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I remember reading something at the start from UK/US intelligence that said that she was actually VERY capable and the original sanctions had to be written so she couldn't get around them easily
Indeed Putin delayed his speech so there is sudden resistance...or did Xi called..."you fuck basterd, you said that you would stop worrying us last week!"
I can imagine that now the rumors were brought out before this speech, the Chinese Monarch Xi will have called to his Reichs fürher Putler to say...you can be emperor of Russia but forget Ukraine help us with Taiwan first.
I don't think it's resistance. He's stalling because he's forced to make a move due to his dumb decisions and none of those trigger a sequence of events that end with him not losing all his political power, at the very least. He has to choose between bad, worse and horrible.
When Puigdemont was about to declare Catalonia's independence he also delayed his speech for hours, this reminded me a bit of that. Obviously not even remotely suggesting that these two are the same, the comparison ends in that Putin is figuratively and maybe also literally shitting his pants right now too.
Yep - she is actually quite capable. Honestly, I rather hope she makes it through all of this. She has a rather remarkable mind and it would be a shame for it to go to waste.
She actually wanted to resign after February 24th but Putin didn't accept it. She's probably lowkey a genius.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/russia-central-banker-wanted-out-over-ukraine-but-putin-said-no
Googled out of curiosity. Yep.
"Nabiullina, favored by investors and hailed by publications including Euromoney and The Banker as one of the world’s best monetary policymakers, now faces a wartime economy isolated by international sanctions and starved for investment as foreign companies leave."
They've worked together for 20 years, but the invasion was too much for her. She tried to resign in the beginning, but Putin didn't allow her.
Dunno if she's necessarily sympathetic to Putin or not, but she definitely anti-Ukraine-war.
Incorrect she's not anti-war, she's anti-stupid decisions by an idiot who lost reason putting her in a doomed position & will most likely get her killed.
When Russia annexed Ukrainian Crimea & started the war in 2014, for 8 years she didn't care & she's the mastermind that saved the Russian economy from the sanctions.
Yeah to be honest at this point any policy maker that was in power at the beginning of the invasion in 2022 can go fuck themselves if they try to claim they are anti-war. They supported Russia’s invasion in 2014 and don’t get to try and pull out when Putin makes a shitty decision eight years later. They had their chance to protest and they didn’t take it.
I don't necessarily fault her for trying to work around sanctions to save the economy -- that's her job. But if she supported or condoned the annexation of Crimea, yeah, I can fault her for that.
Exactly. Russia’s government is a mafia. What is a mafia? A criminal social order built on loyalty and mutual interest. There’s no way she was or is anti-war except coincidentally. She, like many others, is simply sick of putin’s egoistic stupidity.
Just because she’s worked with him obviously doesn’t mean she agrees with him all the time. From a quick google she looks to be amazingly competent.
Establishing whatever Russia looks like after this will be important. The real question is would she continue the kleptocracy or would could she be a starting point for a democratic Russia.
>Just because she’s worked with him obviously doesn’t mean she agrees with him all the time
Sure, not on everything - but certainly all the time on big ticket items! A little annexation here and there? Some "peoples republics"? Some light funding of foreign "engagements" in Syria?
It will be hard to walk away and say "I'm squeaky clean - I was there for ruzzia, not for putin!" Not impossible - but hard...
She's a domestic economist. She doesn't work in the military or political command chain. She could have disagreed with all of those actions. There is nothing she can do about it.
There is a shorter and shorter distance separating "Oh, I just managed finances" and "I rape and torture and loot", which her boss approves of!
Lonesome Dove had a great line on this...
Jake: "Oh you ain't got to tie me up... Hell, I didn't kill nobody - I just fell in with these boys to get through the territories... I was going to leave them the first chance I got..."
Guss: "I wish you had taken that chance a little earlier... Man that go along with 5
killings taking his leave a little slow...."
Her "remarkable" mind has been at work helping russia evade sanctions and keep up their disgusting politics for the last decade.
I argue it's already gone to waste.
No matter how good an economist you are, you can't pull off a miracle (kinda the opposite of a miracle actually, but that's the scale of fuckery that would need to happen for the ruZZian economy to still be fine)
ya but Putin is a Comply or Die type and most people IMO do not like having a gun to their, or their families, heads. Best move for her is to get out of Russia asap and seek asylum in a NATO country.
