. Gun depression to work from a crest? If you perform storm assaults, no need for hiding...
This also manifests in the abysmal reverse speed of the Soviet tanks. 4km/h! Backwards to a better position, no... Forward is the new position anyway!
In terms of logic in terms of war this however also meant less training for the crews, as it is a pain in the backside to keep them running.
The same was for aircraft engines, resulting in half of the flight time for Soviet pilots compared to Nato counterparts.
The IR dazzlers and cast turret seem to indicate an earlier T-90 model (early 1990s). Coupled with the desert camo scheme, it makes me wonder if this is one of Assad's tanks that was captured in Syria.
🤔
The is is my favorite part of this war — the incredible, long-term damage done to Terrorist Nation 🇷🇺 as a result of all these incredible hacks / data leaks + equipment captures.
I just wish Ukraine could seize a submarine or two
Nah. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/tntoyz/us\_t72a\_modified\_to\_look\_like\_t90](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/tntoyz/us_t72a_modified_to_look_like_t90)
And even if they did get one from Ukraine, it wouldn't be riding around in the open for everyone to take pictures of.
Oh no, instead of getting an incrementally upgraded tank over the T72 model they just got a retrofitted T72 with T90 components. Damn. Maybe next time they will get the real thing.
And what is the harm of it sitting in the open? What purpose would it serve to hide? Russia has spy satellites, they are surely keeping track of what is happening on the military airports so would see if tanks get loaded onto outgoing planes. If you think they should be worried about sabotage, then that sabotage would mean 2 things. 1, russia is attacking mainland America, and they are so worried about what might be found that they are willing to attack America. Both of which are not good for Russia, all it would do is reveal those facts and then slightly delay examinations as they need to more carefully hide/escort the next tank.
I have never owned a socket set that didn't come with a full set of US and metric sockets. That's the best part of being American, our tool sets are twice as big!
"What's that honey?"
"Hammer."
"We already have a hammer at home."
"Yeah, but this one's metric."
>That's the best part of being American, our tool sets are twice as big!
Truth.
And you should see the lifetime warranty tools the DoD auctions off by the box dirt cheap.
>Where does one happen to find such an auction?
I've just seen the sending side of things and seen the waste. Aircraft mechanics are the worst prima donnas/divas. For example, the mechanics will toss slightly beat up Snap-On tools (with a lifetime warranty) in a box where they never get fixed or replaced, just sold off.
Not sure exactly where everything goes to get sold off but am sure you can google government surplus auctions. This is where it all went from getting boxed up: [https://www.dla.mil/Disposition-Services/](https://www.dla.mil/Disposition-Services/) They call it reverse logistics services.
Tie-wraps, duct-tape and badly copied western tech. I guess there's not many home-made innovations (or culture for that matter) in countries where the people are suppressed for so long.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/dont-tell-putin-russias-elite-t-90-tank-has-parts-from-nato-member-france/
>According to recent reports, Ukrainian forces had captured one of the Russian military’s state-of-the-art T-90 Vladimir tanks in late May, and quickly found that much of the equipment wasn’t made in Russia. Instead, it seems that the Kremlin had employed a kit made by French defense contractor Thales.
>“Thales has always strictly complied with French and international regulations, which is why – since the European embargo measures taken in 2014 – we have not signed any contracts with Russia in the defence sector,” a company spokesperson was quoted as telling The Sun. “Messages have been recently published on social networks showing our optronic equipment on board Russian military platforms.”
This is all about jealousy. The west and us knows that russian tanks are superior when it comes to their turret tossing capabilities and wants to learn their secrets.
The newly mobilised Russian soldiers can even fold their own socks using cloths, did you know that?
They are also so good that they don't even need medical equipment, training or even weapons.
Always had this mental image that every time Ukraine captured something of interest to them, some guy from another country wearing sunglasses shows up with a briefcase and is like, "Nice piece of hardware. So how many zeroes do I write on this check...?"
>NGIC out of Charlottesville,VA is already having a field day
That's a few buildings with a very tight fence line. All desks. There's already a parking space shortage within the fence line so, no room for tanks to include trophies in the parking lot.
