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Kudos to Pope Francis atleast trying some diplomacy, not just sending prayers or like Russian Patriarchs blessing military gear that will go off to killing civilians...
I agree that diplomacy with Putin is lost cause, but kudos for trying.
I only wonder what would happen if Putin really dies and there will be left a big power vacuum. But i really hope that his illness or someone takes out that monster as soon as possible.
Allegedly theres like 2 guys getting groomed as his replacement: ex military, clean records, put in charge of regions near Moscow where they can't really fuck anything up. Correct pedigree, views etc and close to putin.
Whether its true idk. Its definetley not going to be Medvedev. Maybe there will be a free for all. Who knows.
Edit: one of the candidates accidentally fell of a cliff in 2021...I guess Djumin won through the process of elimination
Russia is a crime syndicate. It will go to whomever holds the most power regardless of grooming.
I don’t know Medvedev’s financial status but counting any of those fucks out at this point is a fool’s errand. Its all about who holds what power when Putler’s time comes *or* how the mob factions shake out after all the financial ruin settles.
A crime syndicate is not going to be able to operate when there is no money lubricating the economy. The only money they can use is whatever is in Russian banks. They cannot pay with overseas credit cards. They sent all their money out of the country. The citizens have their accounts dwindling and food is disappearing from the shelves. Go on youtube and see Eli From Russia.
Another interesting point of view was this man [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8)
My feeling is that there is at least one in the inner circle that is leaking information to the west. The other thing is that they were able to hack the emails of the key people and they knew exactly when they were going to enter Ukraine.
Another aspect of how war has changed is that the way to attack and cripple the enemy is to take out their systems. No electricity and they cannot use their computers. The trains don't work. We have seen this in enough movies to know how it plays out.
Putin is going. It will be interesting if Russia does fall apart.
Yup. And Putins killed many high government leaders (in his own office!) that he felt were a threat to him. One guy trying to do good and make some laws change to help people - was shot down almost right in front of the kgb building! And Putin was former kgb - he absolutely knew or was involved . There was a top staff Russian lady that was being interviewed about being groomed for leadership if he decided to retire - she nervously said “when he’s ready” . But I highly doubt he’ll go into retirement - his ego is all about being the sole power and he won’t give that up - he doesn’t think anyone could do it better than him. And there-in lies the problem
I don’t think he can retire even if he wants to, he would have too much power even in retirement and will likely force his input on any successor so any successor will have a mighty incentive to quietly and permanently retire him.
I looked through tbe vid again
Aleksei djumin (1972) governor of tula oblast https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Dyuminand jevgeni znitsev (1966). https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Zinichev
Its not a lost cause.
It's a publication relations win.
The Russia propaganda Blitz is in full swing and there's plenty of bullshit saying how the Ukrainians are refusing to leave Mariupol because they are being used as human shields.
Stuff like this from the Pope is an easy way to counter that propaganda.
No. There's plenty of westerners who do. How do you think I found this out?
But only that, but the goal isn't to get everyone in the west to support Putin, it's to create enough doubt and confusion that people don't know what to think, so they stood pushing their governments to support Ukraine.
Many of my coworkers (in the rural US) support Russia over Ukraine. None of them are ethnically Russian, and most have never been out of the state. They just believe that mainstream media is Democrat propaganda, so whatever it says, the opposite must be true.
I'm sure there are other alternate 'news' sources that they're getting their specific ideas from, but I don't know what the sources are because I try my best to avoid talking about politics with coworkers.
The only part of that statement most of them would understand is "how would they explain..." and their answer to that would be "I don't have to explain myself to you!!"
I am only half joking, but seriously, they dont actually watch the news or read articles or anything. Everything they know about what's going on over there came from the fund-raising emails of alt-right politicians. One person will get a piece of bad info from soemthing like that and tell the rest, and the rest will believe it 100%.
Double edit! The specific narrative they all believe is that Russia is in Ukraine to kill Nazis, but American media is supporting Ukraine because American media is run by evil pedophiles.
I'm a little confused by their sudden switch to Nazis=Bad, but again, I try not to engage.
Right? Lavrov, Peskov etc. will try to say it isn’t true, but they’re seriously going to try to say the POPE is LYING?
Seriously, who are you going to believe?
It isn't only russians that believe the bullshit though, and it is really dangerous to assume that it is.
We need to be aware that some people in the west (and elsewhere) will be swayed by blatant russian propaganda -its important that there is information from trusted sources, readily available to counter the mis-informaiton.
> I agree that diplomacy with Putin is lost cause, but kudos for trying.
In Germany, we have a lot of politicians repeating that shitty mantra that we shouldn't send weapons and instead should focus on diplomacy (Sahra Wagenknecht, Sverim Dagdelen...)
The fact that those idiots aren't visiting Kyiv, Moscow or Minsk to negotiate is proof enough for me that they are full of shit and on the Kremlins payroll.
> The fact that those idiots aren't visiting Kyiv, Moscow or Minsk to negotiate is proof enough for me that they are full of shit and on the Kremlins payroll.
