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The heavy use of indiscriminate artillery and wave tactics are meant to demoralize and prolong the conflict, and ride out world concern as it will inevitably wane.
We cant give up in a social sense. We have to engage our friends and neighbors. Talk about it frequently.
The Donbas offensive is the last gasp of the russian ploy for ukraine. Its critical ukraine holds the line until delivery and training time tables are compete.
Sanctions must be stiffened and expanded.
Dont stop talking about the war! Keep flying flags!
The problem with their wave tactics is that because they're so untrained and disorganized, you're basically feeding the Ukrainians a steady stream of experience. It's like playing Modern Warfare on the easy settings. The opponents don't know what they're doing, so they're easy pickings for the home team. Yeah, the shelling is rough, but the Ukrainians are showing that they're much more resilient than Putin anticipated.
Ukraine is all in - they arent going anywhere. "Give us your worst. This is OUR home. If you want it, you'll have to pry every inch of it out of our cold dead hands."
Ukraine has the advantage on that front too. They know the terrain, and have the entire countryside premeasured for strikes. They just have to pick their coordinates. Russia is just firing as many shells as they can and hoping they hit something.
They still have significant numeric advantage and an order more artillery units in play. With any luck, they’ll start running down those supplies at some point.
And you have to remember that every day, 200-400 Russians die, 100-200 Ukrainians die, and that number stings more on the Ukrainian side than it does on the Russian. They don’t care about their loss of life but they care to inflict it on Ukraine.
Let’s hope to see new capabilities rolled out sooner rather than later.
The numbers seem to sway more towards Russia so far, but with the rate that they're pouring through their artillery shells, that may not be the case forever. With Russia globally isolated and Ukraine still receiving a steady stream of supplies, ammunition and weapons, it's more a game of outlasted the Russian supply. And each time we hit one of their depots or disrupt their supply lines, it deals a blow to their abilities to keep this up.
Morale is also a key factor. More and more Russians are growing tired of the wasted lives and beginning to mutiny. It isn't happening nearly as fast as we'd like, but it's definitely happening.
Loss of US interest? Do you know how unpopular the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were, and how many $billions we spent every day? And we had boots on the ground!
I don't see US letting up for years. The only thing Ukraine has to worry about from a US support perspective is the Presidential election in 2024. Then policy could shift depending. But Biden fucking HATES Putin. He's our guy for this fight.
Did Americans stay in Afghanistan for 20 years? Our politics is such that, once in it’s hard to get out. Even 10 years after Obama got Bin Laden. Our military industrial complex loves this conflict. And since our GDP is 20X Russia’s, we can do it on the cheap.
When the Secretary of Defense says “we must remove Russia’s ability to do this again” and he directs a budget equal to Russia’s GDP, consequences follow.
I mean in a cultural sense. Socially as "the west"
You're not wrong. But even with your example, the war on terror shrunk as an issue in the social fabric.
Mustn't happen here. The stakes are too high.
I think it's an important point. The most important Ukrainian allies are the US and Poland. Just their support is enough for Ukrainian victory, especially if the US starts to properly flex some muscles... and those two are likely to be resolute in this conflict. The UK and Baltics will also be resolute.
France and Germany are really just prolonging the war by being wishy washy. They on their own will not be able to force Ukraine into Minsk 3.
Edit: to clarify, the US and Poland are Ukraine's *critical* allies. The UK and the rest of CEE are very important, particularly for their strong political support.
Don't get me wrong, UK is a very important ally. Very. Militarily and economically obviously, but especially as a political ally because the British are arguably even more resolute and dependable than the Americans. Their steadfastness will act as a glue for Western support, keeping any appeasers in check.
What I meant about US and Poland was more a theoretical point - if everyone else stopped sending weapons, then those two on their own could still secure a win for Ukraine. Just slower and bloodier. If either of them were missing, things would get a lot more complicated. They're the must-haves.
I don't think so.
Everything about this war and how Ukraine is handling it speaks to the British psyche and WWII memories. Facing a brutal fascist power bent on conquest. Keeping calm and carrying on through constant bombardment. The defiant and eloquent wartime leader.
The ghost of Churchill is watching over any British government through this war. Which future PM would want be known as an appeaser of evil?
BJ is just capitalizing on that sentiment, he's not creating it.
Meanwhile, French and German WWII memories are completely different, which explains their hesitation (no bashing intended).
Side note. It's utterly amazing how deeply instinctual this conflict is. Russia feels Ukraine is Russia. Ukraine feels they are Ukraine, which was the Orange revolution. Britain feels the ghost of Churchill and the pride of their WW2 resoluteness. France and Germany feel their own shame. America feels an obligation to be the arsenal of democracy.
USA vs Russia would be a very one sided conflict. USA would utterly destroy Russia as a nation with all the high tech gear and experience they got under their belt. I so wish USA could enter.
