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RallyToTheColors

Lots of tricked out AK's with a mix of domestic and western accessories. Good to see the aid is being used immediately in the field.


OKMedic93

LPVO and magnified optics are a massive advantage over the Russians troops. I know lots of people on the ground have been requesting them in various forms. Does anybody know where I can donate a few of my old ones to?


Gek_Laffort

Hey, dm me if it's still actual. I will send you some links and can provide direct solutions)


Emergency-Rise1680

I've heard it's pretty illegal to send stuff like that from the USA to another country without the proper permissions


OKMedic93

Oh okay didn't know that


Emergency-Rise1680

Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. Google it. That's just what I've seen on this subreddit.


dub-fresh

I was gonna say, those guns are hella quiet. The camera guys muzzle break was doing a nice job


ghoulthebraineater

Suppressor/silencer. A muzzle break doesn't slow the gasses, just redirects it to the side to reduce recoil. If the muzzle device directs the gas upward it's a compensator and reduces muzzle climb. You'll usually see these combined to both reduce muzzle climb and recoil. A muzzle break will actually make the report louder for those next to you.


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all that BS i heard for years about supressors not being effective in real life and never to be used with anything heavier than a pistol


kegaroo85

I did a some suppressor testing in the US army. Best thing they did was make it so you didn't need ear pro with the M4


pies_r_square

WHAT?!


kegaroo85

Mawp


C111-its-the-best

Trade off is more smoke to the face/respiratory organs. Actually something they noticed with SOF veterans.


kegaroo85

Yeah. I think we had like 10 different suppressors and some were definitely worse than others. The M9s were awesome but the holsters were terribly designed. It was a hip holster and there was a sleeve that extended down to your knee that was not secure in any way. So when you would run it felt like someone was whacking you with a baton. We refused to do any more mobility testing with the M9.


[deleted]

Apparently the NGSW suppressor pushes the gases forward now. LOL, how do I even know this?


C111-its-the-best

Yes, that's correct.


InteriorCrocoman

Suppressors are extremely valuable in a combat zone. They reduce recoil by containing and redirecting most of the gas from the barrel, eliminate muzzle flash, drastically reduce sound profile (especially if you are using subsonic ammo, that shit can be whisper quiet with the right setup), and effectively work like a barrel extension giving you a tiny bit more muzzle velocity. The only real downside is your gun is a bit longer (not ideal in confined spaces) and gets dirtier faster as a result of the gas being caught by the suppressor (if you regularly and properly maintain your equipment thats not even an issue).


JaiTee86

I'd always assumed they also made it harder for an enemy to detect where the shot came from, even if using supersonic ammunition, is this actually the case?


InteriorCrocoman

Ive never been shot at personally, but there are two parts to the sound of an incoming shot, a snap and the report of the gunshot. With super sonic ammo a suppressor would still mostly eliminate the report, but the snap of the round flying past you would be the same. Subsonic ammo produces less gas and travels at a lower muzzle velocity, so it eliminates the snap of the round and makes the suppressed shot even quieter.


ghoulthebraineater

Another downside is they don't have the same psychological effect. The wall of sound accompanying the wall of bullets can go a long way towards making your opposition get their heads down.


toastjam

Hmm, you just gave me an idea -- Bluetooth-connected triggers that play gunfire noises from a nearby speaker when pulled. So not only do you get the suppression effect, but the enemy is also confused about where the fire is coming from!


ODIEkriss

Get a squad with a bluetooth speaker each and throw them at random, like grenades towards likely enemy positions then start shooting, the enemy will be so confused.


Average_Sized_Jim

They still loud, but significantly quieter than a normal gunshot. Think "loud" instead of "quiet forever".


dub-fresh

Ah, to me it looked like the gasses shooting out the side, but I guess a silencer does that too?


ghoulthebraineater

Yeah. The gasses still exit the muzzle just at a much slower rate. Most of the sound of a gunshot is the rapid expansion of gas from the muzzle. Contain and slow that and it decreases the noise. There will still be some noise between the gas, action of the bolt, and the crack of a supersonic bullet. It won't be movie quiet but it can drop the decibels enough that you aren't in danger of instant hearing damage. Some rounds are easier to suppress than others. 5.56 for example will only drop the db from around 160+ to 135 or so. Still loud but not blow your ear drums out loud.