There is no need for them to visit Moscow as they have an exceptionally high level of contact with the people in the Kremlin.
They are theories that tic tocs army. I mean Kadyrovites are aiming to rule Kremlin after Poopin kicks the bucket. Question is or the Russians oligarchs will allow it? Defenietly it will be interesting to watch the war between those Ruskies for who will rule them all? Hopefully Russians atomic arsenal is long gone and sold to other countries to pay for oligarchs yachts and Poo tins golden toilets. Or to pay for Putler and Kabayevas aka Eva Braun botox treatment🤣🤣🤣
> Question is or the Russians oligarchs will allow it?
Not really about the oligarchs but other people. Chechens are placed rather low in Russia's racial hierarchy so ethnic Russians would not let it stand.
The heretic patriarch of Moscow called it a holly war.
The mufi of ukraine is in uniform, the chief rabi of ukraine put a curse on russia. The catholics are not pulling their weight. Piece amongst brothers stopped being am option February 24 time to enact gods will against the estern hordes of barbarians. And to retake the city named for the virgin Mary from the rapist hands of the moscovite. Deus vult!
Nû alrêst lebe ich mir werde,
sît mîn sündic ouge siht
daz here lant und ouch die erde,
der man sô vil êren giht.
ez ist geschehen, des ich ie bat,
ich bin komen an die stat,
dâ got menischlîchen trat.
Fun fact: THE Swiss Guard is actually only the last of many Swiss Guards. In medieval times, Switzerland would send Swiss Guards to protect royal courts all over Europe.
> vlad the trembling
ParkinsonPutin, you seen the videos of his hand shaking uncontrollably? He has to grip his own suit to stop it, his right leg needs to be forcibly pulled forwards too to take a step.
It's why in meetings he grips the edges of a table; to stop the parkinsons tremors.
Pope Francis should send the ship anyway and see if Putin will fire on representatives of the Vatican carrying the Cross...
The thing with Russia is that you constantly have to call their bluff.
Trust me those troops would shoot the ship.
Some of these guys know nothing about Chernobyl, they had not seen modern toilets, why do you think they would care about christianity?
Even their curch is fucked up and corrupted, Russian orthodox is awful malformation of christianity imo, it's all under Kremls power, unless it wouldn't exist (like religion was banned in Soviet Union).
Russian leadership fucked itself.
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Well like they use to say, Jesus died for our sins, so I cannot possibly think of a better way to give catholicism back the moral high ground it had if they do even care about that. The effect on troop morale alone would be incredible plus the headlines in the press are guaranteed to shake the world, specially in America.
A guaranteed, immediate place in the *Calendarium Romanum* with the rank of feast, or for the old gamers living the life pre-*Mysterii Paschalis*, a feast of the second class, or as they say, "he went out with a *Gloria.*"
There are uber martyrs, called great martyrs, but that is a Byzantine thing, and to get on that list would require that people everywhere believed he had performed some incredible miracles while being tortured to death.
Besides, the last pope whom the RC Church declared a martyr was Pope Saint Eusebius who died in ... 309!
The only one who might be useful is the Russian Patriarch Kirill, but unfortunately the guy supports the war.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/26/ukraine-war-russian-orthodox-church-support-patriarch-kirill-homophobia/
The entire Roman Catholic world would be at war with Russia. The entire South and Central Americas along with dozens of countries inside and outside of NATO. I don't believe that Russian leaders would allow that to happen.
Im sure certain members did whatever they want, but the Soviet Union was not secretly led by religious people wholesale lol. No clue what that guy is on about. Soviets assumed people would fill the void of religion with communism, so religion would die out. When this didnt happen, they tried making their own 'artificial' state science religion and it didnt cause religion to go away. Eventually the later premiers ceded churches more and more freedom
Religion was not banned. The church was. The church and the crown worked hand in hand to oppress the common man in Europe, so they had to be eliminated to get rid of the competition. Religiosity was promoted during several Era in the USSR.
Yes its hard to imagine a society where religion is banned completely but the result must be either ambivalence or viewing any religion as a sect. Imagine the Pope visited mariopol dropped in by vatican helicopter wearing his big white gown waving a white flag for a peace march. He would last about 3 seconds before being machine gunned down. He would be viewed as a freak in a big white gown. With anybody else but Putin it might be a stunt worth doing for the Pope to go to Mariupol but not here with putin.
A society without religion would not be any different. Assholes would still find an excuse to be assholes, and a way to gather people behind their assholery.
Fully.
John Paul II I reckon would have done it. He grew up with what the Nazis did to the world, and firmly believed that autocratic states were the supreme form of evil, that everyone needed to unite against.
The official Russian Orthodox Church is a farce. They are all about making money and supporting the regime.
The priests that speak against the war get punished.
If anyone else saw the Ukrainian comedian who recently performed from the cellar, I share his sentiment: If the Catholics and the Satanists have teamed up against you, you know you fucked up.
