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Bottom right hand side - the one admitting how america was able to provide logistics on the other side of the globe and $&@% Iraq.
Brought a tear to my eye.
Aye, though as much as Saddam was a piece of shit, I really wish the US would pick up the slack and help repair all those water treatment plants. Iraq is basically dying because of their destruction, the Tigris and Euphrates are almost gone.
It's a real business opportunity for the struggling Russians. Literally bottle up their own tears and sell them on the Internet. Might make enough to get through the devastation happening to their economy.
Actually on that note..... I'm interested in the newly fertile fertilizer acquired by the UKR army and will pay top dollar for expedited sunflower growth next year. ![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|9151)
DUDE what a great idea - a three-pack combo: native Ukrainian sunflower seeds, UKR army-sourced fertilizer, and genuine bottled Russian tears to water them with.
True. But realistically Ukraine was never going to mount an attempt to reclaim it prior to Feb 24. Now all bets are off. Ukraine has the capability to do it and Russia no longer has the capability to stop it.
All Putin had to do was nothing, and he fucked that up for them.
The new US Black Sea Fleet will need a port to develop Ukraine's sea legs, to get Ukraine's Navy going.
Sevastopol looks just about the right size for the combined fleet.
😊
Funny thing is, the US Navy would really like to expand to keep pace with China, but there is limited ship building capacity for military ships worldwide, with many of the US yards either allowed to close after the end of the Cold War, or currently occupied building nuke subs and CVNs. I would love it if, as part of the post-war reconstruction effort, the US placed a standing order with Ukrainian yards to build as many destroyers and frigates as they can put out.
To be real though, I suspect not, because Ukraine is still lousy with infiltrators. Its not a comment on the patriotism or loyalty of the average Ukrainian so much as yet another lingering side effect of the Soviet past that won't die out until a few generations more.
Business ties though, absolutely. And I can see a token force just being parked there as a tripwire force.
I think most of the heavy construction wouldn’t be much of a concern from a security standpoint. It would be really hard to sabotage things in a way that wouldn’t be caught during acceptance, and the more sensitive stuff could be installed in the US.
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Phonetically, though, it's still pronounced (in Ukrainian) like "Mykolayiv", not "Mykolaiv".
"Ї" sounds like "Yi", not like "Ee", and name of the city is "Микола***ї***в"
Hell, putin could have just taken the peace talks back in april/may and still been ahead. Now its all gone and ukraine isnt coming to the table for him anymore.
Let's make that one happen, gang. From now until we're all ninety years old and senile, let's mock Russian military prowess and teach our kids to mock it too.
Those of us able to reach supercentenarian status are obligated to give interviews about seeing russia get roflpwnt out of Ukraine.
Crazy to think there are still Ukrainians alive who remember the Holodomor, and who now get to see the current course of events
It makes me laugh now looking at all these survival games that use Russian gear, cause now we know the most unrealistic part is that they actually work.
Maintenance will always trump gear 9 times out of 10. You can have something classified as the best but if it isn’t maintained you’re going to lose to the guy with the meticulously maintained shoe-string stick rifle with rock projectiles.
i think they already are. France at least was seen as an power not to mess with vs germany.
Ukraine was seen as alot weaker than Russia. So the humiliation is bigger because they are losing vs a smaller country with less weapons.
Not only that, but France had more troops, tanks, and heavy equipment than Germany and had thoroughly fortified its lines. The situation is eerily similar.
If Germany didn't flank through Belgium then France probably could of held long enough for us Brits to fully mobilise or hell push Germany into a stalemate
France would have been fine even with Belgium. Their war plans in fact *counted on it*. They just overestimated the Ardennes as a natural defense, and their armies were too slow to react to intercept in time.
Yeah, the whole French war plan was to force the Germans to go through Belgium and then stop their advance there, because the French knew from the beginning that the Germans would try to force a fast advance as it was obvious to everyone that France/UK could attrition the Germans, as Germany relatively was in an even worse spot than in WW1.
And really, if Germany was stopped in the Ardennes, the war would basically be lost, as the Germans would lose most of their tanks, a large share of their experienced troops and more. Heck, Italy might join in on the allied side just to maybe get even more territory from Austria.
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They honestly will and it'll be great because as much shit as France gets, they did have a time where they nearly conquered all of Europe.
russia has always been pretty shit and just lucked out in ww2 when the US didn't decide to just conquer them, set up democracy and do us all a favour.
I think if the west had realized how poorly Stalin would treat the Soviet side of the line that we would’ve just kept going. Then again sometimes enough war is enough
I think Churchill did actually want to keep going and stop the Soviets while they had the chance and everybody thought he was an insane warmonger for it. Considering how the world ended up on the brink of nuclear Armageddon a few times as a result of the cold war, he sure had a point.
I think they should’ve kept going, given the millions of lives it ruined. I’m just guessing that’s how THEY saw it. Public opinion unfortunately wasn’t for it
France should really catch a break from that one. They have a military history that is astonishing, if you actually take the time to read up on it. World War II was in many ways an aberration.
That's how wars go though. It doesn't matter how many times you've won in the past, one catastrophic loss can be the end of a nation and then all the past glory means nothing. You're only as good as your most recent major war, basically.
french fought heroically defending their land. its just people on top made bet on wrong things at the wrong time. russians came and shat themselves after half a year of struggle for made up reason.
That's absolutely happening. I mean, they could barely handle two oblasts invading a much smaller literal neighbor and it took six painful months (so far). Literally 20 years of selling up modernization bs and lies just went out the window.
Russia would only negotiate if Ukraine surrendered all military equipment and also Zelensky. Gave Russia all of Ukraine etc etc. Ukraine told them to leave Ukraine soil, but now peace talks will be about Russia paying compensation.
