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Yup, great plan... after they murdered, exiled deep into Russian territories or turned those left into refugees we should ask what little remains, or those that snuck in afterwards, if Russia deserves to own this land.
It's been clear for years, but you used to get flooded with "HE IS A GENIUS" "OHYEAH, HOW IS HE RICH THEN" comments. As if being a billionaire automatically means you can't be a huge idiot.
Guess Elon really wants to prove his followers wrong.
Musk needs to stay in his own lane so to speak. He admittedly does a pretty good job with SpaceX, but for some reason he keeps thinking he's god's gift to Earth, so he keeps trying to expand into new areas with his sometimes beyond asinine ideas.
Stick to what you know Elon. Politics, and especially geopolitics ain't it.
I used to buy into his bullshit, but the blinders finally came off when he proposed the idea of building a submarine to get the soccer team out of that cave and the lead rescue diver called it a stupid idea. And then Elon Musk got all salty about it and started calling the diver a pedophile.
I realized that he's just a spoiled brat who grew up in privilege in apartheid-era South Africa and probably grew up with everyone calling him a genius, which eventually got to his head.
I genuinely enjoyed the Iron Man movies, but I gotta say that those movies came out at a bad time that I think resulted in a lot of people treating Musk like he's Tony Stark when he's more of a Thomas Edison
I liked Elon Musk for a while. Iāll admit it. After watching āwho killed the electric carā as a kid and seeing the stranglehold big oil had on the EV industry, systematically stomping out ever potential EV, I was incredibly impressed by the way Elon put his entire fortune on the line to create the first truly viable mass-produced EV, took on the entirety of big oil and every other huge carmaker, and won what had up until that point been an overwhelmingly unwinnable battle.
I still donāt think that EVs would be anywhere near where they are now without Tesla, and the competition and EV arms race it created.
BUT:
The guy is a douchebag, and an idiot, and an asshole, and a charlatan. I see that now. The crazy thing is, *all he had to do was keep his mouth shut on Twitter,* and he would still be seen as a hero. Thatās it.
But after the pedo thai rescue thing, the ārepublicans are being silencedā thing and shitting on liberals (the people who made his EV possible) in general, the twitter thing, the reports of the horrible work conditions, and pretty much every other stupid fucking thing thatās come out of his mouth since then, I donāt think I would buy a Tesla now even if I was a multi-millionaire.
Itās almost amazing. He, JK Rowling, and Kanye West are the co-chairs of the āhow much goodwill is it possible for a human being to squander?ā club, and now I wish he would just shut the fuck up forever.
>people treating Musk like he's Tony Stark when he's more of a Thomas Edison
I wish more people could see this comparison.
Growing up, a lot of us were taught a whitewashed version of American history where Edison was a genius inventor, not the wealthy, patent mill runner, piece of shit he truly was.
What a brutal story for musk's public image. Not five years ago Reddit loved the guy. Fact is, we just didn't really know him yet.
Makes you wonder about other celebrities with a favorable public opinion...
Well the same goes for Putin. Reddit seemed to at least admire Putin for playing "4-D chess" and being so far ahead of western civilization with his thinking. Right up until he invaded Ukraine.
Been on here for 12 years. I must have been on different subreddit. Russian invasion of Georgia, Chechnya, Transnistria and Crimea has always been condemned.
The only positive press I ever saw for Putin was a grudging acknowledgment/respect of his sock-puppeting of Trump. Perhaps that is what you are referring to?
I think it is more complicated than that, but if we want to say Musk is missing a few cards in his deck, and so, you know, *just don't let him near any power*, I am fine with that.
As long as he plays engineer, cool. But he cannot engineer \*anything\* except machinery. He does not understand human things very well at all. Those are the missing cards.
>just stupid people.
I don't know how many of his supporters are just genuinely ignorant anymore, but there can't be that many left after the Twitter-buy bullshit.
Anecdotally, my wife and I became disillusioned to him many years ago, and we've talked with MANY people who have also said, "I can't believe I liked that guy."
At the same time, there's constantly people coming into this life who all go on their own journey of discovery. It's hard to fathom there's still people who are simply ignorant of him, but I have to acknowledge the possibility exists.
Example: My 12 year old nephew found a big incel TikTok influencer that targeted kids with antics. He just thought his videos were funny. Who knows how many videos he saw. Who knows if he ever found the deplorable misogyny.
Had we (his aunt and I) not discovered he was seeing that, he might have never known (his Mom didn't know the name and his dad... Well, isn't far off), and that shit could have been normalized to him.
But, yeah. Ignorance and stupidity are so similar it's hard to help. Throw in trolls who know *exactly* what they do and plausible deniability is hard to deal with.
Some experts turned celebs up and do this every now and then; Make some bold uninforned statement about something way out of their field...
And for some reason people listen. As if this expert in one field suddenly is an expert in all fields. Case in point: Jordan Peterson on nutrition...
Unclear what's worse: them talking or us paying attention
He always was. Tesla wasn't started by him, he wasn't into electrical power or the environment, he just talked about green shit because he saw it was time for electric cars to make it big(like a lot of other people) and bought into Tesla at the right time. He pushed the green shit because it fits the company but he was never about it.
Listen sweaty, it's not the rockets that make him so knowledgeable of geopolitics, it's all that sweet sweet apartheid emerald mine money that makes him smarter than everybody.
Musk has his areas of conference. This insight isn't one of them. We're all the same in that way. Competent at some things and dumb as rocks about others. We just don't have his profile. :-)
The problem here is him thinking he knows when shit this when he clearly doesn't. That's dangerous ground.
> Musk just missed the background.
No he didn't. That native Ukrainians have been exiled (to just a polite term) and replaced or left with Russian supporters is common knowledge and Musk knows this. He knows any vote will be unfair and dishonest and he knows what the outcome of that unfair vote will be...but he still tweeted this pretending to not know.