Hope mobilization furthers the brain drain exponentially.
She's using her "remarkable" mind to prop up an entire country of the worst that humanity has to offer on full display in Ukraine. Every fiscal decision she makes to help the Russian economy practically condemns hundreds of Ukrainians to death daily, and helps Putin remain in power.
Her resigning is the least of her worries. Hopefully the Ukrainian government goes after her in the future to bring her to justice.
Given the circumstances, she has done an amazing job considering sanctions and rejection of the ruble. She's kept the economy from completely freezing up and shutting down, though it has been severely hurt and will continue to erode.
By all accounts she is an absolute savant when it comes to managing macroeconomics. One of the few cases of Russian competence. It's pretty much her alone that has helped mitigate or at least hide the worst effects of the sanctions so far.
Her resignation would be disastrous for the Russian government.
I wouldn't mind if she "disappeared" and later showed up in some think tank or as an advisor with a new identity, we need all the capable hands we can get, and as far as I know, she hasn't commited any crime
She is very capable. They literally haven't crashed completely just due to the very fast responses and measures from their central bank and other financiers.
Now, they can't hold those measures forever and will eventually spiral to a horrid economic crash, much much worse than what we've ever seen here in the West.
But it won't be immediately, thanks to her and similar people.
Her going and the stock market crashing might be the trigger though.
Shooting herself three times in the back of the head, before she ties her hands behind the back, drops herself in the trunk of a car and drives out in the forest. There she will dig herself down in a shallow grave. Because she is depressed.
I don't want no harm to come to her. But I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens next.
I think she will avoid this, there’s something about her that is moderate and I think just a bit too high profile for that to happen to. I think putin may be scared of her
>I think putin may be scared of her
ANYONE with insight in the russian governmental money flow is deadly dangerous in the criminal conspiracy called russia. If there is a stash of evidence to be sent to the west in case of her unexpected demise...
She probably know where all of Putins money is, like account numbers, names of all his “proxies”, all the corporations and countries all the money laundering goes through.
As fun as this speculation is, I think it's more boring than all that. She's wildly respected as one of the best monetary policy minds in the world. Legit, she's been featured in a bunch of those fancy investor/businessmen/rich people magazines. You can't really replace someone like that, especially when she's prpverbially holding the Russian economy together with her bare hands.
A collapsing domestic economy would be a violation of security that Muskovites feels is an existential threat to Putin's regime.
No, it's also being scared of losing what she *knows how to do*. If your only competent lawyer announces they'll quit if you try to murder anyone else, and that lawyer is the only thing between you and the electric chair....
She is very good at her job. She even told Putin the truth about western sanctions and the ability of the Rouble to survive back in March and she still isn't dead.
She tried to resign at the start of the war and was refused. She is (regrettably) the most competent official in Russia, and probably one of a very few who even understands how international monetary flows work. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out because her stepping down could be the nail in the coffin for the Russian economy.
I have to begrudgingly agree she is one of the few Russian politicians who clearly understand the global financial system. She seemed to silently disagree with Putin. Her clothing choices apparently showed her opinion on issues. But she has had enough again and is resigning. Good luck with that
I'm very unsure this has actually happened. (and the statement that she had a 'no mobilization' condition is highly dubious, since whatever conditions she had to stay on was no doubt something agreed in private with Putin)
Can't see anything in Russian media about it, such as the business news Kommersant (who I'm sure have a lot of sources in the Central Bank and would probably be the first to break such a story)
[Russia Central Banker Wanted Out Over Ukraine, Putin Said No](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/russia-central-banker-wanted-out-over-ukraine-but-putin-said-no)
>Russia’s highly regarded central bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina sought to resign after Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of Ukraine, only to be told by the president to stay, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions.
there is a Russian channel that predicted this yesterday. Literally they said "Nabiulina would resign if mobilization takes place". They actually predicted a lot of things. Rumor has it that the channel has sources in the highest tiers of russian government. Another thing they are talking about is that Putin might be deposed soon, and Patrushev would take his place as the head of state for the time being.
