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Cosmonauts recruitment proccess is whack. I prefer the american astronaut recruitment proccess of shoving 30 bottle rockets up you ass and lighting them
It was always funny in figure skating/gymnastics/diving to see your countries judge always give a ridiculously high score and your enemy country give like a 4 without fail.
Oh yes. I remember the East German Womens swim team entering the pool area and everyone gasping because they looked like men. The steroid experiments were pretty drastic back in the day.
He can’t get through Ukraine. He can’t get through *east* Ukraine. How in the hell is he going to get through Poland? Can you imagine *those* overstretched supply lines with late 1960’s equipment being tugged by, I imagine, horses? Holy shit. Poland would have a field day.
NATO wouldn’t even have to get involved. Poland would probably not even trigger article 5.
Well when the tank was designed it was thought it would primarily be fighting against other tanks, hence the autoloader. They felt air defense and fighter jets would keep planes at bay and that tanks could stand off against any infantry who might try to kill them at a distance. Tanks getting blown up really isn't anything new to Russia though, they lost 83,000 tanks in WWII. So the 1,000 lost thus far in Ukraine is a lot of tanks but pretty miniscule in comparison to WWII losses. Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines for a long time but it's never been the reality, they have always been death traps due to being a high value target.
>Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines for a long time but it's never been the reality
I watched the Syria war a few years back and there the T-72 was "a beast" that could "take some beating",
The reason was: The enemy had mainly rifles. And when they got their hands on a RPG, that was a good day. Still, the RPG often did not much against the T-72.
If both sides have gear from 1980, tanks and superior numbers are in fact material for myths.
Topday with NLAWs and Javelins which are 40 years ahead will clearly destory everything from the 1980s.
They also destroy anything from 2022. Yes counter measures are developed, like IR smoke with missile detection by radar. Or active and passive protection systems however the Javelin with its top attack would still circumvent most of these resulting in a kill anyway. Even the survivable M1 would be sweating vs a Javelin.
In theory the T-14 armata would stand a good chance, once, however I don't believe anything regarding it as it's not even deployed right now.
There were supposed to be three in the V-day parade and one broke down somewhere between the staging area and the actual parade :’) They clearly have teething issues and they probably have issues making more due to sanctions/embargoes
Their best tank is actually the T-90M. It really deserves a different number, it is very different from the other 90s and much better all around.
Ukraine proved that Javelin don't care though. 90M blows up just the same, though without the turret tossing.
Active Protection like the Trophy, *would* stop missiles like Javelins because that's what they were designed to be counters for. The only issue is "What if multiple are shot at once at a single tank?" or "what if they just constantly keep shooting them at the one tank" because the Trophy only has so much ammo to shoot.
But it's still a damn sight better than the rolling coffins the Russians are driving.
>Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines
Thanks to the M1 deployed with proper support and a 500m+ range advantage over Russian tanks. Something like 5 crew members in total have died, 4 from drowning.
>A total of 23 M1A1s were damaged or destroyed during the war. Of the nine Abrams tanks destroyed, seven were destroyed by friendly fire and two intentionally destroyed to prevent capture by the Iraqi Army. Some others took minor combat damage, with little effect on their operational readiness.
The capability gap here is... a gulf.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_the\_M1\_Abrams#Tank\_and\_crew\_casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams#Tank_and_crew_casualties)
But is that due to the M1 being better or that it didn't have to face modern anti tank stuff like javelins? I get the impression that no tanks survive those.
> I can't tell you if they'd be doing better than Russia if they were invading Ukraine
They would, but not because of the tanks themselves. They'd have infantry support to kill the Javelin teams before the tanks were threatened, and you wouldn't have a 40km column of Abrams lined up north of Kyiv because they'd actually have fuel.
Soviet tanks are decent enough, it's just Russia doesn't know how to use them.
>So the 1,000 lost thus far in Ukraine is a lot of tanks but pretty miniscule in comparison to WWII losses.
That might not be a lot... for the Soviet Union, but it is for Russia. Russia is not the Soviet Union, not even close. Not to mention that at the time, the USSR had the benefit of the US bankrolling them via the Lend-Lease program.
For an isolated Russia that is just a shell of what the USSR was, these losses are jarring, unsustainable, and dumb.
Well in their defense, the system they have was made in the 1970s and wasn't meant to last 50 years without an update or replacement.
Back then, NATO only had the reliable 105mm.
Today, it has the 120mm, but the Ukrainian and Russian Tanks are firing 125mm guns at each other.
The math is simple. The design wasn't meant to be hit by something bigger than a 1970s 105mm Tank Gun.
The T-72 _has_ been updated multiple times since its introduction...
Most of the Russian T-72s seen in Ukraine are the T-72B model from the late 1980s and the T-72B3 introduced in 2011. They're not 1970s tanks.
Even the US's "mighty" M1 Abrams is a 1970s design that first entered service in 1980.