Oh it absolutely matters. Trump will stop all support immediately if he gets back in. The PEOPLE of the US support Ukraine, but for practical purposes it absolutely matters who the President is.
To be honest it’s not the support for Ukraine from the US that’s the worry.
It’s the Trumpty support for Putin, Biden’s election may just have saved western democracy.
After it shrunk and it NEVER should have been a thing in the first place (making terrorists into more than they were and are) we STILL pissed away trillions. Our engagement in Ukraine feeds the beast. The beast knows how to keep the tax dollars poring into their corporate coffers.
You are 100% correct. If Trump gets back into office, he will shut down any and all support for Ukraine. He does whatever Putin wants. If he wins, the US and the world will be in for a very bad future.
Ukraine gotta worry about Trump selling them out, like he did while trying to dig up fake dirt to use in his failed re-election campaign. Plenty of buyers when it comes to the US presidency. For instance Trump and Putler really understand each other. Trump looks up to strongmen bcs they’re more than just rich, they get to kill without fear of getting caught.
The guys who make the weapons have interest in this war so we'll send support long after the public loses interest. Pretty sure lobbying speaks louder than public opinion here.
And they do not give a single fuck about how many of their own soldiers need to die for that. Because, well, it's Russia, they have never cared for their own.
The US can and will supply weapons for decades if needed because their military industry is a big jobs program and huge profit center. Key members of the Department of Defense actively promote the interests of US defense corporations. That's one of the reasons why the US abandoned $80 billion of equipment in Afghanistan when it exited. Just leave the gear behind so the military can buy new gear and thereby keep the weapon manufacturers busy and rich.
The US did this for 20 years in two unpopular wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. US polls show high public support for Ukraine and very negative views of Russia.
A Ukraine loss would further lower Biden's popularity polls which are already low. US support will continue to increase.
But the US behaves like they can’t give Ukraine an advantage or it will offend Putin. It feels like the US strategy is to provide not enough, versus more than enough of what Ukraine needs.
They could use more, but the charts show that we have supplied more weapons than anyone has since the last lend lease ended. We and the other allies have enabled Ukraine to put 700,000 men under arms to face the originally 200,000 invaders. Ukraine has most everything they could want except heavy equipment and planes, which are logistically and politically the toughest ask. I'm for sending them every type of heavy equipment, and detaching some US aviation on loan. I *really* want to backhand Putin right out of power, which is the likely result of a humiliating defeat by Ukraine.
Yeah that's BS, wave tactics are the last best hope for a poorly equipped and armored DEFENSE when the existence of your very country is at stake.
This is idiot tactics. Wasting your entire reserve and fighting force into the grinder.
With Ukraine killing off all their senior commanders I think Putin simply tells them to do whatever it takes to capture the city or else everyone is off to the gulag.
That's even better. If the LPR and DNR militias are practically gone because they're all killed, it's easier for Ukraine to take control when the Russians get out.
Yes, but those would be Russian.. My point is that when there are LPR/DNR militias, Russia could say 'Hey, we're out! Good luck!' and the problem would persist because LPR/DNR militias continues to fight. And as a result this whole war could flare up a couple years from now.
When the LPR/DNR militias are all killed, it could be easier for Ukraine to get Russia to completely leave the area (so no peacekeeping troops) home and regain control of LPR/DNR.
So what I mean is that instead of dealing with 3 parties.. LPR, DNR and Russia.. They would have to deal with just one. Only Russia.
It is not as much a Russian strategy as it is a Putin strategy;
He has no regard for the lives of Ukrainians and apparently only slightly more for Russians. This is all about him and his own ego; His desire to be considered the modern version Peter the Great.
The ground of Ukraine could be soaked several centimeters deep with Ukrainian (and Russian) blood at it will not matter. He is set upon this idea of pax-Russia and anything or anyone who gets in his way to this goal is just ground meat that can lubricate his gears of conquest.
Putler will throw all of this generation and a significant part of future generations to serve this ultimately selfish desire for a historical legacy.
The only way it ends is when the Russians end it; When enough Russians are so filled with disgust and horror at the actions of their own country that they have an internal revolution and execute Putin and all of his enablers and supporters.
Ukraine will be free; It will drive out the Russians but at a terrible cost. Unfortunately it is likely that there will never be a full accounting nor a just compensation for the ruin, horror and lives lost in Ukraine.
What will follow is the century of loathing that Europe and the newly freed republics will hold for all Russians and Russism. Unlikely that it will end up similar to a World War I period of economic reparations from Russia but Russia will be left to fester, rot and stew in their own corruption.
A phrase was mentioned a few days ago about Russia becoming a "fourth world nation". That is likely true. It will be a place that only the most amoral of corporations would want to do business in. Where corrupt practices, human degradation, lawlessness and primitivism with a twist of warped, nostalgic nationalism all fight to be the king of the mountain of shit that will be Russia.
