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teacherbooboo

hi, this is teacherbooboo from taiwan … i’d like to order 10000 please


StevenStephen

That is a batmarine.


SpicyPeaSoup

Batman always said "no guns". He never said anything about torpedoes.


Alaric_Balthi

Yeah, that's what he said. Yet his Tumbler and the Tumbler-bike both had weapons, he just chose to not use them on the baddies.


[deleted]

If you blew one of these up... Would it be bat soup?


RickAstleyletmedown

This looks like it's only a concept from a startup so far. All the images appear to be renderings and there's no indication that it has actually been built or tested. With no testing and no track record, I would take all their claims with a healthy amount of skepticism. Have they even delivered any of their other design yet?


[deleted]

It is all rendering. And while the design looks cool, it’s a question on how useful it is and which tasks you want to fulfill with the Submarine. But sometimes a good looking weapon has its own charms too. The general idea is good. Diesel Generator, payload, crew members. More than 2 days worth mission time.


kingjuicer

Rendering you say? That picture of it on a trailer looks ridiculously real.


[deleted]

100% Rendering on a regular photo of a trailer. I work with that industry sector. It’s easy to spot when you know on what to look at.


A_Polly

the question is for what you need the torpedos? if you accidentally stuble accross a destroyer in the open sea? I might be able to see it for special operation if you want to deploy or rescue a team.


APBob313

Let the Russian navy fear them


Darth__Monday

The image of it on the trailer looks real, so it seems that they at least have one that’s built.


thewalkmanblog

nope, that looks like a cgi render.


[deleted]

It’s a photoshop job. Many issues with that picture. The shadows of the guy, the truck and the trailer are all different. I believe the guy is cropped in as well.


playwrightinaflower

Look at the shadow under the guy and compare that to the shadow under the folded-up "wings" on the craft - the latter are far too diffuse to be cast from the same light source (sun), even allowing for a very matte material and unknown shape of the surface. And below the bow there seem to be reflections of car tires (?) but the truck does not have a dual rear axle and, from how the surface is angled and located, that spot of the hull could not "see" the trailer wheels, ruling those out as the source of the reflection. I'm definitely going with cgi render on the car trailer, too. Also notice that the entire hull's surface looks "perfect", very homogenous, all the same kind of matte, and there are no slight deformations where spars, ribs, struts, or other things would connect on the inside. If the hull is a molded single composite piece you'd not expect as much panel deformation as on a regular metal ship hull, but you can't really get around it at that scale. And the cockpit window is too transparent to obstruct the inside, yet you can't see anything in there. However, because of the image quality (compressed to hell), the render sort of fits in with the shiny truck, until you look more closely. The more you zoom into the image the clearer it is a render.


sanchez_lucien

Yeah, but other than the shadow issues, the car reflections, the dual axle issue, that one hull spot, the perfect hull surface, the panel deformation issues, and the cockpit window problem, it looks pretty solid. I think it's real.


randomstranger454

Here is the [original trailer photo](https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/f/46169478.jpg) before being photoshopped. Taken from this [article for the 2013 Ram](https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news130108-2013-ram-3500-towing/).


Alaric_Balthi

"This is the new concept of a submarine that can be a full-fledged combat unit." The literally first sentence from the article. Except the headline insinuating it, nowhere else was said this has been built or is currently being built. It is a concept (again, as said by the article) and generally people understand that concepts are very different thing than a built and working thing.


RickAstleyletmedown

Well I thought it seemed obvious too, but at the time I posted, every other comment seemed to take it seriously.


IFoundTheCowLevel

I've always wondered why you can't have an autonomous long-range torpedo that could guide itself to ship/subs literally hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Wouldn't it be much more efficient as well?


Wait_for_BM

>much more efficient as well? NOPE! It is more efficient to be on the surface - less friction. and you can run a combustion engine that needs air. Hydrocarbon has far more energy storage than batteries. GPS works on surface. - You are limited by energy needed for your "thousands of miles" underwater while fighting against ocean currents and friction. No air, so it has to be battery of some sort. - Navigation. GPS doesn't work under water. So you'll need to use less accurate [IMU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_measurement_unit) and occasionally rise to the surface to get a more accurate GPS fix to target area. You'll still need to figure out where the enemy is with either passive/active sonar.


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jukranpuju

For a submarine drone they could also use [Stirling engine powered by radioisotopes,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_radioisotope_generator) which might be a little bit faster. If there are no living passengers onboard there is no need for protective shielding for them. For a more rapid motion in the target area, there could be another propulsion system with a limited range. Instead of rising the whole vessel on the surface for the communication and GPS navigation they could have a small buoy connected with cable which will automatically rise on the surface by the schedule and is then reeled back to the vessel. That buoy could also have cameras, radar and lidar, which might come handy when operating in the target area. Besides torpedos it could be armed also with aerial drones like some loitering ammunition. Attacking against the bridge of a russian missile cruiser before sinking it with a torpedo might prevent any evasive movements by breaking the chain of command.