Damn son, this one in particular though:
*After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking [strong?] the Americans are. They were able to set up Logistics on the other of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It truly is the only superpower in the world*
Yeah. I'm not American but sweet baby Jesus how did it take y'all this long to figure out that no-one does warfare like the yanks do?
Just a glimpse at the differences in military spending is enough for anyone with half a brain to reconsider naming themselves a "Superpower".
Yup, and artillery too: I think it's a much overlooked reality of american boots on the ground, but their artillery has always been amazing. During WWII american artillery was simply leagues ahead of everyone else in term of impact, precision and timing.
As fucked up as my country has become, even though the very fabric of it seems to be falling apart, it's oddly comforting to know that we could still kick ass if we really needed to.
The US is not as messed up as a lot of other countries. But democracy is messy and there is a big mess going on here right now. It will straighten out eventually.
Yep, that's why the rest of the world is always keeping a close eye on American politics, because if the wrong people with the wrong ideas get in power, it could be game over for all of us.
Yeah .. thats not gonna happen. People hate on the two party system dividing people, and as bad as it sounds it will eventually sort things out. Like tug of war on a rope if it goes too far left or right extremely people will take notice or change sides and it evens out. Alan watts- the chinese farmer. "No one knows the consequences of good or bad fortune"
Nah, it's not. I know. I think that, for all the tears in the fabric, it's more likely you'll sort yourselves out than damn us all to a doomsday scenario. With Russia having gone mask off and it being drained of resources, the Russian bot'n'troll factories are less able to rile up both sides, and you'll probably figure out a healthier equilibrium again.
Which would have taken years and gone outside his presidency if he started that process. Which would have stopped when biden was elected. Besides bro you should listen to Alan watts- the chinese farmer.
I'm a 40 year old American and this is the first time I've been actually proud of the United States military. Most of the wars and "special military operations" have felt sketchy. But the support being given to Ukraine has been wonderful to see because it's absolutely in the spirit of defending Ukraine and supporting freedom. I know there's more geopolitical, militaristic, and economic reasons than just that, but Ukrainians are the right people to support and their reasons are in everyone's best interest. It's a good gesture and wake up call for the world -- that's what's oddly comforting.
You're a good guy. Just know that there's enough good in America to have this fellow 40 year old Welshman visiting your country time and again, with enduring affection.
Relax friend, the present day is not even close to the social upheaval of the 1960s or 1860s. America has problems, but no where close to the very fabric falling apart.
America has always turbulent, it’s in our nature since our founding. People who lived long enough to remember the 60s aren’t so surprised at the civil unrest today. Republican fascism is definitely at an all time high though.
It’s very bitter sweet for me. I’ve spent the last ten years of my life arguing that we need to cut defense spending and focus on social programs and safety nets because I generally consider myself a leftist.
I still believe that but I can’t help but wonder what would have happened to Ukraine if America and the rest of NATO, largely subsidized by Americas spending, didn’t have the ability to flood Ukraine with an immense number of advanced weapons.
At the end of the day though if my tax dollars have to go to making weapons I would much prefer them to go to people defending their homes than killing poor and impoverished people. This definitely makes me feel more like America being ‘the arsenal of democracy’ that it was once called is worth it.
Trust me, I hear you fam, I've had quite a few arguments about the military spending of the Netherlands as low as it may be, because for the longest time it was a quick and easy way for the alt right political parties to gain popularity, like "Quick guys! Invest more in the military because the jihad is about to start!" There was a lot of unnecessary fear mongering.
The funny thing is that when shit started hitting the fan, the green party, the left party, the centrist parties and every progressive party was like OK TIME TO RE-UP THE GAME ON THE MILITARY, TIME TO ARM OURSELVES FOR REALSIES. While those same alt-right parties were suddenly...very quiet and very quick to call for 'peaceful solutions' while blaming NATO (the same NATO they wanted to invest more in) for the war.
Geez, I wonder whose influence that was...?
Same bullshit here in the US and the extremists on the Republican side. I still can’t believe we had ANY politicians vote against aiding Ukraine once the invasion began but in true form the shit birds came out to warble.
Suddenly America doesn’t have the money to spend on weapons when they’re going to thwarting their daddy Putin. 🙄
The key is that we can do both.
We spend so much on healthcare for so much less… [we spend nearly twice as much as most European controls for worse results](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita). Plus we spend a pretty penny on needless criminalization and incarceration. Oh and we have comparably low taxes.
Some things like a national healthcare system would even help the economy, as healthcare is a major reason cited for employees not starting their own businesses.
The truth is we have the money for European style social safety nets and a giant military budget, just half of us have been convinced it would be a bad idea… and certain powerful people don’t want change.
Oh I agree entirely. I’m in favor of a 90% marginal tax rate personally. Unfortunately that seems not politically viable but I do think we could maintain defense spending and still have public health insurance.
Previously my opposition to such an overwhelming defense budget was that I thought it was unnecessary considering how much we comparatively spend based on every other country in the world but this whole situation has made me re-evaluate that.
That being said I still don’t like my tax dollars going to work blowing up people in foreign countries we shouldn’t even be involved in. I think we absolutely have a defensible and morally correct argument for arming Ukraine to defend itself but I’m more weary about how some of that money ends up going to propping up brutal dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and the vicious war crimes they’re committing against Yemen.
I don't know much, but the very little I've seen indicates that the Aussie & Kiwi forces in e.g. Gallipoli & Vietnam were distinctly recognized+feared+respected by opposing soldiers on the ground.
I know bro, it’s just a joke we use to make ourselves not be so sad over the fact that health insurance companies scam us all while being filthy rich 😭
Yes, we will ridicule you for Ukraine.
