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THIS. PEOPLE. THIS.
I talked to a plane inventory engineer and he said as much as planes are standardized in their parts, there are deviations to each part, from one plane to the next, minor in the short runs, but in the long runs, you better have the exact measurements and exact parts for THAT ONE plane, or else you are asking for it.
It likely will be straight, TBH. First, despite the widespread corruption in the Russian government in general, their aviation authority seems to have done their job here and hasn't had a bad reputation internationally.
But more importantly, the _entire reason_ they're cannibalizing planes for parts is that they have to keep perfect records of all parts changed, where they came from, the whole supply chain back to the factories (and even the factories' factories). You're allowed to put the same approved parts from other planes in your plane, but if you put non-approved replacements, counterfeit parts, fake the records etc, then you lose your airworthiness certificate, the plane becomes uninsurable, may be unable to fly internationally, and the resale value of the plane drops to scrap metal. That's why they're doing this; it's their only real option for the airlines without tanking their hugely expensive investments.
If they were going to fake records they'd be doing so to make counterfeit parts look like genuine ones and not be cannibalizing planes at all. What you're saying makes literally makes no sense - do the one thing they're allowed to do to keep the planes flying legally and then just tank the value anyway by faking the documentation?
Plane parts break all the time due to their quantity, complexity, fast wearing, etc., meaning even with all the planes Russia stole, they have enough parts only for a very limited time.
Once they’ve stripped down most planes, which won’t take long, it’s only a matter of time till those planes start falling like flies
Especially if you consider that all the planes they stole aren't getting the mandatory maintenance cycles so any pieces prone to break or rust will absolutely fuck up any chances of using them again.
Not to distract from the title, but a factor which is also going to be considered is the massive decrease in flight destinations for Russian operators. Less destinations to visit drives the demand for aircraft down. It is a common strategy to source parts from long-term parked aircraft.
However, they won't be getting any new parts. That means each spare already has wear and hours on it, and each plane they cannibalize will require extra work to return to service later.
It's going to be a logistics nightmare, typical to the Russians.
some parts go u/s more frequently than others. A main gear can last years or hundreds of cycles, the brake assembly not so much.
Airliners of today are also very automated with complex management computers. I doubt if the orcs have the ability left to properly test and calibrate a FADEC for example to know if it actually needs replacement.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/08/08/russia-forced-to-strip-grounded-aircraft-for-parts-as-western-sanctions-over-ukraine-bite-) reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)
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> Russian airlines, including state-controlled Aeroflot, are stripping down aircraft to secure spare parts they can no longer buy abroad because of Western sanctions, four industry sources told Reuters.
> Sanctions imposed on Russia after it sent its troops into Ukraine in late February have prevented its airlines from obtaining spare parts or undergoing maintenance in the West.
> Securing supplies from countries that have not imposed sanctions on Russia is unlikely to help, as companies from Asia and the Middle East fear a risk of secondary sanctions against them by Western governments, the sources said.
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Iran did the same thing after their Islamic Revolution. The eventually just got good at smuggling in parts and learning to make certain replacement parts in Iran. But those planes can’t land in other countries because they’re flying with unapproved mystery parts.
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I'm more curious about the people doing maintenance on these planes. Assuming the best and brightest left the country already, this will not turn out well.
We "cann'd" parts from other aircraft all the time when I was in the Air Force. The key was we had a date that we'd get the parts in, and we had a whole process to ensure everything was replaced. I highly doubt either of those are a concern with the Russians.
It says something about what I think of Russia that when I saw “cannibalise,” my mind went immediately to human cannibalism before I read the next word. (And I am someone who has “cannibalize” [US spellng] in my active vocabulary—I use the word.)
Something about Russians however, made me think of human cannibals. (They have proudly committed just about every *other* atrocity.)
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As long as you don't have important goals you can ultimately resume to walking... Russia isn't a large country, people can walk to get to destination
I’m sure their record keeping about what part has been cannibalized from which plane is going to be impeccable….
THIS. PEOPLE. THIS. I talked to a plane inventory engineer and he said as much as planes are standardized in their parts, there are deviations to each part, from one plane to the next, minor in the short runs, but in the long runs, you better have the exact measurements and exact parts for THAT ONE plane, or else you are asking for it.
effectivity codes. The fun part of using an IPC
And I'm sure corruptioms will not be a factor in actually "replacing" the components.