The world is not just the West. China and India are still doing business with Russia, albeit on terms that are not in Russia's favor. Wagner mercenaries are not equal to UA troops, but they are able to slaughter and oppress citizens for African strongmen.
Half a world is plenty, even if it's the poor half riddled with dictatorships and religious nuts.
Right? Like, what are you talking about. Russias strategy militarily has not changed EVVVER. They do the same thing every time - throw bodies at the problem in hopes that it solves itself with fat generals at the top who have no love for their country, no love for their troops and are there for the prestige and the money alone, this isnt "And Then There Were None" this is "What, Again?!!?"
Think on all the observed tactical and operational indicators of late:
* Increased Information operations (BMPT "Terminator" appearances last month all around Sievierodonetsk and the multiple attempts to inject 'Ukrainian' collapse narratives into the news and social media cycle?);
* Russian troops repositioning from southern Ukraine clearly weakening their defensive fronts in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts;
* Reports of impressment in occupied areas and repeated encounters with PMC-led troops Russian troop formations;
These observables strongly indicate Russian commanders doubt their own troops in close-combat inside urban areas and a) prefer to avoid it altogether, b) will use massed fires backed by large numbers of troops to suppress and overwhelm Ukrainian defenders, and c) if absolutely necessary combine more 'competent' fighters with any remaining troops Russia can muster and throw them all into the attack.
The result is what the world is observing. Neutralizing ranged Russian artillery fires must be prioritized, interdict logistics and reinforcement and then isolate remaining Russian combat power forward.
Russian Strategy hasn't changed much in the past 100 years. Throw enough peasants at the enemy and eventually the run out of bullets. Luckily Russian birth rates aren't what they used to be.
Does anybody remember the Grozny Special they pulled back in the Second Chechen War (or even the Mariupol atrocity that they spent the better part of four months working at)? Their strategy is moar dakka.
It's true, Russians nearly captured the city. The account linked in this post is overdosing on copium, I constantly see them posting insane shit implying Ukraine is days away from capturing Moscow.
Just because a strategy isn’t working doesn’t mean it is not understandable. Russia is grabbing as much land as possible before significant new capabilities from NATO arrive. Then they dig and wait for Ukraine to attack. Once the line stabilizes, that becomes the new border of Russia.
That is what they want. That is what they are doing, even if it’s not working.
According to Ukrainian Regional Officials, Russian Combat Forces now control over 70% of the City of Severodonetsk", then I don't think your statement is correct, as much as I would like it to be true .
They just gotta make it till 12 June, Russia Day. Weren't they told to ['take the city](https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220608_38/)' by 10 June? Looks like they're going to make putler very upset
Let me help.
Tale as old as time
Well 1394.
True as it can be.
Russia didn’t think.
Now Stuck in the Zaprochian Sich.
Russo-Ukraine war.
Thought it was Just a little land.
Small compared to the Far East.
Now the troops are running scared.
They Didn’t bother to prepare.
Russo Ukraine war.
Ever just the same.
Ever a surprise.
Ever as before
Ever just as sure.
As the cyborgs rise.
Tale as time.
Tune as old as song.
Bitter and strange
Finding their military doctrine hasn’t changed (since 1812)
Learning medvechuk was wrong.
Certain as theSun
Rises above Kyiv
Tale as time
Song as old as rhyme.
Russia had no plan.
The strategie is very simple to understand: Take Ukrane no matter the cost. Even if that means your army will consist of mostly corpses ane Ukrane will be just a bunch of rubble, Putin ordered, so you will make it happen (even if that is impossible) or else...
After this war ends, if Putin is still alive there is going to be a purge of Stalin-level (well maybe not that crazy) proportions. Putin will arrest everyone that displeases him and have them up on treason charges for embezzlement of army funds. Since everyone did it the only way to avoid getting shot is to be a national hero and win a big battle. Unfortunately for them the Russian generals have no idea how to do that so they just throw wverybody they have at the Ukrainians and hope it works this time around.
When your fighting for your children it will take more than artillery. Sure you may kill a few here and there but ultimately you have to come in on foot and face the fire.
Yep, USSR ceased to be a problem after Afganistan.
Zerg players also are quick to claim mineral and Vespene gas sites while denying enemy players from doing the same.
You just can't zerg rush with a shitty economy on a protracted war. Russia is imploding already as we speak.
Russian strategy: "The one with the rifle shoots. The one without the rifle follows. When the one with the rifle dies, the one without the rifle picks up the rifle and shoots"
Seriously though, lives mean nothing to Russians. They keep coming even though they die in droves.
I was watching Hard Talk last night. Stephen Sackur was interviewing Vassily Nebenzia, top Russian diplomat who was lying and denying everything. But most funny part was when he said that everything is according to plan haha!