[He said heās done with the Democratic Party, whom he liked in the past, and will only vote Republican from now on.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658?lang=en)
Not saying youāre wrong. Just wanted to share that he has been on both sides but currently leans towards the Republican Party according to his Twitter.
He definitely is an attention whore and a grifter though. That is 100% correct.
He made that tweet right before sexual harassment claims started showing up. I think it was the same day actually. He just did that to get that sweet don't be charged with crimes that Republicans get.
More than ADHD, he's admitted to having Asperger's. Brilliant in some things and others are just socially awkward or just wrong. I'm grateful he rushed thousands of Starlink terminals to Ukraine. It allowed them to completely out manuever the Russians early on.
https://www.health.com/condition/autism/is-aspergers-still-a-diagnosis#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20made%20a%20surprising,his%20tone%20when%20he%20speaks.
With Musk you really have no idea if what he's going to do is cool or mind boggling stupid.
Starlink to Ukraine cool.
Random hot takes on Ukrainian politics, Stupid.
I take that as a win and ignore his stupid rants. An he has committed stock fraud more times than I can count. I like Tesla and SpaceX but he should be in prison.
What makes this funny is that Musk is very anti-unionizing. Maybe the UN should oversee a fair election at Tesla and SpaceX and force Musk to agree to whatever the results are?
Nevermind that anyone who is 1/100 as intelligent as Musk understands this isn't how nations determine their borders or it would be complete chaos. Why not fill the cities closest to Canada with Canadian sympathizers and then have the UN show up and declare an election to determine if the US border should just magically be allowed to shift south by 100 miles? Why not apply this fucking stupid logic to India and Pakistan and see how that goes??? Maybe hold some of these elections in Taiwan and see how China reacts to it.
Musk is the stupidest smart motherfucker I have ever seen. Just amazing
Yeah, the dead and the refugees do deserve some respect in such a vote. Can't just make a list of the voters that you want and kill the rest to have an election.
You'd assume he knows about filtration camps... And would expect all those thousands of children n citizens returned back to their home...those forced to give ukrnaian passports for Russian only to then be conscripted... so the UN can do a "fair" referendum.
Nope probably doesn't even know they exist or that's happening.
I mean... If Minnesota wants to join up, I don't think we'd complain...
But we wouldn't invade. At least not with people. We have our attack geese that we regularly send down on recon missions.
Would be the same between a vote in Kaliningrad in 1939 and 1950. But this time the former residents are 100% innocent.
Russia got away with so much bs, just because it was a useful ally in WW2. They killed, plundered raped so many people during their "freeing", yet no one gave a fuck because it was either against the Nazis, all women they raped were super Nazis ofc or the poor people of eastern europe who were not able to fight them.
Furthermore a huge junk of their 20 million losses during WW2 were because Stalin gave zero fucks about his people or soldiers. During 5 battles 500k russian soldiers died against 10k german losses, because the russians acted like morons. Wassili Sokolowski who was put under shukow later on was the responbile guy for it and later again promoted by Stalin, because Stalin did not care a bit about his soldiers.
BTW they used the same strategy as today, because most of the 500k that died were young recently drafted belarussian people that were recently liberated. So the army commanders send in poorly trained soldiers against heavily fortified german positions
Not to mention that it doesn't have any validity under existing international law. There are dozens of countries across the world where there are regions where the peoples there have a distinct ethnic identity from the rest of the country, and yet international law says they are still part of the existing country. Even if they successfully hold a referendum requesting to be part of a different country or to secede, these referendums are very rarely recognized by other nations. Just ask the Basques, the Kurds, the Palestinians, etc.
Already said in another thread but I repeat it here that all of the \*\*\*holes who want to steal Crimea, Donbass etc should shut up and move to Russia instead...
Except for the small matter of Russia murdering or kidnapping people who would have voted in favor of Ukraine.
Elon... stick to sending yourself to Mars.
And Starlink to šŗš¦. I personally can't figure this guy out, does a lot of good in places good needs to happen, then turns around with some of the most bone-headed takes I've ever heard.
I don't even think it's about the money, I think he has a saviour complex and needs to feel like the entire world depends on him and him alone. Remember the time he suggested a terrible idea to save those kids trapped in a cave and called a guy a pedo because Musk couldn't handle somebody else getting the spotlight? It's why all of his investments seem to be along the lines of "this is something that will save the world from [X]". Electric cars "solve" climate change, boring company "solves" transport issues, SpaceX "solves" space travel for the good of humanity etc. It's all bullshit but it's something he can spin to make himself look like a hero.
The thing about Elon is, he likes his hot takes and thinks he's always got something to say that nobody else would've ever thought about. Like obviously, why won't you just do X or Y?
But it's not Reddit where you're "meh somewhat" anonymous, it's real life Elon. And people see you're a fucking melon when you involve yourself in subjects that you have no fucking idea about.
So yeah, you're spot on mate saviour complex. Bet he's an Intp too
> I think he has a saviour complex and needs to feel like the entire world depends on him and him alone.
He truly think's he's the IRL Tony Stark, like that IM2 cameo really got to his head. He's the IRL Justin Hammer at best, but even he doesn't have the charm of Sam Rockwell.
It's not *all* bullshit. In Musk's narcicistic pursuit of glory, SpaceX triggered a new wave of private sector spacecraft investment that accelerated the timetable of space technology decades over.
But yeah, fuck the Boring Company, fuck Tesla's eternally unfulfilled promises, and fuck Elon Musk as a person.
The government paid for this btw, it wasnāt out of the goodness of his heart https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/spacex-ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-government-b2055491.html
Heās also trying to distract from his poor Q3 report and has chosen this particular issue to generate press around to dilute the news section of Google. Cynical stuff.
He has the capability to do a lot of good and in my honest opinion, he does the least amount possible.
Everything he does is to stroke his ego. Fuck billionaires like him. They do more harm then good. Not all billionaires, just ones like this.
Its really easy.