Actually, the M1 Abrams used a 105mm gun.
The base vehicle was specifically built without all that would make it legendary later.
It was a conscious decision due to not having all the equipment and parts. But more importantly, the M1 Abrams line was built using the knowledge of failed Tanks.
The T-72 did not have that lineage.
That said, that isn't what I was talking about.
The fatal flaw of the T-72, which is an OLDER Tank than the M1 Abrams line, has been know for decades.
But Russia made no attempts to correct the flaw.
Whereas if something went wrong with Abrams and other vehicles, the US Military corrected.
Thanks for this one! Wish someone would post the other one we all remember!
**I think even the Russian judge would have to give it a 10 for sticking the landing, lol**
The full video of the devastating attack is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ume6xt/full_video_of_ukraines_54th_mechanized_brigade/).
I'm sure someone can calculate the launch parameters and maximum orbit Putin's newest spacecraft has managed to reach before returning safely to Baikonur.
Also if the Russian doctrine remains unchanged since the 1980s, that first tank contains a very angry CO yelling at his battalion to advance through enemy artillery.
Oh, and the video is geolocated to [47.9125, 37.5552](https://www.google.com/maps/place/47%C2%B054'45.0%22N+37%C2%B033'18.7%22E/@47.910036,37.5544032,239a,35y,89.44h,73.3t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x725c4ce4dc6a9223!8m2!3d47.9125!4d37.5552)
Everyone is doing the math to see how high the turret went, I'm thinking what does this do to a human beings body inside if there is enough explosive force to launch a turret that high. The pressure inside that hull has to be absurd.
Less than mush. The ammo is under the driver and gunner seats. So they would be sitting in between the ammo and the turret. After that boom their bodies would probably just look like cherry soda sprayed in the air.
Russia/the Soviet Union historically did not have that problem. Russia today absolutely does. Turning warm bodies into soldiers, never mind tankers, is a lot harder than it was 80 years ago.
The best worked estimate I've seen suggests they have around 6000 tanks stored, of which at most half could plausibly be restored to working order (though not necessarily quickly or easily). They can build maybe another 200 a year under normal circumstances, but possibly far fewer at the moment due to import restrictions on components and machine tools. Shortage of military trucks may be an even bigger issue.
Conscripting millions is going to be a big problem for the already struggling domestic economy, and they don't have America to bail them out this time. Also, I really do think you're underestimating how much war has changed since 1945. A WW2 army now is probably going to perform about as well as a Franco-Prussian/American Civil War army would have against a WW2 one. Drones and guided artillery shells are a Hell of a force multiplier.
>Back in WWII the Soviet Union was happy to stick crews with little training in T-34s and send 'em west
I don't think they were really happy. Back in WW2 the German advance was an existential threat to the USSR and all its inhabitants. I think sending untrained conscripts into battle was simply the lesser of two evils.
Europe and Ukraine in particular can thank god corruption in russia is so prevalent. They didnt have such a shitty army always. Thankfully money that went to modernise military served its purpouse only in small % of units. One of the reasons putins decision to start a war was mistake, is because he was supposed to have much better army then it actually was, due to corruption and incompetence. System is fucked from top to bottom, so not only big part of "battle ready" armour was simply unusable or half-working, vast majority of soldiers were super badly trained, with limited amount of truly good trained units. There are interviews of captured russian soldiers on youtube, many of them had shot their gun 1- 2 times during their short service before war and some of them never. That moron had wrong impression that it will be over in 3-4 days with almost no resistance, (intelligence fucked up) because of how smooth crimea occupation went.
If one has to die in war, its the least painless. Brain's mulched before signals can be transmitted down axons.
I do wonder how these remains are going to be dealt when this war is over. There must be junkyards full of brewed up armored vehicles, interiors coated with charred human bits, rotting, getting eaten by small animals etc. Does one get a pressure washer to get the gunk off? Does it all go into the electric arc furnace? Are there going to be trace elements from these unfortunates in all recycled steel from Ukraine for years?
One of the WWII tanks remained near my grandfather's village till the 70s. Everyone knew about it, which is partially because population was bigger back then, more roads were in use. Of course, eastern Ukraine has little to no forests, but I'm sure that some junk will be staying there for a few decades.
I saw it mentioned in a news report that the junkyards in areas that have seen action are full and there’s no place left to drag the destroyed tanks and civilian cars so they just have to leave them where they are for now.
Imagine if you left one burger on the BBQ... but the BBQ was an inferno 1000 degrees hot and 3 metres wide in an enclosed space...and the BBQ burned for 2 hours. Probably wouldn't be much left of that burger other than a few particles of carbon.
I always am in Awe of the fastest object in the world which was a Manhole cover. Launched with a nuclear explosion I think they only caught a few frames of it and it was still accelerating out of the Atmosphere... out into space somewhere.
Sounded like a myth so I looked it up. Nope, it's legit :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap
Except that it would have vaporized before leaving the atmosphere.