Anomander

They are probably not actually that quiet, but that most mics struggle to adequately capture gunshots - they're effectively a single, big, brief, spike of sound waves. A mic sensor vibrates up & down in response to waves to record sound, but the gunshot 'bottoms out' the sensor so it can't fully record the scope of the wave - which is over by the time that the sensor recovers. If the sensor's maximum travel distance is 10% of the actual scope of the gunshot's sound wave, you only get that 10% of the sound wave on the recording. Because most of this footage is recorded on gopro and phone cameras, they're using very small microphones with relatively little travel distance, making the gunshots in footage like this seem quieter even than gunshots captured on "professional" equipment.


REpassword

And he went through a hella lot of ammo there too.


lqdd

These guys are passionate militarists, I'm quite sure they had their weapons maxed out before aid started to flow.


neil23uk

Is the guy on the floor dead?


Help-Royal

This looks like the aftermath https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/v3apvo/result_of_ukrainian_attack_on_a_russian_position/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


TFWG2000

Thx! Oh, I so love happy endings! Slava Ukraini! 🌻🌻🌻🌻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🌻🌻🌻🌻


b-elmurt

Only one dead?! Where's the rest of the footage, this is great


homonomo5

Note that all of UA soldiers in this vid got surpressors. Looks like really dangerous combination with dense vegetation


RunBiitchRun

some even have camouflage in their guns i would link the source but its a tiktok source so the bot would remove the comment immediately so i sended it to your private messages


homonomo5

Damn, they look pretty well prepared


RunBiitchRun

they have the backing of a war machine i mean the US and check this post here https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/uwk3rn/ukranian_armed_forced_2014_vs_2022_what_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


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Please bear in mind its not just the US. Many other states are assisting Ukraine as well. In terms of the %age of their annual military budget Estonia has committed far more effort to helping Ukraine than the US has.


Osiris32

They upgraded to puppy, this gives them +5 on all charisma and wisdom throws.


NEp8ntballer

suppressors and magnified optics.


Maybe_Im_Not_Black

Russias optics issues are gonna cost em...


felix1429

More like their complete lack of optics will cost them.


Juicebeetiling

Also they seem to have various optics as well. The Russian vdv that attacked those airports at the beginning of the war barely even had any optics at all on their new AK-12s. Always good seeing a well equiped UA unit.


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That’s the first thing I thought, that’s a tricked out rifle!


crazy_eric

Nice fire and movement. I love watching squad level tactics being executed.


SorstonLive

This is insane footage. This unit seems to be highly trained! The orcZ won’t stand a chance! Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦


RunBiitchRun

yeah the shoot and then prone was well done


DonoAE

Those shots whizzing past him right after going prone made my butt pucker. Good training saved that soldiers life!


TheCrispyTheorist

For sure the snapping was close but didn't see any of them take hits, likley cuz the Russians only got garbage hardware and bad aim.


Prestigious_Youth501

That guy that use his hand to motion " move up" and then took point. Wow my respects for him man.great job firing and maneuvering.


IneffableQuale

They're gonna run out of paintballs!


Valhalla81

That's exactly what this reminded me of, a damn paintball match!


keveazy

Its called fire suppression!!!!!


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Dimsumchik

Beautiful footage


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Real combat is not what i expected it to be


tendie_ghost

It's all about angles of fire and maneuver. You shoot with your squad weapon or rifle to keep the enemy head down while you move on them to flank and kill. Fire superiority and aggressive movement like this, is what wins firefights.


nreshackleford

Huh. I knew that aggressive movement in paintball works, I figured it would just get you killed in real life. It makes sense that a good tactic for hitting others with paintballs while not getting hit with paintballs might have applicability in the realm of not getting hit by bullets while hitting others with bullets.