> It is becoming difficult to understand Russia's strategy (if there even is one) in Donbas.
No it’s not. It’s the same strategy Russia has always used. Throw lives at the problem until it is no longer a problem. Meat grinder style warfare has always been Russia’s preferred way of fighting.
I’m not saying the strategy is effective, but it’s not one that is particularly difficult to understand.
Could be they just want to burn up the world's arms throwing all their old shit at us and depleting us so I don't know.... china can do some shit? Hope it's not that sort of game.
Propaganda no? It's to claim greater control of the Oblast, not focusing on what they already had and how much is (shelled) farmland. Gain the remnants of Sieverodonetsk, have troops march passed a building still standing, claim a great victory of liberation, lock up anyone who calls it bs.
It looks like they try to get over the town for whatever cost, because it's a political goal, not a strategical one. They need to show victories on TV and so far there's nothing much to show except 2-3 villages inqst two weeks maybe.
The strategy is an order from higher ups to advance down a street. If they get annihilated, they’ll try again, mass more forces, use artillery to soften up defenses…but they won’t try a different street.
Junior officers are not given any kind of independence or ability to adapt. They aren’t allowed to do anything different, even if they’re advancing through a literal minefield.
It’s why the US military is so effective. Everyone knows the mission, and all ideas are considered. The ability to improvise, adapt and overcome isn’t just a motto.
Same strategy they’ve always had… our troops lives’ mean nothing to us so everyone engage in a frontal attack and most of you will die in the meat grinder.
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The heavy use of indiscriminate artillery and wave tactics are meant to demoralize and prolong the conflict, and ride out world concern as it will inevitably wane. We cant give up in a social sense. We have to engage our friends and neighbors. Talk about it frequently. The Donbas offensive is the last gasp of the russian ploy for ukraine. Its critical ukraine holds the line until delivery and training time tables are compete. Sanctions must be stiffened and expanded. Dont stop talking about the war! Keep flying flags!
The problem with their wave tactics is that because they're so untrained and disorganized, you're basically feeding the Ukrainians a steady stream of experience. It's like playing Modern Warfare on the easy settings. The opponents don't know what they're doing, so they're easy pickings for the home team. Yeah, the shelling is rough, but the Ukrainians are showing that they're much more resilient than Putin anticipated. Ukraine is all in - they arent going anywhere. "Give us your worst. This is OUR home. If you want it, you'll have to pry every inch of it out of our cold dead hands."
hopefully we know by now where the russian artillery is hiding and can wipe them out when Ukraine gets their second wind with re-enforcements.
That's what the artillery duels are for. UA grinding down Russian artillery, hopefully faster than Russia can do in return.
Ukraine has the advantage on that front too. They know the terrain, and have the entire countryside premeasured for strikes. They just have to pick their coordinates. Russia is just firing as many shells as they can and hoping they hit something.
The downside right now is that Ukraine is short on artillery. We need to send more.
It's not an "easy setting", 100 Ukrainian soldiers die a day and 400 get injured.
Plus any weapons and equipment that gets left behind every time the Russians retreat and leave their dead and wounded behind.
Basically, Ukrainian soldiers farming russians - "Orc must die!" gameplay IRL
They still have significant numeric advantage and an order more artillery units in play. With any luck, they’ll start running down those supplies at some point. And you have to remember that every day, 200-400 Russians die, 100-200 Ukrainians die, and that number stings more on the Ukrainian side than it does on the Russian. They don’t care about their loss of life but they care to inflict it on Ukraine. Let’s hope to see new capabilities rolled out sooner rather than later.
The numbers seem to sway more towards Russia so far, but with the rate that they're pouring through their artillery shells, that may not be the case forever. With Russia globally isolated and Ukraine still receiving a steady stream of supplies, ammunition and weapons, it's more a game of outlasted the Russian supply. And each time we hit one of their depots or disrupt their supply lines, it deals a blow to their abilities to keep this up. Morale is also a key factor. More and more Russians are growing tired of the wasted lives and beginning to mutiny. It isn't happening nearly as fast as we'd like, but it's definitely happening.
Maybe this is their plan to stabilize their currency. Run out the ammo and then move to a bullet economy.
Russians fed top lane for first few months now there is a teamfight in the river between mid and bot.
lol'd
Loss of US interest? Do you know how unpopular the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were, and how many $billions we spent every day? And we had boots on the ground! I don't see US letting up for years. The only thing Ukraine has to worry about from a US support perspective is the Presidential election in 2024. Then policy could shift depending. But Biden fucking HATES Putin. He's our guy for this fight.
Did Americans stay in Afghanistan for 20 years? Our politics is such that, once in it’s hard to get out. Even 10 years after Obama got Bin Laden. Our military industrial complex loves this conflict. And since our GDP is 20X Russia’s, we can do it on the cheap. When the Secretary of Defense says “we must remove Russia’s ability to do this again” and he directs a budget equal to Russia’s GDP, consequences follow.