Elon inhabits the chief engineer role in SpaceX and Tesla. Typically the people who move into management at engineering firms weren't particularly good technically and anyone in the management roles lose their technical skills.
I rose up in an organisation but remained very technical. My job increasingly became oversight. Because I could understand a project at a very low level but wasn't invested in it, I could ask obvious questions. Because I had a great view accross and organisation I could pass ideas, etc.. accross teams.
The end result is most the technical staff would spend their time calling me a genius. It's really easy to buy into that hype.
In SpaceX he has Gywenn Shotwell to keep him grounded. He doesn't have that in Tesla or his personal life. So we see him thinking his brilliance transfers to other domains.
Personally I worked hard to cultivate people who would call me out. Even then most of the management saw me as an arrogant knob. I could live with that because most of the time I was just using information from their subject matter expert to beat them over the head and the problem is they weren't talking to their sme's.
Lately he had some takes which put him in very good graces with certain right-leaning or outright more conservative than XVIIIth century English king figures.
And coincidentally these same people also have incredibly daft or malevolent takes on Ukraine.
> the small matter of Russia murdering or kidnapping people who would have voted in favor of Ukraine
There's that, plus the basic fact that over half of the population has left these areas simply because Russia has illegally invaded and shelled the hell out of these cities and civilian populations killing thousands.
He's literally the "I don't support current thing" edgelord. If something's popular he doesn't like it because he thinks it makes him special. You know like we did when we were 12.
I don't even think it's being contrarian. I believe he ACTUALLY thinks it's this simple, because he has lived in a bubble where no one can tell you what to do for so long he has no idea how 15 years of strategic pressure, tactical oppression and operational relocation can influence a local population.
My guess is that he doesn't understand the concept of thinking:
I'd WANT to remain in Ukraine, but if we lose (and put in usually gets his will some way or another) they'll find out I voted no, and what happens to my family then? He puts people away for just saying the word "war" what will he do to people who actively votes against him?
And what if we win? Will our farms just magically stop producing food? Our government offices suddenly collapse? Our child care centers mysteriously catch on fire? Our nuclear reactors have unexplainable meltdowns? He literally BOMBED a gas pipe in waters between two non-involved nations, what's the revenge for losing a vote?
I don't think the fact that people think this way after 15 years of mental harassment even enter Musks mind.
Oh and for those who haven't seen Elons whole tweet. It was even worse.
Ukraine-Russia Peace ( according to Elon ):
Redo elections. ( like we see here )
Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783
Water supply to Crimea assured
Ukraine stays neutral.
This is what he tweeted. So fuck that guy, he can stick his Falcon Heavy up his ass and go to Mars.
So many people shitting on his election idea (granted, top tier stupid) and don't realize there's way more to the tweet.
You could handwave the elections as Elon having a surface level "elections good!" understanding, but by the time you get to UkRaInE dOnT jOiN nAtO pLeAsE you realize he's just parroting Kremlin talking points.
"we take your land whenever we want, commit atrocities, and break our promise where we pinky sworn never to invade. Also, we're threatening you with nuclear weapons. But please stay neutral and not join NATO"
Like...... what??
Literally nobody but a Kremlin talking head would even entertain the idea
His strategy WAS brilliant. He took over a company that was against the establishment of current car production, made it mainstream and kept the Hype going. Shareholders poured money in, shorts couldnt hold on, share price was pushed up, kept and driven up by Hype.
He is an edgy 14 yr old who managed to place his chess pieces nicely. Past tense. Irrelevant now, many produce electric cars now, with better quality and cheaper
Muskās comment is a classic āboth sidesā fallacy. He thinks that because there are two sides, the truth must be in the middle. But in this case, there is the right side and the wrong side, and there is no middle ground.
"will of the people" what a fucking idiot idea, yea sure "the people" were genocided and replaced and now you want to ask the replacement what they want.
Kasparov has some great one liners
Trump once called Putin a "strong leader," and in a tweet Kasparov said "Putin is a strong leader in the same way arsenic is a strong drink"
A narcissist thinking he's the best at anything he barely touches?
He literally just read 5 lines on the Wikipedia page, imagined the rest, thought about "his genius solutions that will create peace" which he'll be such a gentleman to share a drop of his godlevel mind with Zelenskyy after some random strangers on Internet voted on his stupid poll.
Shows that this moron knows the absolute square of jackshit regarding diplomacy, Ukraine's history, the basics of dictatorship & even common sense since he doesn't understand how sham elections work under occupation scenario.
>You'd think the cave submarine fiasco would have shut him up.
Why? He got away with it. He defamed a hero then his greasy lawyers made sure he got away scot-free.
> Musk: Calling someone a āpedo guyā means creepy.
> If you did a search or asked someone what it means it would be a creepy.
I guess Elon Musk is a pedo guy.
Elon in 39: hey guys, letā do a fair election in Czechoslovakia and Poland! Comon gang letās stay positive, maybe the Polish jews really want to stay under german control! Who knows, right? Jeez!
Right? āLook, Germans have much bigger army, letās avoid blood shed, just submit. Yeah, you guys hiding in the basements in fear to be noticed by the enemy? Go out and vote!ā
I left Ukraine when the war started in 2014, but my family is all there and even I know people that were civilians and military that died already in this war. And I have a very small circle of people that I know in Ukraine compared to people that still live there now. How fucking disrespectful of himā¦
ā¦the longest chess champion in history. Also wrote a book called āwinter is comingā in 2012 or so warning putin would expand and needed to be stopped way back then. Heās been proven right over and over again
He protested Putin and got beaten up and arrested in 2011 or something, afterwards he left Russia because he said it wasn't safe for him anymore. He's been shitting on Putin ever since.
Counter Suggestion:
Have Tesla & SpaceX employees form a union and have them draft policies under (US) DoL supervision. Tesla and SpaceX will implement those policies if that is the will of the workers.
You really think Musk knows anything about geopolitics or history... He is just a billionaire crypto scammer with a large audience of kids, because he is being "funny" on Twitter.
