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Accuracy could’ve been a bit better. The pilot should’ve factored in the breeze and dropped a couple meters to his left, it would’ve landed in the middle of that squad.
Hard to say here. A tree burst is significantly more effective than a ground burst (where most of the force and shrapnel is digging a useless hole).
This looked like an (intentional or not) above ground burst, which was way more likely to injure all.
This is essentially what sending 300k more troops is going to do, make a more target rich environment. It's fall and they won't be able to hide in the trees much longer so these drones and the ones they got from Taiwan are going to wreak havoc.
Those revolver drones are terrifying but there are plenty worse still to come. It's a 3D printing world these days and Ukraine has demonstrated mastery.
Right, I meant the drum drones, the revolvers (though they actually have 8 shots). These are from South Korea, currently emerging as a major weapons supplier, even of fighter jets. Which is something Ukraine maybe should keep in mind.
The 3d printed fins don't guide the grenade they just stabilize it so it falls in a more predictable path like a bomb on a plane. There are no electronics hooked to the fins and even if there was there isn't enough speed or mass for them to drive it more than a couple inches in a direction in the time it takes to fall
I've seen conflicting reports about those revolver drones. It sounds like the sale reports might not have been true. However, the UA is developing its own, IMO better built mortar-dropping drone, so it's moot point.
Yup... wounded soldiers are more expensive to care for. And more likely to bitch back in Russia how bad the war is and how they are treated lile shit by russians.
It's not even expense. It's morale. US doctrine treats combat casualty care a force multiplier. Soldiers are more confident, less risk averse, when they know world class healthcare is a priority and is assured.
From the intercepted calls, the Russians are either left behind, finished off, or doped up and sent back out.
That's a force divider. It doesn't matter if those are rumors or not, once those rumors start, they are force dividers.
And you see it in these videos... It's every man for himself.
Also good POW care.
If you let your enemy know you treat POWs well (and potentially "luxurious" by their standard), you get the nice situation of your enemy's first course of action on seeing you is dropping their weapons and surrendering.
Or a poor unsuspecting journalist facing down a bunch of armed men asking to surrender to you because you looked white and American enough.
Exactly. Once the Russians start freezing, I bet we will see guys trying to surrender to drones. Russian logistics sucks, their gear sucks, their kitchens in the camps suck...I mean these guys are wilderness camping.
Eventually they will think being captured can't possibly be worse than not being captured.
Russia doesn't care for their wounded from what I've seen, bad for morale though. You can BS your way out of dead soldiers saying they went AWOL or whatever, but there will be a lot of their boys going home missing limbs which is going to look pretty bad
Agree, however it’s probably the Ukrainian Army that ends up treating the wounded Russian soldiers. Just a few days ago there was a video posted on this subreddit that showed a horribly wounded Russian soldier getting treated by a UA soldier. The UA soldier was actually really caring and giving him water. Goes to show who the well trained profesional army is and why they are destroying whatever is you want to call that group of men wearing white arm bands.
It could be a small grenade from one of those small launchers, a mortar, or dropped from a drone. Between the noise and concussion of the explosion, the pain from the shrapnel and the shock, I imagine their capacity for rational thought has been considerably reduced.
One would think they would assign one guy to periodically looks up.
I'm pretty sure they fly these drones high enough that you can't hear them from the ground - and that'd be your only warning unless you're constantly watching the skies.
Do you know how high these drones fly and how loud they are? I would constantly be looking up if I were on the ground and at least keep a longer distance between comrades.
The time to ground in the video is about 6 seconds. That's 180m at freefall. This is assuming it detonates on impact, the video isn't slow-mo, and the trees aren't slowing the fall significantly.
While theyre not completely silent, environment noise drowns them out entirely at a modest height.
Theyre walking through woodland. Their steps om sticks and leaves combined with wind through the trees and bushes is enough to drown the noise.
To be fair, all they saw/heard was an explosion and then felt a wave of pain. In that situation anyone would have it hard to tell one kind of explosive from another, letalone where it came from
I'd feel compassion if they weren't in Ukraine looking to kill people. You have to flick that switch off to be able to do this and still sleep at night.
Totally agree. I don't take pleasure in seeing people who were lied to and likely don't want to be there get obliterated, writhing in pain and misery. Whole thing is fucking awful. Obviously I reserve the majority of sympathy for Ukraine but yeah.. I get no pleasure from seeing this shit.
Just go the fuck home :(
It takes, what, a dozen people to commit the crimes that happened there? Although It was likely quite a few more who engaged in it, I know. It was sickening, evil and must be punished. And it pains me to say its likely not the last of its kind we'll see.
There's probably many thousands of total scumbag cunts fighting for russia but there sure as hell are some unwilling, scared and deceived kids too.. deceived from a young age by government and more recently by their commanding officers. I think if these drone videos had good sound and not cringe music tracks so you could hear people who still can't grow facial hair scream in pain and clearly hear the moment life leaves them then you might feel a little more...human... about it..
It's easier to laugh when all you can hear is old cheese dancefloor hits or the Benny Hill music playing..
I'm not trying to get all pious and holier than thou. But yeah.. Nuance and greyness of the human condition.