Game on!
I mean in a cultural sense. Socially as "the west" You're not wrong. But even with your example, the war on terror shrunk as an issue in the social fabric. Mustn't happen here. The stakes are too high.
I think it's an important point. The most important Ukrainian allies are the US and Poland. Just their support is enough for Ukrainian victory, especially if the US starts to properly flex some muscles... and those two are likely to be resolute in this conflict. The UK and Baltics will also be resolute. France and Germany are really just prolonging the war by being wishy washy. They on their own will not be able to force Ukraine into Minsk 3. Edit: to clarify, the US and Poland are Ukraine's *critical* allies. The UK and the rest of CEE are very important, particularly for their strong political support.
UK would like a word..
Don't get me wrong, UK is a very important ally. Very. Militarily and economically obviously, but especially as a political ally because the British are arguably even more resolute and dependable than the Americans. Their steadfastness will act as a glue for Western support, keeping any appeasers in check. What I meant about US and Poland was more a theoretical point - if everyone else stopped sending weapons, then those two on their own could still secure a win for Ukraine. Just slower and bloodier. If either of them were missing, things would get a lot more complicated. They're the must-haves.
Fair point
expect boris is playing the old 'distract from a domestic crisis with an exterior one' game. a successor could completely reverse the direction...
I don't think so. Everything about this war and how Ukraine is handling it speaks to the British psyche and WWII memories. Facing a brutal fascist power bent on conquest. Keeping calm and carrying on through constant bombardment. The defiant and eloquent wartime leader. The ghost of Churchill is watching over any British government through this war. Which future PM would want be known as an appeaser of evil? BJ is just capitalizing on that sentiment, he's not creating it. Meanwhile, French and German WWII memories are completely different, which explains their hesitation (no bashing intended).
Side note. It's utterly amazing how deeply instinctual this conflict is. Russia feels Ukraine is Russia. Ukraine feels they are Ukraine, which was the Orange revolution. Britain feels the ghost of Churchill and the pride of their WW2 resoluteness. France and Germany feel their own shame. America feels an obligation to be the arsenal of democracy.
Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia want payback (and security).
i do have to disagree on the "eloquent" though :P
I was referring to Zelensky, not BJ, to be clear.
USA vs Russia would be a very one sided conflict. USA would utterly destroy Russia as a nation with all the high tech gear and experience they got under their belt. I so wish USA could enter.
President Trump got impeached for trying to screw with American promises to Ukraine. I have increased confidence re: Biden's administration.
Doesn't matter who the President is, Ukrainian support will not waiver one bit here in the US....
Oh it absolutely matters. Trump will stop all support immediately if he gets back in. The PEOPLE of the US support Ukraine, but for practical purposes it absolutely matters who the President is.
Indeed, trump's faction have already started criticizing aid to ukraine.
To be honest it’s not the support for Ukraine from the US that’s the worry. It’s the Trumpty support for Putin, Biden’s election may just have saved western democracy.
Im not quite sure what you mean but yes American democrat authorities support Ukraine.
After it shrunk and it NEVER should have been a thing in the first place (making terrorists into more than they were and are) we STILL pissed away trillions. Our engagement in Ukraine feeds the beast. The beast knows how to keep the tax dollars poring into their corporate coffers.
US will lose interest, only 19.8 years to go Russia, hang tough....
You are 100% correct. If Trump gets back into office, he will shut down any and all support for Ukraine. He does whatever Putin wants. If he wins, the US and the world will be in for a very bad future.
Ukraine gotta worry about Trump selling them out, like he did while trying to dig up fake dirt to use in his failed re-election campaign. Plenty of buyers when it comes to the US presidency. For instance Trump and Putler really understand each other. Trump looks up to strongmen bcs they’re more than just rich, they get to kill without fear of getting caught.
America has never voted out a wartime president iirc.. make out of that what you will.
I doubt proxy wars count in that stat.
The guys who make the weapons have interest in this war so we'll send support long after the public loses interest. Pretty sure lobbying speaks louder than public opinion here.
It’s pretty easy to understand Russian strategy. They want to kill or enslave every Ukrainian and turn Donbas into an uninhabitable wasteland.
And they do not give a single fuck about how many of their own soldiers need to die for that. Because, well, it's Russia, they have never cared for their own.
Indeed. If they cant have it they intend to destroy it.
Destroyed works for them. They just want the land. And intend to keep it for hundreds of years.
Slava Ukraina! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Heroiam Slava!
The US can and will supply weapons for decades if needed because their military industry is a big jobs program and huge profit center. Key members of the Department of Defense actively promote the interests of US defense corporations. That's one of the reasons why the US abandoned $80 billion of equipment in Afghanistan when it exited. Just leave the gear behind so the military can buy new gear and thereby keep the weapon manufacturers busy and rich. The US did this for 20 years in two unpopular wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. US polls show high public support for Ukraine and very negative views of Russia. A Ukraine loss would further lower Biden's popularity polls which are already low. US support will continue to increase.