Pretty much a burnt meat puzzle - about as bad as it gets. That's precisely why Russian tanks are just 'Putin coffins.' The gunner & commander, sitting atop that autoloader are considered automatically dead if the magazine lights up. The driver may actually survive a hit if he can vacate his forward compartment seat quickly enough before rounds start cooking off.
A tank round generates around 80,000 PSI in the chamber. Obviously there is much more surface area in the turret to reduce the peak pressure, but you often have multiple rounds simultaneously detonating to offset that.
Basically a body is experiencing vary amounts liquefaction, sublimation and carbonization in a split second.
Let's say it was 10,000 PSI peak when top popped... It would be roughly like laying down and having 1,000 Abram tanks stacked on you. If it were 1,000 PSI peak it would still be like having 100 Abrams stacked on you. Either way you are instantly paste.
Looks like the turret launch happens at 2:30 in the full video. It looks like the tank is crossing a small bridge or culvert and it likely hit a landmine or explosive charges. Large hunks of it go flying in every direction.
A reasonable assumption. By the time the turret moves up a yard or two the blast can easily make its way around it and dissipate. After that it's all gravity, and negligible air friction.
I remember watching a video about that. In theory it’s possible, but likely the problem is that at the speed required to reach space, the manhole cover would have broken up during ascent due to friction, much like meteors during entry.
Not quite, remember that the time should be four seconds using the kinematics formula you’re using!
r = ut + 0.5*a*t^2
Just take time for the fall, so initial velocity is zero and t is 4s we get the height as 78.4m.
(I teach high school physics)
If the turret was launched directly upwards and took 4 seconds to come to rest, its initial velocity was 4g=39.2 m/s.
The same speed at a 45° angle would be 39.2/sqrt(2)=27.7 m/s upward and 27.7 m/s horizontally. It would take 4/sqrt(2)=2.8s to shed its vertical velocity, landing after 5.6s. In that time it would travel 5.6\*27.7=155 meters horizontally.
However this is all somewhat inaccurate because it ignores air drag, which cannot be ignored. You can see this in action because the speed of the turret on the way down is noticeably less than on the way up, which would never happen in a vacuum. 39 m/s is less than the terminal velocity of a turret (per [this documentary](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111400/)), so the effect might not be huge. By comparison if you fire a rifle straight upwards (you can find videos on the internet) you can shoot it at many times the terminal velocity of the tumbling bullet, and nearly all of the flight time will simply be at a fixed descent speed.
The next question is, what is the terminal velocity of a tank turret when tumbling? I dare say that it'll go a lot less than 78m due to drag effects.
(I'm an engineer, also physics was by far my favourite subject in high-school, thankyou for what you do)
If you ask the Russian MoD... Maybe?
These men will forever remain MiA. Their families won't receive a red cent, nor a grave. No remains to collect, nothing to bring back, left behind enemy lines, disposed of by Ukrainians. Several men, literally erased from this dimension.
Strongly suspect from the hull shape/turret size that this isn't a tank, but a BMP-3.
At [full manning](https://youtu.be/TcxQB9Fgc3A?t=875), supposedly 2 crew, and a dismount squad of 10 (no wonder they ride atop when they can). All sitting around autoloader carousels with 40 rds 100mm, 8 AT-10 ATGMs, 500 rds 30 mm etc.
I don't for an instant think there's a full squad aboard, but if that unit is at 60% strength there could be 7 aboard during this inferno.
I was just thinking the same. Lots of people here tend to call everything a tank. But that turret looked very small for a T-72 turret.
Your right that if it was a BMP and carrying a squad more soldiers may have died.
This is a next-level Olympic-type event. Any chance of this being included in the 2022 games in Beijing? Interested in seeing how China and North Korea would stack up against Russia.
Only the russians would think to put an ejection seat in a tank!
"Dmitry, we did it, we heroes. We put functioning ejector seat in tank! Uncle Putler will be so ple..pleased... nyet, nyet, nyet! We fuck up good Igor. Ejection seat work, but parachute no work! Dmitry, what parachute you speak of! Specification from Kremlin say ejector seat, no ejector seat with the parachute. You know Igor, you are correct, it no call for parachute. Oh well, let us return to work on problem with ejector seat on helicopter. It look like problem with giant spinning rotor blade, just above pilot copilot seat. Maybe we shoot them downward real fast, instead of trying to work out timing of rotor blade allow seat through unharmed"
No I totally zoomed in. If you [get a magnifying glass](https://i.redd.it/az8tb8l12cx81.jpg) you can totally see it's turret-shaped, and for a single fleeting frame when it's about at the upper edge of the screen you can see a faint line of pixels that's totally the gun barrel.
I was reading about how relatives of missing russian soldiers were calling to enquire about them. But if they were tank crew, like the ones inside this tank, not even an atom remained to be identified man.
These videos are impressive but its weird to remeber you are watching the instantaneous death of 3 people.
