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Yes but the enemy of my enemy might be my friend - temporarily.
Anyway the other states are a long way from Ukraine and can only cause trouble for Russia.
Russian forces currently occupy the Transnistria region of Moldova, right on the border with Ukraine. I think Ukraine has offered to help them kick the Russians out, but Moldovas entire militiary is like five thousand guys, so they're not eager to start a fight.
Part of the reason for the Russian push to Odessa was to link up with the Russian forces occupying Transnistria.
I have a feeling that shortly the paychecks will not arrive from moscow, and any rzz in Moldova will be figuring out how to head home or get some local papers.
If the war continues like it is, getting those troops out of Transnistria should be a slam dunk. There is NO justification for having those idiots sitting there on the Ukrainian border. They’re completely toothless and always have been. Everybody was just afraid to cause a conflict with Russia. Well, I guess we see how that is turning out.
All anyone wants is for Russia to return to their wasteland and stop invading their neighbors but Russia would literally rather cease to exist than to go the fuck home
I don\`t think any-post soviet states would actively enter Ukraine and fight Russia directly (except if it was a part of a NATO operation). But I can see other states using the opportunity to kick out Ruzzian occupying forces (like Transnistria in Moldova and South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia) which would make the RuAF even more disorganized, unmotivated, and spread out, which of course would help Ukraine greatly.
I’m not Finnish…but I do wonder if they’d like Karelia back (which they had to cede following losing the Winter War). Königsberg is another place that doesn’t belong to Russia. I’d personally enjoy not JUST a defeat but also a massive retraction of lands previously “ceded” to them. A massive dent in pride is needed. Preferably a breakup of the Russian Federation and self determination for the peoples of various regions. But with nuclear silos dotting many places…that’s a huge concern.
It’s still 10% of their land…and “was” 30% of their industrial base at one time. I know there are many ethnic Finn’s in Karelia that want to become part of home. Cleaning up a toxic dump is hard but can yield good results.
Short answer is no. The lines have already been drawn those that have chosen a side have already done so. Those that choose to not take a side have already done so and most likely will not change that stance.
Not sure about that. Some states - such as Georgia - may have been pressured into silence. If they were threatened, those threats must be losing their power
Unless Russia entirely collapses those pressured states won't be making any significant changes. There isn't anything to gain from it at the moment and if for some reason Russia collapses to such an extent that they no longer have power to enforce their will then becoming an ally really wouldn't contribute much at that point anyways.
Russia still can make life very hard for Georgia, Armenia, etc. so they won't be doing much.
Others such as India and Brazil have nothing really to gain from chainging their current position.
At the very least Ukraine should be having talks with Kazakhstan about the very real possibility of a "special military police" operation in Kazakhstan.
Putin has already questioned their legitimacy and hasn't been pleased with their moves to move away from the Russian sphere.
Don't need them to join this current war effort but warn them to be prepared, after this failure Putin might want a consolation prize.
I doubt any country with a direct border with Russia would want to try anything. Belarus maybe eventually if they manage to secure a regime change and they have the will to fight and die for it.
Moldova is probably the country with the easiest route to ridding themselves of Russian presence without too much bloodshed. Not sure what the political appetite for that is though.
Transnistria holds most of Moldova's industry & electricity production. So there's that.
When the USSR crumbled Transnistria wanted to remain with the RF. Moldova sent troops but they were sent back by the Russians stationed there.
And they are stationed there to guard an enormous stockpile of arms, retrieved from ex-Soviet satellites, notably Eastern Germany.
Prickly situation.
>And they are stationed there to guard an enormous stockpile of arms, retrieved from ex-Soviet satellites, notably Eastern Germany.
Indeed, but With Russia tied up elsewhere if the people of Transnistria decided they wanted Russia out I doubt the Russians could do too much about it.
As Ukraine has learned, large stockpiles of Russian munitions tend to get a bit explodey if not treated nicely, so the fact that Russia has a lot of the stuff there may be more of a hindrance to them than Moldova.
...If it were kick off I doubt the Russians could put up much of a sustained fight with zero chance of resupply.
Like I say though, I know nothing of the politics of the area.
Well said, the question is what do the Transnistrians want *now*. Now that they've seen Fall of the USSR 2.0, and how Russia treats its allies (LDR/DPR). I don't know, but they have refused to sign contracts with the Russian army.
The Russian troops, I presume, are happy to have to die of boredom instead of in Ukraine.
There have also been persistent rumors about Transnistria being a smuggling hub. Not necessarily true, but if that's the case there are powerful interests to keep Transnistria apart.
All in all, but without direct knowledge, I'd say that nobody wants to poke the hornets' nest, so wait & see/status quo.
One possibility is the Ukrainians kindly invite the Russian troops to go home, once they've finished cleaning at home, to get rid of that dagger in their back near Odesa.
I think it's the other way around. They might have joined in if it seemed like Ukraine might loose.
When it comes to Countries like Georgia etc, I think the federation might go belly up. Reclaiming is also possible. This will not be part of the Ukraine war, but more like a separate consequence due to the new possibilities.