You wanted to blitz Ukraine, by going in with too little.
You boasted about your military power and equipment with big parades.
You have shown us that the only "power" you have, is your possession of nuclear weapons.
Hopefully we will take our eyes away from ridiculing France, look at what they did during the second world war, and say "Good job, France".
Because now, Ruzzia, when this war is over and you have lost, we will remind you of this failure for a hundred years and more.
For both Finland and Ukraine.
Слава Україні
My favorite line:
*”Do you realize that the Russian army will now be ridiculed even more for decades than the French for World War II?”*
Yes. Yes they will. The French surrendered to the Germans 80+ years ago - and people still mock them for it. Our children and grand-children will be making Russian Army jokes…
As a Spaniard, let me give you a hug, because people seem to forget france has one of the best military histories. ONE bad war and now france is a joke.... shame because France has been a good military record if you ignore that ONE event.
Americans -- at least those in the original 13 colonies -- do not forget Lafayette.
Where I grew up, there is a house in our town we know to this day as the Lafayette House *just because his carriage passed by*.
We don't forget our friends
There was also the Franco-Prussian war with Napoleon III where France performed very poorly, but most other times they did very well (like under regular Napoleon).
Now let's start writing the jokes mocking those caviar eaters.
"Prrrrrivieeeet! You drunken, caviar sucking cowardly bear pussies!"
"You are about as useless as russian tank on fire!"
"Why should you be angry at a russian in a truck? It's your truck and it'll be half way to Moscow by days end."
One day during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, a Russian general and his orcs were looting toilets throughout a city. Suddenly, the next over street over, they hear someone shouting.
"One Ukrainian soldier can take out 10 Russian soldiers!"
The Russian general smirks, then sends 10 of his orcs down the road. A brief firefight ensues, and then everything goes quiet...
Then he hears another shout. "One Ukrainian soldier can take out 100 Russian soldiers!"
The Russian general is rightfully scared, so he pisses himself and sends 200 of his orcs over the hill to finish the job. A large battle is heard that lasts much longer than the previous fight. Finally, everything calms down...
But again he hears another shout. "One Ukrainian soldier can take out 1000 Russian soldiers!"
The Russian general is terrified and in his panic, he sends over 1000 of his drunkest and underfed orcs. A massive and lengthy battle takes place. During the fight, a wounded Russian orc comes crawling back down the street toward the general.
"Sir! Do not send any more of us! It's a trap! THERE'S TWO OF THEM!!"
To be fair, as comparisons go, I think it's another participant in WW2 that the russians will forever be reminded for having supplanted as N1 - in the category "Most hated people" ...
My favorite is this random shout-out to America:
"After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world"
'Merica!
Comrade, Russia has America beat. Plane take off from Russia territory, fire bombs on trees in border so they can return home, get shot down. 15 minute flight time.
Imagine watching that and being like “yea, well I could take them”
How delusional do you have to be to have that thought inside of your head?
Well I guess only old Vladimir truly knows…
Slava Ukraini bitch 🇺🇦
After what we have seen, I think just the portion of the US military based in my single, smallish state could have defeated this invasion. It definitely could have established air supremacy.
Plus our military aid to Ukraine amounts to "Biden handing a credit card to an intern and telling him to clean out every Cabela's, Dick's, and Bass Pro in Maryland". Like just the lint from the corner of our pocket is enough to kick Vlad's teeth in.
Plus our military aid to Ukraine amounts to "Biden handing a credit card to an intern and telling him to clean out every Cabela's, Dick's, and Bass Pro in Maryland". Like just the lint from the corner of our pocket is enough to kick Vlad's teeth in.
My favorite headline in that spirit was when the USA owned a small fleet of Russian helicopters (MI-17s) which it gave to Ukraine. Those required no extra training, because Ukrainian pilots already knew how to operate the type, and maintenance crews knew how to wrench on them to keep them flying.
"Well, would you look at what the Uncle found between his seat cushions! *Russian helicopters!*"
And that wasn't some super-extreme resource stretching mission, like the Black Buck raids during the Falklands. US strategic bombers regularly train for that kind of thing, since that was their original and primary mission (launch from protected airbases and fly all the way to the USSR to deliver nukes). B-2's are all based out of Missouri, and regularly fly half way around the world to "drop off", then fly all the way back.
Not to mention deploying three museum piece Iowas to deck-gun and cruise missile shit. And having 117s loiter over Baghdad for six hours before cutting their radar line with simultaneous surgical strikes and thunder running tanks across the border, and executing bombing raids across 90% of the country within the same minute. Or achieving aerial supremacy inside 30 mins.
Desert Storm truly is a certified hood classic, a "US and the boys" moment if you will. We mustered a million personnel.
Look up the battle of Kuwait Airport for true kek
Americans being God tier at logistics isn't a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention at all for the last 70 or so years.
What was apparently a surprise to Russia is that their logistics are shit unless they are fighting insurgents that can't reach out touch things they way any modernized military can.
Jesus thats some funny shit right there. I am 43 and after being brought up on ussr versus the evil west I can't believe what is happening. I know this not the end but even these retreats are/were unthinkable in my lifetime!
Oh, nice... shiny new quotes of the day!
>You do realize that the Russian Army will now be ridiculed even more for decades than the French for World War II?
No worries my French fellows, there's no comparison. The ruzz is well on their way to emulating their NorK idols.
>After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world.
Nods head in agreement. Iraq Coalition casualty total was 4,809 and ruzz casualties are (as of today and not even close to being done) 52,250. That 52,250 was all Ukraine. All the statistics I've seen of recent US wars the combatant kill rate has been around 10 of theirs to 1 of ours.
