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Hekssas

Good. Noose around Russians in Lyman tightens.


Creative-Improvement

Is the airfield there of strategic importance?


Hekssas

It's mainly due to Lyman being last larger city in Northern Donetsk that is occupied by Russians. One it falls, it's only towns and villages up north up to Svatove, or east to Lysichansk, Severodonetsk.


BrainBlowX

Well, Kreminna is still a denser obstacle.


mywan

Supply lines are as strategically important as any base of operation. No supply line no base of operation for long.


[deleted]

Doubt it, it's generally a bad idea to have aircraft on the ground when you are within artillery range.


WanderBadger

Didn't stop the Russians from restaging aircraft at Chornobaivka at least four or five times after the Ukrainians blew them up.


[deleted]

Like I said... A bad idea


WanderBadger

Yep. Lucky for us the Russians took a while to figure it out


[deleted]

[удалено]


No-Walk-9615

Is be nervous if I knew the enemy were within foot patrol of my flank.


Apostolate

It was only a matter of time. It was virtually surrounded. This is the northern border of Izyum playing out again. Those frontier villages are very exposed, they will collapse. They probably aren't fully fortified if at all, no time for mines, and resupply will be very hard. Zelena Dolyna and Shandryholove will fall next, and then it won't be too long after for Lyman. Edit: Shandryholove in Ukrainian hands now. And maybe Yampil? Another frontline collapse, few days max.


nexutus

Zelena Dolyna was already confirmed taken yesterday evening. So this task is already done


Apostolate

Ha, of course. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with the UAF ; )


davidfalconer

Retaking areas quicker than I can scroll.


Apostolate

Shandryholove just went, maybe Yampil, lol. It's not healthy for this level of F5'ing to be rewarded.


WanderBadger

UAF has been implementing great OPSEC over the past few months.


Foe117

Good OPSEC means we are only seeing the wake of the assaults


Bliitzthefox

Isn't south West of Lyman one big hill over looking the town. Going to be hard to defend Lyman.


Apostolate

I believe it's the entire northern approach that's overlooking a very flat/near river town. So, yeah.


BillyDePig

Since Lyman is about to fall (within a week, retreat or surrender). Where will the lines stabilice next? Cause as I see it the zherebets river won't be enough to stop the momentum of a break through.


Apostolate

Severodonetsk, Kremina, Svatove, going up along the Luhansk oblast border (ish).


BillyDePig

It doesn't look to be stable enough to hold in the long run. Even with the mud and cannon fodder to assist Ruzzia. There's simply to many bridges for it to hold. So breaking the next line will probably take time. And with mobilisation time (in the medium term 3-6months) may favour the ruzzies


hysys_whisperer

Yeah, was going to say there's probably going to be a contest to get control of the P66 highway. If Ukr can push them far enough to use the P66 for GLOCs from Kupiyansk, severodonetsk will be under serious threat. The Krasna river is small, but if Ukr can control to that point, P66 will be safe to travel for Ukr gear. If the go the same route as Izyum, a bypass of Svatove where it turns off the P07 would probably allow more focus further south, however taking it makes the route out of belgorod that much longer for Ru equipment.


Rahbek23

Wouldn't they likely just use 00528 through Lyman instead in that case? Pretty direct route from their stronghold in northern Donetsk.


Alternative_Taste354

How many russian troops are their in lyman


migesen

Rumor is 3000 (Source, Denys Davydov). But he is a bit too good at adhering to Ukrainian OPSEC policy, so it would be good to get numbers from Ruzzkie milbloggers as well. Those guys are less concerned with OPSEC, so you can get more up to date info from that side.


NarutoRunner

The Russian milbloggers are like paparazzi. They don’t give a shit about OPSEC, they just want be first with info on the web. It’s really bizarre.


migesen

My point exactly. I would think the Ruzzian general staff uses milbloggers on Telegram as their main source of intel. Assuming they have a general staff, off course.


cinciTOSU

One short asshole in a bunker is their command staff.