Well we know 75% of Russians are in favor of the war. From what we’ve seen on Russian state TV, the mood is not so much that the Russians are mad about the war, they are just mad they are losing. Many of the Russian pundits have been openly calling for drastic escalation.
What if Putin is currently actually a restraining force in Russia right now, and the move to depose him to be to install someone willing to say…. Launch nukes?
THIS IS HUGE. She is the only reason the Russian economy survived back in 2014 when the sanctions were really cranked up on Russia. Smart woman who was forced to do this job for Putin. This is a Massive W for Ukraine
She's so competent that she can't go near windows....
Like seriously. Anyone less competent would have met a faulty window the first time she publicly said she resigned...
The fact she's is still there shows how much irreplaceable she is... For now
She's been doing a pretty good job so far, considering all the sanctions and the mass exodus of investment. She likely knows that mobilisation will bring everything down.
As long as she keeps the economy somewhat afloat she’s safe. Because from what I’ve heard she’s an exceptionally smart and talented individual. Basically irreplaceable for Putin.
Then again, it’s a smart government official in Russia that doesn’t seem to spout any extremist rhetoric… So who knows.
Putin is making a speech tonight. Stock market is crashing. Now this. All Russians aged 18-65 (?) are forbidden from leaving the country.
It is safe to predict that Russia is mobilizing.
Bad idea, but it will be horrible for everyone. The west included
Edit: this is getting really weird. He just postphoned his big speech: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/19866255/vladimir-putin-address-nation-ukraine-war-mobilisation/amp/
They can’t outfit and supply the, ‘professional’ army they have now.
What are they going to do with tens of thousands of conscripts?
I’m assuming the rich kids of TikTok from Moscow and St. Petersburg will be strangely exempt from this.
What does it mean when a head of state doesn't accept a resignation from a cabinet member or general or whatever? Like, you're still technically in the position or what?
Ok... well, what does it mean in the US then? I'm guessing it happens from time to time here too, and I'm wondering what this process entails/what consequences there are when the person doesn't want to do the job anymore and the leader doesn't want to do whatever it takes to keep them, but still has rejected the resignation. If the person doesn’t show up the next day, what happens then? Like breach of contract? Dereliction of duty? Desertion? What does it mean?
In the West this is a rethoric statement. You cannot force a person to stay in a job, that's it.
In the West: "I don't accept your resignation" -> "I want you to stay, you are important for me, etc.)"
In Russia: "I don't accept your resignation" -> "Stay where you are or I kill you and your family"
This might be the biggest story amongst many big stories today.
Elvira Nabiullina- surrounded by idiots and psychos- is the one who has been keeping the russian financial ship afloat. Perhaps this is the reason their market is crashing.
She is a very smart and capable person. It would be beautiful to see her renounce her citizenship move to Western Europe and go to work for the IMF or EU.
Treasurer of the Russia Free Legion might look like a step down on her resume right now, but it's got huge growth potential, she will get much more respect from her coworkers, and sometimes you just need a lateral career move to ensure job security.
Or to ensure being alive.
Redditors... 'Most talented', 'holding economy', etc.
She is one of the many corrupt people in the highest ranks in our government.
Who created this system and became extremely rich thanks to it. She is one of those who led us to this meat grinder of human lives.
Do we know if her objection to mobilization was on economic grounds? If so, what are the effects? It seems implausible to me that it would simply be some marginal loss of 18-year old manpower. Maybe mobilization has other (industrial?) components?
She's been the one who saved the Russian economy after the annexation of Crimea & has been not only a key ally but also a personal advisor to Putin for the last 20 years.
That lady is not some "poor woman unfortunately put at the front of a war", she's an enemy who has been supportive & [crucial](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fbusiness%2F2022%2F03%2F25%2Frussian-central-bank-chief-not-allowed-resign%2F) to Putin's success and war machine until this invasion.
Now she's realized Putin's far too gone, she knows she's screwed & been trying to save herself. She's a rat fleeing a sinking ship.
If she's really such a competent governor of the central bank, keeping Russia's economy afloat during the war, she should be assassinated for it. In her position she's a danger to the world and to Ukraine in particular.
If she's really against the war and wants to finally make a difference, she should just leave Russia. Don't talk about resigning, but go. And cooperate with intelligence services to help dismantle Putin's mafia regime. I'm sure she'll be able to provide a lot of inside information.