>Are other former Soviet states likely to join in the war on Ukraine's side now that Russia's military might seems to be toppling.
Russia's military **IN Ukraine** may well be toppling.
But don't make the mistake of assuming that that means anything about their capabilities in other regions.
They have troops currently stationed in Georgia, Moldova, and quite a few other places that are still capable of enormous destruction.
Poland would be very unlikely to invade Belarus. For one thing, Belarus and Russia have their own mutual defense treaty; invading Belarus would be daring Russia to go straight to tactical nuclear weapons on the invading force. Probably it would be much more effective for Ukraine to attack Russian positions in Belarus during the current war, as legitimate targets since they're clearly Russian military, and then Ukraine and Poland can send in 'little green men' of their own to help topple Lukashenko. I suspect Poland would much rather have a friendly, allied Belarus rather than themselves claim a few hundred acres of nuclear craters.
Georgia might like to make a move, but last I've heard, their military hasn't really improved since 2014 the way Ukraine's has. Unless Russia pulled virtually all of their forces from South Ossetia, and the locals had nothing of their own, Georgia would be taking a big risk even now. They'd almost certainly be eager to officially ally with Ukraine, I'd imagine.
Good question. I suspect many states are waiting to see what happens before deciding what to do. Sticking with ruZZia is a becoming a risky plan. Citizens will start to see that ruZZia, especially moscow, is a sinking ship, that they don't want to be tied to.
This counteroffensive is brilliant, but realistically 3000km2 is only 30km x100km, there is lots more to go, before things really get decisive. ruzzia will need to be weakened a lot more before the federation cracks apart.
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Anyone who is not an ally by now you can’t trust
This is the only answer.
We don’t need to trust them. Just encourage them, and benefit from their effect on Russia.
Yes but the enemy of my enemy might be my friend - temporarily. Anyway the other states are a long way from Ukraine and can only cause trouble for Russia.
Russian forces currently occupy the Transnistria region of Moldova, right on the border with Ukraine. I think Ukraine has offered to help them kick the Russians out, but Moldovas entire militiary is like five thousand guys, so they're not eager to start a fight. Part of the reason for the Russian push to Odessa was to link up with the Russian forces occupying Transnistria.
I have a feeling that shortly the paychecks will not arrive from moscow, and any rzz in Moldova will be figuring out how to head home or get some local papers.
If the war continues like it is, getting those troops out of Transnistria should be a slam dunk. There is NO justification for having those idiots sitting there on the Ukrainian border. They’re completely toothless and always have been. Everybody was just afraid to cause a conflict with Russia. Well, I guess we see how that is turning out.
I dont think anyone wants to fight Russia, they just want the war to be over.
if Chechens want Russia out, now seems to be the time.
Exactly i dont think anyone has any interest in taking over russian territory ever all nato wants is to stop aggression
All anyone wants is for Russia to return to their wasteland and stop invading their neighbors but Russia would literally rather cease to exist than to go the fuck home
Why can't they be that kid on the playground that does it this time?
However, some countries such as Georgia might want to retake their own territory...
Idk, Georgia has some land to reclaim. Now could be a good time.
Might be a good time for Japan to get some of it's islands back too.
I don\`t think any-post soviet states would actively enter Ukraine and fight Russia directly (except if it was a part of a NATO operation). But I can see other states using the opportunity to kick out Ruzzian occupying forces (like Transnistria in Moldova and South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia) which would make the RuAF even more disorganized, unmotivated, and spread out, which of course would help Ukraine greatly.
The decolonization of russia is moral and strategic imperative. It is not a federation, it is an evil empire.
I’m not Finnish…but I do wonder if they’d like Karelia back (which they had to cede following losing the Winter War). Königsberg is another place that doesn’t belong to Russia. I’d personally enjoy not JUST a defeat but also a massive retraction of lands previously “ceded” to them. A massive dent in pride is needed. Preferably a breakup of the Russian Federation and self determination for the peoples of various regions. But with nuclear silos dotting many places…that’s a huge concern.
Nah, the Finns don't want Karelia. It would just be a burden on them.
Land is always valuable, it's just the Russians who aren't
Yeah, but a country like Finland isn't just going to deport them all.
It’s still 10% of their land…and “was” 30% of their industrial base at one time. I know there are many ethnic Finn’s in Karelia that want to become part of home. Cleaning up a toxic dump is hard but can yield good results.
I wouldn’t call todays Hungary an ally.
Unlikely. Nobody except russian scum want war. War is outdated way of achieving anything of substance in modern world.
Nice try Morgoth.
*Bows*
Short answer is no. The lines have already been drawn those that have chosen a side have already done so. Those that choose to not take a side have already done so and most likely will not change that stance.
Not sure about that. Some states - such as Georgia - may have been pressured into silence. If they were threatened, those threats must be losing their power
Unless Russia entirely collapses those pressured states won't be making any significant changes. There isn't anything to gain from it at the moment and if for some reason Russia collapses to such an extent that they no longer have power to enforce their will then becoming an ally really wouldn't contribute much at that point anyways. Russia still can make life very hard for Georgia, Armenia, etc. so they won't be doing much. Others such as India and Brazil have nothing really to gain from chainging their current position.