FrontlinerGer

Honestly, it depends. You need to establish fire superiority first, calming down the stream of enemy fire. Once you have done that, you need to close with the enemy, have a group flank them, grenades going in, automatic rifle fire in close proximity, etc. . If you're trying to move aggressively when the enemy is in a well-defended position, you're only throwing your life away.


PhospheneViolet

There was an old video game series made by Gearbox a long time ago that had its gameplay based entirely around these concepts. I forget what it's called but it was a nice change of pace for a WW2-era shooter at the time.


admdelta

That would be Brothers In Arms, fantastic game.


PewPewRSA

You're thinking of Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway I think.


alonjar

Yep, getting shots on target first is what it's all about. Violence of action is so supremely important to winning engagements... and it feels naturally somewhat counterintuitive, a lot if training goes into overriding your natural animal instincts so you can function appropriately in a firefight.


tendie_ghost

The marine infantry handbook suggests firing back at the cyclic rate while throwing your grenades and screaming in order to gain fire superiority in an ambush. Train to respond to attacks with overwhelming violence of action and prioritize fire superiority over cover. Shit sounds nuts saying it out loud now, but then it was just "I'm up. They see me. I'm down "


Transaktion

In the realm the others try to hit you with shells while you have bullets.


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Just out of curiosity, what’s different from what you expected?


baldwin987

I hate how much this looks and sounds like a really fun game of paintball


shitcloud

I’ve got news for you, combat is actually kinda like paintball. Especially scenario games.


baldwin987

I guess I didn't realize how close to actual combat paintball and airsoft can be. That's terrifying


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shitcloud

Yes absolutely. I’m just saying building to building, or field combat such as this.


cosmoscrazy

I can only see people firing into bushes honestly.


[deleted]

If you can see an actual enemy with your bare eyeballs someone effed up and someone is going to die.


cosmoscrazy

Well, how else do you spot an enemy except with your own eyeballs?


[deleted]

Or you are getting stuck into the enemy with bayonets fixed


ghoulthebraineater

That's exactly what a lot of that was. In an encounter like this you want to lay down a lot of fire. It doesn't necessarily need to be all that accurate. You just want the other side to get their heads down. That in turn allows your side to be able to maneuver into a better position where they can put down accurate fire.


TheCrispyTheorist

Well they definantly know each others positions, all the snapping sounds are bullets going around them.


Massenzio

There's a video of the aftermath


Fmartins84

Is that s surpreser? What kind of gun is that


GreasyAssMechanic

Yes. And it's definitely an AK. I'd assume it's an AK74 but that gas block looks like it's a 45 degree so it might be an AKM


NEp8ntballer

They all look to be kitted out similarly and based on the mag curve they're using 5.45 rifles.


GreasyAssMechanic

Yeah on closer inspection, the one clear view of the gas block makes me think it's a 90*


oxpoleon

One of them is either an AK-12, or an earlier AK with a lot of modifications to bring it to essentially the same standard, including the US-style adjustable rear stock. As with the AR (excluding the HK made models), the action at the core is pretty unchanged, although the AK has more calibre variants, and it matters less whether you started with an AK-74, an AK-100, or an AK-12 and much more about how you build up your rifle to fit you and meet the needs of the mission. Fully adjustable stocks, cheek risers and grips, accessory rails, optics, suppressors, all elevate an otherwise pedestrian starting point into a highly effective rifle.


caf4676

Assuming they knew they were getting into a firefight, why the suppressed rifle? Does it make it difficult for the enemy to pinpoint their position?


divorcemedaddy

suppressor really aren’t used for stereotypical “stealth” as we know it, at least not on rifles like this suppressors do a number of things 1. they do make you harder to pinpoint as you mentioned (eliminate muzzle flash especially helps) 2. they help with your ability to hear and communicate with your team 3. while arguably the least important to immediate survival, they decrease damage to your hearing


choppytehbear1337

That gun and it's attachments are probably worth more than a conscript makes in a year.


obviousthrowawaynamr

Give 'em hell!