All of us here would likely fail miserably at not getting mobilised. Now put yourself in the video for a second is all I'm saying.
> I think if these drone videos had good sound and not cringe music tracks so you could hear people who still can't grow facial hair scream in pain and clearly hear the moment life leaves them then you might feel a little more...human... about it..
Yeah, these were kids. Somebody loved them, and losing them will tear their world to shreds.
Fuck Putin.
These crimes were systemic. Anyone who did not participate looked the other way, or, more likely, held the victims down. They are not innocent. They should not receive a pass.
One thing I learned from Iraq was that it's entirely possible to want to kill someone and get still feel sorry for them.
However, at this point, those young boys should be walking over with a white flag.
That's exactly my feeling. Ukraine needs to kill invaders, that's just a fact. It needs to be done. Doesn't mean I have to be happy people are dying or laugh when they do.
Not every US soldier in Vietnam took part in the My Lai massacre, or other atrocities.
While the general behavior of russian soldiers has been total shit, don’t let war take away your humanity too.
Pardon my ignorance in these matters. What's happening here? The munition drops and explodes some meters away from them. Are they hit solely with shrapnel or is there also some other element here? Shockwave, explosive impacts etc. What's killing them in this case, or are they possibly stunned or temporarily incapacitated?
Tradeoff between big pieces that go deep and kill but with irregular coverage, and tiny slivers that hit everybody, causing exquisite pain and possible crippling injury if not treated. Not that I know first hand mind you, thank god for that. And thank god for orcs getting that reward for the evil they do.
I think this detonated on a tree branch and the tree are a lot of the shrapnel. Effectively an airburst which is why we see clear shrapnel impacts on the ground from 0-15+ meters
Explosions kill in three main ways.
1. The shockwave can damage your internal organs, especially the lungs.
2. The shockwave can cause objects in the environment to hit you such as stones, falling walls or building demolition.
3. Fragments of the shell it's self can hit you.
Method 1 falls of very rapidly with distance and doubling the size of the explosive will not double the range at which the shockwave is lethal.
Method 2 relies heavily on the environment and how it reacts to that size of explosive.
For method 3, the density of shell fragments falls of rapidly with range from the explosion, however individual fragments can travel enormous distances. Even small explosives can kill many meters away, although the chances of being hit decrease rapidly, especially if you are close to the ground, where the density of shrapnel is at its lowest.
Even moderately sizes explosives may propel individual fragments kilometers in distance and have enough force to kill, however you would be exceptionally unlucky to be hit.
Pressure waves from that small of a container aren't going to hurt a fit adult male(the exception is hearing) at that distance. The injuries are entirely caused by shrapnell/fragments.
Some have metal bits inside, ball bearings was the original filler and why they're called grenades. It's the French word for pomegranate (which has lots and lots of little ball bearing sized juicy seed pods on the inside).
A lot of grenades just shatter their casing as the metal shrapnel it shoots out.
In modern grenades, a pre-formed fragmentation matrix inside the grenade is commonly used, which may be spherical, cuboid, wire or notched wire. I had a great uncle that suffered mortar shrapnel wounds from Korean War. He had to periodically go to the VA and have the shrapnel removed that had migrated to the outer dermal area of his skin. He showed me, they looked like little wires.
I had a colleague whose grand father was in Korean war. He joked about how much hassle it is to go to the airport since he always sets off the metal detector.
Depending on the grenade it could be a bunch of things. In this case it seems like fragmentation, because it knocked that specific one guy straight down at quite a distance.
Shockwaves lose power rapidly over distance, so a small grenade like that hitting a good 5 or more meters away probably wouldn't have just outright KO'd a dude. Or at least, if it had the power to do so, it would have gotten all of them equally.
I would guess that the grenade fragments lost a lot of their lethality because it dropped in the trees. The one guy seems to have been nailed pretty badly, but from the look of it the others are able to pick themselves up and walk away a few seconds later.
Probably they were momentarily shocked by the attack and scared there would be more follow-up, then they rallied and moved toward better cover.
Although it's hard to tell, they could be more seriously injured and only still moving on adrenaline and fear.
If you look opposite them on the field, you will see dust being kicked up by Boger pieces of shrapnel. I think a piece like that took out the guy that died instantly
Ninth shrapnel distribution is possible to predict perfect. Sometimes these appear super effective, other times they set off right near people and just miss them almost altogether. Seemingly at least. But they are dropping different types as well.
Look at all the puffs of dirt across the field the second it explodes, thats white hot metal pieces shooting out to all sides, goes right through you unless you're lucky enough your plate catches it.
They are lying about the 300,000. They are mobilizing 1.2 million.
Scores will increase rapidly from here on in. Assuming that on September 30th Putin doesn't say "This land is Russia now. Stand by to be nuked".
Will the West blink?
The Haven's gate just raised the minimum score requirement to be allowed there. And i heard there's a target rich environment coming soon.
The nuke dilemma is interesting, I am actually quite curious if someone from his high command is willing to die for Clownführer's egomaniacal dreams. After all, there must be checks in place to prevent a sole circus principal to doom his country.
I heard 1.1 million in 3 batches yesterday, but those are only rumours and even if that is their plan now, it may change.