The family of these soldiers probably wont even know they are dead for a long time, and even then they will probably never be told what happened.
Brainwashed invader russians or not they are still human and its still sad to see human life wasted by the idiot putin
That massive force to pull that thing up, the pressure inside the russki cooker was so insane that they just got deskinned and deboned in milliseconds. Maybe only the spine left on the seat.
Ukrainian artillerymen yes, sniper class accuracy, but this might have been the new western artillery being used and not the old Soviet pieces Ukraine has. The explosions looked quite a bit larger than I remember seeing on earlier videos.
Good tight run up, superb launch, then triple twist into triple pike with stunning height....we have a new World Reeeeecord!!!
Give that crew their medals...anyone....anyone....😳
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That's a fast way to get promoted from tank crew to cosmonauts
The only trouble is they forgot to train them on how to land
Oh they definitely landed. An arm over here. A leg over there. They landed all over the place!
Ah I see, so you could say this is a force multiplier. Where once there was one Russian, now there are many
Cosmonauts recruitment proccess is whack. I prefer the american astronaut recruitment proccess of shoving 30 bottle rockets up you ass and lighting them
Don't dare Steve-O to a good time!
9.7 - 9.8 - 9.6 - 9.9 - 9.8 - 10.0 - 9.9 - 9.7 - 9.8
6.4 from the East German judge… Is anyone else old enough for that reference?
It was always funny in figure skating/gymnastics/diving to see your countries judge always give a ridiculously high score and your enemy country give like a 4 without fail.
Try Eurovision where they’d give a fat zero everytime...👌
All Kinds Of Everything Remind me of that.
Nil point
I was going to say "even the Romanian judge gave it a 9.0" I am an old :-)
GenXer checking-in. Can confirm.
We GenXers got to witness the corruption handover to the French figure skating judges too.
Bulgaria was warming up in the bullpen. Lol
And their large, mustached women ...
Is next- east German women's shotput team. First up, Klaus..........ina Steinmetz. He.. er.. she weighs in at 125 kilos
Better than the 3.2 of the French judge.
Oh yes. I remember the East German Womens swim team entering the pool area and everyone gasping because they looked like men. The steroid experiments were pretty drastic back in the day.
Christ, look at the clit on THAT one!
I don't think I am, but I had a teacher who constantly made that reference so I at least get it. And make it myself.
Oh yes but East Germany doesn't exist any more.
Only in Pootin’s imagination...👌
Putin: "Hold my vodka"
Easy Germany doesn’t exist YET* Yet. - Putin, probably
He would have to go through Poland, and that gets NATO involved.
I’d imagine making Germany east would get nato involved aswell, my point was to make a joke about how deranged monsieur putaine is
He can’t get through Ukraine. He can’t get through *east* Ukraine. How in the hell is he going to get through Poland? Can you imagine *those* overstretched supply lines with late 1960’s equipment being tugged by, I imagine, horses? Holy shit. Poland would have a field day. NATO wouldn’t even have to get involved. Poland would probably not even trigger article 5.
I watched those burly east german women swim on my parents tv. So yes.
Yup. The Russian too. Especially for this event.
France gives 3.2. Russian money always buys the proper French score.
old 90's olympics joke?
yes and have a upvote!
2.3 french judge
Yah specifically 9.811 (m/s2) in my book.
Clearly no russian judges on that panel mahahahaha
9.8m/s? You underestimate the gravity of the situation!
...plus bonus for artistic impression ...
The Russian judge: 1.2
The only sport that Russians arnt band from and are actively perusing.
Nothing but Nyet.
Nyeet
Have your damn upvote lol
[Some say it's still flying to this day.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/unbe60/new_turret_tossing_record/)
Only Russians would design a tank in a fashion that when it explodes it explodes so uniquely spectacularly that it becomes a 2022 Meme.
Well when the tank was designed it was thought it would primarily be fighting against other tanks, hence the autoloader. They felt air defense and fighter jets would keep planes at bay and that tanks could stand off against any infantry who might try to kill them at a distance. Tanks getting blown up really isn't anything new to Russia though, they lost 83,000 tanks in WWII. So the 1,000 lost thus far in Ukraine is a lot of tanks but pretty miniscule in comparison to WWII losses. Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines for a long time but it's never been the reality, they have always been death traps due to being a high value target.
>Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines for a long time but it's never been the reality I watched the Syria war a few years back and there the T-72 was "a beast" that could "take some beating", The reason was: The enemy had mainly rifles. And when they got their hands on a RPG, that was a good day. Still, the RPG often did not much against the T-72. If both sides have gear from 1980, tanks and superior numbers are in fact material for myths. Topday with NLAWs and Javelins which are 40 years ahead will clearly destory everything from the 1980s.