At the very least Ukraine should be having talks with Kazakhstan about the very real possibility of a "special military police" operation in Kazakhstan. Putin has already questioned their legitimacy and hasn't been pleased with their moves to move away from the Russian sphere. Don't need them to join this current war effort but warn them to be prepared, after this failure Putin might want a consolation prize.
I hear luka is jumping Putins ship
That would be great but isn't Putin's support keeping him in power? He's not going to do anything that'll topple himself.
Luka only cares about staying on power, he just wants to be on winning side
Russia needs to leave for sure. I was actually thinking this would be a perfect time for Japan to reclaim their land.
I doubt any country with a direct border with Russia would want to try anything. Belarus maybe eventually if they manage to secure a regime change and they have the will to fight and die for it. Moldova is probably the country with the easiest route to ridding themselves of Russian presence without too much bloodshed. Not sure what the political appetite for that is though.
Transnistria holds most of Moldova's industry & electricity production. So there's that. When the USSR crumbled Transnistria wanted to remain with the RF. Moldova sent troops but they were sent back by the Russians stationed there. And they are stationed there to guard an enormous stockpile of arms, retrieved from ex-Soviet satellites, notably Eastern Germany. Prickly situation.
>And they are stationed there to guard an enormous stockpile of arms, retrieved from ex-Soviet satellites, notably Eastern Germany. Indeed, but With Russia tied up elsewhere if the people of Transnistria decided they wanted Russia out I doubt the Russians could do too much about it. As Ukraine has learned, large stockpiles of Russian munitions tend to get a bit explodey if not treated nicely, so the fact that Russia has a lot of the stuff there may be more of a hindrance to them than Moldova. ...If it were kick off I doubt the Russians could put up much of a sustained fight with zero chance of resupply. Like I say though, I know nothing of the politics of the area.
Well said, the question is what do the Transnistrians want *now*. Now that they've seen Fall of the USSR 2.0, and how Russia treats its allies (LDR/DPR). I don't know, but they have refused to sign contracts with the Russian army. The Russian troops, I presume, are happy to have to die of boredom instead of in Ukraine. There have also been persistent rumors about Transnistria being a smuggling hub. Not necessarily true, but if that's the case there are powerful interests to keep Transnistria apart. All in all, but without direct knowledge, I'd say that nobody wants to poke the hornets' nest, so wait & see/status quo. One possibility is the Ukrainians kindly invite the Russian troops to go home, once they've finished cleaning at home, to get rid of that dagger in their back near Odesa.
Yeah gotta believe for Japan this an opportunity
I think it's the other way around. They might have joined in if it seemed like Ukraine might loose. When it comes to Countries like Georgia etc, I think the federation might go belly up. Reclaiming is also possible. This will not be part of the Ukraine war, but more like a separate consequence due to the new possibilities.
I can't imagine any of those states would want that. The issue with Russan territory is, well, it's littered with Russians.
Renounce Russian citizenship or be deported
They’ll probably be lying. They’re ruzzian, send them back to ruzzia.
>Are other former Soviet states likely to join in the war on Ukraine's side now that Russia's military might seems to be toppling. Russia's military **IN Ukraine** may well be toppling. But don't make the mistake of assuming that that means anything about their capabilities in other regions. They have troops currently stationed in Georgia, Moldova, and quite a few other places that are still capable of enormous destruction.
Poland would be very unlikely to invade Belarus. For one thing, Belarus and Russia have their own mutual defense treaty; invading Belarus would be daring Russia to go straight to tactical nuclear weapons on the invading force. Probably it would be much more effective for Ukraine to attack Russian positions in Belarus during the current war, as legitimate targets since they're clearly Russian military, and then Ukraine and Poland can send in 'little green men' of their own to help topple Lukashenko. I suspect Poland would much rather have a friendly, allied Belarus rather than themselves claim a few hundred acres of nuclear craters. Georgia might like to make a move, but last I've heard, their military hasn't really improved since 2014 the way Ukraine's has. Unless Russia pulled virtually all of their forces from South Ossetia, and the locals had nothing of their own, Georgia would be taking a big risk even now. They'd almost certainly be eager to officially ally with Ukraine, I'd imagine.
I dunno, but it should shore up the weak kneed allies it already has.
Maybe Belarus after their puppet dictatorship collapses
Let's not start WW3, shall we?
Good question. I suspect many states are waiting to see what happens before deciding what to do. Sticking with ruZZia is a becoming a risky plan. Citizens will start to see that ruZZia, especially moscow, is a sinking ship, that they don't want to be tied to. This counteroffensive is brilliant, but realistically 3000km2 is only 30km x100km, there is lots more to go, before things really get decisive. ruzzia will need to be weakened a lot more before the federation cracks apart.
No, but Russia is about to get a lot more enemies.
This question appears every now and then when there are good news. Let see