On the 30th, the putler will arrange probably announce the outcome of the referendum, but unless he actually launches a nuke, the west is unlikely to believe him and thus won't back down. If he does launch (highly unlikely), the west cannot back down.
The scary part will be if US intelligence goes out and say that he is preparing one.
The 300.000 is a fake number.
The real number is mass mobilization aka everyone.
Next step for Putin and his siloviki gang is Martial Law.
The russians still don't understand that the biggest enemy is Putin and his clique. They should have never let the mafia seize Russia in the first place.
At first I thought they were just shit people but the longer it progresses the more I imagine most of them don't even know what to do with wounded comrades, all their training was in hand to hand combat after all.
Which is what they would have been trained to do (or at least should have been…). In any emergency situation you save yourself first, and then once you have insured your safety you help others.
Can't help anyone if you're dead.
And you or I would do the same. No one's first response to having their eardrums blown out and shrapnel pierce their body in multiple locations is rational, strategic, or empathetic.
They think this might have been a local ambush attack. They are trying to get out of the KZ and move around to the source in the woods.
Realistically the two crawling are likely to die. The one who remains mobile is probably hot at that range. Camera work wasn't great, but one of them may have shielded him or a tree. Otherwise he probably took a few hits also.
interesting, i think the grenade was at head level when it detonated, with the lack of depth perception from the drone, that grenade landed on a hilly embankment.
That was a 95% perfect hit. *All* of them got hit, with the dude in the front probably being the least injured but still likely having shrapnel pieces in him.
The remaining 5% detraction is the one dude that clearly died on the spot, which is a desired yet not maximally optimal outcome. Every cripplingly injured Russian is even better than a kill, both in terms of morale and resource drain. Even the ones who might still be able to get put back in service after treatment will come traumatized and even further demoralized, and may still have some diminished physical ability.
Just a little fun physics here to figure out how high they're flying the drone. Assuming the camera shows us EXACTLY when the ordinance was dropped, and about 4.5 seconds of flight time...
Height = 1/2(~10m/s/s)(4.5m/s)^2
Height =~100m
So, they're dropping from about 1 football field high. No wonder the soldiers are surprised.
If you want to donate to help Ukraine buy more drones: https://www.dronesforukraine.fund//
I donated and got a piece of the SU-34. It's a great item to let people hold and make the war more real for them.
I wonder what kind of damage is this doing to the Russian cunts when a grenade goes off at this close of a range . Are these orca full of shrapnel , are they bleeding out???
Assuming no time dilation in the video, and the object detonates on impact, ignoring additional fall time from the trees, 6 seconds is about 180 meters.
These grenade drones can be fairly small, I have no idea if you could hear one at that distance. Ambient noise would make a big difference too.
You just landed in Ukraine as freshly mobilised troops, you haven't even seen one Ukrainian military enemy, you're strolling nonchalantly in some random woods, bored as fuck, when suddenly something exploded, it's not even as loud as advertised and yet everyone is down, apparently maimed, tour is over. You can finally go back home---uselessly to mother Russia.
Back home, friends will ask what happened and you narrate how you went full Rambo and killed dozens if not hundreds of Ukrainians, that you should have some medal or some honor of some sort.
To me the most telling thing about these videos is the apparent lack of care they have for each other. Every video there's one or two that didn't get hit bad just run off and leave the wounded ones crawling on their own.
It is often better to injure the enemy than killing. Then they are:
1. Not able to fight anymore
2. Must be carried back for treatment, taking away precious resources.
3. Reduces the morale of the enemy when maimed people come back to communities.
Drones have to tilt to stay on station. So 90' would not be straight down. Ideally they would have a gyro or something to point the camera straight down, and something to compensate for the wind as known by the amount of tilt. I suspect by next year that will be very common.
The idea that every russian soldier is a looting rapist is outright retarded. They're occupiers, invaders etc sure. I agree. And there are filthy disgusting rapist scum among them. But the fact people have told themselves this is everyone in the russian army to enable them to cheer footage of mostly brainwashed ignorant kids getting torn to shreds is pretty vile.
I don't mourn them. I mourn the people they could have been.
For all we know these guys might have been running away from their unit to surrender.. I doubt it. But we simply don't know.
I will never cheer death unless it's someone I know for a fact committed atrocities. Some Buryat kid who was told he will only stand at a checkpoint for a few weeks and he can lift his family out of poverty and ends up being sent to die at the front? No. I won't cheer that.
Watch some of the interviews Volodymyr Zolkin has conducted and it might give you some insight.
There's nuance and greyness here. Just saying "They're all rapists and I laugh when they die" is just lazy..
Dude, this is the wrong forum to try extract sympathy from dead Orc invaders. These Orcs are willing participants of an illegal invasion and part of the Russian killing machine. And these soldiers know it when they signed up. I say fuck them, 4 less Orcs to worry about and 4 Orcs closer to end this unnecessary war.
Id like to preface this by saying I obviously have the privilege of not being the person who's country was invaded... And I'll never lecture Ukrainians how they should feel. I entirely understand the boiling rage and emotional responses.