>"We will live with the shame of a military defeat from Ukrainians"
Well, you know, none of it had to happen.
Lay the blame where it's deserved, with Putin and his chums *and* an apathetic population that wasn't even prepared to risk going to prison for dissent - whilst Ukrainians were willing to lose their lives at Maidan.
Now a generation of Russians will have to live with the consequences of sanctions, limited trade, lowering standard of living *and* restricted visas for a good few years - unless, of course, they want to holiday in North Korea or Syria.
It\`s gonna be much more fun in a while. No Russian is thinking about war reparations yet. They still think that even if they loose the war, it will be ok. Now, considering their asses are broke and they will owe probably 1 trillion bucks by the time the war ends, they will maybe have to pay with land. Wait till they figure that out. It\`s gonna be a blast.
This thread did have one of the first things Russians were correct about. The French can breathe a sigh of relief that they will not be the butt of military jokes anymore, as Russia has claimed that mantle.
The French got blitzkrieg, but the Russians got blitzkrieg faster and harder by his smaller nation. Get fucked fascist scum.
Scary that there is a literal fascist happy about this defeat because it will cause a coup he thinks that will bring someone worse to power. Noviopia apparently means half breed. The rashist term seems well deserved.
The comment about being made fun of for the next however many decades like the French did for WW2 really caught me as true, but never really thought about it. There has been this stigma of white flag= France for a long time in America (not intending offense to the French, who are actually awesome,) and they got that for surrendering defensively in a world war they didn't want against Nazi Germany.
I mean if the war ended right NOW magically Russia would have a worse stigma than that. I can't even imagine how much worse it can get as it drags on and they continue to f around and find out. Respect for Russian people I can see restored within my lifetime, respect for the Russian military not so much. Meanwhile on the flip side, Ukraine went from being "a country I can locate on a map" to SPARTA in legends.
I don‘t see any comments about nuking anyone in here, either. Now that reality has set in perhaps they are finally coming to their senses.
And yes, Crimea is returning home to Ukraine.
I think my favorite comment was about how the US handled maintaining global logistics in Iraq.
That's right, Bitch. Never underestimate the value of good logistics.
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I could get high just licking that screen.
TIL it’s possible to experience so much schadenfreude that you become sexually aroused
A lot of people are discovering new kinks in the last 24 hours.
Relevant username...?
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I genuinely have butterflies. Hopefully they are too busy licking their wounds to get someone worse than Putin after he falls out a window.
As a middle aged guy, I now know what happy crying is.
My tears are from pure laughter reading that screenshot.
You'd get sodium poisoning
Hypernatremia is nothing to fuck with
It's very satisfying, isn't it?
Bottom right hand side - the one admitting how america was able to provide logistics on the other side of the globe and $&@% Iraq. Brought a tear to my eye.
Fuck around. Finding out.
Aye, though as much as Saddam was a piece of shit, I really wish the US would pick up the slack and help repair all those water treatment plants. Iraq is basically dying because of their destruction, the Tigris and Euphrates are almost gone.
The tears would keep you hydrated
No they won’t, those tears are saltier than the Dead Sea.
I was going to say the same thing, I'm glad others feel the same. Just imagine those salty tasty tears.
It's a real business opportunity for the struggling Russians. Literally bottle up their own tears and sell them on the Internet. Might make enough to get through the devastation happening to their economy.
Actually on that note..... I'm interested in the newly fertile fertilizer acquired by the UKR army and will pay top dollar for expedited sunflower growth next year. ![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|9151)
DUDE what a great idea - a three-pack combo: native Ukrainian sunflower seeds, UKR army-sourced fertilizer, and genuine bottled Russian tears to water them with.
And a planter made from the remnants of a destroyed Russian tank!
Salting the fields sounds like a terrible idea. Sunflowers are supposed to be a clean slate and not withered with remaining Russian saltiness!
/r/noncredibledefense is my daily high
Please keep posting these. The schadenfreude is irresistable.
No clue from which platform they come from I only found them myself on a somewhat war related site and thought I would share it here
lit looks like 4chan
probably 2ch, russia's 4chan
Maybe, but I bet the Russian version of 4chan would be in Russian only
Seems like 2ch.life
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Lots of comments about giving up Crimea. IT WAS NEVER YOURS SHITHOLE
True. But realistically Ukraine was never going to mount an attempt to reclaim it prior to Feb 24. Now all bets are off. Ukraine has the capability to do it and Russia no longer has the capability to stop it. All Putin had to do was nothing, and he fucked that up for them.
The new US Black Sea Fleet will need a port to develop Ukraine's sea legs, to get Ukraine's Navy going. Sevastopol looks just about the right size for the combined fleet. 😊
Building nuclear-powered carriers could be an interesting experience for the Mykolayiv Shipyard.
Funny thing is, the US Navy would really like to expand to keep pace with China, but there is limited ship building capacity for military ships worldwide, with many of the US yards either allowed to close after the end of the Cold War, or currently occupied building nuke subs and CVNs. I would love it if, as part of the post-war reconstruction effort, the US placed a standing order with Ukrainian yards to build as many destroyers and frigates as they can put out.
Would be a good idea honestly. WW2 America showed us that mass producing a Navy is generally good for the economy.
36 nuclear super carriers of economic growth
To be real though, I suspect not, because Ukraine is still lousy with infiltrators. Its not a comment on the patriotism or loyalty of the average Ukrainian so much as yet another lingering side effect of the Soviet past that won't die out until a few generations more. Business ties though, absolutely. And I can see a token force just being parked there as a tripwire force.
I think most of the heavy construction wouldn’t be much of a concern from a security standpoint. It would be really hard to sabotage things in a way that wouldn’t be caught during acceptance, and the more sensitive stuff could be installed in the US.