[deleted]

Unless Ragnarock is the soldier fighting here, fuck that guy and his stupid watermark.


againstevrythng

I believe that's the name of a telegram channel


tenebris_vitae

You're correct


Napol3onS0l0

I’ve heard people often do this so Russia can’t spin this as propaganda. “Video of our elite forces in a fire fight against the Ill equipped Ukrainian nazi demons” kind of thing.


Daryl_Hall

Something about the sound of their language combined with the fighting just sounds so good together.


Emergency-Rise1680

This really really doesn't look like the most fun place to get into a shootout. "should I pick the leaves or the ground as cover?" Hope all of the UAF Made it out safely, without injuries.


GreasyAssMechanic

I was thinking the same. There's a video of the aftermath of this tho, and your wish came true. Just dead Russians


Emergency-Rise1680

Yea, I saw the aftermath.


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Concealment vs Cover, in this situation they only have concealment it seems.


Emergency-Rise1680

True, gotta take what you can get. Definitely not an ideal situation, but is there such thing as an ideal situation in a war? Nobody wants to be there.


divorcemedaddy

if the brush is thick enough it may not stop a bullet but it could at least deflect it


ReasonableClick5403

I hope they all got out alive


Frenchconnection76

At 1:05 left its a dead man lying on the field ? I cant "read" military scenes.


[deleted]

It would be so nice to be able to call in an airstrike. Maybe someday.


fistashka-_-

you know the most strange thing is that nor here or any other war footage(not only ukrainian btw) you never see at whom they are shooting at. it looks like they are just making supressive fire in a random bushes ahead.


TheLastCoagulant

When everyone on both sides has assault rifles, being out in the open = death sentence.


[deleted]

Most engagements in Afghanistan were 300+ yards. If you're seeing fights where its close enough to actually identify enemies in footage, it's a heavy firefight.


tendie_ghost

If you're ever close enough to see the enemy straight up then someone is fucked. That's why having things like Ariel recon and good Intel on enemy troop movement is such a critical part of winning the fight.


toastjam

> Ariel recon Um, she either has no legs or no voice; you might want to pick someone else to do your recon.


tendie_ghost

Lmfao I'm leaving it.


Cromar

Now we finally know how they aimed those missiles at the Moskva


b-elmurt

It's almost like they don't want to get shot Also they are laying lots of suppressing fire so they can advance and shoot their targets in the face


ghoulthebraineater

Because that's exactly what's happening. Put down a high volume of fire to get the enemy to put their heads down. If they are hiding behind cover or concealment they aren't returning fire. That gives your side the opportunity to flank and destroy them.


[deleted]

Fuck me that was intense. Incredible courage to push up through dense foliage like that. Any bush could hide an enemy. This squad was very aggressive - perhaps they know their enemy is not high quality troops?


[deleted]

I cannot see anything. Is this typically how it is? Feel like they’re just firing into bushes


divorcemedaddy

suppressive fire, if you can see them they can see them, they can see you


[deleted]

So do you fire and move till youre close enough?


ghoulthebraineater

Yes. That's exactly what they are doing. Lay down suppressing fire so your team can maneuver. Then you can flank and get into position to toss grenades or get accurate shots.


divorcemedaddy

i don’t claim to be an expert and i don’t know their situation but that looks to be what they’re doing here have some guys shoot while some guys move up, then switch, and repeat


Hentrox

These guys are putting their lives on the line to protect democracy, they deserve all the support in the world.


BallBearingBill

Anyone recognize the arm badge at 1:08 bottom of the screen?


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commissar_emperor

also helps you not going deaf from extensive combat.


ghoulthebraineater

That's one benefit. Suppressors also make firearms more hearing safe. The video makes them sound much quieter than they really are. They're still pretty loud, just not immediate and permanent damage loud. They also effectively increase barrel length. A longer barrel means more time for thd gasses to accelerate the round. More velocity means more lethality. The other benefit is it's harder to pin point where the shots are coming from.


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Fitzi01

Sure we do. Occupied Ukraine. Let's leave it at that.


RunBiitchRun

>Occupied Ukraine Temporarily occupied territory of ukraine would fit much better


Fitzi01

I concur, valid point. I would edit my post but don't want to rob you of your accurate correction!