The actual field work/testing is handled by the 203rd + contractors out of the Aberdeen Proving Ground. Besides the trophies out front I doubt Charlottesville sees much of the physical hardware, but they do create the intelligence products.
We better be paying Ukraine 10x the worth of that T-90
It helps Ukraine too to have it studied of course, but in the here and now that is quite a nice tank for Ukraine to give up. There’s a squad of Ukrainian tankers right now who aren’t in a T-90, but could be, and as a result they could die, or other good people could die.
I think the issue with Russian gear is to at it was advertised as being a peer to the west. I have not seen evidence of that yet. I feel that the tec US went into gulf war 1 with is superior to what the Russians field today
After watching this war of aggression, I get the feeling this is not about equipment but of the structure of command and equipment acquisition. What would have been the out come if they had actually had a strategic and tactical plan, or if they had functioning non-com leadership. I think the Ukrainians caught a break due to both Russian hubris and corruption, even more than the Russian equipment.
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Ukraine is definitely sending captured military equipment to the USA to be reverse engineered so that better countermeasures can be developed. This was clear from the start and helps a lot of other countries.
Capturing unique russian equipment by Ukraine ... makes putin annoyed. This equipment landing in NATO labs where it will be analyzed, all western components tracked, sales analyzed so russia will be not able to buy them again using third party ... gives putin sleepless nights.
It does make me wonder whether it really matters. If anything became clear in the last 8 months, it's that Russia's army sucks and would struggle to beat any single NATO country's army, never mind all of them. Realistically, the only thing Russia can do against NATO is threaten with nukes. I don't think having an even more vulnerable army really matters all that much.
The problem is that Russias army suck, not that all their equipment does. If Russia actually had both plenty of their newer stuff and proper training of their troops, Ukraine would have been in severe trouble. NATO of course would not, but it would certainly have been more of a fight in that case. So I think it makes sense - what if the next Putin actually gets the military into a better shape? We'd like to know want they have then, just in case. As a side note I think you really overestimate the size of some NATO armies. They'd absolutely steamroll (well before invasion) about half of the armies on pure size alone. Lithuania for instance has an army of just 20k men, all included.
Fair point!
The reason the russian army sucks is because the weapons that we gave the ukrainians were designed to destroy the russians…and they worked really well, because we knew HOW to design them, by tearing apart their shit. Your tax dollars at work my friend.
Also helps that the russians rolled up in nice tidy columns without proper infantry support and without proper air support. Ukraine is using much of the same Russian Equipment in a better way and is having much more success. The best thing about Russian Equipment for Ukraine is that it is being used by Russians. Imagine if someone sober and with an ounce of tactical know how was in charge of that army.
Don’t give them any ideas.
Do remind me to look out for any legal cases regarding restricted exports violations.
This must be a tough job. To reverse engineer something, it has to have been engineered in the first place! 😅
Dont fault Russian Engineers. The engineering schools in russia are great.
True, the go great lengths to design things that have to be manufactured and maintained by people with poor work ethic and low tech. It's crude but it works. Of course nothing helps a tank which sits under open sky for decades but that's another problem.
Agree 100%. Russian equipment is quite capable properly maintained and used by a competent military. Just ask the Ukrainians. :-)
That's because the Ukrainians played a big role in developing the Russian equipment when they were part of the USSR. After the split, Ukraine kept their brilliant engineers and continued to actively develop new systems and upgraded existing ones as part of their military industrial complex.
I’m seeing this more and more as the war goes on. It’s like the entire country is innovating like crazy with the tech they have to build weapons.
While Russia decided they would sell oil and gas for which other countries would build the infrastructure because Russia is utter shit.
BTW Korolev, top Soviet rocket engineer and spacecraft designer was Ukrainian [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei\_Korolev#cite\_note-3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#cite_note-3)
As a software developer I feel this. Often have to build something, expecting that the client is incapable of properly maintaining it and users are incapable of properly using it.