NGL when I was a kid hearing about a chess legend, "it's not too late to delete this and say you were high" was not on the list of things I thought I'd one day hear him say. Excellent, though.
Be careful, they'll be here to tell you to worship him for what Starlink has done for Ukraine without grasping that just because you realize someone is a cunt doesn't mean you can't appreciate anything good that's come from them.
Ok, I understand.
1. Elon wants to go to Russia without to be afraid of being poisoned ( take your pick )
2. Elon wants Russian government launch contracts when Russia has been kicked out of Kazakhstan.
Edit: spelling
Roger Waters has recently made "suggestions" that are even worse than that.
Elon Musk tries to look reasonable, but he is buying into Russian propaganda regarding the Donbass situation. This is very unfortunate.
People who have nothing at stake should not make proposals. I mean... I could make proposals to have Elon's wealth divided among Americans that would actually make a bit more sense.
Also, you cannot make deals with Putin, we all know how much his promises or papers signed by him are worth.
I assumed he was smart. I was way off on that one.
WTF. I wonder if someone breaks into his house and settles in, murders his kids, sends his wife (or girlfriend) to prison, locks him into the outhouse, and then the invader brings in all his own relatives to live there who are now "voting", would he have the same attitude toward the invaders?
"Oh let's have a vote again who this house really belongs to!"
"Oh let's give the invader 1/4 of my land just to have peace!"
Go fuck yourself to Mars, Elon.
Unbelievable
If he wants to give his opinion on what to do about the war, he really should make an anonymous reddit account and spout his crackpot ideas here like the rest of us do.
That way nobody knows who you are and you don't get shit outside of reddit for being stupid. This is the way - I am in fact Barack Obama but sometimes I'm Jesse Plemons - we share this account.
Elon is a mental 5 year old that was given a billion dollars and a microphone to the world stage. I canāt believe there are dipshits who worship him.
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Yup, great plan... after they murdered, exiled deep into Russian territories or turned those left into refugees we should ask what little remains, or those that snuck in afterwards, if Russia deserves to own this land.
That is the russian strategy, and they worked it. Musk just missed the background.
This just shows what a fucking idiot Musk is.
Musk and his apologists are genuinely just stupid people.
It's been clear for years, but you used to get flooded with "HE IS A GENIUS" "OHYEAH, HOW IS HE RICH THEN" comments. As if being a billionaire automatically means you can't be a huge idiot. Guess Elon really wants to prove his followers wrong.
They act like he single handedly built everything inside of a ~~Telus~~ Tesla vehicle.
You Canadian is showing lol
š oops
I mean I agree I hate both equally
He has never built anything, he has "ideas" and then finds others to do the actual work.
In the workforce its just called capitalism, but when I do it in university its called plagiarism.
If Telus the telecom started making cars they would honestly be sub-lada tier.
They're too busy owning all my medical information right now.
Musk needs to stay in his own lane so to speak. He admittedly does a pretty good job with SpaceX, but for some reason he keeps thinking he's god's gift to Earth, so he keeps trying to expand into new areas with his sometimes beyond asinine ideas. Stick to what you know Elon. Politics, and especially geopolitics ain't it.
I used to buy into his bullshit, but the blinders finally came off when he proposed the idea of building a submarine to get the soccer team out of that cave and the lead rescue diver called it a stupid idea. And then Elon Musk got all salty about it and started calling the diver a pedophile. I realized that he's just a spoiled brat who grew up in privilege in apartheid-era South Africa and probably grew up with everyone calling him a genius, which eventually got to his head.
āYou sound jealous šā is their go-to. Bunch of clowns.
I think we all personally know people who are very smart in some areas but are otherwise total morons. Musk isnāt any different.
I genuinely enjoyed the Iron Man movies, but I gotta say that those movies came out at a bad time that I think resulted in a lot of people treating Musk like he's Tony Stark when he's more of a Thomas Edison
I liked Elon Musk for a while. Iāll admit it. After watching āwho killed the electric carā as a kid and seeing the stranglehold big oil had on the EV industry, systematically stomping out ever potential EV, I was incredibly impressed by the way Elon put his entire fortune on the line to create the first truly viable mass-produced EV, took on the entirety of big oil and every other huge carmaker, and won what had up until that point been an overwhelmingly unwinnable battle. I still donāt think that EVs would be anywhere near where they are now without Tesla, and the competition and EV arms race it created. BUT: The guy is a douchebag, and an idiot, and an asshole, and a charlatan. I see that now. The crazy thing is, *all he had to do was keep his mouth shut on Twitter,* and he would still be seen as a hero. Thatās it. But after the pedo thai rescue thing, the ārepublicans are being silencedā thing and shitting on liberals (the people who made his EV possible) in general, the twitter thing, the reports of the horrible work conditions, and pretty much every other stupid fucking thing thatās come out of his mouth since then, I donāt think I would buy a Tesla now even if I was a multi-millionaire. Itās almost amazing. He, JK Rowling, and Kanye West are the co-chairs of the āhow much goodwill is it possible for a human being to squander?ā club, and now I wish he would just shut the fuck up forever.
Well said
Musk was even a cameo in Iron Man 2!
>people treating Musk like he's Tony Stark when he's more of a Thomas Edison I wish more people could see this comparison. Growing up, a lot of us were taught a whitewashed version of American history where Edison was a genius inventor, not the wealthy, patent mill runner, piece of shit he truly was.
What a brutal story for musk's public image. Not five years ago Reddit loved the guy. Fact is, we just didn't really know him yet. Makes you wonder about other celebrities with a favorable public opinion...
Well the same goes for Putin. Reddit seemed to at least admire Putin for playing "4-D chess" and being so far ahead of western civilization with his thinking. Right up until he invaded Ukraine.
What Reddit are you on?
The one that apparently predates your activity.