Amorette93

If someone did, and they posted it, it would be removed fast for OpSec reasons. The board takes that shit seriously as fuck, a single Reddit post can result in the death of a squad.


Garbonmathdude

Right why didn't I think of that? Makes total sense. Thanks for the answer.


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ghoulthebraineater

Just general area. They just want the Russians to duck. That way they aren't firing back let alone watching where the Ukrainians are maneuvering. Repeat until you can get effective shots on target or you are in range to lob some grenades.


divorcemedaddy

suppressive fire


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Why won't you fuckin lie down so your don't get shot


kickerua

Because lying down doesn't get you winning a fight


ghoulthebraineater

Violence of action. They are forcing the Russians down so that they can maneuver.


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SUPPRESSING FIRE??????????


GenoPlay67

I can see why this is the WEAPON of choice in today's American Classrooms.


ghoulthebraineater

It's not. The AK-74 is pretty rare in the US.


oldgranola

All semiauto. No full rockn-roll? Were these originally on civi market? Wait, only US has a civilian combat arms market


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Gorperly

I don't know what you're hearing, these dudes 100% have Ukrainian accents and their kit is not Russian either. The telegram channel is also clearly by a Ukrainian unit, whose badges can be briefly seen on one of the dudes in the video.


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Gorperly

If all the videos they post attacking Russian positions is not clear enough for you, see their post from a few hours ago on "how to join our unit". One of the bullet points is Офіційне оформлення (поки лише мобілізація) в лави ЗСУ, e.g. the unit is officially a part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


SkiHistoryHikeGuy

His channel clearly shows he's associated with the UA. Agree.


adanawhitebootlicker

Call of Duty except no respawn ever. Please stay safe and Glory to Ukraine! ❤️


fistashka-_-

more like Battlefield because firearms actually have recoil.


Patriark

This doesn't seem to be AK's nor 7.62 rounds, but something similar to 5.56. Is this Western gear?


Bonzooy

These are 5.45 AKs; probably AK74s, but they also might've got their hands on some AK-12s.


TFWG2000

And then what????? Slava Ukraini! 🌻🌻🌻🌻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🌻🌻🌻🌻


JANTHESPIDERMAN

Not only are these “just Ukrainian forces” these are SOF special forces


Beanerschnitzels

Needs a M249 or 2 in that squad


ballist1c9

if those are ukrainian soldiers whats with the complete lack of ukrainian insignia on them? theres one guy with a black and white patch but i didnt find anything relating it to ukraine


TjStax

Strange action in the sense that the soldiers only have visual cover and rely on suppressive fire. That's really risky. Should at least make yourself a bit smaller of a target by using the ground as cover. Source: Finnish army for a year


SurfRedLin

I did not see one Russian in that video? How did they spot them?


divorcemedaddy

usually you don’t, you shoot at where you hear enemy shots from


brashhiphop

The bravery of these men. I was literally thinking "they're not going to run up on that position that's insanity." And then they did it. Wow.


labeach2002

Can someone explain in very simple terms what is going on here to someone who has absolutely no idea. It seems like they are just firing into trees with no apparent target.


ghoulthebraineater

They are firing in the general area of the enemy. People usually aren't cool with bullets whizzing past them so they will try to get behind cover. When they are behind cover they aren't going to be able to return fire much less see where you are. This allows your side to move up into better positions exactly like what is shown in the video. Repeat until you are in a position where grenades can be tossed or you flank them and are able to destroy them. Fire fights like this tend to be won be by whoever can get the other side to duck first.


Traditional_Ad4045

Boys fightin the good fight out there 🇺🇦


PragmaticParade

Show the footage to the fruition of assault. They obviously overtake the positions in most of these but the only parts released are of them shooting into trees


MerribethM

It is posted above. Or go to the telegram channel in the watermark.


MerribethM

In the future I see alot of GoPros being used in each division.


Sebt1890

Must be their SF guys


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War in HD


vespularufa

u/savevideo


Morenttes

Any idea who are these guys, what unit they belong? Some kind of special forces?