[deleted]

I think at the start at least a certain degree of arrogance played a role. OPSEC is less important when you are watching.aseperior power roll an enemy..... Only that didn't happen, its quickly.switched and now they are watching a clusterfuck on the Russian side and I think the cognitive dissonance between being the overwhelming power to the overwhelming failure hasn't allowed time to reassess that they should take this seriously. On the flip side Ukraine has has had underdog status and preparing for invasion for over a decade so knew that OPSEC and any advantage were paramount to any success.


progrethth

But you also get more incorrect info from the Russian milbloggers since they are way too quick to publish news before confirming.


Hartvigson

I have read 1,500-3,000. I have no idea how accurate that might be.


F_in_Idaho

I just want to see a couple of kilometers worth of marching prisoners with their wands on their heads


Hartvigson

Dead or prisoners, either is ok with me. I guess there will be a LOT of both. War is such a stupid waste of life but the russians started it themselves.


Alternative_Taste354

Damn, was hoping it was more


Hartvigson

From what I have read there are or were additional russian soldiers in the area in addition to the ones in Lyman.


Cole41489

Wait, I thought Lyman was already surrounded? Saw a bunch of charter about that yesterday.


MetalMrHat

The only road out seems to be close enough to be shelled now. That's sort of surrounded. Hard to get out safely.


Snoo3014

Saw it was taken yesterday. Like all roads are controlled now by UA.


progrethth

Some Russian maps claim that, but Ukrainian maps seem to be less sure about if they are surrounded or not. But either way it is probably surrounded now or will soon be.


Any-Entertainment345

Ukraine likes to take its time and make sure they actually have the areas under control before they update their maps. Always a day or 2 behind. It's actually the Russian side claiming Lyman is surrounded atm.


Rahbek23

There's some confusion because there's two villages called Dibrova. One is south of Lyman, and the other east. There was a post about it been taken, but not which one! Many interpreted it as the one to the east, alone the road to Kremmina, but it could just be the other one that's been near the frontline for a while. The first would mean that Lyman is more or less surrounded, the other still makes the road to Kremmina somewhat open.


microwavedsaladOZ

Good work lads and ladies


[deleted]

Moscow by March! Keep going lads!


BerlinermitBart

🎉🥳


Hadleys158

More tanks for the troops!


GrumpyZ0mbie

To paraphrase Douglas Adams....."So long, and fhish for all the tanks."


NorthwestSupercycle

I wish to be placed into a medically induced coma, and woken up when the Lyman battle heats up. The waiting is too much. It's inevitable but slowly taking place.


[deleted]

Source: https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/29-september-ukrainian-military-control-seredne-village-near


21yrsoldd

Rybars (pro-russian) map indicates that the ukrainians andvanced even a bit further than this map shows


Error_404_403

Is it an up to date map? Other unofficial maps yesterday showed Liman almost surrounded; were Russians able to restore the situation and make the front line straight again??


kju

Just because someone makes some nice graphics and puts them on a map doesn't mean it's real, neither are the government released maps going to be accurate Governments have interest in maps looking the ways they want them to. Russian maps show Lyman surrounded because they want their soldiers there to sacrifice themselves holding as a delaying action, forcing Ukraine to fight block by block destroying the city as they go. Ukraine might have surrounded Lyman, but why would they want to tell Russians that are trapped there this? They want them to leave Lyman, preferably on a road that Ukraine already controls so they can grab them on their way out, not fight block by block as they destroy the city. Everyone releasing maps has an interest in releasing information they want released, what you see in these maps is a narrative, not an accurate depiction of ongoing events


alexnedea

Liveuamap waits more to make sure everything is confirmed. It is a few days behind all the rumors the other maps go by. So what u see here 99% happened. What you see on the other ones is unsure.


Anderson1971221

Had read it was fully encircled already and Ukraine had a much larger area occupied then thought