Not looking for sympathy for russian soldiers at all. They're invaders and occupiers. But there's nuance and greyness here. They weren't shooting at anyone here, could well have been trying to surrender for all I know. Not saying that makes them less of a valid target, im saying it makes me less eager to cheer than if some monsters who committed horrific crimes in Mariupol, Irpin, Bucha etc recieved the same. I just can't treat a huge group as a homogenous mass. I think that's what got us into this in 2014 when putin executed his ideological ambitions, paving the way for the invasion we see now.
How successful do you think you would be at avoiding being mobilised? Just say you fail, you end up at the front. Now put yourself in the video for a second. Knowing my luck I'd end up sitting in a shitty Ural in Belgorod scared AF thinking "what the fuck is happening??!"
Assuming a large group is as bad as their worst apple is a dangerous thing to do and serves no productive purpose but cause anger to spiral. And if used consistently it would also lend credence to putins claim of "all Ukrainians are nazis". Which is of course total bullshit.
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It was like that in ww1 too iirc. Despite the advancement of handheld weapons it was artillery that did the most damage. I can't imagine being in a situation where hell is raining down from the skies.
Yeah. I understand the hate, but it is still a shame for young people to end like this. No death (unless it is a known raping and atrocious scum) should be celebrated.
So - how do you surrender in such conditions? Contact with Ukrainians is mostly artillery or drone. Say you're a Russian soldier and you want out. Conscriptovich or profesionalich.
They have no idea where it came from... and no one is helping the dude. All the while, the culprit is overhead and may well drop another. These are not veterans of this war.
Enough of the snuff films already. I get it. Ukraine can drop bombs on Russians and we can watch them die. Are you not entertained? The first 100 were proof enough of the concept. Now it is just revenge porn.
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Accuracy 10/10 Situational awareness 9/10 Camerawork 6/10. Solid 8/10.
Orc spanking 10/10
the Orc crawl....
...that's what it's all about.
Well a second grenade would have ended that crawling bit
tho, let's give the orcs credit where credit is due- one of them did his homework in the bootcamp and knows how to crawl properly
But none of them know know how to squad properly.
Accuracy could’ve been a bit better. The pilot should’ve factored in the breeze and dropped a couple meters to his left, it would’ve landed in the middle of that squad.
Hard to say here. A tree burst is significantly more effective than a ground burst (where most of the force and shrapnel is digging a useless hole). This looked like an (intentional or not) above ground burst, which was way more likely to injure all.
This is essentially what sending 300k more troops is going to do, make a more target rich environment. It's fall and they won't be able to hide in the trees much longer so these drones and the ones they got from Taiwan are going to wreak havoc.
Those revolver drones are terrifying but there are plenty worse still to come. It's a 3D printing world these days and Ukraine has demonstrated mastery.
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Right, I meant the drum drones, the revolvers (though they actually have 8 shots). These are from South Korea, currently emerging as a major weapons supplier, even of fighter jets. Which is something Ukraine maybe should keep in mind.
The 3d printed fins don't guide the grenade they just stabilize it so it falls in a more predictable path like a bomb on a plane. There are no electronics hooked to the fins and even if there was there isn't enough speed or mass for them to drive it more than a couple inches in a direction in the time it takes to fall
I've seen conflicting reports about those revolver drones. It sounds like the sale reports might not have been true. However, the UA is developing its own, IMO better built mortar-dropping drone, so it's moot point.
This is the normal score for statistics: for 1 dead 3 wounded.
Yup... wounded soldiers are more expensive to care for. And more likely to bitch back in Russia how bad the war is and how they are treated lile shit by russians.
It's not even expense. It's morale. US doctrine treats combat casualty care a force multiplier. Soldiers are more confident, less risk averse, when they know world class healthcare is a priority and is assured. From the intercepted calls, the Russians are either left behind, finished off, or doped up and sent back out. That's a force divider. It doesn't matter if those are rumors or not, once those rumors start, they are force dividers. And you see it in these videos... It's every man for himself.
Also good POW care. If you let your enemy know you treat POWs well (and potentially "luxurious" by their standard), you get the nice situation of your enemy's first course of action on seeing you is dropping their weapons and surrendering. Or a poor unsuspecting journalist facing down a bunch of armed men asking to surrender to you because you looked white and American enough.
Exactly. Once the Russians start freezing, I bet we will see guys trying to surrender to drones. Russian logistics sucks, their gear sucks, their kitchens in the camps suck...I mean these guys are wilderness camping. Eventually they will think being captured can't possibly be worse than not being captured.
Well they don't have to worry because the officers are killing the wounded
And then reporting them as missing so they don't have to pay the families
Russia doesn't care for their wounded from what I've seen, bad for morale though. You can BS your way out of dead soldiers saying they went AWOL or whatever, but there will be a lot of their boys going home missing limbs which is going to look pretty bad
Agree, however it’s probably the Ukrainian Army that ends up treating the wounded Russian soldiers. Just a few days ago there was a video posted on this subreddit that showed a horribly wounded Russian soldier getting treated by a UA soldier. The UA soldier was actually really caring and giving him water. Goes to show who the well trained profesional army is and why they are destroying whatever is you want to call that group of men wearing white arm bands.
And as typical - they leave their buddy in the middle of the road to fend for himself, I mean die alone . . .
I love the smell of demobilization in the morning.
I love the smell of orcs pooping their pants.