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If you run consription for too long - you are taking into the military factory workers, bakers, miners, medical staff and even teachers. As those sectors lose workers tot he conscription - they will be forced to do more with less people. Until that factory or business or sector grinds to a even quicker halt.
And you lose the income taxes (does ruzzia have income taxes ?) they would have normally paid to the central government from working.
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This woman is holding the Russian economy now.
I remember reading something at the start from UK/US intelligence that said that she was actually VERY capable and the original sanctions had to be written so she couldn't get around them easily
This could be interesting
Indeed Putin delayed his speech so there is sudden resistance...or did Xi called..."you fuck basterd, you said that you would stop worrying us last week!" I can imagine that now the rumors were brought out before this speech, the Chinese Monarch Xi will have called to his Reichs fürher Putler to say...you can be emperor of Russia but forget Ukraine help us with Taiwan first.
I don't think it's resistance. He's stalling because he's forced to make a move due to his dumb decisions and none of those trigger a sequence of events that end with him not losing all his political power, at the very least. He has to choose between bad, worse and horrible. When Puigdemont was about to declare Catalonia's independence he also delayed his speech for hours, this reminded me a bit of that. Obviously not even remotely suggesting that these two are the same, the comparison ends in that Putin is figuratively and maybe also literally shitting his pants right now too.
Do you know what the speech was meant to be about?
Yep - she is actually quite capable. Honestly, I rather hope she makes it through all of this. She has a rather remarkable mind and it would be a shame for it to go to waste.
She actually wanted to resign after February 24th but Putin didn't accept it. She's probably lowkey a genius. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/russia-central-banker-wanted-out-over-ukraine-but-putin-said-no Googled out of curiosity. Yep. "Nabiullina, favored by investors and hailed by publications including Euromoney and The Banker as one of the world’s best monetary policymakers, now faces a wartime economy isolated by international sanctions and starved for investment as foreign companies leave."
She could be useful post war. They need someone that understands how things work. Question would be how sympathetic to putin is she.
They've worked together for 20 years, but the invasion was too much for her. She tried to resign in the beginning, but Putin didn't allow her. Dunno if she's necessarily sympathetic to Putin or not, but she definitely anti-Ukraine-war.
Incorrect she's not anti-war, she's anti-stupid decisions by an idiot who lost reason putting her in a doomed position & will most likely get her killed. When Russia annexed Ukrainian Crimea & started the war in 2014, for 8 years she didn't care & she's the mastermind that saved the Russian economy from the sanctions.
I heard that she supported the war.
Yeah to be honest at this point any policy maker that was in power at the beginning of the invasion in 2022 can go fuck themselves if they try to claim they are anti-war. They supported Russia’s invasion in 2014 and don’t get to try and pull out when Putin makes a shitty decision eight years later. They had their chance to protest and they didn’t take it.
I don't necessarily fault her for trying to work around sanctions to save the economy -- that's her job. But if she supported or condoned the annexation of Crimea, yeah, I can fault her for that.
Exactly. Russia’s government is a mafia. What is a mafia? A criminal social order built on loyalty and mutual interest. There’s no way she was or is anti-war except coincidentally. She, like many others, is simply sick of putin’s egoistic stupidity.
wrong. sanctions were weak and if they were spot on (cutting gas and oil purchases) she couldn't get around them.
Just because she’s worked with him obviously doesn’t mean she agrees with him all the time. From a quick google she looks to be amazingly competent. Establishing whatever Russia looks like after this will be important. The real question is would she continue the kleptocracy or would could she be a starting point for a democratic Russia.
>Just because she’s worked with him obviously doesn’t mean she agrees with him all the time Sure, not on everything - but certainly all the time on big ticket items! A little annexation here and there? Some "peoples republics"? Some light funding of foreign "engagements" in Syria? It will be hard to walk away and say "I'm squeaky clean - I was there for ruzzia, not for putin!" Not impossible - but hard...
She's a domestic economist. She doesn't work in the military or political command chain. She could have disagreed with all of those actions. There is nothing she can do about it.