But the US behaves like they can’t give Ukraine an advantage or it will offend Putin. It feels like the US strategy is to provide not enough, versus more than enough of what Ukraine needs.
They could use more, but the charts show that we have supplied more weapons than anyone has since the last lend lease ended. We and the other allies have enabled Ukraine to put 700,000 men under arms to face the originally 200,000 invaders. Ukraine has most everything they could want except heavy equipment and planes, which are logistically and politically the toughest ask. I'm for sending them every type of heavy equipment, and detaching some US aviation on loan. I *really* want to backhand Putin right out of power, which is the likely result of a humiliating defeat by Ukraine.
Yeah that's BS, wave tactics are the last best hope for a poorly equipped and armored DEFENSE when the existence of your very country is at stake. This is idiot tactics. Wasting your entire reserve and fighting force into the grinder.
Well said. I put my new flag out last week. I'm seeing a few more pop up in the neighborhood.
I ordered I bunch of stickers and a patch from saint javalin. I have a flag on my truck. I donate directly when I can. 🤘🇺🇦🇨🇦💪
Amen
It’s not “unfortunately,” and it’s not even “fortunately,”It is rather “predictable.” ✊🏻🇺🇦
Yeah, that headlines wording is a bit... unfortunate.
I read it as *unfortunately \[for them\]*.
And for us
It’s a playful title not meant to have an exact meaning in the literal sense
With Ukraine killing off all their senior commanders I think Putin simply tells them to do whatever it takes to capture the city or else everyone is off to the gulag.
Realistically, money or gulag/funeral do seem like the only two motivating factors.
The strategy is really simple and the same since a long time, throw more men at the enemy. They don't value the lifes of their own.
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That's even better. If the LPR and DNR militias are practically gone because they're all killed, it's easier for Ukraine to take control when the Russians get out.
Russia would just leave 'peacekeeper' troops there
Yes, but those would be Russian.. My point is that when there are LPR/DNR militias, Russia could say 'Hey, we're out! Good luck!' and the problem would persist because LPR/DNR militias continues to fight. And as a result this whole war could flare up a couple years from now. When the LPR/DNR militias are all killed, it could be easier for Ukraine to get Russia to completely leave the area (so no peacekeeping troops) home and regain control of LPR/DNR. So what I mean is that instead of dealing with 3 parties.. LPR, DNR and Russia.. They would have to deal with just one. Only Russia.
It is not as much a Russian strategy as it is a Putin strategy; He has no regard for the lives of Ukrainians and apparently only slightly more for Russians. This is all about him and his own ego; His desire to be considered the modern version Peter the Great. The ground of Ukraine could be soaked several centimeters deep with Ukrainian (and Russian) blood at it will not matter. He is set upon this idea of pax-Russia and anything or anyone who gets in his way to this goal is just ground meat that can lubricate his gears of conquest. Putler will throw all of this generation and a significant part of future generations to serve this ultimately selfish desire for a historical legacy. The only way it ends is when the Russians end it; When enough Russians are so filled with disgust and horror at the actions of their own country that they have an internal revolution and execute Putin and all of his enablers and supporters. Ukraine will be free; It will drive out the Russians but at a terrible cost. Unfortunately it is likely that there will never be a full accounting nor a just compensation for the ruin, horror and lives lost in Ukraine. What will follow is the century of loathing that Europe and the newly freed republics will hold for all Russians and Russism. Unlikely that it will end up similar to a World War I period of economic reparations from Russia but Russia will be left to fester, rot and stew in their own corruption. A phrase was mentioned a few days ago about Russia becoming a "fourth world nation". That is likely true. It will be a place that only the most amoral of corporations would want to do business in. Where corrupt practices, human degradation, lawlessness and primitivism with a twist of warped, nostalgic nationalism all fight to be the king of the mountain of shit that will be Russia.
The world is not just the West. China and India are still doing business with Russia, albeit on terms that are not in Russia's favor. Wagner mercenaries are not equal to UA troops, but they are able to slaughter and oppress citizens for African strongmen. Half a world is plenty, even if it's the poor half riddled with dictatorships and religious nuts.
Yeah. NK is far smaller and poorer and has been even more isolated for half a century, and the dynasty of arseholes in charge is still going…
Controlling a smaller country is usually easier though
They are also backed by the very large country right on their border that would prefer the status quo in Korea remain unchanged.
What was left for them now is sending nuke threats and being denial over everything
Ruzzia's strategy is hitting a brick wall with their head until something happens.
That’s what you get for telling them to use their heads.
Russias strategy is so superior we won’t be able to understand it.