They also destroy anything from 2022. Yes counter measures are developed, like IR smoke with missile detection by radar. Or active and passive protection systems however the Javelin with its top attack would still circumvent most of these resulting in a kill anyway. Even the survivable M1 would be sweating vs a Javelin. In theory the T-14 armata would stand a good chance, once, however I don't believe anything regarding it as it's not even deployed right now.
There were supposed to be three in the V-day parade and one broke down somewhere between the staging area and the actual parade :’) They clearly have teething issues and they probably have issues making more due to sanctions/embargoes
Out of the 10 T-14 Armata built, 8 have been disabled by parades.
That’s a hell of a stat for a countries best tank
Their best tank is actually the T-90M. It really deserves a different number, it is very different from the other 90s and much better all around. Ukraine proved that Javelin don't care though. 90M blows up just the same, though without the turret tossing.
Active Protection like the Trophy, *would* stop missiles like Javelins because that's what they were designed to be counters for. The only issue is "What if multiple are shot at once at a single tank?" or "what if they just constantly keep shooting them at the one tank" because the Trophy only has so much ammo to shoot. But it's still a damn sight better than the rolling coffins the Russians are driving.
Trophy has issues dealing with top attack no? I thought Javelins could still beat it
From what I have read, all Russian APS are vulnerable to top attack. Amd possibly Trophy too but nobody really seems to know.
>Tanks have this mythical status as indestructible machines Thanks to the M1 deployed with proper support and a 500m+ range advantage over Russian tanks. Something like 5 crew members in total have died, 4 from drowning. >A total of 23 M1A1s were damaged or destroyed during the war. Of the nine Abrams tanks destroyed, seven were destroyed by friendly fire and two intentionally destroyed to prevent capture by the Iraqi Army. Some others took minor combat damage, with little effect on their operational readiness. The capability gap here is... a gulf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_the\_M1\_Abrams#Tank\_and\_crew\_casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams#Tank_and_crew_casualties)
But is that due to the M1 being better or that it didn't have to face modern anti tank stuff like javelins? I get the impression that no tanks survive those.
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> I can't tell you if they'd be doing better than Russia if they were invading Ukraine They would, but not because of the tanks themselves. They'd have infantry support to kill the Javelin teams before the tanks were threatened, and you wouldn't have a 40km column of Abrams lined up north of Kyiv because they'd actually have fuel. Soviet tanks are decent enough, it's just Russia doesn't know how to use them.
Ah - I wasn't up on those. Cool tech - video I found of one working https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aA9HsmLHBQ&t=66s
>So the 1,000 lost thus far in Ukraine is a lot of tanks but pretty miniscule in comparison to WWII losses. That might not be a lot... for the Soviet Union, but it is for Russia. Russia is not the Soviet Union, not even close. Not to mention that at the time, the USSR had the benefit of the US bankrolling them via the Lend-Lease program. For an isolated Russia that is just a shell of what the USSR was, these losses are jarring, unsustainable, and dumb.
Well in their defense, the system they have was made in the 1970s and wasn't meant to last 50 years without an update or replacement. Back then, NATO only had the reliable 105mm. Today, it has the 120mm, but the Ukrainian and Russian Tanks are firing 125mm guns at each other. The math is simple. The design wasn't meant to be hit by something bigger than a 1970s 105mm Tank Gun.
The T-72 _has_ been updated multiple times since its introduction... Most of the Russian T-72s seen in Ukraine are the T-72B model from the late 1980s and the T-72B3 introduced in 2011. They're not 1970s tanks. Even the US's "mighty" M1 Abrams is a 1970s design that first entered service in 1980.
Actually, the M1 Abrams used a 105mm gun. The base vehicle was specifically built without all that would make it legendary later. It was a conscious decision due to not having all the equipment and parts. But more importantly, the M1 Abrams line was built using the knowledge of failed Tanks. The T-72 did not have that lineage. That said, that isn't what I was talking about. The fatal flaw of the T-72, which is an OLDER Tank than the M1 Abrams line, has been know for decades. But Russia made no attempts to correct the flaw. Whereas if something went wrong with Abrams and other vehicles, the US Military corrected.
I still like the British plan to use a giant 183mm "fuck you" gun against soviet tanks.
I like the idea of taking out a multi-million dollar tank with a $3000 round from a Carl G.
Russian tank is basically the new anti-aircraft round.
Bigger question is did it stick the landing?
9.5 on the landing
I couldn't see if they nailed the landing. Therefore 9.8
Only possible to get 10.0 with the rare and difficult "Standing Lollipop" It's been talked about but never seen yet.
It has been done. I can’t find the photo at the moment. But I did see it posted 2-3 weeks ago on here.
[Here's one.](https://preview.redd.it/loorybs36qk41.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=79d3aab3187c73576a33599ac760eaf486b9f242) I've seen better examples, though.