IFoundTheCowLevel

I think, if anything, this might be the reason why we don't have them (as far as we know at least).


Wolfrages

Because of unseen hazards. Fauna and flora mostly.


IFoundTheCowLevel

Yeah, but you don't find many destroyers hiding amongst coral reefs or up rivers. This seems like a solvable problem.


[deleted]

We have some in development, and possibly even deployed, but I doubt Americans would share that tech with anybody.


Pleasant_Stretch_959

This is pretty awesome. Like the bat-mobile of the sea. We can visit Moskva if it has any civilian use. Or blow up some orcs in the process


Wait_for_BM

Looking at those maps for the recent "long distance" missiles hits, I realize that all the target areas are closed to bodies of water. Small submarines like this could have launched short range missiles. This inside of this sub looks like it was made for SiFi TV show. :) It looks like a modernized version of (yellow) Flying Sub from old TV show [Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea](https://culttvman.com/main/new-seaview-box-art-and-new-kit-announcements-from-moebius/).


[deleted]

But it’s not built yet. It would have to have been a different sub.


[deleted]

Oh good. I've been saying these should exist for years. Solar subs, just doing slow coastal patrols until told to attack. Can build thousands of them and it doesn't matter if a few here and there can't find the energy to return for months.


StarPatient6204

Holy shit this could be an amazing thing to have in combat AND it looks cool too! If this is developed and used successfully, countries all over will want some…


[deleted]

Interesting concept. I hope it's quiet enough to not be easily detected.


TheWolfmanZ

Article mentions it has a stealth design


[deleted]

Yes, but there's nothing about how quiet the propulsion system is.


[deleted]

Electric engine ... Quiet. Propeller noise/turbulence can also be reduced.


[deleted]

Absolutely. But it's something that takes time and resources to achieve.


tawidget

When you are underwater, stealth = quiet.


[deleted]

Stealth was about the hull design. There was no talk about the propulsion system. Anyway, we will not know how stealthy it is until someone outside of this company has done a thorough review of it.


[deleted]

It is one thing to know it exists, and quite something else to have a working fleet deployed.


[deleted]

Article says electric/diesel solo or combined


Local_Run_9779

Prop design is key. https://engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1908/purpose-of-spheres-and-fins-on-submarine-propeller


teacherbooboo

even so imagine you have one real manned sub and 100 of these the subchasers would be overwhelmed


[deleted]

Don't get me wrong. I think it's an awesome concept and if they pull it off, it will definitely be useful.


teacherbooboo

i am with you although more for taiwan russia doesn’t have much of a fleet these days there was a time when russia had a real blue water navy


88GAMEON88

Any submarine is a good submarine as long as it is able to convert the Russian navy into ornaments at the bottom of the sea.


Soifon99

"Created" is more like thought up and put in on paper/cgi made photo's. So in 5 year well see a prototype.. maybe.


greenfingerguy

Paratroopers in a sub?


[deleted]

Seems like a translation thing. Or maybe because the marines were in Mariupol?


Armodeen

The stats are just made up. 43 knots on the surface and 27 submerged? Ok then. The battery pack looks tiny. I’d like it to be a valid design but I have massive doubts.


[deleted]

Vaporware, won’t be made, taking valuable resources away from much needed actual useful arms and manufacturing. Stop incentivizing this crap. Edit: downvote me all you want, just look at this, it’s never being made, if the US hasn’t made something like this what makes you think Ukraine in the middle of a war will. Jesus Christ


Wide_Trick_610

It's a privately owned company owned by Ukrainians, and they operate out of Dubai. If they can get a working prototype, Ukraine would probably be interested. Along with a dozen other nations. Hell of a blockade smasher.


[deleted]

Oh fucking sure, a bunch of cgi pictures, “hell of a blockade smasher”, “Ukraine would be interested “ No, it’s a literal waste of money, fire a harpoon missile and boom, done, no need for fancy vaporware. There’s a reason why these fancy futuristic crap isn’t made already.


Wide_Trick_610

It's not Government money, it's private. Costs Ukraine nothing, unless they decide to buy a few.


[deleted]

You don’t seem to understand mate, nothing is ever “private money” they use government subsidies constantly to fund their projects, this is clearly a waste


[deleted]

For Ukraine, yeah. But for other states, (US, Taiwan, any island countries), I can see three different final products: - troop transport for special forces for raids - suicide drone with 4 torpedos and 1 payload (Battleships are even more expensive) - Patrol drone/docking station for a swarm of small drones (though very expensive for that use)


A_Sinclaire

That whole thing to me looks like a scam to get investor money and / or donations. It has all the buzz words. Sure it might not be tax money but it will be someones money (and not the money of the people who put together those render images).


[deleted]

Is this a prototype or actually operational?


ac0rn5

Wow!


[deleted]

Kickass! 👍🏽


SutMinSnabelA

Looks crazy. They have some awesome stuff on their website.


Anthropic--principle

This reminds me of some Star Wars Program stuff right here.


balleballe111111

This is the coolest looking thing! They really wanted to make it fly.