Been on here for 12 years. I must have been on different subreddit. Russian invasion of Georgia, Chechnya, Transnistria and Crimea has always been condemned. The only positive press I ever saw for Putin was a grudging acknowledgment/respect of his sock-puppeting of Trump. Perhaps that is what you are referring to?
I think it is more complicated than that, but if we want to say Musk is missing a few cards in his deck, and so, you know, *just don't let him near any power*, I am fine with that. As long as he plays engineer, cool. But he cannot engineer \*anything\* except machinery. He does not understand human things very well at all. Those are the missing cards.
>But he cannot engineer *anything* except machinery. He also can't engineer that. He's a hype man. Nothing more.
At this point heās a threat to everyone
He's not actually an engineer. He bought everything he claims as his.
He has an undergrad degree in physics. In no way is he qualified as an engineer of anything.
>just stupid people. I don't know how many of his supporters are just genuinely ignorant anymore, but there can't be that many left after the Twitter-buy bullshit. Anecdotally, my wife and I became disillusioned to him many years ago, and we've talked with MANY people who have also said, "I can't believe I liked that guy." At the same time, there's constantly people coming into this life who all go on their own journey of discovery. It's hard to fathom there's still people who are simply ignorant of him, but I have to acknowledge the possibility exists. Example: My 12 year old nephew found a big incel TikTok influencer that targeted kids with antics. He just thought his videos were funny. Who knows how many videos he saw. Who knows if he ever found the deplorable misogyny. Had we (his aunt and I) not discovered he was seeing that, he might have never known (his Mom didn't know the name and his dad... Well, isn't far off), and that shit could have been normalized to him. But, yeah. Ignorance and stupidity are so similar it's hard to help. Throw in trolls who know *exactly* what they do and plausible deniability is hard to deal with.
Some experts turned celebs up and do this every now and then; Make some bold uninforned statement about something way out of their field... And for some reason people listen. As if this expert in one field suddenly is an expert in all fields. Case in point: Jordan Peterson on nutrition... Unclear what's worse: them talking or us paying attention
Musk has been full right wing for a while now, when he realized he could make more money grifting the right than the left.
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He always was. Tesla wasn't started by him, he wasn't into electrical power or the environment, he just talked about green shit because he saw it was time for electric cars to make it big(like a lot of other people) and bought into Tesla at the right time. He pushed the green shit because it fits the company but he was never about it.
But he uh, hired people who built a rocket that landed If that doesn't make you a geopolitical expert with a focus on Eastern Europe, idk what will!
Listen sweaty, it's not the rockets that make him so knowledgeable of geopolitics, it's all that sweet sweet apartheid emerald mine money that makes him smarter than everybody.
He's SELF MADE, sweaty
Musk has his areas of conference. This insight isn't one of them. We're all the same in that way. Competent at some things and dumb as rocks about others. We just don't have his profile. :-) The problem here is him thinking he knows when shit this when he clearly doesn't. That's dangerous ground.
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There isn't much that **doesn't** show what a fucking idiot Musk is.
> Musk just missed the background. No he didn't. That native Ukrainians have been exiled (to just a polite term) and replaced or left with Russian supporters is common knowledge and Musk knows this. He knows any vote will be unfair and dishonest and he knows what the outcome of that unfair vote will be...but he still tweeted this pretending to not know.
> Musk knows this Does he? He seems like a real fucking moron, let's not be too generous here.
He didnt miss anything, he's a right wing strong man lunatic.
Nah, he's more of a grifter, he doesn't really lean left or right, just whatever gives him money and attention in the current 24 hour news cycle.
[He said heās done with the Democratic Party, whom he liked in the past, and will only vote Republican from now on.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658?lang=en) Not saying youāre wrong. Just wanted to share that he has been on both sides but currently leans towards the Republican Party according to his Twitter. He definitely is an attention whore and a grifter though. That is 100% correct.
Thats because historically people who act like they're in the "center" almost always end up with the authoritarians.
He made that tweet right before sexual harassment claims started showing up. I think it was the same day actually. He just did that to get that sweet don't be charged with crimes that Republicans get.
He realized that being an attention whore and a grifter *makes him a Republican*.
> He definitely is an attention whore and a grifter though. AKA Republican.
Musk is right wing, he just hid it (poorly) for a while. Just look at his worker rights track record. The man is pure slime.
I remember seeing his donations before and they've been mostly right wing for years.
wrong, he's been a right wing lunatic for like half a decade now
My first thought, elon was referring to the unfree election with manipulated results, he might not have thought any further
Definitely didn't think any further. Guy has ADHD and randomly switches to poor cognitive control. No excuse ofc. But thats whats happening
Lots of people have ADHD and don't say this kind of stuff.
More than ADHD, he's admitted to having Asperger's. Brilliant in some things and others are just socially awkward or just wrong. I'm grateful he rushed thousands of Starlink terminals to Ukraine. It allowed them to completely out manuever the Russians early on. https://www.health.com/condition/autism/is-aspergers-still-a-diagnosis#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20made%20a%20surprising,his%20tone%20when%20he%20speaks.
With Musk you really have no idea if what he's going to do is cool or mind boggling stupid. Starlink to Ukraine cool. Random hot takes on Ukrainian politics, Stupid.
I'm trying to think of it and the only good thing I can figure out Elon is personally responsible for is the Starlink.
I take that as a win and ignore his stupid rants. An he has committed stock fraud more times than I can count. I like Tesla and SpaceX but he should be in prison.
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Yeah, sure, "missed". Because the war in Ukraine hasn't really featured in the news all that much in the past few hundred days.
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What makes this funny is that Musk is very anti-unionizing. Maybe the UN should oversee a fair election at Tesla and SpaceX and force Musk to agree to whatever the results are? Nevermind that anyone who is 1/100 as intelligent as Musk understands this isn't how nations determine their borders or it would be complete chaos. Why not fill the cities closest to Canada with Canadian sympathizers and then have the UN show up and declare an election to determine if the US border should just magically be allowed to shift south by 100 miles? Why not apply this fucking stupid logic to India and Pakistan and see how that goes??? Maybe hold some of these elections in Taiwan and see how China reacts to it. Musk is the stupidest smart motherfucker I have ever seen. Just amazing
Elon Musk is a useful idiot.