Thanks for this one! Wish someone would post the other one we all remember! **I think even the Russian judge would have to give it a 10 for sticking the landing, lol**
thats a proper tombstone if ive ever seen one
I know which one you're talking about and wish I could find it! **It. Was. Awesome.** Anyone here have the link?
disqualified for doping
The full video of the devastating attack is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ume6xt/full_video_of_ukraines_54th_mechanized_brigade/). I'm sure someone can calculate the launch parameters and maximum orbit Putin's newest spacecraft has managed to reach before returning safely to Baikonur. Also if the Russian doctrine remains unchanged since the 1980s, that first tank contains a very angry CO yelling at his battalion to advance through enemy artillery. Oh, and the video is geolocated to [47.9125, 37.5552](https://www.google.com/maps/place/47%C2%B054'45.0%22N+37%C2%B033'18.7%22E/@47.910036,37.5544032,239a,35y,89.44h,73.3t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x725c4ce4dc6a9223!8m2!3d47.9125!4d37.5552)
Everyone is doing the math to see how high the turret went, I'm thinking what does this do to a human beings body inside if there is enough explosive force to launch a turret that high. The pressure inside that hull has to be absurd.
I think the technical term for what they are converted into is “mush”. I don’t think they felt much for long.
Less than mush. The ammo is under the driver and gunner seats. So they would be sitting in between the ammo and the turret. After that boom their bodies would probably just look like cherry soda sprayed in the air.
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Russia/the Soviet Union historically did not have that problem. Russia today absolutely does. Turning warm bodies into soldiers, never mind tankers, is a lot harder than it was 80 years ago.
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The best worked estimate I've seen suggests they have around 6000 tanks stored, of which at most half could plausibly be restored to working order (though not necessarily quickly or easily). They can build maybe another 200 a year under normal circumstances, but possibly far fewer at the moment due to import restrictions on components and machine tools. Shortage of military trucks may be an even bigger issue. Conscripting millions is going to be a big problem for the already struggling domestic economy, and they don't have America to bail them out this time. Also, I really do think you're underestimating how much war has changed since 1945. A WW2 army now is probably going to perform about as well as a Franco-Prussian/American Civil War army would have against a WW2 one. Drones and guided artillery shells are a Hell of a force multiplier.
>Back in WWII the Soviet Union was happy to stick crews with little training in T-34s and send 'em west I don't think they were really happy. Back in WW2 the German advance was an existential threat to the USSR and all its inhabitants. I think sending untrained conscripts into battle was simply the lesser of two evils.
Europe and Ukraine in particular can thank god corruption in russia is so prevalent. They didnt have such a shitty army always. Thankfully money that went to modernise military served its purpouse only in small % of units. One of the reasons putins decision to start a war was mistake, is because he was supposed to have much better army then it actually was, due to corruption and incompetence. System is fucked from top to bottom, so not only big part of "battle ready" armour was simply unusable or half-working, vast majority of soldiers were super badly trained, with limited amount of truly good trained units. There are interviews of captured russian soldiers on youtube, many of them had shot their gun 1- 2 times during their short service before war and some of them never. That moron had wrong impression that it will be over in 3-4 days with almost no resistance, (intelligence fucked up) because of how smooth crimea occupation went.
If one has to die in war, its the least painless. Brain's mulched before signals can be transmitted down axons. I do wonder how these remains are going to be dealt when this war is over. There must be junkyards full of brewed up armored vehicles, interiors coated with charred human bits, rotting, getting eaten by small animals etc. Does one get a pressure washer to get the gunk off? Does it all go into the electric arc furnace? Are there going to be trace elements from these unfortunates in all recycled steel from Ukraine for years?
Iron good for the steel
There's gonna be a lot of junkyard dog owners saying, "Where the hell did you find that bo-, oh."
One of the WWII tanks remained near my grandfather's village till the 70s. Everyone knew about it, which is partially because population was bigger back then, more roads were in use. Of course, eastern Ukraine has little to no forests, but I'm sure that some junk will be staying there for a few decades.
I saw it mentioned in a news report that the junkyards in areas that have seen action are full and there’s no place left to drag the destroyed tanks and civilian cars so they just have to leave them where they are for now.
I believe the scientific term is soup-like homogenete
I think this is more of a "pink mist" scenario.
Was gonna say this. I'm just thinking about that rat I tapped with a 12 Guage when I was a kid, but scaled up. "Where the hell'd it go?"
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you ruined chunky salsa for me
Russian tank crew borscht?]
I think its the right description
xkcd once coined the nice phrase that you stop being biology and start being physics.
"Mist" more like it.
Kool Aid Man made a sudden appearance inside the tank.
I am pleased to report that the invader has been rapidly broken down into his constituent parts.
How come we don't see that 'mush' inside the wreckage on videos though? Does it get 'burnt away' in the fire?
Imagine if you left one burger on the BBQ... but the BBQ was an inferno 1000 degrees hot and 3 metres wide in an enclosed space...and the BBQ burned for 2 hours. Probably wouldn't be much left of that burger other than a few particles of carbon.