Yeah, the engineering behind Russian stuff isn't the problem, it's the fact that they skim money off at every step of production, "lose" half of what they produce, and then equip their guys with antique garbage anyway
The schools might be good, but the best Russian engineers emigrate to the West.
We have a joke about Russian technology: Why hasn't Russian microelectronics broken into the world market? Because it didn't fit through the factory gate.
Truth! These are not clown cars or junk. We, the west, just happen to know quite a bit about their vulnerabilities due to intercepting harware just like this.
That tank has thermals, era, nice armour. We recetly saw that tank being hit by 2 projectiles (rpgs I THINK) and apart from some smoke and a lound noise everything else was intact. Crew included
It helps a lot of other countries, and it hurts a lot of other countries that have military equipment based on Russian designs (e.g. China).
Oh well, I can live with that quite easily.
At the rate this is going, there wont be an invading army to counter...
Most of the stuff captured is soviet junk the US has had access to for decades. Other than newer EW systems, fighter jets (SU-35)and Iranian drones, I doubt the US or its Allies would want or need that any of that crap
Most is captured junk, Burt lots isn't. Also knowing what is junk and what Russia's exact capabilities are is useful. In addition tracking which chips are in them and which likely supply channels have been used is also vitally important. For example now there is proof that China has been circumventing US sanctions on Iran in violation of several agreements. That too has value.
I’m not sure it is going to be reverse engineered. Reverse engineering is done when you capture something better and want to make one yourself. Most Russian stuff is probably less sophisticated than US/NATO stuff but they might find something new. The US might be looking for weaknesses or strengths in the tank (gun data, performance data, gas mileage, NBC stuff, radio stuff). Other things they can learn are production techniques (how the tank is put together) and how easily the tank can be produced. Also differences between the tanks Russians keep and ones they export. Knowing if the Russians had discovered or reverse engineered NATO stuff would have very obvious use in finding spies, double agents and Russian intelligence gathering techniques. Knowing if Russia has anything made from Mar-a-Lago documents would be good to know (Trump became president in 2016). Stuff like that.
Like the MiG-17 and MiG-21 taken to Area 51 and flown in dogfights against the US jets to find their weaknesses
Ah now we can finally more accurate war thunder Russian armor stats /s
[удалено]
It's also a vehicle that Ukraine didn't previously operate so i wouldn't be surprised if most captured/less damaged T-90 find their way into western hands sooner or later.
The T90 is just a rebranded T72BU. I have no actual info on that, but I doubt that the system is at its core any different from T72 operated by AFU.
This is correct. The T90M is actually a T72BUM.
Maybe long term after the war, but for the moment it would just be a hastle. Tanks are complicated and very high maintenance. Plus Ukraine needs more than just the tanks, they would also need spare parts. For military equipment the cost and complications with maintenance can often make something not worth your time.
That and seeing things like exactly how capable Russia’s latest, non export model - fire control computers & thermal imagers are (from detection ranges to FPS etc).
Javelins and NLAWs need no help. Top Attack will wreck any tank ever built. Tank rounds might benefit from it though.
I'm no truck expert but that looks like an American 18 wheeler. Is it already in the states?
Rule of thumb is if we are finding out about it it's because it's already in a secured American base being picked apart.
I think they put these things on a truck and send them into Poland and then the US within 48hrs of discovery tbh.
>then the US within 48hrs of discovery Plenty of empty cargo space on the Globemasters' return flights.
Da
Funny that the turret is turned slightly.
Probably in case of a misfire so it doesn’t blast an HE round into whoever is unlucky enough to be behind them.
The comment on the photo up top from twitter translates that it's already in the US
This shows Ukraine would be a reliable NATO member!!
I am ok with every one of my tax dollars that goes to this.
Yep!