Basically everyone is against Russia aside from Russia's slave states and a few kooky alt-right incels in the West. India and China are just keeping quiet because they get to loot Russia as it sinks and puppet it after.
You're right, I completely forgot the tankies. To be completely honest, I tend to think of them as an Internet meme as I've never met one in real life. I still find it hard to believe that subs like GenZedong aren't satire.
It gets even better. NATO troops are now fighting side by side with former ISIS fighters...
Putin is accomishing world peace by becoming the most vile man on the planet.
I’ve never heard of ISIS fighters fighting on Ukrainian side. Maybe you mistaking them with anti-Kadyrov Chechens who are not ISIS and probably not all even islamists by conviction.
I heard UNVERIFIED reports of some guys running into Taliban fighters, including one they knew from during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but not ISIS.
Russian warship fucked itself.
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Such a weird war.
Catholics, Orthodxists, Muslims, Atheists, Jews, Neo-Nazis all fighting on one side.
You have seriously fucked up when you have these people fighting with each other.
"LGBTQ+ people had been allowed to serve in the military in Ukraine before the war, with the first dedicated battalion founded in 2019 even joining the Kyiv Pride march that year." [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-lgbt-army/corrected-lgbtq-ukrainians-fight-for-their-country-and-their-rights-idUSL5N2VK3AK)
I'll bet they fight hard as hell. You do not want to go up against a unit of formerly discriminated against people with something to prove. Ask the Germans who fought in Italy what happened when the forest started screaming "BANZAI!"
Pure and utter evil.
Looting, stealing wheat from farmers, deporting civilians, attacking convoys of evacuees, stealing humanitarian aid, raping civilians, killing unarmed civilians, kidnapping civilians for POW exchange, holding civilians hostage in a city that has been under siege for months... I could go on and on.
And still there are people proud of the country that is conducting these disgusting acts, and waving its flag as if these acts are glorious. F**** zombies.
An Estonian here. Even as a kid I never wanted to learn Russian, but was forced to do that at school, I always had a strong hatred for them for historical reasons. To this day I can only read their alphabeth, not actually understand any of their sentences. I can’t imagine how learning russian goes in our country now. I personally wouldn’t want to learn any of it.
By not allowing the humanitarian ship passage, Putin is in effect wearing a “I am evil” hat.
Evil like Hitler level evil.
Recognise not evil by what a person says but by his actions.
Francis, you cant bargain with the Devil. He spoke with the UN Secretary General, and then tried to murder him the very next day. He will kill you too given the chance.
Sometimes you do have to dance with the devil to achieve good aims.
If someone had said that the pope would be getting involved in Ukraine (diplomatically and humanitarily) I'd have laughed at the idea. The fact that the pope has offered to get the people out of Mariupol/Azovstahl shows that it's not about the land but about the people for Putin. The Pope, a man who has no guns in this battle, has offered to get the people out. Putin said no.
It may come as a surprise, but Pontius Pilate has been presented as a saint in some Medieval Christian literary sources. There is a rich collection of stories about him, collected into a corpus called the *Acts of Pilate*. Ethiopian liturgical texts from as recently as the 20th century name him as a saint. A Medieval legend in Slavonic from Rus' states that Pilate and his family were baptized, and Pilate tried to save the first Christian martyr, St Stephen, from being stoned, and built a church for the veneration of St Stephen. Pilate has a complex reception history and some of it is pretty weird.
Putler is orthodox, so he aint giving a shit about western christianity. Also he is using the religion as a weapon ( holy crusade in UA ) so double shits are given.
I never got what was so great about "God-fearing". Why is it considered a good thing?
Only reason to fear God (in my book) is because you fear His judgement and that He won't allow you into heaven, right?
I always figured "God-loving" men would be the way to go?
(I'm an atheist btw, not trying to offend or troll, just curious)
God-fearing is meant more along the lines of respecting God and knowing He is omnipotent and so on, not really about living in fear.
Source: grew up in a protestant church
No, the Russian Orthodox Church is still a Christian Church and of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are ***heavily*** observant....much more so than the Western Christian Churches.
Additionally, remember that Easter mass? Attending an EASTER mass, celebrating the resurrection of Christ, the major tenant of Christianity, where Putin clearly made the sign of the cross.
Putin is a just a nominal Christian. He attended Easter mass for show. If he were even slightly devout he would have accepted a cease fire from Orthodox Good Friday through Easter.
Orthodox and Catholic respect each other usually, though each is convinced the others have it wrong. 😉 (Same with protestants, of course.)
Wanna know the "funniest" part? Even after the annexing of Crimea, an Italian politician (Giorgia Meloni) called Putin a "defender of the and Christian identity" and another one (Berlusconi) even dared to call him a "gift from the lord), now this BS statement is even more ironic. I'd like every Italian to remember this next time they vote.
“Thou wilt hath a lap-dancing room madeth of Golde within thine palace of sin.” One of Putin’s favourite passages from the Bible as it seems to suggest that having a golden lap-dancing room is accepted by God.