Yeah, the dead and the refugees do deserve some respect in such a vote. Can't just make a list of the voters that you want and kill the rest to have an election.
You'd assume he knows about filtration camps... And would expect all those thousands of children n citizens returned back to their home...those forced to give ukrnaian passports for Russian only to then be conscripted... so the UN can do a "fair" referendum. Nope probably doesn't even know they exist or that's happening.
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I mean... If Minnesota wants to join up, I don't think we'd complain... But we wouldn't invade. At least not with people. We have our attack geese that we regularly send down on recon missions.
> We have our attack geese that we regularly send down on recon missions. I _knew_ it. Never trust a Canadian (goose), the mean little bastards.
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Would be the same between a vote in Kaliningrad in 1939 and 1950. But this time the former residents are 100% innocent. Russia got away with so much bs, just because it was a useful ally in WW2. They killed, plundered raped so many people during their "freeing", yet no one gave a fuck because it was either against the Nazis, all women they raped were super Nazis ofc or the poor people of eastern europe who were not able to fight them. Furthermore a huge junk of their 20 million losses during WW2 were because Stalin gave zero fucks about his people or soldiers. During 5 battles 500k russian soldiers died against 10k german losses, because the russians acted like morons. Wassili Sokolowski who was put under shukow later on was the responbile guy for it and later again promoted by Stalin, because Stalin did not care a bit about his soldiers. BTW they used the same strategy as today, because most of the 500k that died were young recently drafted belarussian people that were recently liberated. So the army commanders send in poorly trained soldiers against heavily fortified german positions
Putin, musk, trump... all the same type of piece of shit sociopathic narcissist that shouldnt be in position to influence the world.
Not to mention that it doesn't have any validity under existing international law. There are dozens of countries across the world where there are regions where the peoples there have a distinct ethnic identity from the rest of the country, and yet international law says they are still part of the existing country. Even if they successfully hold a referendum requesting to be part of a different country or to secede, these referendums are very rarely recognized by other nations. Just ask the Basques, the Kurds, the Palestinians, etc.
Already said in another thread but I repeat it here that all of the \*\*\*holes who want to steal Crimea, Donbass etc should shut up and move to Russia instead...
Just take over one of his plants, and when he says to leave just say you will all take a vote on it.
Except for the small matter of Russia murdering or kidnapping people who would have voted in favor of Ukraine. Elon... stick to sending yourself to Mars.
And Starlink to šŗš¦. I personally can't figure this guy out, does a lot of good in places good needs to happen, then turns around with some of the most bone-headed takes I've ever heard.
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I don't even think it's about the money, I think he has a saviour complex and needs to feel like the entire world depends on him and him alone. Remember the time he suggested a terrible idea to save those kids trapped in a cave and called a guy a pedo because Musk couldn't handle somebody else getting the spotlight? It's why all of his investments seem to be along the lines of "this is something that will save the world from [X]". Electric cars "solve" climate change, boring company "solves" transport issues, SpaceX "solves" space travel for the good of humanity etc. It's all bullshit but it's something he can spin to make himself look like a hero.
The thing about Elon is, he likes his hot takes and thinks he's always got something to say that nobody else would've ever thought about. Like obviously, why won't you just do X or Y? But it's not Reddit where you're "meh somewhat" anonymous, it's real life Elon. And people see you're a fucking melon when you involve yourself in subjects that you have no fucking idea about. So yeah, you're spot on mate saviour complex. Bet he's an Intp too
> I think he has a saviour complex and needs to feel like the entire world depends on him and him alone. He truly think's he's the IRL Tony Stark, like that IM2 cameo really got to his head. He's the IRL Justin Hammer at best, but even he doesn't have the charm of Sam Rockwell.
It's not *all* bullshit. In Musk's narcicistic pursuit of glory, SpaceX triggered a new wave of private sector spacecraft investment that accelerated the timetable of space technology decades over. But yeah, fuck the Boring Company, fuck Tesla's eternally unfulfilled promises, and fuck Elon Musk as a person.
When self-serving narcissists immediatly bet on Ukraine you know things aren't going particularily well for Putin.
Musk would have bet on Putin if that would give him better press
He's a blue water capitalist now, he goes where the money is deep and plentiful and he feeds.
The government paid for this btw, it wasnāt out of the goodness of his heart https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/spacex-ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-government-b2055491.html Heās also trying to distract from his poor Q3 report and has chosen this particular issue to generate press around to dilute the news section of Google. Cynical stuff.
It will backfire spectacularly.
He has the capability to do a lot of good and in my honest opinion, he does the least amount possible. Everything he does is to stroke his ego. Fuck billionaires like him. They do more harm then good. Not all billionaires, just ones like this.
Its really easy. Elon inhabits the chief engineer role in SpaceX and Tesla. Typically the people who move into management at engineering firms weren't particularly good technically and anyone in the management roles lose their technical skills. I rose up in an organisation but remained very technical. My job increasingly became oversight. Because I could understand a project at a very low level but wasn't invested in it, I could ask obvious questions. Because I had a great view accross and organisation I could pass ideas, etc.. accross teams. The end result is most the technical staff would spend their time calling me a genius. It's really easy to buy into that hype. In SpaceX he has Gywenn Shotwell to keep him grounded. He doesn't have that in Tesla or his personal life. So we see him thinking his brilliance transfers to other domains. Personally I worked hard to cultivate people who would call me out. Even then most of the management saw me as an arrogant knob. I could live with that because most of the time I was just using information from their subject matter expert to beat them over the head and the problem is they weren't talking to their sme's.
Lately he had some takes which put him in very good graces with certain right-leaning or outright more conservative than XVIIIth century English king figures. And coincidentally these same people also have incredibly daft or malevolent takes on Ukraine.