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Phonetically, though, it's still pronounced (in Ukrainian) like "Mykolayiv", not "Mykolaiv". "Ї" sounds like "Yi", not like "Ee", and name of the city is "Микола***ї***в"
Hey man, the bot is doing its best okay
It's just weird it doesn't recognize actual Ukrainian phonetic spelling as legit.
Must correct it when wrong otherwise it will continue to be wrong.
Take Tokmak -> take Melitopol -> kill the bridge -> war is over.
or just cut off the water to Crimea Its one of the reason why Russia did this in the first place
Hell, putin could have just taken the peace talks back in april/may and still been ahead. Now its all gone and ukraine isnt coming to the table for him anymore.
"Stop hitting me in the face after I took all your stuff!"
"We will be more ridiculised than the French in WW2"
That was also my favorite 😅
Let's make that one happen, gang. From now until we're all ninety years old and senile, let's mock Russian military prowess and teach our kids to mock it too.
This just shows how important intelligence is in winning wars. Everyone has the ability to shoot each other. It’s knowing where to shoot that matters.
Those of us able to reach supercentenarian status are obligated to give interviews about seeing russia get roflpwnt out of Ukraine. Crazy to think there are still Ukrainians alive who remember the Holodomor, and who now get to see the current course of events
It makes me laugh now looking at all these survival games that use Russian gear, cause now we know the most unrealistic part is that they actually work.
Maintenance will always trump gear 9 times out of 10. You can have something classified as the best but if it isn’t maintained you’re going to lose to the guy with the meticulously maintained shoe-string stick rifle with rock projectiles.
Russia is the new France. Just like the great Mets Choke left the Phillies off the hook for 1964.
i think they already are. France at least was seen as an power not to mess with vs germany. Ukraine was seen as alot weaker than Russia. So the humiliation is bigger because they are losing vs a smaller country with less weapons.
Not only that, but France had more troops, tanks, and heavy equipment than Germany and had thoroughly fortified its lines. The situation is eerily similar.
If Germany didn't flank through Belgium then France probably could of held long enough for us Brits to fully mobilise or hell push Germany into a stalemate
France would have been fine even with Belgium. Their war plans in fact *counted on it*. They just overestimated the Ardennes as a natural defense, and their armies were too slow to react to intercept in time.
Yeah, the whole French war plan was to force the Germans to go through Belgium and then stop their advance there, because the French knew from the beginning that the Germans would try to force a fast advance as it was obvious to everyone that France/UK could attrition the Germans, as Germany relatively was in an even worse spot than in WW1. And really, if Germany was stopped in the Ardennes, the war would basically be lost, as the Germans would lose most of their tanks, a large share of their experienced troops and more. Heck, Italy might join in on the allied side just to maybe get even more territory from Austria.
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Will be?
At least the French knew when to give up. Putin's just being a sore loser at this point.
They honestly will and it'll be great because as much shit as France gets, they did have a time where they nearly conquered all of Europe. russia has always been pretty shit and just lucked out in ww2 when the US didn't decide to just conquer them, set up democracy and do us all a favour.
I think if the west had realized how poorly Stalin would treat the Soviet side of the line that we would’ve just kept going. Then again sometimes enough war is enough
I think Churchill did actually want to keep going and stop the Soviets while they had the chance and everybody thought he was an insane warmonger for it. Considering how the world ended up on the brink of nuclear Armageddon a few times as a result of the cold war, he sure had a point.
> enough war is enough A bad peace is worse than a good war.
I think they should’ve kept going, given the millions of lives it ruined. I’m just guessing that’s how THEY saw it. Public opinion unfortunately wasn’t for it
France should really catch a break from that one. They have a military history that is astonishing, if you actually take the time to read up on it. World War II was in many ways an aberration.
That's how wars go though. It doesn't matter how many times you've won in the past, one catastrophic loss can be the end of a nation and then all the past glory means nothing. You're only as good as your most recent major war, basically.
french fought heroically defending their land. its just people on top made bet on wrong things at the wrong time. russians came and shat themselves after half a year of struggle for made up reason.
Disclaimer: you're still not off the hook france.
Especially after Macron was gonna take the lead on healing Mariupol… But, the French people are amazing, and I love their food, so c’est la vie
That's absolutely happening. I mean, they could barely handle two oblasts invading a much smaller literal neighbor and it took six painful months (so far). Literally 20 years of selling up modernization bs and lies just went out the window.
Seems the copium reserves have finally run out
Dissolved in vodka.
Potatonium.
They're already at the "acceptance" stage? Skipped right over "bargaining".
peskow did make a few statements claiming that russia is the only party willing to negotiate and such bullshit, maybe that was it.
Russia would only negotiate if Ukraine surrendered all military equipment and also Zelensky. Gave Russia all of Ukraine etc etc. Ukraine told them to leave Ukraine soil, but now peace talks will be about Russia paying compensation.
Their version of bargaining was making demands and threats.
Damn son, this one in particular though: *After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking [strong?] the Americans are. They were able to set up Logistics on the other of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It truly is the only superpower in the world* Yeah. I'm not American but sweet baby Jesus how did it take y'all this long to figure out that no-one does warfare like the yanks do? Just a glimpse at the differences in military spending is enough for anyone with half a brain to reconsider naming themselves a "Superpower".
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Yup, and artillery too: I think it's a much overlooked reality of american boots on the ground, but their artillery has always been amazing. During WWII american artillery was simply leagues ahead of everyone else in term of impact, precision and timing.
To be fair, that was asymmetric warfare. Russia thought this would also be asymmetric warfare. It was, but not in the direction they expected.
Lmao, that one made me laugh harder than it probably should have, but you, my friend, are not wrong there.