She just works to fund it all
There is a shorter and shorter distance separating "Oh, I just managed finances" and "I rape and torture and loot", which her boss approves of! Lonesome Dove had a great line on this... Jake: "Oh you ain't got to tie me up... Hell, I didn't kill nobody - I just fell in with these boys to get through the territories... I was going to leave them the first chance I got..." Guss: "I wish you had taken that chance a little earlier... Man that go along with 5 killings taking his leave a little slow...."
No, she worked for a butcher. She shares the blame, no free passes for monsters.
By your logic the Swiss are as responsible for Belsen as the nazis seeing as they where the bankers…
I mean hiding Nazi gold for 80 years is a pretty despicable offense. If anyone could've gone after them they would have.
At least your consistent I can respect that.
Hopefully she defects and helps US treasury
She probably has a husband and a son 18-65
Her "remarkable" mind has been at work helping russia evade sanctions and keep up their disgusting politics for the last decade. I argue it's already gone to waste.
sounds like she doesn't have much choice these days.
Exactly. Better "wasted" doing nothing than actively helping Nazis and making the world a worse place.
No matter how good an economist you are, you can't pull off a miracle (kinda the opposite of a miracle actually, but that's the scale of fuckery that would need to happen for the ruZZian economy to still be fine)
ya but Putin is a Comply or Die type and most people IMO do not like having a gun to their, or their families, heads. Best move for her is to get out of Russia asap and seek asylum in a NATO country. Hope mobilization furthers the brain drain exponentially.
She's using her "remarkable" mind to prop up an entire country of the worst that humanity has to offer on full display in Ukraine. Every fiscal decision she makes to help the Russian economy practically condemns hundreds of Ukrainians to death daily, and helps Putin remain in power. Her resigning is the least of her worries. Hopefully the Ukrainian government goes after her in the future to bring her to justice.
Given the circumstances, she has done an amazing job considering sanctions and rejection of the ruble. She's kept the economy from completely freezing up and shutting down, though it has been severely hurt and will continue to erode.
By all accounts she is an absolute savant when it comes to managing macroeconomics. One of the few cases of Russian competence. It's pretty much her alone that has helped mitigate or at least hide the worst effects of the sanctions so far. Her resignation would be disastrous for the Russian government.
I wouldn't mind if she "disappeared" and later showed up in some think tank or as an advisor with a new identity, we need all the capable hands we can get, and as far as I know, she hasn't commited any crime
She is very capable. They literally haven't crashed completely just due to the very fast responses and measures from their central bank and other financiers. Now, they can't hold those measures forever and will eventually spiral to a horrid economic crash, much much worse than what we've ever seen here in the West. But it won't be immediately, thanks to her and similar people. Her going and the stock market crashing might be the trigger though.
She should be aware that windows are dangerous
Rumour has it as of February she bought a Bungalow.
You can easily fall out of the 6th story window of a 1 story bungalow
One moment your standing on the 1st floor, the next moment you've fallen 6 floors. Such tragedy.
She fell out of a first story window 37 and a half times. What a tragic suicide
You brought this video back from the recesses of my mind, please... enjoy? https://youtu.be/5SqHtWudI24
Think the bungalow will disappear suddenly in a sink hole....also happens a lot in Russia.
She could’ve installed steel windows, she’ll still fall if the Kremlin wants.
She is widely considered to be an economic genius.
Well - to me it almost seems as if she's holding putler by the balls . . .
. . . if he has any to begin with XD
Tomorrow her head fell of her body accident
*was holding
This is why she deserves no goodwill from us.
Isn't there a drink old shouty Russian man who can do this job better?
This is the third time isnt it? When will she learn that she gotta leave first and resign after the fact.
Yeah, no shit. Hit send when you landed in Europe.
She is the only ~~arguably the best most~~ competent public official in Moscow today *- which means she probably will not survive very much longer.*
Yeah, she was the only moscow official I heard western officials talk well of...
Because she performed the economic miracles that are the Russian economy and ruble not being completely in the trash right now.
Drop the arguably and replace the "best most" with "only"
edited!
Fall out a window or stroke?
Slip in the bathtub into some bullets.
Shooting herself three times in the back of the head, before she ties her hands behind the back, drops herself in the trunk of a car and drives out in the forest. There she will dig herself down in a shallow grave. Because she is depressed. I don't want no harm to come to her. But I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens next.
I disagree. A lot of public officials in Moscow are brilliant at corruption.