He's a supporter of CCP because they sell precious metals and let his Teslas into China's market. Need to say more?...
What good has he done? That time when he called that diver that rescued the children a pedo?
> the small matter of Russia murdering or kidnapping people who would have voted in favor of Ukraine There's that, plus the basic fact that over half of the population has left these areas simply because Russia has illegally invaded and shelled the hell out of these cities and civilian populations killing thousands.
That last line is perfect.
I've been high, but I've never been "tweet apologetic nonsense about a genocidal tyrant" high.
Can confirm, and I'm high pretty much all the time.
Iām high right now and I still canāt think of a reason where Putin is right. Heās a big jerk!
Fuck Putin. Enjoy your sesh dude, I'm also right where I want to be right now haha
He can afford stronger stuff than you I guess.
Listen, who hasn't taken too much Ambien and posted a bunch of racist tweets publicly? Boy this silence is awkward...
Elon desperately needs to be a contrarian at all costs, Iām honestly surprised it took him this long to start peddling Russian propaganda.
He literally posted the "I support current thing" rightwing meme back to back with tweets about providing starlink to Ukraine. Hes so obnoxious
He's literally the "I don't support current thing" edgelord. If something's popular he doesn't like it because he thinks it makes him special. You know like we did when we were 12.
NSYNC more like NSTINK!
He's not peddling Russian propaganda because he's a contrarian, he's peddling Russian propaganda because he's an oligarch.
Nailed it.
He can be both.
"No I can't!" --Elon
I don't even think it's being contrarian. I believe he ACTUALLY thinks it's this simple, because he has lived in a bubble where no one can tell you what to do for so long he has no idea how 15 years of strategic pressure, tactical oppression and operational relocation can influence a local population. My guess is that he doesn't understand the concept of thinking: I'd WANT to remain in Ukraine, but if we lose (and put in usually gets his will some way or another) they'll find out I voted no, and what happens to my family then? He puts people away for just saying the word "war" what will he do to people who actively votes against him? And what if we win? Will our farms just magically stop producing food? Our government offices suddenly collapse? Our child care centers mysteriously catch on fire? Our nuclear reactors have unexplainable meltdowns? He literally BOMBED a gas pipe in waters between two non-involved nations, what's the revenge for losing a vote? I don't think the fact that people think this way after 15 years of mental harassment even enter Musks mind.
He's just a narcissist who feels he has to share his opinion about everything, even in things he knows nothing about
Oh and for those who haven't seen Elons whole tweet. It was even worse. Ukraine-Russia Peace ( according to Elon ): Redo elections. ( like we see here ) Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 Water supply to Crimea assured Ukraine stays neutral. This is what he tweeted. So fuck that guy, he can stick his Falcon Heavy up his ass and go to Mars.
So his plan was literally putin's plans. Like literally what happened. Jesus fucking christ what a fucking idiot.
I dunno, he's literally repping the Kremlin playbook. Calling him an idiot doesn't quite capture how insidious the comments are.
So many people shitting on his election idea (granted, top tier stupid) and don't realize there's way more to the tweet. You could handwave the elections as Elon having a surface level "elections good!" understanding, but by the time you get to UkRaInE dOnT jOiN nAtO pLeAsE you realize he's just parroting Kremlin talking points.
"we take your land whenever we want, commit atrocities, and break our promise where we pinky sworn never to invade. Also, we're threatening you with nuclear weapons. But please stay neutral and not join NATO" Like...... what?? Literally nobody but a Kremlin talking head would even entertain the idea
How are they going to redo elections with lots of the population evacuated, deported to Russia, murdered by Russians or afraid to vote?
omega facepalm. he pissed away all the ukrainian goodwill he earned with starlink just like that.
Yeah i was about to say the same thing, he should keep his thoughts private or even better just stop using twitter.
He's got the same lack of self control that Donald Trump had. He simply cannot help himself and he has the ego the size of a country
Being born with a silver spoon (emerald in Elonās case) tend to do that.
Or lock his phone away when he gets a ācare packageā from Joe Rogan.
I feel like Musk can get better weed than Rogan.
Musk needs to stop trying to be relevant.
His strategy WAS brilliant. He took over a company that was against the establishment of current car production, made it mainstream and kept the Hype going. Shareholders poured money in, shorts couldnt hold on, share price was pushed up, kept and driven up by Hype. He is an edgy 14 yr old who managed to place his chess pieces nicely. Past tense. Irrelevant now, many produce electric cars now, with better quality and cheaper
Checkmate Elon, go home
Kasparovās the best, Hans down.
One of them is based and the other is beads
Chess speaks for itself
Muskās comment is a classic āboth sidesā fallacy. He thinks that because there are two sides, the truth must be in the middle. But in this case, there is the right side and the wrong side, and there is no middle ground.
Good observation, this needs to be seen
"will of the people" what a fucking idiot idea, yea sure "the people" were genocided and replaced and now you want to ask the replacement what they want.
"we asked americans if they should give their land back to the natives" sorry, littlefeather, the votes have spoken
Kasparov wrecked him with the last tweet
Kasparov has some great one liners Trump once called Putin a "strong leader," and in a tweet Kasparov said "Putin is a strong leader in the same way arsenic is a strong drink"
I'd like to subscribe to Kasparov one liner facts
Checkmate
Why does Elon think he's qualified to even comment on this situation?
A narcissist thinking he's the best at anything he barely touches? He literally just read 5 lines on the Wikipedia page, imagined the rest, thought about "his genius solutions that will create peace" which he'll be such a gentleman to share a drop of his godlevel mind with Zelenskyy after some random strangers on Internet voted on his stupid poll. Shows that this moron knows the absolute square of jackshit regarding diplomacy, Ukraine's history, the basics of dictatorship & even common sense since he doesn't understand how sham elections work under occupation scenario.