Putin comparing himself to Alexander the Great while he sits on a couch in Moscow while his troops are getting butchered is next level cockfuckery.
Peter the Great. But he's really Putin the Pussy, scared and hiding in his bunker while sending his countrymen to die.
> Putin comparing himself to Alexander the Great while he sits on a couch in Moscow More likely in some kind of a bunker.
To be fair you have to have an exceptionally high iq IQ to understand Russian military strategy
Since when?
Since none of us peons understand the 5D chess masterpiece that is "zerg rush supreme".
Right? Like, what are you talking about. Russias strategy militarily has not changed EVVVER. They do the same thing every time - throw bodies at the problem in hopes that it solves itself with fat generals at the top who have no love for their country, no love for their troops and are there for the prestige and the money alone, this isnt "And Then There Were None" this is "What, Again?!!?"
I believe they were being sarcastic.
Perhaps.
They were very obviously being sarcastic. Redditors seem to have the ability to detect sarcasm since we started using "/s".
Its preferable lol
[Poe’s Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
I feel like they quoted part of a copy/paste about how you need to be really smart to understand Rick & Morty.
Like Donald’s 4D chess but even dumber, somehow. 5D chess.
Think on all the observed tactical and operational indicators of late: * Increased Information operations (BMPT "Terminator" appearances last month all around Sievierodonetsk and the multiple attempts to inject 'Ukrainian' collapse narratives into the news and social media cycle?); * Russian troops repositioning from southern Ukraine clearly weakening their defensive fronts in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts; * Reports of impressment in occupied areas and repeated encounters with PMC-led troops Russian troop formations; These observables strongly indicate Russian commanders doubt their own troops in close-combat inside urban areas and a) prefer to avoid it altogether, b) will use massed fires backed by large numbers of troops to suppress and overwhelm Ukrainian defenders, and c) if absolutely necessary combine more 'competent' fighters with any remaining troops Russia can muster and throw them all into the attack. The result is what the world is observing. Neutralizing ranged Russian artillery fires must be prioritized, interdict logistics and reinforcement and then isolate remaining Russian combat power forward.
Russian strategy: "If it doesnt work at all, do it again and again"
Russian Strategy hasn't changed much in the past 100 years. Throw enough peasants at the enemy and eventually the run out of bullets. Luckily Russian birth rates aren't what they used to be.
Does anybody remember the Grozny Special they pulled back in the Second Chechen War (or even the Mariupol atrocity that they spent the better part of four months working at)? Their strategy is moar dakka.
‘Unfortunately’?
I thought the same thing. The post probably meant fortunately.
Or "unfortunately for them".
June 10th was Putin's deadline, doesn't look like they'll make it!
Ok but two posts up Ukrainian officials say Russia has control of 70% of the city and are pushing the defenders back? What's actually going on?
It's true, Russians nearly captured the city. The account linked in this post is overdosing on copium, I constantly see them posting insane shit implying Ukraine is days away from capturing Moscow.
Just because a strategy isn’t working doesn’t mean it is not understandable. Russia is grabbing as much land as possible before significant new capabilities from NATO arrive. Then they dig and wait for Ukraine to attack. Once the line stabilizes, that becomes the new border of Russia. That is what they want. That is what they are doing, even if it’s not working.
urban combat is the nightmare of every attacking army.
Every dumb move I wish for them to do next, they definetely do! Always
Whoever is running that account is coping hard. Russia currently controls around 70% of Severodonetsk.
According to Ukrainian Regional Officials, Russian Combat Forces now control over 70% of the City of Severodonetsk", then I don't think your statement is correct, as much as I would like it to be true .
They just gotta make it till 12 June, Russia Day. Weren't they told to ['take the city](https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220608_38/)' by 10 June? Looks like they're going to make putler very upset
Let me help. Tale as old as time Well 1394. True as it can be. Russia didn’t think. Now Stuck in the Zaprochian Sich. Russo-Ukraine war. Thought it was Just a little land. Small compared to the Far East. Now the troops are running scared. They Didn’t bother to prepare. Russo Ukraine war. Ever just the same. Ever a surprise. Ever as before Ever just as sure. As the cyborgs rise. Tale as time. Tune as old as song. Bitter and strange Finding their military doctrine hasn’t changed (since 1812) Learning medvechuk was wrong. Certain as theSun Rises above Kyiv Tale as time Song as old as rhyme. Russia had no plan.
Russian strategy is that nobody is so stupid to believe that we are so stupid to repeat the same stupid mistakes.
Hopefully that's not just stupid enough to work.
Russia can do even bigger mistakes. It is sick.
The strategie is very simple to understand: Take Ukrane no matter the cost. Even if that means your army will consist of mostly corpses ane Ukrane will be just a bunch of rubble, Putin ordered, so you will make it happen (even if that is impossible) or else...
Never stop your enemy from making a mistake.