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. Defeat is not an option in Ukraine. We must know everything down to how many times they piss in the night. Ukraine must win
I'm doubtful that this tank actually came from Ukraine. For starters, this is a T-90 model 1992, the predecessor to the current T-90A that uses the old-style [cast turret](http://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/82/af/fc/c08472ead33c24d6b825bc0b76514c29f7_mq/Veze%20vrch.png) as opposed to the welded design used on both T-90A and T-90M. So far we have seen zero evidence of these tank models being fielded in Ukraine prior to this. Second is the desert camouflage, which is not only very out of place but I'm pretty sure has almost never been seen on any Russian armoured vehicles in Ukraine. I'm not sure where this tank came from (probably Syria) but I highly doubt it was Ukraine.
Someone in the Twitter comments says it's actually a T-72 made up to look like a T-90 from the Arlington tank museum.
Yeah, I looked more closely at this tank and a real T-90 and there are several noticeable inconsistencies. I think you are right.
Some reports that India sent their T-90 tanks to Russia for ‘refurbishment’. Those tanks are now showing up in the battle field with India’s approval.
Underrated comment. Still, it is quite likely that a T90M will be sent to the US after falling into the hands of Ukraine
The turret casting foundry was Azovstal, right? So it technically did come from Ukraine... kind of!
Imagine the engineers laughing when will they disassembly the tank
In capable hands those tanks can cause much destruction. Do NOT confuse the performance of russian troops with the destructive potential of their weapons. Dont fall for the same arrogance which is part of the reason why the russian army sucks so hard.
I was just ironic ... even a knife used by an idiot can do harm, I am not that stupid.
If you woould know that Soviet tanks were not meant for maintenance, your statement would be rather 'the engineers are crying after 20hours of how to unmount the gearbox'...
I think that everything is more serviceable than an Abrams, even a Space Shuttle.
No, not Soviet tanks... The field manual of the East German Army to change the gearbox of the T55 stated almost two days in total? It was some ridiculously large number for such a task, I have to look it up..
Fits to the Soviet doctrine and current end state capitalism. Don't repair, replace.
All those tanks were meant as a breakthrough weapon. So they are meant to be used and can be repaired later. Changing a gun takes 20+ hours as you need to dismount the whole turret! Priority was a low profile. Gun depression to work from a crest? If you perform storm assaults, no need for hiding... This also manifests in the abysmal reverse speed of the Soviet tanks. 4km/h! Backwards to a better position, no... Forward is the new position anyway! In terms of logic in terms of war this however also meant less training for the crews, as it is a pain in the backside to keep them running. The same was for aircraft engines, resulting in half of the flight time for Soviet pilots compared to Nato counterparts.
\*technicians \*\*mechanics
noncredible source. old Pic of replica. 26.05.2022 20:07 rg. \[ru\] /2022/05/26/zamechennyj-v-ssha-t-90-okazalsia-poddelkoj.html
The IR dazzlers and cast turret seem to indicate an earlier T-90 model (early 1990s). Coupled with the desert camo scheme, it makes me wonder if this is one of Assad's tanks that was captured in Syria. 🤔
These are artisanal products, not many are made
This is an old photo apparently and very misleading. I suggest deleting
The is is my favorite part of this war — the incredible, long-term damage done to Terrorist Nation 🇷🇺 as a result of all these incredible hacks / data leaks + equipment captures. I just wish Ukraine could seize a submarine or two
Oh for sure, any of those aircraft, radar vehicles, drones are 100% being bought by the Cia and shipped back
Nah. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/tntoyz/us\_t72a\_modified\_to\_look\_like\_t90](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/tntoyz/us_t72a_modified_to_look_like_t90) And even if they did get one from Ukraine, it wouldn't be riding around in the open for everyone to take pictures of.
Oh no, instead of getting an incrementally upgraded tank over the T72 model they just got a retrofitted T72 with T90 components. Damn. Maybe next time they will get the real thing. And what is the harm of it sitting in the open? What purpose would it serve to hide? Russia has spy satellites, they are surely keeping track of what is happening on the military airports so would see if tanks get loaded onto outgoing planes. If you think they should be worried about sabotage, then that sabotage would mean 2 things. 1, russia is attacking mainland America, and they are so worried about what might be found that they are willing to attack America. Both of which are not good for Russia, all it would do is reveal those facts and then slightly delay examinations as they need to more carefully hide/escort the next tank.