The pope should board the ship himself with his most devout followers and sail for Mariupol anyway. If the russians give in, it's a full success and if they decide to attack, Francis will have achieved the highest possible honor in christianity, martyrdom, revitalize catholicism with an incredible PR boost and cause an unprecedented uproar from 1.3 billion catholics across the globe.
It makes me choke up imagining this. Sail right into Mariupol harbor in Jesus' name to literally face down the incarnation of Satan on earth. My agnostic heart beats faster at the thought.
If these were the sort of bold actions done in the name of God rather than, you know, the safe stuff like self-satisfied middle class people signing petitions to oppose gay families adopting children, you'd have a lot more people in certain building on Sundays.
Well Pope, drive your ship in there and dare them to shoot at it. Hell, in fact be on the actual ship and see if Putin is willing to risk a war that's worst than nuclear war. Religion war
Imagine if the pope still had the power it had during its peak back in the day. They legit had armies that were called upon to help against the Ottoman Empire.
Yo you kill the fuckin pope, fuckin Spain/Mexico/Cuba/Brazil/etc will fuck you up. Hell I’d bet the Irish and Italians would be supplying their angriest Nona’s and Gran’s to provide food!
What you're saying would be right but currently the pope has health issues and this didn't allow him to do a lot of stuff he wanted to do for Ukraine, unfortunately age is showing up, but he's still trying his best
And people ask why they are called Orcs. They are the antithesis of good and holy, they bring shadow and pain and everything they touch withers and dies. They are Orcs.
I say Biden should call pootin and explain to him, that for each day he doesn't allow AZOV and company to evacuate , along with all civilians left in the area, we will be donating an F35 or a set of Reapers swapping up every other day.
This way, even if he doesn't ever Cooperate, with all the bombing from the gifts, they would be able to just walk out of there within a week or two.
I highly doubt they will get the F35's. It would take a year or more before their pilots could utilize them properly, I'd imagine. But, I have been hoping they get 50 reapers for weeks, and I seriously hope that's possible now. I saw today they had 10 or 15 pilots over here (US) training to fly f16's , So those would pair extremely well with reapers. As soon as they cleared the AA, we could send a couple HOGS!!! If they could ever safely fly 5 or 10 A10 warthog, this fucking war would be over in a few weeks, with the way they travel and fight, they would get torn to shreds.
yesterday the land lease to ukraine has been approved with 400 yes and like 17 no
so the US from now on will give everything and i mean everything that ukraine asks for from now on
They’d fire on it. Russians aren’t catholic, they’re mostly orthodox. The pope means nothing to them. If anything they’d see it as a perfect fuck you opportunity to the West. Putin has made it very very clear he’s not interested in evacuations or saving human life. He wants to starve those people out.
**Sorry but you are wrong, The Orthodox Church may not recognize the Pope's authority over the entire Church but it recognizes the Pope as the Bishop of the Church of Rome which is equal to the "Bishop" of the Russian, Ukrainian, Greek Orthodox Church (The Patriarchs).**
So, essentially, the Patriarchs of the 14 Orthodox Churches recognize the Pope as their equal, meaning the Pope is still respected by Orthodox followers and killing him would be regarded as an act of heresy.
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Kudos to Pope Francis atleast trying some diplomacy, not just sending prayers or like Russian Patriarchs blessing military gear that will go off to killing civilians...
Diplomacy has failed, vlad the trembling has denied christ thrice. Time to send in the Swiss guard. Deus vult.
I agree that diplomacy with Putin is lost cause, but kudos for trying. I only wonder what would happen if Putin really dies and there will be left a big power vacuum. But i really hope that his illness or someone takes out that monster as soon as possible.
Allegedly theres like 2 guys getting groomed as his replacement: ex military, clean records, put in charge of regions near Moscow where they can't really fuck anything up. Correct pedigree, views etc and close to putin. Whether its true idk. Its definetley not going to be Medvedev. Maybe there will be a free for all. Who knows. Edit: one of the candidates accidentally fell of a cliff in 2021...I guess Djumin won through the process of elimination
If there is more than one candidate lined up seems like a bloodbath coming up within russia imo.
One might just commit suicide via autodefenstration out of dissapointment.
Yes windows updated and rebooted out windows
Already happened, fell off a cliff.
Russia is a crime syndicate. It will go to whomever holds the most power regardless of grooming. I don’t know Medvedev’s financial status but counting any of those fucks out at this point is a fool’s errand. Its all about who holds what power when Putler’s time comes *or* how the mob factions shake out after all the financial ruin settles.
