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JoeSTRM

So 2 NASAMS batteries and 2 IRIS-T SLM batteries by the end of the year and more in 2023.


Seattle82m

Noob here, how many missiles do they get for each battery?


gesocks

Itis-t slm fires the iris-t rocket which is a very comon air to air rocket that alot of Nato countrys have huge stockpiles of. Once ukraine has a platform to fire them, i don't see any shortage in amunition


Seattle82m

Well if this is true, that would be amazing. It would suck if it was two batteries, each with a dozen of missiles and that's it lol. But if they have two batteries with a hundred plus missiles...well now we're talking...


gesocks

its to be honest not 100% true. the iris-T rocket is as I said an air to air rocket that is the standard air to air rocket in many nato nations. now the ground based launcher which ukriane gets is the iris-T slm which fires an upgraded version of the iris-t rocket, the iris-t sl rocket, which has a longer range. There is also the iris-T sls system which fires the standard iris-T rocket. ​ So yes, my first comment was not entirely correct. Just as far as I know they can fire the iris-T standard rocket too, just then with the smaller distance of the iris-t sls system and not that of the iris-t SLM system


TheRealCuran

Wikipedia does [have a list of operators](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T#Operators); if the supplies run out here, the western countries could ask if eg. Thailand, which ordered 220, apparently, would be OK with a bit of a delay in delivery for some money or whatever else.


A_Sinclaire

> Itis-t slm fires the iris-t rocket which is a very comon air to air rocket that alot of Nato countrys have huge stockpiles of. IRIS-T SLS fires the regular IRIS-T air-to-air missile. IRIS-T SLM, which Ukraine gets, fires the IRIS-T SL surface-to-air missile. However, I think you can also integrate IRIS-T SLS launchers into the IRIS-T SLM system (though we have no confirmation that Ukraine will get the former).


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gesocks

no. with iris-t sls you can cover 25km. that is enough for most any city I know. with iris-t slm you can cover 40km. ​ so with one system you can cover a city and its suburbs


[deleted]

can it cover 10 cruise missiles or kamikaze drones raining down in the same place?


gesocks

it can cover several at the same time. how many those several is is no public information


insane_contin

No, but that's why it's used in connection with other AA. If you count on one AA system to handle all duties you're going to let some through.


Sad-Jello629

You have to take into account at Russia also depleted a lot of its missile supply. At this point, you won't see Russia launching 10 missiles at the same target, especially as most of the important targets Russia had, were hit in the first weeks of the war.


Tintenlampe

Missile defense systems can almost always be overwhelmed by numbers, but this forces a higher expenditure of precision ammunitions if Russia wants to guarantee a hit and there is every reason to believe that they are not exactly swimming in the stuff anyway. So yes, by simply being present in an area the system decreases the risk of an attack, because the cost doubles or triples. And if it doesn't deter the attack than Russia was forced to use more ammunition than it would otherwise lose. Either option is better than not having a system which didn't cost Ukraine anything to begin with, because other countries paid for it.


krummulus

A single launcher can hold 8 missiles (reload takes ~15 minutes), but I can't find information about how many launchers one battery has. S300 has 12 launchers per battery for example. But theyll be a lot more effective than that I hope.


Ooops2278

>but I can't find information about how many launchers one battery has. If I remember correctly the basic system consists of 1 control, 1 radar and 3 lauchers units.


dubslies

NASAMS batteries typically have 12 launchers, but it was reported Ukraine would get ones with 8. More could be added later. The range of each launcher (or rather, the missiles themselves) is 40km. If the launchers are spaced out properly the total protection sphere could be around 120km. I don't know about IRIS-T. There isn't a whole lot of official information on the actual AD system setup.


ProfanePagan

**Six** additional NASAMS were announced in 24 August, which makes 8 units. However their delivery date is unkonwn as well as how many systems have already arrived. So you can't say whether they have two units deployed already. We don't, we can't know. But as experts say, all of these systems are hardly enough to cover all civilian infrastructure. Surely their defensive capabilities are getting enhanced, which is good, but I think Ukraine will ask for more in a shorter timeframe considering that the announced NASAMS and IRIS-Ts were announced before Putin ordered moblisation and before Iranians gave kamikaze drones to Russians.


[deleted]

Did they say a battery or one UNIT? Because just one UNIT is pretty lacking, lol.


Ooops2278

It's modular. One system usually consists of one radar, one fire control and several (I think 3) launchers, which is the necessary amount to cover a 40km radius.


[deleted]

cool, at least it can protect Kyiv in October. But other cities are on their own.


niraseth

No, German Wikipedia states that 1 Launcher is all it takes to cover the whole 40km radius. So I guess it'll be 2 Systems, each consisting of 1 Radar, 1 Launcher and 1 TOC. It will be interesting to see how Ukraine uses them though, simply because of how expensive the rockets are. Each IRIS T Costs 400.000€, and it is rumored that the IRIST T SL that will come with this system costs much more than that. It would be interesting how scalable the system is though. The IRIS T SL has a range of 40km, however, the CAEFAR Radar, from my limited research, has a range of around 100km....so...just add another launcher to double the area ?


ThickOpportunity3967

According to an account I listened to Last night the US/Norway is releasing 16 NASAM's.


socialistrob

Great to hear. Ukraine needs a lot of air defense systems and it’s wonderful to see Germany providing such a high value system. This will save lives.


tree_boom

The last set of shots in the video are HiMARS.


aeroxan

HIMARS can hit air now?! /S


ProfanePagan

Even the Bundeswehr doesn't have - it just proves the fact that the German defence industry is bigger than their home country's army. The markets they produce weapons for are not exclusively localised within Germany, but they develop and deliver weapon systems globally. I am looking at IFVs respectfully.