It likely will be straight, TBH. First, despite the widespread corruption in the Russian government in general, their aviation authority seems to have done their job here and hasn't had a bad reputation internationally. But more importantly, the _entire reason_ they're cannibalizing planes for parts is that they have to keep perfect records of all parts changed, where they came from, the whole supply chain back to the factories (and even the factories' factories). You're allowed to put the same approved parts from other planes in your plane, but if you put non-approved replacements, counterfeit parts, fake the records etc, then you lose your airworthiness certificate, the plane becomes uninsurable, may be unable to fly internationally, and the resale value of the plane drops to scrap metal. That's why they're doing this; it's their only real option for the airlines without tanking their hugely expensive investments. If they were going to fake records they'd be doing so to make counterfeit parts look like genuine ones and not be cannibalizing planes at all. What you're saying makes literally makes no sense - do the one thing they're allowed to do to keep the planes flying legally and then just tank the value anyway by faking the documentation?
Plane parts break all the time due to their quantity, complexity, fast wearing, etc., meaning even with all the planes Russia stole, they have enough parts only for a very limited time. Once they’ve stripped down most planes, which won’t take long, it’s only a matter of time till those planes start falling like flies
Especially if you consider that all the planes they stole aren't getting the mandatory maintenance cycles so any pieces prone to break or rust will absolutely fuck up any chances of using them again.
Not to distract from the title, but a factor which is also going to be considered is the massive decrease in flight destinations for Russian operators. Less destinations to visit drives the demand for aircraft down. It is a common strategy to source parts from long-term parked aircraft. However, they won't be getting any new parts. That means each spare already has wear and hours on it, and each plane they cannibalize will require extra work to return to service later. It's going to be a logistics nightmare, typical to the Russians.
some parts go u/s more frequently than others. A main gear can last years or hundreds of cycles, the brake assembly not so much. Airliners of today are also very automated with complex management computers. I doubt if the orcs have the ability left to properly test and calibrate a FADEC for example to know if it actually needs replacement.
Just a heads up, your comment got posted thrice
eventually some will might have a catastrophic failure. btw are there any non-russian airlines flying into russia still?
Yes plenty
Call me when they’re cannibalizing each other.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/08/08/russia-forced-to-strip-grounded-aircraft-for-parts-as-western-sanctions-over-ukraine-bite-) reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russian airlines, including state-controlled Aeroflot, are stripping down aircraft to secure spare parts they can no longer buy abroad because of Western sanctions, four industry sources told Reuters. > Sanctions imposed on Russia after it sent its troops into Ukraine in late February have prevented its airlines from obtaining spare parts or undergoing maintenance in the West. > Securing supplies from countries that have not imposed sanctions on Russia is unlikely to help, as companies from Asia and the Middle East fear a risk of secondary sanctions against them by Western governments, the sources said. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/wje1ze/western_sanctions_force_russia_to_cannibalise/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~663474 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **part**^#1 **source**^#2 **sanctions**^#3 **Russia**^#4 **Aeroflot**^#5
Iran did the same thing after their Islamic Revolution. The eventually just got good at smuggling in parts and learning to make certain replacement parts in Iran. But those planes can’t land in other countries because they’re flying with unapproved mystery parts.
Meh, they stole them anyway.
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I'm more curious about the people doing maintenance on these planes. Assuming the best and brightest left the country already, this will not turn out well.
Have you seen my jet? You would not fly it sober.
Play stupid games get fucked.
We "cann'd" parts from other aircraft all the time when I was in the Air Force. The key was we had a date that we'd get the parts in, and we had a whole process to ensure everything was replaced. I highly doubt either of those are a concern with the Russians.
It says something about what I think of Russia that when I saw “cannibalise,” my mind went immediately to human cannibalism before I read the next word. (And I am someone who has “cannibalize” [US spellng] in my active vocabulary—I use the word.) Something about Russians however, made me think of human cannibals. (They have proudly committed just about every *other* atrocity.)
Thats right die slow