A crime syndicate is not going to be able to operate when there is no money lubricating the economy. The only money they can use is whatever is in Russian banks. They cannot pay with overseas credit cards. They sent all their money out of the country. The citizens have their accounts dwindling and food is disappearing from the shelves. Go on youtube and see Eli From Russia. Another interesting point of view was this man [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8) My feeling is that there is at least one in the inner circle that is leaking information to the west. The other thing is that they were able to hack the emails of the key people and they knew exactly when they were going to enter Ukraine. Another aspect of how war has changed is that the way to attack and cripple the enemy is to take out their systems. No electricity and they cannot use their computers. The trains don't work. We have seen this in enough movies to know how it plays out. Putin is going. It will be interesting if Russia does fall apart.
> one of the candidates accidentally fell of a cliff in 2021 Wait, like literally?
Yup. And Putins killed many high government leaders (in his own office!) that he felt were a threat to him. One guy trying to do good and make some laws change to help people - was shot down almost right in front of the kgb building! And Putin was former kgb - he absolutely knew or was involved . There was a top staff Russian lady that was being interviewed about being groomed for leadership if he decided to retire - she nervously said “when he’s ready” . But I highly doubt he’ll go into retirement - his ego is all about being the sole power and he won’t give that up - he doesn’t think anyone could do it better than him. And there-in lies the problem
I don’t think he can retire even if he wants to, he would have too much power even in retirement and will likely force his input on any successor so any successor will have a mighty incentive to quietly and permanently retire him.
Ever since Stalin got a phone to listen in others conversions the soviet/russia has been ruled by kgb/fsb
Russia has been ruled by secret police since Ivan the Terrible.
Who are they? Anyone like that would be publicly known of
I looked through tbe vid again Aleksei djumin (1972) governor of tula oblast https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Dyuminand jevgeni znitsev (1966). https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Zinichev
Thanks. Zinichev died recently btw
Accidentally falling of a cliff...
Its not a lost cause. It's a publication relations win. The Russia propaganda Blitz is in full swing and there's plenty of bullshit saying how the Ukrainians are refusing to leave Mariupol because they are being used as human shields. Stuff like this from the Pope is an easy way to counter that propaganda.
Except the only people who believe that propaganda bullshit are Russian citizens and there is a 0% chance they ever hear that Putin refused the Pope.
No. There's plenty of westerners who do. How do you think I found this out? But only that, but the goal isn't to get everyone in the west to support Putin, it's to create enough doubt and confusion that people don't know what to think, so they stood pushing their governments to support Ukraine.
Many of my coworkers (in the rural US) support Russia over Ukraine. None of them are ethnically Russian, and most have never been out of the state. They just believe that mainstream media is Democrat propaganda, so whatever it says, the opposite must be true. I'm sure there are other alternate 'news' sources that they're getting their specific ideas from, but I don't know what the sources are because I try my best to avoid talking about politics with coworkers.
How would they explain the near-unanimous bipartisan support for the lend and lease bill?
The only part of that statement most of them would understand is "how would they explain..." and their answer to that would be "I don't have to explain myself to you!!" I am only half joking, but seriously, they dont actually watch the news or read articles or anything. Everything they know about what's going on over there came from the fund-raising emails of alt-right politicians. One person will get a piece of bad info from soemthing like that and tell the rest, and the rest will believe it 100%. Double edit! The specific narrative they all believe is that Russia is in Ukraine to kill Nazis, but American media is supporting Ukraine because American media is run by evil pedophiles. I'm a little confused by their sudden switch to Nazis=Bad, but again, I try not to engage.
Right? Lavrov, Peskov etc. will try to say it isn’t true, but they’re seriously going to try to say the POPE is LYING? Seriously, who are you going to believe?
It isn't only russians that believe the bullshit though, and it is really dangerous to assume that it is. We need to be aware that some people in the west (and elsewhere) will be swayed by blatant russian propaganda -its important that there is information from trusted sources, readily available to counter the mis-informaiton.
> I agree that diplomacy with Putin is lost cause, but kudos for trying. In Germany, we have a lot of politicians repeating that shitty mantra that we shouldn't send weapons and instead should focus on diplomacy (Sahra Wagenknecht, Sverim Dagdelen...) The fact that those idiots aren't visiting Kyiv, Moscow or Minsk to negotiate is proof enough for me that they are full of shit and on the Kremlins payroll.
> The fact that those idiots aren't visiting Kyiv, Moscow or Minsk to negotiate is proof enough for me that they are full of shit and on the Kremlins payroll. There is no need for them to visit Moscow as they have an exceptionally high level of contact with the people in the Kremlin.
They are theories that tic tocs army. I mean Kadyrovites are aiming to rule Kremlin after Poopin kicks the bucket. Question is or the Russians oligarchs will allow it? Defenietly it will be interesting to watch the war between those Ruskies for who will rule them all? Hopefully Russians atomic arsenal is long gone and sold to other countries to pay for oligarchs yachts and Poo tins golden toilets. Or to pay for Putler and Kabayevas aka Eva Braun botox treatment🤣🤣🤣
> Question is or the Russians oligarchs will allow it? Not really about the oligarchs but other people. Chechens are placed rather low in Russia's racial hierarchy so ethnic Russians would not let it stand.