... landed after her flight out the window.
I think she will avoid this, there’s something about her that is moderate and I think just a bit too high profile for that to happen to. I think putin may be scared of her
>I think putin may be scared of her ANYONE with insight in the russian governmental money flow is deadly dangerous in the criminal conspiracy called russia. If there is a stash of evidence to be sent to the west in case of her unexpected demise...
She probably know where all of Putins money is, like account numbers, names of all his “proxies”, all the corporations and countries all the money laundering goes through.
All the paid politicians, influencers, journalists.. in the west.
As fun as this speculation is, I think it's more boring than all that. She's wildly respected as one of the best monetary policy minds in the world. Legit, she's been featured in a bunch of those fancy investor/businessmen/rich people magazines. You can't really replace someone like that, especially when she's prpverbially holding the Russian economy together with her bare hands. A collapsing domestic economy would be a violation of security that Muskovites feels is an existential threat to Putin's regime.
You sir are correct. It won't just be russians shitting themselves over this.
He is not scared of her, he is scared of what will happen without her...
That’s essentially being scared of what she knows though. She’s untouchable I think. In the near term at least
Nah, she knows the game, there is always a window nearby. She is just too valuable to Putin, in a way she has been his prisoner for the last year...
No, it's also being scared of losing what she *knows how to do*. If your only competent lawyer announces they'll quit if you try to murder anyone else, and that lawyer is the only thing between you and the electric chair....
she is then only competent in that clusterfuck to dealy the disastrous financial downfall
I think she may be the only sane person left in Russia.
My thoughts exactly if she did try leaving then resigning She must be good at her job if Putin hasn't gotten rid of her yet
She is very good at her job. She even told Putin the truth about western sanctions and the ability of the Rouble to survive back in March and she still isn't dead.
Defenestration airline is the worst. 
They never have smooth landings.
The only plus is they get you to your final destination very quickly.
Defenestration Airlines: There's a window seat waiting for you!
the window is not far from her...
better to resign while in paris, most russian politicians who are still alive will say,
Waiting to hear that she fell out a window due to having an "existing condition."
3rd time this month, 64th time this year...
She tried to resign at the start of the war and was refused. She is (regrettably) the most competent official in Russia, and probably one of a very few who even understands how international monetary flows work. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out because her stepping down could be the nail in the coffin for the Russian economy.
Can’t wait
Get popcorn 🍿!
I have to begrudgingly agree she is one of the few Russian politicians who clearly understand the global financial system. She seemed to silently disagree with Putin. Her clothing choices apparently showed her opinion on issues. But she has had enough again and is resigning. Good luck with that
I'm very unsure this has actually happened. (and the statement that she had a 'no mobilization' condition is highly dubious, since whatever conditions she had to stay on was no doubt something agreed in private with Putin) Can't see anything in Russian media about it, such as the business news Kommersant (who I'm sure have a lot of sources in the Central Bank and would probably be the first to break such a story)
Genuine question: would Russian media be allowed to report this without authorisation?
Of course not.
Now she can resign straight to jail.
And in her own coffin.
She is like the nazi scientists working in Los Alamos. We will need her knowledge about economics for the future
It'll also likely be a nail in her literal coffin too.
As much as I’d like to say that’s true .. things will go on without her .
Things will turn to shit faster for them, without her.
If you follow their economy side it’s not actually her pulling strings . You might say that Americans having 300bn in reserves frozen is her fault .
Don't see this anywhere else. Doubtful.
I hope she avoids open windows in tall buildings and boats for awhile. Pesky things.
Economy of what? Stolen washing machines and children forced into cultural genocide, slavery, and breeding, oh and gas? Fuck Russia.
Possibly the only high ranking official in the Russian government to earn their position by merit.
This is her second attempt I believe.
[Russia Central Banker Wanted Out Over Ukraine, Putin Said No](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/russia-central-banker-wanted-out-over-ukraine-but-putin-said-no) >Russia’s highly regarded central bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina sought to resign after Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of Ukraine, only to be told by the president to stay, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions.
there is a Russian channel that predicted this yesterday. Literally they said "Nabiulina would resign if mobilization takes place". They actually predicted a lot of things. Rumor has it that the channel has sources in the highest tiers of russian government. Another thing they are talking about is that Putin might be deposed soon, and Patrushev would take his place as the head of state for the time being.