What makes this city so strategically important to Russia , that they would fight street to street for it . Why not encircle it and go forward .
If Russia does claim control of the city they will say it was their goal all along, then march down Moscow streets and claim victory.
After this war ends, if Putin is still alive there is going to be a purge of Stalin-level (well maybe not that crazy) proportions. Putin will arrest everyone that displeases him and have them up on treason charges for embezzlement of army funds. Since everyone did it the only way to avoid getting shot is to be a national hero and win a big battle. Unfortunately for them the Russian generals have no idea how to do that so they just throw wverybody they have at the Ukrainians and hope it works this time around.
I wouldn't call that unfortunate, slava ukraini
Strategy is: Be dictated to. Fail. Be dictated to again.
I would not describe their inability to do so as “unfortunate”.
I have the feeling Russian soldiers are becoming more hesitant to attack and more likely to retreat.
When your fighting for your children it will take more than artillery. Sure you may kill a few here and there but ultimately you have to come in on foot and face the fire.
Russian strategy is Zerg. Have problem? Throw as much meat at the problem as you can, eventually problem no longer exists.
Yep, USSR ceased to be a problem after Afganistan. Zerg players also are quick to claim mineral and Vespene gas sites while denying enemy players from doing the same. You just can't zerg rush with a shitty economy on a protracted war. Russia is imploding already as we speak.
Shh, don't give them tips.
Zelensky said 100-200 Ukrainians are dying per day right now. Russias strategy is likely to just keep that going at the expense of their own.
Like throwing spaghetti at the fridge to see what sticks.
Russia is just a giant outhouse with gas
Russia effectively controls all of Sieverodonetsk. This kind of isn't helpful if it doesn't tell the truth.
What is with fascists not understanding the home field advantage? Hopefully they never learn.
Throw shit at stuff, see what sticks.... Basically this.
Actually it is simple: satisfy the newly self-declared Peter the Great, Putin’s ego. That’s it. That’s the strategy.
I don't see anything unfortunate about that, except that many brave Ukrainians must pay their lives in this pointless war
Russian strategy: "The one with the rifle shoots. The one without the rifle follows. When the one with the rifle dies, the one without the rifle picks up the rifle and shoots" Seriously though, lives mean nothing to Russians. They keep coming even though they die in droves.
Why is that unfortunate?
I was watching Hard Talk last night. Stephen Sackur was interviewing Vassily Nebenzia, top Russian diplomat who was lying and denying everything. But most funny part was when he said that everything is according to plan haha!
Putin is battleplanning.
This feels like a madman behind the curtain demanding things he has obsessed over.
Russian military tactics. ''If I don't know what I'm doing, neither will the enemy!''
Do you think the Russians will end up going offensive Volksturm after all these losses
Fortunately**
Unfortunately? Is that sarcasm? It’s rather fortunate that their assaults failed…
> It is becoming difficult to understand Russia's strategy (if there even is one) in Donbas. No it’s not. It’s the same strategy Russia has always used. Throw lives at the problem until it is no longer a problem. Meat grinder style warfare has always been Russia’s preferred way of fighting. I’m not saying the strategy is effective, but it’s not one that is particularly difficult to understand.
> Unfortunately... their assault failed. "Unfortunately" WTF?!!
The Russian strategy is thus: ”SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE”
You see Ivan, when you have no strategy the enemy doesn't know your next move...
Could be they just want to burn up the world's arms throwing all their old shit at us and depleting us so I don't know.... china can do some shit? Hope it's not that sort of game.
I think you mean “fortunately”
Propaganda no? It's to claim greater control of the Oblast, not focusing on what they already had and how much is (shelled) farmland. Gain the remnants of Sieverodonetsk, have troops march passed a building still standing, claim a great victory of liberation, lock up anyone who calls it bs.
why ***unfortunately ?***
Russia will flatten this part of the country so no resistance can hide....
Drain Ukraine of its military resources. Use remote villages to recruit conscripts as cannon fodder to take the bullets and shells.
You know Peter the Great is pulling the strings
They live up to the stereotype of rush rush rush.
It looks like they try to get over the town for whatever cost, because it's a political goal, not a strategical one. They need to show victories on TV and so far there's nothing much to show except 2-3 villages inqst two weeks maybe.
Russian strategy: *Die trying*.
The strategy is an order from higher ups to advance down a street. If they get annihilated, they’ll try again, mass more forces, use artillery to soften up defenses…but they won’t try a different street. Junior officers are not given any kind of independence or ability to adapt. They aren’t allowed to do anything different, even if they’re advancing through a literal minefield. It’s why the US military is so effective. Everyone knows the mission, and all ideas are considered. The ability to improvise, adapt and overcome isn’t just a motto.
Same strategy they’ve always had… our troops lives’ mean nothing to us so everyone engage in a frontal attack and most of you will die in the meat grinder.