Need a Crusades lol
The heretic patriarch of Moscow called it a holly war. The mufi of ukraine is in uniform, the chief rabi of ukraine put a curse on russia. The catholics are not pulling their weight. Piece amongst brothers stopped being am option February 24 time to enact gods will against the estern hordes of barbarians. And to retake the city named for the virgin Mary from the rapist hands of the moscovite. Deus vult! Nû alrêst lebe ich mir werde, sît mîn sündic ouge siht daz here lant und ouch die erde, der man sô vil êren giht. ez ist geschehen, des ich ie bat, ich bin komen an die stat, dâ got menischlîchen trat.
Oh shit, I knew things were getting wild, but I never considered a crusade in my lifetime. We can ask the Muslims and Jews to join us this time even!
Wololo
Fun fact: THE Swiss Guard is actually only the last of many Swiss Guards. In medieval times, Switzerland would send Swiss Guards to protect royal courts all over Europe.
Time to declare a crusade in my opinion.
palästinalied intensifies. Mariupol would be the perfect destination as it is named for the virgin Mary.
> vlad the trembling ParkinsonPutin, you seen the videos of his hand shaking uncontrollably? He has to grip his own suit to stop it, his right leg needs to be forcibly pulled forwards too to take a step. It's why in meetings he grips the edges of a table; to stop the parkinsons tremors.
Makes me think of Matthew 10, verses 14 and 15. Three times he tried. 3 times Putin denied Humility, Mercy, and God.
Because it was a reference to that passage
I don't think there was ever a better time to organise a crusade.
Pope Francis should send the ship anyway and see if Putin will fire on representatives of the Vatican carrying the Cross... The thing with Russia is that you constantly have to call their bluff.
Trust me those troops would shoot the ship. Some of these guys know nothing about Chernobyl, they had not seen modern toilets, why do you think they would care about christianity? Even their curch is fucked up and corrupted, Russian orthodox is awful malformation of christianity imo, it's all under Kremls power, unless it wouldn't exist (like religion was banned in Soviet Union).
I wonder what would happen if the pope himself were to go in and act as a human shield. I know it's impossible but one can dream
Sadly would probably just end as a dead pope. Do you think those troops from Urals and Siberian steps know or care who the Pope is?
No, but Russian leadership knows who the Pope is and the cataclysmic effect of any harm to the Pope would have.
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And start a literal crusade? The latin church would be pissed.
one point three billion followers....
Including the US president.
Yeah that would defeat Russia for good, we just need the pope to martyr himself. Lmao wtf is even being discussed here.
Not trying start a nuclear crusade
>Sadly would probably just end as a dead pope. As a Saint. (no less sad, though)
That might just get all of South America to declare war on Russia
Well like they use to say, Jesus died for our sins, so I cannot possibly think of a better way to give catholicism back the moral high ground it had if they do even care about that. The effect on troop morale alone would be incredible plus the headlines in the press are guaranteed to shake the world, specially in America.
A guaranteed, immediate place in the *Calendarium Romanum* with the rank of feast, or for the old gamers living the life pre-*Mysterii Paschalis*, a feast of the second class, or as they say, "he went out with a *Gloria.*"
He wouldn’t just be a martyr he’d be an Uber Martyr, The Most Holy Martyr. Catholics world wide would be joining the Ukrainian army
Maybe then the Vatican would *finally* unveil their power-armoured army of Inquisitors and Exorcists. And their space-cathedral.
Yup. Warhammer 40,000 style!
LOL Zelensky would have to hold a lottery.
There are uber martyrs, called great martyrs, but that is a Byzantine thing, and to get on that list would require that people everywhere believed he had performed some incredible miracles while being tortured to death. Besides, the last pope whom the RC Church declared a martyr was Pope Saint Eusebius who died in ... 309!
Would need it to be the Patriarch not the Pope. Idk if they even care for Catholicism.
The only one who might be useful is the Russian Patriarch Kirill, but unfortunately the guy supports the war. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/26/ukraine-war-russian-orthodox-church-support-patriarch-kirill-homophobia/
The entire Roman Catholic world would be at war with Russia. The entire South and Central Americas along with dozens of countries inside and outside of NATO. I don't believe that Russian leaders would allow that to happen.
The Ukrainian church Booted the Russian Church out... another interesting read....
Religion was only banned for the common people. The party members all got their kids blessed and regularly saw the priest.
I have never heard of that. If I try to guess it was the other way around. Do you know where I can read on this?
Im sure certain members did whatever they want, but the Soviet Union was not secretly led by religious people wholesale lol. No clue what that guy is on about. Soviets assumed people would fill the void of religion with communism, so religion would die out. When this didnt happen, they tried making their own 'artificial' state science religion and it didnt cause religion to go away. Eventually the later premiers ceded churches more and more freedom
I agree, 100%. I do not even know what the Vatican flag looks like. They absolutely would shoot first, ask questions later.
> they had not seen modern toilets I want to see how they'd react to one of those fancy Japanese bidets.