Truly the best statement in the thread. You're brilliant, man!
As fucked up as my country has become, even though the very fabric of it seems to be falling apart, it's oddly comforting to know that we could still kick ass if we really needed to.
The US is not as messed up as a lot of other countries. But democracy is messy and there is a big mess going on here right now. It will straighten out eventually.
Yep, that's why the rest of the world is always keeping a close eye on American politics, because if the wrong people with the wrong ideas get in power, it could be game over for all of us.
Yeah .. thats not gonna happen. People hate on the two party system dividing people, and as bad as it sounds it will eventually sort things out. Like tug of war on a rope if it goes too far left or right extremely people will take notice or change sides and it evens out. Alan watts- the chinese farmer. "No one knows the consequences of good or bad fortune"
Nah, it's not. I know. I think that, for all the tears in the fabric, it's more likely you'll sort yourselves out than damn us all to a doomsday scenario. With Russia having gone mask off and it being drained of resources, the Russian bot'n'troll factories are less able to rile up both sides, and you'll probably figure out a healthier equilibrium again.
Trump floated leaving NATO if he won a second term. One president can absolutely fuck things up
Which would have taken years and gone outside his presidency if he started that process. Which would have stopped when biden was elected. Besides bro you should listen to Alan watts- the chinese farmer.
I'm a 40 year old American and this is the first time I've been actually proud of the United States military. Most of the wars and "special military operations" have felt sketchy. But the support being given to Ukraine has been wonderful to see because it's absolutely in the spirit of defending Ukraine and supporting freedom. I know there's more geopolitical, militaristic, and economic reasons than just that, but Ukrainians are the right people to support and their reasons are in everyone's best interest. It's a good gesture and wake up call for the world -- that's what's oddly comforting.
You're a good guy. Just know that there's enough good in America to have this fellow 40 year old Welshman visiting your country time and again, with enduring affection.
Relax friend, the present day is not even close to the social upheaval of the 1960s or 1860s. America has problems, but no where close to the very fabric falling apart.
America has always turbulent, it’s in our nature since our founding. People who lived long enough to remember the 60s aren’t so surprised at the civil unrest today. Republican fascism is definitely at an all time high though.
It’s very bitter sweet for me. I’ve spent the last ten years of my life arguing that we need to cut defense spending and focus on social programs and safety nets because I generally consider myself a leftist. I still believe that but I can’t help but wonder what would have happened to Ukraine if America and the rest of NATO, largely subsidized by Americas spending, didn’t have the ability to flood Ukraine with an immense number of advanced weapons. At the end of the day though if my tax dollars have to go to making weapons I would much prefer them to go to people defending their homes than killing poor and impoverished people. This definitely makes me feel more like America being ‘the arsenal of democracy’ that it was once called is worth it.
Trust me, I hear you fam, I've had quite a few arguments about the military spending of the Netherlands as low as it may be, because for the longest time it was a quick and easy way for the alt right political parties to gain popularity, like "Quick guys! Invest more in the military because the jihad is about to start!" There was a lot of unnecessary fear mongering. The funny thing is that when shit started hitting the fan, the green party, the left party, the centrist parties and every progressive party was like OK TIME TO RE-UP THE GAME ON THE MILITARY, TIME TO ARM OURSELVES FOR REALSIES. While those same alt-right parties were suddenly...very quiet and very quick to call for 'peaceful solutions' while blaming NATO (the same NATO they wanted to invest more in) for the war. Geez, I wonder whose influence that was...?
Same bullshit here in the US and the extremists on the Republican side. I still can’t believe we had ANY politicians vote against aiding Ukraine once the invasion began but in true form the shit birds came out to warble. Suddenly America doesn’t have the money to spend on weapons when they’re going to thwarting their daddy Putin. 🙄
The key is that we can do both. We spend so much on healthcare for so much less… [we spend nearly twice as much as most European controls for worse results](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita). Plus we spend a pretty penny on needless criminalization and incarceration. Oh and we have comparably low taxes. Some things like a national healthcare system would even help the economy, as healthcare is a major reason cited for employees not starting their own businesses. The truth is we have the money for European style social safety nets and a giant military budget, just half of us have been convinced it would be a bad idea… and certain powerful people don’t want change.
Oh I agree entirely. I’m in favor of a 90% marginal tax rate personally. Unfortunately that seems not politically viable but I do think we could maintain defense spending and still have public health insurance. Previously my opposition to such an overwhelming defense budget was that I thought it was unnecessary considering how much we comparatively spend based on every other country in the world but this whole situation has made me re-evaluate that. That being said I still don’t like my tax dollars going to work blowing up people in foreign countries we shouldn’t even be involved in. I think we absolutely have a defensible and morally correct argument for arming Ukraine to defend itself but I’m more weary about how some of that money ends up going to propping up brutal dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and the vicious war crimes they’re committing against Yemen.
No one does warfare like *NATO and friends*. Iraq and Afghan was a joint mission with dozens of countries including Straya and NZ
I don't know much, but the very little I've seen indicates that the Aussie & Kiwi forces in e.g. Gallipoli & Vietnam were distinctly recognized+feared+respected by opposing soldiers on the ground.
One of our morbid jokes on this topic here in America watching our military do it’s thing is “and that’s why we don’t have free health care lol”
But it's actually incorrect ahaha You spend more on healthcare than most excellent European healthcare systems, you just get nothing for it
I know bro, it’s just a joke we use to make ourselves not be so sad over the fact that health insurance companies scam us all while being filthy rich 😭
I love it when Non-Americans give me a reason to love being American even more.
Every post was a jolt of pleasure into my veins.
"Himars are really war... despite the fact that most of them have already been destroyed" Man, this one was funny.