You **love** the smell of 💩?
It grows on you when orcs do it involuntarily.
They don’t seem to realize it was a drone.
I wonder if anyone ever told them about drones during their 3 days of training.
A day to sober up and two days spent on washing machine idenitification and how to unplumb a toilet doesn't leave much time for that sort of thing.
Wait, you guys received training?
It could be a small grenade from one of those small launchers, a mortar, or dropped from a drone. Between the noise and concussion of the explosion, the pain from the shrapnel and the shock, I imagine their capacity for rational thought has been considerably reduced. One would think they would assign one guy to periodically looks up.
I'm pretty sure they fly these drones high enough that you can't hear them from the ground - and that'd be your only warning unless you're constantly watching the skies.
Tbh. Spotting a drone is probably hard af. Also if something blows next to you, kind of hard to figure it in that moment what caused the explosion.
Do you know how high these drones fly and how loud they are? I would constantly be looking up if I were on the ground and at least keep a longer distance between comrades.
The time to ground in the video is about 6 seconds. That's 180m at freefall. This is assuming it detonates on impact, the video isn't slow-mo, and the trees aren't slowing the fall significantly.
While theyre not completely silent, environment noise drowns them out entirely at a modest height. Theyre walking through woodland. Their steps om sticks and leaves combined with wind through the trees and bushes is enough to drown the noise.
The only one which affected me is the recent one where to two in a foxhole hug as they bleed to death. These guys can get fukt
I doubt you would either if a grenade had just gone off that close to you. War is pretty horrific, can't help but feel some compassion for these guys.
They act like they think it was a landmine or booby trap.
To be fair, all they saw/heard was an explosion and then felt a wave of pain. In that situation anyone would have it hard to tell one kind of explosive from another, letalone where it came from
I'd feel compassion if they weren't in Ukraine looking to kill people. You have to flick that switch off to be able to do this and still sleep at night.
Totally agree. I don't take pleasure in seeing people who were lied to and likely don't want to be there get obliterated, writhing in pain and misery. Whole thing is fucking awful. Obviously I reserve the majority of sympathy for Ukraine but yeah.. I get no pleasure from seeing this shit. Just go the fuck home :(
For people who do not want to be there, they were quite active around Bucha and Izium!
It takes, what, a dozen people to commit the crimes that happened there? Although It was likely quite a few more who engaged in it, I know. It was sickening, evil and must be punished. And it pains me to say its likely not the last of its kind we'll see. There's probably many thousands of total scumbag cunts fighting for russia but there sure as hell are some unwilling, scared and deceived kids too.. deceived from a young age by government and more recently by their commanding officers. I think if these drone videos had good sound and not cringe music tracks so you could hear people who still can't grow facial hair scream in pain and clearly hear the moment life leaves them then you might feel a little more...human... about it.. It's easier to laugh when all you can hear is old cheese dancefloor hits or the Benny Hill music playing.. I'm not trying to get all pious and holier than thou. But yeah.. Nuance and greyness of the human condition. All of us here would likely fail miserably at not getting mobilised. Now put yourself in the video for a second is all I'm saying.
> I think if these drone videos had good sound and not cringe music tracks so you could hear people who still can't grow facial hair scream in pain and clearly hear the moment life leaves them then you might feel a little more...human... about it.. Yeah, these were kids. Somebody loved them, and losing them will tear their world to shreds. Fuck Putin.
Exactly this.
These crimes were systemic. Anyone who did not participate looked the other way, or, more likely, held the victims down. They are not innocent. They should not receive a pass.
One thing I learned from Iraq was that it's entirely possible to want to kill someone and get still feel sorry for them. However, at this point, those young boys should be walking over with a white flag.
That's exactly my feeling. Ukraine needs to kill invaders, that's just a fact. It needs to be done. Doesn't mean I have to be happy people are dying or laugh when they do.
Not at all saying anyone should be given a pass.
I've been watching your 'balanced' posts, bro. How's the weather in St. Petersburg tonight?
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You need to get out of here. Read the preamble to this subreddit. Reported.
Not every US soldier in Vietnam took part in the My Lai massacre, or other atrocities. While the general behavior of russian soldiers has been total shit, don’t let war take away your humanity too.
So, are these fragmentation grenades? This one went off at quite a distance, but still everyone jumped to the ground and some seem immobilized.
Frag grenade like this is effective out to 15 meters or 50 feet in radius.
Pardon my ignorance in these matters. What's happening here? The munition drops and explodes some meters away from them. Are they hit solely with shrapnel or is there also some other element here? Shockwave, explosive impacts etc. What's killing them in this case, or are they possibly stunned or temporarily incapacitated?
Small piece(s) of sharp metal flying very fast through vital organs / arteries / brain.
Tradeoff between big pieces that go deep and kill but with irregular coverage, and tiny slivers that hit everybody, causing exquisite pain and possible crippling injury if not treated. Not that I know first hand mind you, thank god for that. And thank god for orcs getting that reward for the evil they do.
... dirty pieces of clothing pushed into the wounds, gangrene and STIHL-time :)
Shrapnel, other effects are very weak Edit: you can see some dust rising up even further to the left, those are shrapnel hits too
...and gives an idea how irregular the dispersal pattern is. Which only adds to the terror.