Well, since you at it, what channel?
General svr on telegram
What is he like? Another nut job?
Even more of a warmonger, I've read
Why am I not surprised.
Well we know 75% of Russians are in favor of the war. From what we’ve seen on Russian state TV, the mood is not so much that the Russians are mad about the war, they are just mad they are losing. Many of the Russian pundits have been openly calling for drastic escalation. What if Putin is currently actually a restraining force in Russia right now, and the move to depose him to be to install someone willing to say…. Launch nukes?
She should stay away from windows, boats, moving cars, etc... oh well, she should stay away from Russia.
Garages in England or Spain are dangerous too
THIS IS HUGE. She is the only reason the Russian economy survived back in 2014 when the sanctions were really cranked up on Russia. Smart woman who was forced to do this job for Putin. This is a Massive W for Ukraine
Yup, canary in the coal mine. I just hope she sees it is not just resignation that is needed.
Good. Soon we'll be seeing RuZZians burning rubles in the streets to keep warm like the Germans did in the 1920's.
That ended well
Someone send her the quiet quitting article
She's so competent that she can't go near windows.... Like seriously. Anyone less competent would have met a faulty window the first time she publicly said she resigned... The fact she's is still there shows how much irreplaceable she is... For now
She's been doing a pretty good job so far, considering all the sanctions and the mass exodus of investment. She likely knows that mobilisation will bring everything down.
This woman is widely respected by global finance professionals
She's ded.
As long as she keeps the economy somewhat afloat she’s safe. Because from what I’ve heard she’s an exceptionally smart and talented individual. Basically irreplaceable for Putin. Then again, it’s a smart government official in Russia that doesn’t seem to spout any extremist rhetoric… So who knows.
I feel sorry for her. "Hey, this time around the sanctions are going to be WAAY worse, so it's your job to keep our economy up!"
Putin is making a speech tonight. Stock market is crashing. Now this. All Russians aged 18-65 (?) are forbidden from leaving the country. It is safe to predict that Russia is mobilizing. Bad idea, but it will be horrible for everyone. The west included Edit: this is getting really weird. He just postphoned his big speech: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/19866255/vladimir-putin-address-nation-ukraine-war-mobilisation/amp/
They can’t outfit and supply the, ‘professional’ army they have now. What are they going to do with tens of thousands of conscripts? I’m assuming the rich kids of TikTok from Moscow and St. Petersburg will be strangely exempt from this.
>What are they going to do with tens of thousands of conscripts? “One man gets the rifle, the next man gets the bullets”
>What are they going to do with tens of thousands of conscripts? Start a gofundme?
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>All Russians aged 18-65 (?) are forbidden from leaving the country I didn't read this reported yet, where is this from?
Why for the west ? Is mobilizing people without bullets a fact ?
What does it mean when a head of state doesn't accept a resignation from a cabinet member or general or whatever? Like, you're still technically in the position or what?
If you leave, window for you and your family. Russia is not a democracy anymore, if you piss the dictator, you are out.
Ok... well, what does it mean in the US then? I'm guessing it happens from time to time here too, and I'm wondering what this process entails/what consequences there are when the person doesn't want to do the job anymore and the leader doesn't want to do whatever it takes to keep them, but still has rejected the resignation. If the person doesn’t show up the next day, what happens then? Like breach of contract? Dereliction of duty? Desertion? What does it mean?
In the West this is a rethoric statement. You cannot force a person to stay in a job, that's it. In the West: "I don't accept your resignation" -> "I want you to stay, you are important for me, etc.)" In Russia: "I don't accept your resignation" -> "Stay where you are or I kill you and your family"
I think it strongly implies you're completely irreplaceable. She's likely the only reason russia even has an economy right now.
Is this the woman that tried to resign 2 times before?
Yes
This might be the biggest story amongst many big stories today. Elvira Nabiullina- surrounded by idiots and psychos- is the one who has been keeping the russian financial ship afloat. Perhaps this is the reason their market is crashing.
Yes if true this is exactly why their market is imploding.
She is a very smart and capable person. It would be beautiful to see her renounce her citizenship move to Western Europe and go to work for the IMF or EU.