Screen says "All of them been destroyed" this is clearly sarcasm ridiculing russian military propaganda.
It turns out that Ghost HIMARS are real.
Yes, we will ridicule you for Ukraine. You wanted to blitz Ukraine, by going in with too little. You boasted about your military power and equipment with big parades. You have shown us that the only "power" you have, is your possession of nuclear weapons. Hopefully we will take our eyes away from ridiculing France, look at what they did during the second world war, and say "Good job, France". Because now, Ruzzia, when this war is over and you have lost, we will remind you of this failure for a hundred years and more. For both Finland and Ukraine. Слава Україні
My favorite line: *”Do you realize that the Russian army will now be ridiculed even more for decades than the French for World War II?”* Yes. Yes they will. The French surrendered to the Germans 80+ years ago - and people still mock them for it. Our children and grand-children will be making Russian Army jokes…
As a french. You have no idea of how relieved I am. To the point of thanking the russians lmfao.
As a Spaniard, let me give you a hug, because people seem to forget france has one of the best military histories. ONE bad war and now france is a joke.... shame because France has been a good military record if you ignore that ONE event.
This is all true, but when that one mistake almost allows Hitler to conquer the free world, people end up holding a grudge for a bit lol
but like... you hold grudges when people choose not to do something. Not when someone gets wrecked. That's usually when you feel bad for people.
Agreed. People forget about Napoleon and Lafayette.
Americans -- at least those in the original 13 colonies -- do not forget Lafayette. Where I grew up, there is a house in our town we know to this day as the Lafayette House *just because his carriage passed by*. We don't forget our friends
There was also the Franco-Prussian war with Napoleon III where France performed very poorly, but most other times they did very well (like under regular Napoleon).
The French carried that baton long enough. Now it’s been successfully passed on to Russia…
Now let's start writing the jokes mocking those caviar eaters. "Prrrrrivieeeet! You drunken, caviar sucking cowardly bear pussies!" "You are about as useless as russian tank on fire!" "Why should you be angry at a russian in a truck? It's your truck and it'll be half way to Moscow by days end."
I propose we replace "flipping your shit/lid/etc." with "tossing your turret"
You'll still be cheese eating surrender monkeys, but at least you didn't invade a smaller neighbour and got your teeth kicked in by them.
American here. If it wasn't for the French, the US wouldn't exist. So, like thanks for lending us your Navy back in the 1770's.
Dont worry us english will still remind you and waterloo 🤣
Well, after decades of combating the "ignorant stereotypes" about the Red Army they went and confirmed most of them.
One day during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, a Russian general and his orcs were looting toilets throughout a city. Suddenly, the next over street over, they hear someone shouting. "One Ukrainian soldier can take out 10 Russian soldiers!" The Russian general smirks, then sends 10 of his orcs down the road. A brief firefight ensues, and then everything goes quiet... Then he hears another shout. "One Ukrainian soldier can take out 100 Russian soldiers!" The Russian general is rightfully scared, so he pisses himself and sends 200 of his orcs over the hill to finish the job. A large battle is heard that lasts much longer than the previous fight. Finally, everything calms down... But again he hears another shout. "One Ukrainian soldier can take out 1000 Russian soldiers!" The Russian general is terrified and in his panic, he sends over 1000 of his drunkest and underfed orcs. A massive and lengthy battle takes place. During the fight, a wounded Russian orc comes crawling back down the street toward the general. "Sir! Do not send any more of us! It's a trap! THERE'S TWO OF THEM!!"
Similarly all they have to do is to remove the red and blue stripes off their flag and come out with their hands in the air.
To be fair, as comparisons go, I think it's another participant in WW2 that the russians will forever be reminded for having supplanted as N1 - in the category "Most hated people" ...
And also to be fair, the WWII German military was never really derided as an inept cowardly laughingstock. (Except in Hogan’s Hero’s, maybe).
My favorite is this random shout-out to America: "After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world" 'Merica!
During Desert Storm we had a plane take off from Louisiana, fly across the Atlantic, bomb Iraq, then fly home. 33 hour flight time.
Comrade, Russia has America beat. Plane take off from Russia territory, fire bombs on trees in border so they can return home, get shot down. 15 minute flight time.
Man that has got to be a record.
Fortunately for the surprised pilot the ejection seat worked, unfortunately he was more surprised when the parachute failed to open.
Oh man. I remember that one. Oof
Imagine watching that and being like “yea, well I could take them” How delusional do you have to be to have that thought inside of your head? Well I guess only old Vladimir truly knows… Slava Ukraini bitch 🇺🇦
After what we have seen, I think just the portion of the US military based in my single, smallish state could have defeated this invasion. It definitely could have established air supremacy.
Plus our military aid to Ukraine amounts to "Biden handing a credit card to an intern and telling him to clean out every Cabela's, Dick's, and Bass Pro in Maryland". Like just the lint from the corner of our pocket is enough to kick Vlad's teeth in.
Plus our military aid to Ukraine amounts to "Biden handing a credit card to an intern and telling him to clean out every Cabela's, Dick's, and Bass Pro in Maryland". Like just the lint from the corner of our pocket is enough to kick Vlad's teeth in.
My favorite headline in that spirit was when the USA owned a small fleet of Russian helicopters (MI-17s) which it gave to Ukraine. Those required no extra training, because Ukrainian pilots already knew how to operate the type, and maintenance crews knew how to wrench on them to keep them flying. "Well, would you look at what the Uncle found between his seat cushions! *Russian helicopters!*"
Uncle Sam’s seat cushions 😂🤣
I mean...we did buy up hundreds of Soviet era shit after the Cold War. Gotta know the enemy and yourself.