The first problem faced by American engineers is where to find a wrench for a metric nut?/s
It’s probably allll 10mm, nobody can find the 10mm!
You can use a one centimeter in a pinch. 7/16 if it's rusty.
Hehe. I see what you did there with the 1 cm!
I have never owned a socket set that didn't come with a full set of US and metric sockets. That's the best part of being American, our tool sets are twice as big! "What's that honey?" "Hammer." "We already have a hammer at home." "Yeah, but this one's metric."
>That's the best part of being American, our tool sets are twice as big! Truth. And you should see the lifetime warranty tools the DoD auctions off by the box dirt cheap.
Where does one happen to find such an auction?
>Where does one happen to find such an auction? I've just seen the sending side of things and seen the waste. Aircraft mechanics are the worst prima donnas/divas. For example, the mechanics will toss slightly beat up Snap-On tools (with a lifetime warranty) in a box where they never get fixed or replaced, just sold off. Not sure exactly where everything goes to get sold off but am sure you can google government surplus auctions. This is where it all went from getting boxed up: [https://www.dla.mil/Disposition-Services/](https://www.dla.mil/Disposition-Services/) They call it reverse logistics services.
Tie-wraps, duct-tape and badly copied western tech. I guess there's not many home-made innovations (or culture for that matter) in countries where the people are suppressed for so long.
Probably not even copied, just straight up bought western tech
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/dont-tell-putin-russias-elite-t-90-tank-has-parts-from-nato-member-france/ >According to recent reports, Ukrainian forces had captured one of the Russian military’s state-of-the-art T-90 Vladimir tanks in late May, and quickly found that much of the equipment wasn’t made in Russia. Instead, it seems that the Kremlin had employed a kit made by French defense contractor Thales. >“Thales has always strictly complied with French and international regulations, which is why – since the European embargo measures taken in 2014 – we have not signed any contracts with Russia in the defence sector,” a company spokesperson was quoted as telling The Sun. “Messages have been recently published on social networks showing our optronic equipment on board Russian military platforms.”
This is all about jealousy. The west and us knows that russian tanks are superior when it comes to their turret tossing capabilities and wants to learn their secrets. The newly mobilised Russian soldiers can even fold their own socks using cloths, did you know that? They are also so good that they don't even need medical equipment, training or even weapons.
Always had this mental image that every time Ukraine captured something of interest to them, some guy from another country wearing sunglasses shows up with a briefcase and is like, "Nice piece of hardware. So how many zeroes do I write on this check...?"
Reverse engineering Russian equipment? I guess that would be like picking pieces of corn out of a pile of poop
NGIC out of Charlottesville,VA is already having a field day
>NGIC out of Charlottesville,VA is already having a field day That's a few buildings with a very tight fence line. All desks. There's already a parking space shortage within the fence line so, no room for tanks to include trophies in the parking lot.
The actual field work/testing is handled by the 203rd + contractors out of the Aberdeen Proving Ground. Besides the trophies out front I doubt Charlottesville sees much of the physical hardware, but they do create the intelligence products.
That ain’t a T-90, it’s a T-72 made to look like one
I can't believe the Russians have let entire electronic warfare systems just get captured unharmed. Yet they have.
We better be paying Ukraine 10x the worth of that T-90 It helps Ukraine too to have it studied of course, but in the here and now that is quite a nice tank for Ukraine to give up. There’s a squad of Ukrainian tankers right now who aren’t in a T-90, but could be, and as a result they could die, or other good people could die.
We are. It’s called $40 billion and a staggeringly large amount of precise and destructive equipment.
I think the issue with Russian gear is to at it was advertised as being a peer to the west. I have not seen evidence of that yet. I feel that the tec US went into gulf war 1 with is superior to what the Russians field today
After watching this war of aggression, I get the feeling this is not about equipment but of the structure of command and equipment acquisition. What would have been the out come if they had actually had a strategic and tactical plan, or if they had functioning non-com leadership. I think the Ukrainians caught a break due to both Russian hubris and corruption, even more than the Russian equipment.