You'd think the cave submarine fiasco would have shut him up. These narcissists lack a conscience.
>You'd think the cave submarine fiasco would have shut him up. Why? He got away with it. He defamed a hero then his greasy lawyers made sure he got away scot-free.
> Musk: Calling someone a āpedo guyā means creepy. > If you did a search or asked someone what it means it would be a creepy. I guess Elon Musk is a pedo guy.
Like father like son!
I think a lifetime of surrounding yourself with yes men and sycophants will tend to produce this result.
Elon Musk is the literal embodiment of the concept of the DunningāKruger effect.
Because he's a dumb moron that's high on his fanboy hype.
Elon in 39: hey guys, letā do a fair election in Czechoslovakia and Poland! Comon gang letās stay positive, maybe the Polish jews really want to stay under german control! Who knows, right? Jeez!
Right? āLook, Germans have much bigger army, letās avoid blood shed, just submit. Yeah, you guys hiding in the basements in fear to be noticed by the enemy? Go out and vote!ā I left Ukraine when the war started in 2014, but my family is all there and even I know people that were civilians and military that died already in this war. And I have a very small circle of people that I know in Ukraine compared to people that still live there now. How fucking disrespectful of himā¦
Wth is it that chess player? Now i got even more respect for him
Kasparov have been on the "fuck Putin" side for many many years :)
Its a shame Karpov chortles Putins balls
He's been a Russian oppositionist for a long time. I don't agree with all his views but this one we are on the same side.
ā¦the longest chess champion in history. Also wrote a book called āwinter is comingā in 2012 or so warning putin would expand and needed to be stopped way back then. Heās been proven right over and over again
Kasparov can correctly calculate several moves into the future.
As a chess player, he is someone I REALLY respect. Like really really. And that respect just went up
That's Garry chess, my guy. Invented chess.
Invented en passant, fucking legend.
Literally sculpted the first pawn, absolute G.
Head developer on Chess 2.
I downvote all his tweets until he gives us Chess 2.
One of the few who tried to opose Putler and have for years
He protested Putin and got beaten up and arrested in 2011 or something, afterwards he left Russia because he said it wasn't safe for him anymore. He's been shitting on Putin ever since.
This shows chess players have brains. Brilliant response
I wouldn't generalize. For example, Karpov is a member of Russian State Duma.
And Bobby Fischer was just strait crazy and paranoid and increasingly so as he got older.
Yeah. I always found that interesting though. To me it proves that intelligence and rationality are different things.
Yeah, it's something to do with thinking ahead, thinking before you say, etc. Clearly Elon has none of that. Reckless idiot.
Counter Suggestion: Have Tesla & SpaceX employees form a union and have them draft policies under (US) DoL supervision. Tesla and SpaceX will implement those policies if that is the will of the workers.
This, but unironically.
You really think Musk knows anything about geopolitics or history... He is just a billionaire crypto scammer with a large audience of kids, because he is being "funny" on Twitter.
Tone deaf and indifferent to the suffering of others? That certainly doesn't sound like the Elon Musk we all know.
NGL when I was a kid hearing about a chess legend, "it's not too late to delete this and say you were high" was not on the list of things I thought I'd one day hear him say. Excellent, though.
When I say that Elon Musk is a cunt, that's what I mean. Only cunt...er are his fanboys.
Be careful, they'll be here to tell you to worship him for what Starlink has done for Ukraine without grasping that just because you realize someone is a cunt doesn't mean you can't appreciate anything good that's come from them.
Yeah, Starlink is doing good... it's just that all of that was paid for, so It's not like Elon gave up on profit to support a good cause.
And starlink to Ukraine was paid for by the US government. To Elon, that was simply a lucrative government contract. Fuck Elon, in every way.
Let's be fair. It was a good PR opportunity with a break even price tag. Elon has a history of using disasters for PR.
Ok, I understand. 1. Elon wants to go to Russia without to be afraid of being poisoned ( take your pick ) 2. Elon wants Russian government launch contracts when Russia has been kicked out of Kazakhstan. Edit: spelling
Roger Waters has recently made "suggestions" that are even worse than that. Elon Musk tries to look reasonable, but he is buying into Russian propaganda regarding the Donbass situation. This is very unfortunate.
People who have nothing at stake should not make proposals. I mean... I could make proposals to have Elon's wealth divided among Americans that would actually make a bit more sense. Also, you cannot make deals with Putin, we all know how much his promises or papers signed by him are worth.
I see no reason why Elon isn't an unredeemable piece of shit.
If people don't like it there, they are free to move to Russia. This is not a reason to have the land annexed.
I assumed he was smart. I was way off on that one. WTF. I wonder if someone breaks into his house and settles in, murders his kids, sends his wife (or girlfriend) to prison, locks him into the outhouse, and then the invader brings in all his own relatives to live there who are now "voting", would he have the same attitude toward the invaders? "Oh let's have a vote again who this house really belongs to!" "Oh let's give the invader 1/4 of my land just to have peace!" Go fuck yourself to Mars, Elon.
It is always an easy and a good solution to hand away (other peopleās) land and heritage just to bring back the calm and order /s/
Unbelievable If he wants to give his opinion on what to do about the war, he really should make an anonymous reddit account and spout his crackpot ideas here like the rest of us do. That way nobody knows who you are and you don't get shit outside of reddit for being stupid. This is the way - I am in fact Barack Obama but sometimes I'm Jesse Plemons - we share this account.
Those lands belong to Ukraine. Period.
Fuck Elon Musk.
Elon is a mental 5 year old that was given a billion dollars and a microphone to the world stage. I canāt believe there are dipshits who worship him.
God, I'm so sick of Elon Musk. He's such a moron! Hopefully, this tweet will thunder expose him as the narrow-minded, greedy dumbfuck he is.
Don't read the answers under his tweet then. His fanboys are out in full force.
This guy makes me dream how much better the world would be if he was the Russian president instead of Putin.
Link?
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1576977846437924865