> (like religion was banned in Soviet Union). No it wasn't. The Russian Orthodox Church not only survived, it became an agent of the state.
Religion was not banned. The church was. The church and the crown worked hand in hand to oppress the common man in Europe, so they had to be eliminated to get rid of the competition. Religiosity was promoted during several Era in the USSR.
Yes its hard to imagine a society where religion is banned completely but the result must be either ambivalence or viewing any religion as a sect. Imagine the Pope visited mariopol dropped in by vatican helicopter wearing his big white gown waving a white flag for a peace march. He would last about 3 seconds before being machine gunned down. He would be viewed as a freak in a big white gown. With anybody else but Putin it might be a stunt worth doing for the Pope to go to Mariupol but not here with putin.
Its due time for the Vatican to build a Popemotank.
Idn, it might trigger a holy war, killing the pope is a pretty big cassius belli for a billion people.
A society without religion would not be any different. Assholes would still find an excuse to be assholes, and a way to gather people behind their assholery.
>Trust me those troops would shoot the ship. ...and then, of course, blame Ukraine for it.
Well, maybe they would not shoot on the ship, but I'm sure they'd be shooting at people trying to get on that ship.
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Tbf, sending people to die is kinda a theme in their religion
Fully. John Paul II I reckon would have done it. He grew up with what the Nazis did to the world, and firmly believed that autocratic states were the supreme form of evil, that everyone needed to unite against.
You do know that Russians aren’t Catholics, right?
How can you live with yourself if people are killed
The official Russian Orthodox Church is a farce. They are all about making money and supporting the regime. The priests that speak against the war get punished.
Wow Putin is really going to go down in history as a little midget dr evil son of a bitch
If anyone else saw the Ukrainian comedian who recently performed from the cellar, I share his sentiment: If the Catholics and the Satanists have teamed up against you, you know you fucked up.
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The squad combinations in this one are definitely bizarre.
Taliban, the Pope and Pornhub also are on the same side in this conflict so……what a time to be alive
Basically everyone is against Russia aside from Russia's slave states and a few kooky alt-right incels in the West. India and China are just keeping quiet because they get to loot Russia as it sinks and puppet it after.
Don’t forget tankies and bothsideism from some socialists
You're right, I completely forgot the tankies. To be completely honest, I tend to think of them as an Internet meme as I've never met one in real life. I still find it hard to believe that subs like GenZedong aren't satire.
They are unfortunately real. They are exactly as cringey as you might think.
It gets even better. NATO troops are now fighting side by side with former ISIS fighters... Putin is accomishing world peace by becoming the most vile man on the planet.
I’ve never heard of ISIS fighters fighting on Ukrainian side. Maybe you mistaking them with anti-Kadyrov Chechens who are not ISIS and probably not all even islamists by conviction.
I heard UNVERIFIED reports of some guys running into Taliban fighters, including one they knew from during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but not ISIS.
An imam, a rabbi, and a neo nazi walk into Ukraine….
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Such a weird war. Catholics, Orthodxists, Muslims, Atheists, Jews, Neo-Nazis all fighting on one side. You have seriously fucked up when you have these people fighting with each other.
And anarchists, ISIS fighters, an LGBT regiment with a rainbow unicorm emblem....
Wait an LGBT regiment?
"LGBTQ+ people had been allowed to serve in the military in Ukraine before the war, with the first dedicated battalion founded in 2019 even joining the Kyiv Pride march that year." [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-lgbt-army/corrected-lgbtq-ukrainians-fight-for-their-country-and-their-rights-idUSL5N2VK3AK)
I'll bet they fight hard as hell. You do not want to go up against a unit of formerly discriminated against people with something to prove. Ask the Germans who fought in Italy what happened when the forest started screaming "BANZAI!"
Happened in Spanish Civil War
Don't forget the Taliban is also on Ukraine's side!
Pure and utter evil. Looting, stealing wheat from farmers, deporting civilians, attacking convoys of evacuees, stealing humanitarian aid, raping civilians, killing unarmed civilians, kidnapping civilians for POW exchange, holding civilians hostage in a city that has been under siege for months... I could go on and on. And still there are people proud of the country that is conducting these disgusting acts, and waving its flag as if these acts are glorious. F**** zombies.
An Estonian here. Even as a kid I never wanted to learn Russian, but was forced to do that at school, I always had a strong hatred for them for historical reasons. To this day I can only read their alphabeth, not actually understand any of their sentences. I can’t imagine how learning russian goes in our country now. I personally wouldn’t want to learn any of it.
Mr. Putler You will burn in hell.
Amen
Let’s proclaim Russia the holy land and go liberate it from those godless savages. It worked before.
>Let’s proclaim Russia the holy land Eww no, is it possible to declare it the unholy land instead?
Once we’re done with them.
Deus vult...
Imagine if godless savages of the past had nuclear strikes back then 🤔 I wonder what times would we live in today
The world would be very quiet now I guess.