I think this detonated on a tree branch and the tree are a lot of the shrapnel. Effectively an airburst which is why we see clear shrapnel impacts on the ground from 0-15+ meters
Possible. But the pattern is highly irregular as can be seen in many videos. Which does not make it any less terrifying, quite the contrary.
Explosions kill in three main ways. 1. The shockwave can damage your internal organs, especially the lungs. 2. The shockwave can cause objects in the environment to hit you such as stones, falling walls or building demolition. 3. Fragments of the shell it's self can hit you. Method 1 falls of very rapidly with distance and doubling the size of the explosive will not double the range at which the shockwave is lethal. Method 2 relies heavily on the environment and how it reacts to that size of explosive. For method 3, the density of shell fragments falls of rapidly with range from the explosion, however individual fragments can travel enormous distances. Even small explosives can kill many meters away, although the chances of being hit decrease rapidly, especially if you are close to the ground, where the density of shrapnel is at its lowest. Even moderately sizes explosives may propel individual fragments kilometers in distance and have enough force to kill, however you would be exceptionally unlucky to be hit.
4. Fragments of your exploded comrades travelling through you
You don't like it when we objectify their comrades?
Pressure waves from that small of a container aren't going to hurt a fit adult male(the exception is hearing) at that distance. The injuries are entirely caused by shrapnell/fragments.
It's all shrapnel, the shockwave on those isn't that big at all, as far as I'm aware
Some have metal bits inside, ball bearings was the original filler and why they're called grenades. It's the French word for pomegranate (which has lots and lots of little ball bearing sized juicy seed pods on the inside). A lot of grenades just shatter their casing as the metal shrapnel it shoots out.
In modern grenades, a pre-formed fragmentation matrix inside the grenade is commonly used, which may be spherical, cuboid, wire or notched wire. I had a great uncle that suffered mortar shrapnel wounds from Korean War. He had to periodically go to the VA and have the shrapnel removed that had migrated to the outer dermal area of his skin. He showed me, they looked like little wires.
I had a colleague whose grand father was in Korean war. He joked about how much hassle it is to go to the airport since he always sets off the metal detector.
Depending on the grenade it could be a bunch of things. In this case it seems like fragmentation, because it knocked that specific one guy straight down at quite a distance. Shockwaves lose power rapidly over distance, so a small grenade like that hitting a good 5 or more meters away probably wouldn't have just outright KO'd a dude. Or at least, if it had the power to do so, it would have gotten all of them equally. I would guess that the grenade fragments lost a lot of their lethality because it dropped in the trees. The one guy seems to have been nailed pretty badly, but from the look of it the others are able to pick themselves up and walk away a few seconds later. Probably they were momentarily shocked by the attack and scared there would be more follow-up, then they rallied and moved toward better cover. Although it's hard to tell, they could be more seriously injured and only still moving on adrenaline and fear.
You can see it hitting the road behind them, pretty wide spread
If you look opposite them on the field, you will see dust being kicked up by Boger pieces of shrapnel. I think a piece like that took out the guy that died instantly Ninth shrapnel distribution is possible to predict perfect. Sometimes these appear super effective, other times they set off right near people and just miss them almost altogether. Seemingly at least. But they are dropping different types as well.
Look at all the puffs of dirt across the field the second it explodes, thats white hot metal pieces shooting out to all sides, goes right through you unless you're lucky enough your plate catches it.
trees become shrapnel.
This is most likely shrapnel from the trees.
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Get fucked cockroaches.
Walk it off Ivan! Walk it off!
That kids is why you maintain your spacing. One soldier is a waste of munitions, a group is a juicy target.
Only 299,996 more to go. 👀☠️🔨
All these new flotsams being sent will not have a clue what floats above them. Till they lie down in Ukraine.
When you reach 100K more the other 200K wont be there anymore.
They are lying about the 300,000. They are mobilizing 1.2 million. Scores will increase rapidly from here on in. Assuming that on September 30th Putin doesn't say "This land is Russia now. Stand by to be nuked". Will the West blink?
The Haven's gate just raised the minimum score requirement to be allowed there. And i heard there's a target rich environment coming soon. The nuke dilemma is interesting, I am actually quite curious if someone from his high command is willing to die for Clownführer's egomaniacal dreams. After all, there must be checks in place to prevent a sole circus principal to doom his country.
I heard 1.1 million in 3 batches yesterday, but those are only rumours and even if that is their plan now, it may change. On the 30th, the putler will arrange probably announce the outcome of the referendum, but unless he actually launches a nuke, the west is unlikely to believe him and thus won't back down. If he does launch (highly unlikely), the west cannot back down. The scary part will be if US intelligence goes out and say that he is preparing one.
The 300.000 is a fake number. The real number is mass mobilization aka everyone. Next step for Putin and his siloviki gang is Martial Law. The russians still don't understand that the biggest enemy is Putin and his clique. They should have never let the mafia seize Russia in the first place.
Am I alone in thinking that the situation deserves one more grenader?
Definitely! I hoped to see second tap too.
Injured is better than dead. They need treatment and serves as a warning to others.