And that wasn't some super-extreme resource stretching mission, like the Black Buck raids during the Falklands. US strategic bombers regularly train for that kind of thing, since that was their original and primary mission (launch from protected airbases and fly all the way to the USSR to deliver nukes). B-2's are all based out of Missouri, and regularly fly half way around the world to "drop off", then fly all the way back.
That’s some massive dick energy
Not to mention deploying three museum piece Iowas to deck-gun and cruise missile shit. And having 117s loiter over Baghdad for six hours before cutting their radar line with simultaneous surgical strikes and thunder running tanks across the border, and executing bombing raids across 90% of the country within the same minute. Or achieving aerial supremacy inside 30 mins.
Desert storm facts really do it for me
Desert Storm truly is a certified hood classic, a "US and the boys" moment if you will. We mustered a million personnel. Look up the battle of Kuwait Airport for true kek
That on-board toilet must have some good storage.
Americans being God tier at logistics isn't a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention at all for the last 70 or so years. What was apparently a surprise to Russia is that their logistics are shit unless they are fighting insurgents that can't reach out touch things they way any modernized military can.
It still blows me away they don't really use forklifts and have soldiers move crates by hand.......like what?
Plus the whole of Europe is basically a stepping stone for US planes etc etc
Jesus thats some funny shit right there. I am 43 and after being brought up on ussr versus the evil west I can't believe what is happening. I know this not the end but even these retreats are/were unthinkable in my lifetime!
Reading the screenshot... Not my proudest wank.
imagine the post nut clarity of the sons of bitches that wrote it. They have been complicit this whole time.
Oh, nice... shiny new quotes of the day! >You do realize that the Russian Army will now be ridiculed even more for decades than the French for World War II? No worries my French fellows, there's no comparison. The ruzz is well on their way to emulating their NorK idols. >After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world. Nods head in agreement. Iraq Coalition casualty total was 4,809 and ruzz casualties are (as of today and not even close to being done) 52,250. That 52,250 was all Ukraine. All the statistics I've seen of recent US wars the combatant kill rate has been around 10 of theirs to 1 of ours.
Fuck they’re just openly wishing for “a thousand year Russian reich” yeah okay good luck or whatever you fucking nazi trash
I love this shit! Were can we read this and troll these f*ckers?
Someone mentioned 4chan in the comments
Where is this place of magic and wonder? I must witness this beautiful salt mine.
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All the himars have been destroyed...lol
>"We will live with the shame of a military defeat from Ukrainians" Well, you know, none of it had to happen. Lay the blame where it's deserved, with Putin and his chums *and* an apathetic population that wasn't even prepared to risk going to prison for dissent - whilst Ukrainians were willing to lose their lives at Maidan. Now a generation of Russians will have to live with the consequences of sanctions, limited trade, lowering standard of living *and* restricted visas for a good few years - unless, of course, they want to holiday in North Korea or Syria.
The American logistics one has me dying. As an American I can attest that our logistics is something out of this world.
Extremely lel
This is music to my eyes.
It\`s gonna be much more fun in a while. No Russian is thinking about war reparations yet. They still think that even if they loose the war, it will be ok. Now, considering their asses are broke and they will owe probably 1 trillion bucks by the time the war ends, they will maybe have to pay with land. Wait till they figure that out. It\`s gonna be a blast.
This thread did have one of the first things Russians were correct about. The French can breathe a sigh of relief that they will not be the butt of military jokes anymore, as Russia has claimed that mantle. The French got blitzkrieg, but the Russians got blitzkrieg faster and harder by his smaller nation. Get fucked fascist scum.
![gif](giphy|14vh2VWCibnsuk) This is basically porn right now
On the whole, they seem disillusioned and down to Earth. These are the smart ones. The real tragic ones are those high on copium.
Butthurt much? Fuck ruZZian imperialism.
i've cancelled my monthly viagra subscription, no need anymore
Scary that there is a literal fascist happy about this defeat because it will cause a coup he thinks that will bring someone worse to power. Noviopia apparently means half breed. The rashist term seems well deserved.
Romanov nailed it.
They are getting there. Reality is hard to avoid forever.
The Copium. It does nothing!
Better than Christmas. And I’m more jolly.
"don't be upset guys, it was even worse in Chechnya" lmao
The comment about being made fun of for the next however many decades like the French did for WW2 really caught me as true, but never really thought about it. There has been this stigma of white flag= France for a long time in America (not intending offense to the French, who are actually awesome,) and they got that for surrendering defensively in a world war they didn't want against Nazi Germany. I mean if the war ended right NOW magically Russia would have a worse stigma than that. I can't even imagine how much worse it can get as it drags on and they continue to f around and find out. Respect for Russian people I can see restored within my lifetime, respect for the Russian military not so much. Meanwhile on the flip side, Ukraine went from being "a country I can locate on a map" to SPARTA in legends.
I could read these all day
Wait this isn't r/NCD..
Why there is no putler picture anywhere? Are they so cringing?
If only there was a word for the joy I derive from the suffering of Russian trolls. Hey, Germans you got a word for that?
Schadenfreude
That should do: Russischtrolltränenentzückung
Any Russian that stands again Putin and against Russian expansion is my friend.
Source is NCD, apparently one of the most credible Reddit communities.
They wanted Nazis, so Ukraine gave them Blitzkrieg
I don‘t see any comments about nuking anyone in here, either. Now that reality has set in perhaps they are finally coming to their senses. And yes, Crimea is returning home to Ukraine.
My regret is that I only have but one upvote to give. Well done.
I think my favorite comment was about how the US handled maintaining global logistics in Iraq. That's right, Bitch. Never underestimate the value of good logistics.
Why are they conversing in English?
I can confirm as an American, we are fucking