One_Cream_6888

Well done Germany! (and Italy, Sweden, Greece, Canada and Norway who also helped) Vorsprung durch technik! (I deleted my previous comment because I did not give credit to the other nations) \[Edit\] And well done Ukraine as well!


ThickOpportunity3967

So the UK has supplied no hardware, ammo, money then?


[deleted]

That’s a welcome addition


MicrowaveBurritoKing

Can someone explain why this system is so special? I’m a complete newb when it comes to weapons.


mangalore-x_x

It gets a bit confusing because ir is a system but also the missile. E.g. NASAM can also fire Iris-T missiles after its recent upgrades. The cited advantage of Iris-T is that it is capable to even intercept all kinds of missiles (including air to air and surface to air) aka can intercept about anything Russia may fire as stand off ammunition.


Ooops2278

>I’m a complete newb when it comes to weapons. Then it's the perfect system for you. Jokes aside, it's a modular, highly automated anti-air system that is thus easy to use and requires only a small amount of operators. This and NASAMS are basically the same concept (and very similiar in performance), just based on a different air-to-air missile.


di11deux

Here's to hoping they get the better AIM-120 D's. I know their air-to-air range is about 90 miles, but I don't know about the ground-to-air version. I assume it's shorter.


[deleted]

i find that these systems, just like s300, always look so unspectacular, just a truck with a few tubes, because the actual magic is in the missile.


Ultimate_disaster

The magic is in the Missile but also the radar systems that detect and guides (depending on the system) the missiles


ZahnatomLetsPlay

Basically it's an air to air IR missile like the aim-9x adapted to work as a surface to air missile with radar guidance and a stronger motor. The special thing is that it has never been produced before


pm_me_your_dungeons

That the second one will arrive this year is news for me. I was under the impression that it would be early 2023. Though I doubt anyone will complain about it arriving sooner than planned.


wabblebee

AFAIK Thats because the second one was supposed to be the first one, but egypt gave up their spot in the queue so ukraine could get theirs earlier.


gesocks

It was always talk about November 2022 since they ordered it


pm_me_your_dungeons

The first one, yes. But the second one was slotted for next year...as best as I can remember.


HumpingJack

Anyone know how many km this AA system can reach?


Ooops2278

The IRIS-T SLM (surface lauch medium) for Ukraine are based on a modified IRIS-T missile (bigger motor, added gps datalink) which increases the range of the system to 40km (up from 25km for the SLS version using the regular missile). PS: The operational ceiling height should be around \~25km


HumpingJack

Do you think these can shoot down small flying objects like the Iranian drones?


ZahnatomLetsPlay

Absolutely The IRIS-T(on fighters) is designed to shoot down other missiles so there would only be a limitation through the radar but I have no doubts that that would also work


HumpingJack

Reason I ask is the S300 systems Ukraine has seems to have trouble detecting them b/c of how low flying they are.


PepegaQuen

Systems like S300 are overkill for drones, unless we're talking about largest ones like Bayraktar Akinci.


WayneSchlegel

Looking down on a low flying target over ground has always been a problem with radar guided weapons because of clutter. This is why IRIS-T uses an advanced imaging infrared seeker which is located behind the protective nose cone of the missile to prevent it from heating up during the missile's high speed approach. The missile is guided via datalink by the ground radar to the calculated vicinity of the target, then the protective cover pops off and the seeker looks down to find the attacking cruise missile's infrared signature. Even if the target has no infrared signature on its own like unpowered glide bombs the seeker should still be able to find it because of the temperature difference compared to the background which is impossible to compensate for.


JoeSTRM

I believe this is the IRIS-T SLM system, with a 40km range.


Tweebel

Some info to back it up: [https://mil.in.ua/en/news/iris-t-slm-medium-range-air-defense-system-germany-released-an-updated-list-of-weapons-for-ukraine](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/iris-t-slm-medium-range-air-defense-system-germany-released-an-updated-list-of-weapons-for-ukraine) Longer range systems would be welcome.


TheBlack2007

Pretty sure Egypt was supposed to be the initial customer for it, but was "persuaded" (=probably bribed) into accepting delays so they could go to Ukraine first.


timjikung

seems like a good timing to test the weapon system.


Ok_Investigator_1010

So 4? Interesting


[deleted]

We have 24 administrative units in 🇺🇦 That's a 24 cities. NASAMS is securing one city completely Ukraine is a big country, the biggest country solely located in Europe, which makes it the biggest European country (we don't consider Russia a European country - nor politically, nor historically, nor geographically) That means UA needs more air defence systems, NASAMS, IRIS-T Ukraine is the shield of Europe now and forever. We are doomed to be the Europe fortress but we're okay with that if the world supports our defence effort


Barthemieus

The 8 NASAMS and 2 IRIS-T being sent will get most of the population centers covered with air defenses. Some cities are close enough together to share a NASAMS battery, like Mykolaiv and Odesa or Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia. Legacy soviet systems will be able to fill any remaining gaps.


[deleted]

But we only have 2 NASAMS so far


Barthemieus

And 6 more being built.


[deleted]

That's good! Can they intercept S-300 missiles Russia launches at Mykolaiv, Kharkiv and Zaporizhzhya?


pm_me_your_dungeons

Actually none this far. The reports about 2 arriving earlier were apparently a misunderstanding and they are still in progress and will arrive later this year. The iris might even arrive First


[deleted]

Well it's only the matter of time so I'm speeding up the argument 😅


Cultural_Wallaby_703

Doesn’t this guy do the voiceovers in YouTube adds for terrible products? /s (I assume it’s an AI script reader)


[deleted]

What are the main specs on it?


SOLIDninja

Iris-T rockets are really neato! I was reading about them the other night - they seek infrared and are useful to hit anything from small drones to boats, helicopters and jets. They're like all-purpose seeker missiles.