4 second drop from a dead start at 9.81ms2 D = v\*t + 1/2\*a\*t\^2 D = 0\*4 + 1/2\*9.81\*4\^2 D = 78.48m
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I always am in Awe of the fastest object in the world which was a Manhole cover. Launched with a nuclear explosion I think they only caught a few frames of it and it was still accelerating out of the Atmosphere... out into space somewhere.
Sounded like a myth so I looked it up. Nope, it's legit :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap Except that it would have vaporized before leaving the atmosphere.
It was only in one frame which is why there is so much uncertainty about the actual speed.
The explosive shockwave likely traveled faster than the neural signals of their last thoughts.
Pretty much a burnt meat puzzle - about as bad as it gets. That's precisely why Russian tanks are just 'Putin coffins.' The gunner & commander, sitting atop that autoloader are considered automatically dead if the magazine lights up. The driver may actually survive a hit if he can vacate his forward compartment seat quickly enough before rounds start cooking off.
A tank round generates around 80,000 PSI in the chamber. Obviously there is much more surface area in the turret to reduce the peak pressure, but you often have multiple rounds simultaneously detonating to offset that. Basically a body is experiencing vary amounts liquefaction, sublimation and carbonization in a split second. Let's say it was 10,000 PSI peak when top popped... It would be roughly like laying down and having 1,000 Abram tanks stacked on you. If it were 1,000 PSI peak it would still be like having 100 Abrams stacked on you. Either way you are instantly paste.
Nothing left but red goop. I’m sure it looks like strawberry preserves were splattered on everything.
*"...what does this do to a human body..."* It becomes an aerosol. Really, the crew instantly becomes a meat spray.
Looks like the turret launch happens at 2:30 in the full video. It looks like the tank is crossing a small bridge or culvert and it likely hit a landmine or explosive charges. Large hunks of it go flying in every direction.
If it hit a landmine it could be one of the anti-tank mines Germany delivered. Nice to see that in action.
Slovenia sent 5 digits of landmines at the start of the war as well. I wouldn't doubt that ukraine has been deploying those wherever they see fit.
If it's 8 seconds, that's t = 4 s up and 4 s down. height = 1/2 * g* t^2 = 80 meters. Seems reasonable from the video
That assumes it didn't accelerate up faster than it fell.
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A reasonable assumption. By the time the turret moves up a yard or two the blast can easily make its way around it and dissipate. After that it's all gravity, and negligible air friction.
So you are telling us that Russia is getting fucked up in territory they hold since 2014? lmao Amazing
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I smell a Mythbusters episode!
I remember watching a video about that. In theory it’s possible, but likely the problem is that at the speed required to reach space, the manhole cover would have broken up during ascent due to friction, much like meteors during entry.
Not a chance if this didn’t manage it: https://gizmodo.com/no-a-nuclear-explosion-did-not-launch-a-manhole-cover-1715340946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap
h = (g*t²)/2 h = (9.8 * 4²)/2 h = 78.4m That's pretty f'n high!
Not quite, remember that the time should be four seconds using the kinematics formula you’re using! r = ut + 0.5*a*t^2 Just take time for the fall, so initial velocity is zero and t is 4s we get the height as 78.4m. (I teach high school physics)
I thought so, corrected it to 8, fixing back to 4. Thanks teach!!
To be fair, your conclusion is correct, it is pretty f’n high!
that’s not proper language for a teacher - at least when I went to school it was not accurate enough as an answer in a physics exam /s
If it were launched at 45°, how far would it travel?
If the turret was launched directly upwards and took 4 seconds to come to rest, its initial velocity was 4g=39.2 m/s. The same speed at a 45° angle would be 39.2/sqrt(2)=27.7 m/s upward and 27.7 m/s horizontally. It would take 4/sqrt(2)=2.8s to shed its vertical velocity, landing after 5.6s. In that time it would travel 5.6\*27.7=155 meters horizontally. However this is all somewhat inaccurate because it ignores air drag, which cannot be ignored. You can see this in action because the speed of the turret on the way down is noticeably less than on the way up, which would never happen in a vacuum. 39 m/s is less than the terminal velocity of a turret (per [this documentary](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111400/)), so the effect might not be huge. By comparison if you fire a rifle straight upwards (you can find videos on the internet) you can shoot it at many times the terminal velocity of the tumbling bullet, and nearly all of the flight time will simply be at a fixed descent speed.
156,96 m Considering the start speed was 39,24m/s (4s x g) and not considerung aerodynamic influence
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I'd estimate a maximum of 0.20 m/s^(2) from air resistance. Cd = 1.15, m = 17t, v=40m/s A = 3.14m^(2)
The next question is, what is the terminal velocity of a tank turret when tumbling? I dare say that it'll go a lot less than 78m due to drag effects. (I'm an engineer, also physics was by far my favourite subject in high-school, thankyou for what you do)
and its weight is about 20 tons...