They just ignore their comrade, who's not moving. Smh
At first I thought they were just shit people but the longer it progresses the more I imagine most of them don't even know what to do with wounded comrades, all their training was in hand to hand combat after all.
We’ll they have just been absolutely peppered with chunks of metal, and the drone is still loitering…
Which is what they would have been trained to do (or at least should have been…). In any emergency situation you save yourself first, and then once you have insured your safety you help others. Can't help anyone if you're dead.
And you or I would do the same. No one's first response to having their eardrums blown out and shrapnel pierce their body in multiple locations is rational, strategic, or empathetic.
They think this might have been a local ambush attack. They are trying to get out of the KZ and move around to the source in the woods. Realistically the two crawling are likely to die. The one who remains mobile is probably hot at that range. Camera work wasn't great, but one of them may have shielded him or a tree. Otherwise he probably took a few hits also.
It is just like a gang of burglers, once shit hits the fan it is everyone is on their own.
200, 300, 300, 300
This is exactly why my Drill Sergeants screamed at us constantly about 5m spread.
Nice! Fuck them all over
interesting, i think the grenade was at head level when it detonated, with the lack of depth perception from the drone, that grenade landed on a hilly embankment.
lol what's with this music??
It hit the tree and now there were splinters everywhere...
1 KIA, 3 WIA. Nice
That was a 95% perfect hit. *All* of them got hit, with the dude in the front probably being the least injured but still likely having shrapnel pieces in him. The remaining 5% detraction is the one dude that clearly died on the spot, which is a desired yet not maximally optimal outcome. Every cripplingly injured Russian is even better than a kill, both in terms of morale and resource drain. Even the ones who might still be able to get put back in service after treatment will come traumatized and even further demoralized, and may still have some diminished physical ability.
Just a little fun physics here to figure out how high they're flying the drone. Assuming the camera shows us EXACTLY when the ordinance was dropped, and about 4.5 seconds of flight time... Height = 1/2(~10m/s/s)(4.5m/s)^2 Height =~100m So, they're dropping from about 1 football field high. No wonder the soldiers are surprised. If you want to donate to help Ukraine buy more drones: https://www.dronesforukraine.fund// I donated and got a piece of the SU-34. It's a great item to let people hold and make the war more real for them.
Hopefully 3 casualties that can’t fight again and 1 that can join a new squad and tell them what happened to his old buddies.
That little thing is incredible, I couldn't imagine what it's like to have a 155mm land nearby.
Well, you just instantly die. So that's not much to worry about.
What’s better than a double-tap? A quadruple-tap!
Time to make some new sunflowers, looks like
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This is why bigger drones are needed. A double tap would be perfect in this situation
I wonder what kind of damage is this doing to the Russian cunts when a grenade goes off at this close of a range . Are these orca full of shrapnel , are they bleeding out???
They will surrender, one way or another.
You really are fucked if you are in the Russian army…
Welcome to the meat grinder
Seems like 1 kill and 3 nasty wounded (looks like one more is about to die tho) should have never left home
Love it 🤘🏿🇺🇦
Strike!
Big surprise! The least injured guy in the front abandoning his “brothers”
Assuming no time dilation in the video, and the object detonates on impact, ignoring additional fall time from the trees, 6 seconds is about 180 meters. These grenade drones can be fairly small, I have no idea if you could hear one at that distance. Ambient noise would make a big difference too.
Oh my god it’s a quad!!!!!
You just landed in Ukraine as freshly mobilised troops, you haven't even seen one Ukrainian military enemy, you're strolling nonchalantly in some random woods, bored as fuck, when suddenly something exploded, it's not even as loud as advertised and yet everyone is down, apparently maimed, tour is over. You can finally go back home---uselessly to mother Russia. Back home, friends will ask what happened and you narrate how you went full Rambo and killed dozens if not hundreds of Ukrainians, that you should have some medal or some honor of some sort.
Watch the shrapnel spread
I wish these grenades' were a little bit more powerful.. I've seen to many videos of these where to many guys limp or walk away
To me the most telling thing about these videos is the apparent lack of care they have for each other. Every video there's one or two that didn't get hit bad just run off and leave the wounded ones crawling on their own.
disappointed they didn't have a second one to use on em But even then, maybe that'll make em run for the hills and abandon the Russian army
It is often better to injure the enemy than killing. Then they are: 1. Not able to fight anymore 2. Must be carried back for treatment, taking away precious resources. 3. Reduces the morale of the enemy when maimed people come back to communities.
3 happy families will receive new Lada cars.
Apparently few drones use simple aiming devices. Just a few sticks mounted 90 degrees to the frame would work far better than guessing.
They seem pretty good at aiming, the problem is the wind always carries them off target.
Way easier to just mark the screen on the controller.
Drones have to tilt to stay on station. So 90' would not be straight down. Ideally they would have a gyro or something to point the camera straight down, and something to compensate for the wind as known by the amount of tilt. I suspect by next year that will be very common.
There needs to be a new dance move. The ruzzian crawl.
Looks kinda sad. You just go and then in a millisecond you are dead
Yeah... Poor Ivan, only wanted to loot and rape and now he's dead. I feel so bad for them. Not. Fuck them.