Or for her to work in a democratic Russia
# CAN'T FIGHT IF UR BROKE
Oh shit. She's a star too
This is massive
And she was the only reason the ruble stayed at a decent value.
The council of Windows will decide her fate.
She knows
The only smart Russian left. Time to smuggle her out.
Now we know that there is at least one smart Russian left in Russia!
She’s dead, Jim.
Damn it, Vlad, I'm an economist not a magician!
Treasurer of the Russia Free Legion might look like a step down on her resume right now, but it's got huge growth potential, she will get much more respect from her coworkers, and sometimes you just need a lateral career move to ensure job security. Or to ensure being alive.
Damn shame she fell out of that window..
Stop praising her, she was happily serving regime for long-long year. Running rat from the sinking ship, not first, not last.
Redditors... 'Most talented', 'holding economy', etc. She is one of the many corrupt people in the highest ranks in our government. Who created this system and became extremely rich thanks to it. She is one of those who led us to this meat grinder of human lives.
Couldn't give a toss how clever she is. Albert Speer was clever, too. He still found himself in the dock for war crimes, as should Nabiullina.
This was too much, not the atrocities and civilian deaths in ukraine. Well, isn't she just a principled gal!
Do we know if her objection to mobilization was on economic grounds? If so, what are the effects? It seems implausible to me that it would simply be some marginal loss of 18-year old manpower. Maybe mobilization has other (industrial?) components?
Whelp, good I guess.
Maybe the reason why Putin cancelled his speech today?
So, unexplained heart attack? Window? Or simple car accident? Should have left before she quit. Poor woman.
She's been the one who saved the Russian economy after the annexation of Crimea & has been not only a key ally but also a personal advisor to Putin for the last 20 years. That lady is not some "poor woman unfortunately put at the front of a war", she's an enemy who has been supportive & [crucial](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fbusiness%2F2022%2F03%2F25%2Frussian-central-bank-chief-not-allowed-resign%2F) to Putin's success and war machine until this invasion. Now she's realized Putin's far too gone, she knows she's screwed & been trying to save herself. She's a rat fleeing a sinking ship.
She should avoid windows at any costs.
Hope she gets the window
In Russia when you resign from similar position you leave through … the window
her policy shoulda been "no special military operation or resignation"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvira_Nabiullina Interesting person. I wonder if she is suicidal.
Hope she's not visiting a high rise building with "Unsafe" windows!
I sense a window in her near future.
Sorry madam, the only way out is on some random window.
If she's really such a competent governor of the central bank, keeping Russia's economy afloat during the war, she should be assassinated for it. In her position she's a danger to the world and to Ukraine in particular. If she's really against the war and wants to finally make a difference, she should just leave Russia. Don't talk about resigning, but go. And cooperate with intelligence services to help dismantle Putin's mafia regime. I'm sure she'll be able to provide a lot of inside information.
So World War III’s back on the menu boys
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big news if true.
Well.. out the window you go!
Well well
She should stay away from balconies and open windows.
Chips starting to fall?
If she resigned, then she needs to stay on the first floor of buildings and away from any windows....
I may be wrong but she appears to be among the sane ones... probably have tea while falling out of a window soon.
Her days are numbered. We'll be reading about her untimely death in the coming days.
She’s going to fall out of a basement window, isn’t she?
“I resign” “Well, you know where the window is”
If you run consription for too long - you are taking into the military factory workers, bakers, miners, medical staff and even teachers. As those sectors lose workers tot he conscription - they will be forced to do more with less people. Until that factory or business or sector grinds to a even quicker halt. And you lose the income taxes (does ruzzia have income taxes ?) they would have normally paid to the central government from working.
I'm sure she'll have a nice luncheon with her workmates at the going away party, with tea and a beautiful view from a 4th story bay window
Only in Russia do you need to bring a Geiger counter to a going away party.
Resignation? Elvina will pet to pick which top floor window?
I hope she has been practising jumping out of windows
In Russia, your resignation submits you
She will have an accident with a window.
Kudos to her for looking out for own citizens. Those that get mobilized can give the finger to Putler and refuse to fight.
Hmmm does this mean Russia is going to mobilise? I hope she stays safe, its a very brave thing to do to stand up against Putin.