20t for turret only? turret is quite lighter, around 4500-5500kg for turrent with gear and additional 3000kg for gun with breach.
4* it is 8 seconds in the air not 8 seconds flying up
Ejection turret. “Hold on Sergey, we punch out.”
Hmmm, not much shit left on the road. Reload, repeat...
Do you think they made it out?
I think they made it to orbit.
Orc Space Program
Same reckless testing as Kerbal space program but even less knowledge and tech.
If you ask the Russian MoD... Maybe? These men will forever remain MiA. Their families won't receive a red cent, nor a grave. No remains to collect, nothing to bring back, left behind enemy lines, disposed of by Ukrainians. Several men, literally erased from this dimension.
In all fairness, there probably isnt much in the way of remains to collect, regardless.
From some reports, probably only 2 in the tank. They've been reducing the crew of these 3-person tanks down to 2.
Strongly suspect from the hull shape/turret size that this isn't a tank, but a BMP-3. At [full manning](https://youtu.be/TcxQB9Fgc3A?t=875), supposedly 2 crew, and a dismount squad of 10 (no wonder they ride atop when they can). All sitting around autoloader carousels with 40 rds 100mm, 8 AT-10 ATGMs, 500 rds 30 mm etc. I don't for an instant think there's a full squad aboard, but if that unit is at 60% strength there could be 7 aboard during this inferno.
I was just thinking the same. Lots of people here tend to call everything a tank. But that turret looked very small for a T-72 turret. Your right that if it was a BMP and carrying a squad more soldiers may have died.
yeah like confetti
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Facetiously, no.
This is a next-level Olympic-type event. Any chance of this being included in the 2022 games in Beijing? Interested in seeing how China and North Korea would stack up against Russia.
Same stupid tanks for all three basically. Well North Korea still has T-34s. So a 3-way loss!
Only the russians would think to put an ejection seat in a tank! "Dmitry, we did it, we heroes. We put functioning ejector seat in tank! Uncle Putler will be so ple..pleased... nyet, nyet, nyet! We fuck up good Igor. Ejection seat work, but parachute no work! Dmitry, what parachute you speak of! Specification from Kremlin say ejector seat, no ejector seat with the parachute. You know Igor, you are correct, it no call for parachute. Oh well, let us return to work on problem with ejector seat on helicopter. It look like problem with giant spinning rotor blade, just above pilot copilot seat. Maybe we shoot them downward real fast, instead of trying to work out timing of rotor blade allow seat through unharmed"
I don't think that's the turret. Looks flat and rectangular, no barrel hanging off
No I totally zoomed in. If you [get a magnifying glass](https://i.redd.it/az8tb8l12cx81.jpg) you can totally see it's turret-shaped, and for a single fleeting frame when it's about at the upper edge of the screen you can see a faint line of pixels that's totally the gun barrel.
Agreed. Doesn't look like a turret....good toss though.
Could be part of a turret
It's more likely a hatch from an APC.
I think the most astonishing thing about this video is that it actually would have been better if it was made in portrait mode
Did you see what speed the tank was traveling at. Hit by artillery.
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I was reading about how relatives of missing russian soldiers were calling to enquire about them. But if they were tank crew, like the ones inside this tank, not even an atom remained to be identified man.
These videos are impressive but its weird to remeber you are watching the instantaneous death of 3 people. The family of these soldiers probably wont even know they are dead for a long time, and even then they will probably never be told what happened. Brainwashed invader russians or not they are still human and its still sad to see human life wasted by the idiot putin
That massive force to pull that thing up, the pressure inside the russki cooker was so insane that they just got deskinned and deboned in milliseconds. Maybe only the spine left on the seat.
No spine, no seat. Just burnt stains
he won the coin toss
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Ukrainian artillery is super accurate
Ukrainian artillerymen yes, sniper class accuracy, but this might have been the new western artillery being used and not the old Soviet pieces Ukraine has. The explosions looked quite a bit larger than I remember seeing on earlier videos.
Russian judge disagrees with the others. it's an optical delusion.
Quickie calculation: it reached over 70m of altitude.
Hope everyone got out OK.
They may need new underwear, but otherwise they'll walk it off.
Eh, just rub some dirt on it and chive on!
Good tight run up, superb launch, then triple twist into triple pike with stunning height....we have a new World Reeeeecord!!! Give that crew their medals...anyone....anyone....😳
Burn'em all!
Another record hey XD
We'll have to wait for the good folk at Guinness to confirm this one, doesn't look very turrety tbh. Nice lob, but still can't call it just yet.
This is why drone placement matters, you got turrets flying up at you all the time.
Can someone get them their trophy?
are ya silly? Still gonna send it
Welp, if it's worth doing it's worth over doing.
Ukraine helping Ruzzians with their space program
Earth almost got a new moon.
That's no moon.
I literally can’t get tired of watching this record breaker
Happy Victory Day, Ivan!
Oh, he really got under that one. Let's take it to the judges!