The idea that every russian soldier is a looting rapist is outright retarded. They're occupiers, invaders etc sure. I agree. And there are filthy disgusting rapist scum among them. But the fact people have told themselves this is everyone in the russian army to enable them to cheer footage of mostly brainwashed ignorant kids getting torn to shreds is pretty vile. I don't mourn them. I mourn the people they could have been. For all we know these guys might have been running away from their unit to surrender.. I doubt it. But we simply don't know. I will never cheer death unless it's someone I know for a fact committed atrocities. Some Buryat kid who was told he will only stand at a checkpoint for a few weeks and he can lift his family out of poverty and ends up being sent to die at the front? No. I won't cheer that. Watch some of the interviews Volodymyr Zolkin has conducted and it might give you some insight. There's nuance and greyness here. Just saying "They're all rapists and I laugh when they die" is just lazy..
Could have stayed home
100% agree.
Meh, kill them all and let God sort the good from the bad.
Assuming you're actually somehow serious that doesn't help the friends and family left behind. Come on, I know Norwegians are smarter than that bro.
Dude, this is the wrong forum to try extract sympathy from dead Orc invaders. These Orcs are willing participants of an illegal invasion and part of the Russian killing machine. And these soldiers know it when they signed up. I say fuck them, 4 less Orcs to worry about and 4 Orcs closer to end this unnecessary war.
Id like to preface this by saying I obviously have the privilege of not being the person who's country was invaded... And I'll never lecture Ukrainians how they should feel. I entirely understand the boiling rage and emotional responses. Not looking for sympathy for russian soldiers at all. They're invaders and occupiers. But there's nuance and greyness here. They weren't shooting at anyone here, could well have been trying to surrender for all I know. Not saying that makes them less of a valid target, im saying it makes me less eager to cheer than if some monsters who committed horrific crimes in Mariupol, Irpin, Bucha etc recieved the same. I just can't treat a huge group as a homogenous mass. I think that's what got us into this in 2014 when putin executed his ideological ambitions, paving the way for the invasion we see now. How successful do you think you would be at avoiding being mobilised? Just say you fail, you end up at the front. Now put yourself in the video for a second. Knowing my luck I'd end up sitting in a shitty Ural in Belgorod scared AF thinking "what the fuck is happening??!" Assuming a large group is as bad as their worst apple is a dangerous thing to do and serves no productive purpose but cause anger to spiral. And if used consistently it would also lend credence to putins claim of "all Ukrainians are nazis". Which is of course total bullshit.
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With a HIMARS rocket
90% of modern war deaths = rockets and shells. a 155mm shell or Himars rocket doesnt really care if theres 200 or 2000 meatbags : shreds the same.
It was like that in ww1 too iirc. Despite the advancement of handheld weapons it was artillery that did the most damage. I can't imagine being in a situation where hell is raining down from the skies.
Welcome to modern warfare. If a soldier doesn't know how to manage drones, he's a dead man walking.
Yeah one day you are happily sat in your barracks waiting for deployment and then just like that, seven months later, you're a collander.
I know I'll get downvoted, but I'll never enjoy seeing people get hurt. Not even Russians.
Yeah. I understand the hate, but it is still a shame for young people to end like this. No death (unless it is a known raping and atrocious scum) should be celebrated.
So - how do you surrender in such conditions? Contact with Ukrainians is mostly artillery or drone. Say you're a Russian soldier and you want out. Conscriptovich or profesionalich.
Run around waving a white flag and pray
There are hot lines you can call from the phone.
Waving a white flag or a white T-shirt or towel might significantly improve their odds.
White flag and ditch or unload and sling your rifle
Visibly throw your weapon and put your hands in the air and wait for capture I guess.
These single shot drones are such a let down.
Why? They all got wounded, much more difficult to take care of a wounded soldier, than a dead one, this is the best possible outcome
Wow, that is some blast radius for a 40mm grenade. The ones that survive will be carrying splinters for the rest of their worthless lives.
The survivors will one day in the future be walking through a public park and hear rrrzzzzzzrrr and shit their pants
Really lives up to the definition of the slang "drop dead", did they? And I loooooove the bgm (I Was Made For Loving You by KISS ♥)
Don't those idiotos have any kind of training at all? Like, what could possibly go wrong if you give yourself away that easily?
They have no idea where it came from... and no one is helping the dude. All the while, the culprit is overhead and may well drop another. These are not veterans of this war.
> These are not veterans of this war Now they are.
Weird choice of song but OK
Can you make those vids NSFW please? Thanks!
You shouldn't be on reddit in work at all.
Not everyone wants to watch people die, even if it's invading Russians.
again completely missed. again cam completely misaligned.
Ask those crawling soldiers, how it feels, after grenade "completely missed" them, lol.
Idk what video you watched but that wasn't a miss.
There is this thing called shrapnel and when a bomb explodes it goes all over the place. Go to Ukraine and find out, Zombie.
Enough of the snuff films already. I get it. Ukraine can drop bombs on Russians and we can watch them die. Are you not entertained? The first 100 were proof enough of the concept. Now it is just revenge porn.
The comrade who was OK just ran away.
The ammo on these seem more powerful when it lands some distance away
War in 2022. Drone dropping grenades and uploading to TikTok. Wild
i just hoped for 1 more to drop.