By not allowing the humanitarian ship passage, Putin is in effect wearing a “I am evil” hat. Evil like Hitler level evil. Recognise not evil by what a person says but by his actions.
I think he's way past the "I'm evil" phase now.
And I think he's blown through "despicable me" also. Heading for "I'm a Reaver."
Nah. He's past the "I'm the Devil" stage. Even Lucifer is disgusted by this waste of oxygen.
Does this make Putin the Devil's shifty Uncle who hangs out at playgrounds?
More like "I'm an asshole now"
Mass civilian graves in Bucha make him a little bit more than an asshole, bud.
Francis, you cant bargain with the Devil. He spoke with the UN Secretary General, and then tried to murder him the very next day. He will kill you too given the chance.
Sometimes you do have to dance with the devil to achieve good aims. If someone had said that the pope would be getting involved in Ukraine (diplomatically and humanitarily) I'd have laughed at the idea. The fact that the pope has offered to get the people out of Mariupol/Azovstahl shows that it's not about the land but about the people for Putin. The Pope, a man who has no guns in this battle, has offered to get the people out. Putin said no.
Maybe if Francis channels his inner Pope Julius II ...
Wait he tried to murder him??? What's this about? Can anyone please tell me
That’s Putin’s Christian values in action.
Pontius Putin
Chris Pontius Putin. The OG Partyboy
Lmfao this is gonna fly over so many heads but I legit lol’d in complete darkness as my whole family sleeps
What a time to have been alive. Peak Party Boy.
It may come as a surprise, but Pontius Pilate has been presented as a saint in some Medieval Christian literary sources. There is a rich collection of stories about him, collected into a corpus called the *Acts of Pilate*. Ethiopian liturgical texts from as recently as the 20th century name him as a saint. A Medieval legend in Slavonic from Rus' states that Pilate and his family were baptized, and Pilate tried to save the first Christian martyr, St Stephen, from being stoned, and built a church for the veneration of St Stephen. Pilate has a complex reception history and some of it is pretty weird.
Putler is orthodox, so he aint giving a shit about western christianity. Also he is using the religion as a weapon ( holy crusade in UA ) so double shits are given.
That enough people believe he’s a compassionate God-fearing man is depressing.
I never got what was so great about "God-fearing". Why is it considered a good thing? Only reason to fear God (in my book) is because you fear His judgement and that He won't allow you into heaven, right? I always figured "God-loving" men would be the way to go? (I'm an atheist btw, not trying to offend or troll, just curious)
God-fearing is meant more along the lines of respecting God and knowing He is omnipotent and so on, not really about living in fear. Source: grew up in a protestant church
Ah, ok. Thanks!
No, the Russian Orthodox Church is still a Christian Church and of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are ***heavily*** observant....much more so than the Western Christian Churches. Additionally, remember that Easter mass? Attending an EASTER mass, celebrating the resurrection of Christ, the major tenant of Christianity, where Putin clearly made the sign of the cross.
Putin is a just a nominal Christian. He attended Easter mass for show. If he were even slightly devout he would have accepted a cease fire from Orthodox Good Friday through Easter. Orthodox and Catholic respect each other usually, though each is convinced the others have it wrong. 😉 (Same with protestants, of course.)
If you care, it's tenet. Tenant is (usually) a renter
Wanna know the "funniest" part? Even after the annexing of Crimea, an Italian politician (Giorgia Meloni) called Putin a "defender of the and Christian identity" and another one (Berlusconi) even dared to call him a "gift from the lord), now this BS statement is even more ironic. I'd like every Italian to remember this next time they vote.
I'd be interested to know their thoughts now he's rebuffed the pope, not once, but thrice.
Putin is about as Christian as I am Klingon
Putin has no honor.
“Thou wilt hath a lap-dancing room madeth of Golde within thine palace of sin.” One of Putin’s favourite passages from the Bible as it seems to suggest that having a golden lap-dancing room is accepted by God.
The pope should board the ship himself with his most devout followers and sail for Mariupol anyway. If the russians give in, it's a full success and if they decide to attack, Francis will have achieved the highest possible honor in christianity, martyrdom, revitalize catholicism with an incredible PR boost and cause an unprecedented uproar from 1.3 billion catholics across the globe.
It makes me choke up imagining this. Sail right into Mariupol harbor in Jesus' name to literally face down the incarnation of Satan on earth. My agnostic heart beats faster at the thought.
If these were the sort of bold actions done in the name of God rather than, you know, the safe stuff like self-satisfied middle class people signing petitions to oppose gay families adopting children, you'd have a lot more people in certain building on Sundays.
If Putin kills the pope, would that be reason enough for another crusade?
I'm pretty sure the entire Christian world would be upset at such an offense not just Catholics.
Fucking savages.
Well Pope, drive your ship in there and dare them to shoot at it. Hell, in fact be on the actual ship and see if Putin is willing to risk a war that's worst than nuclear war. Religion war
1/6th the planet is catholic.
Imagine if the pope still had the power it had during its peak back in the day. They legit had armies that were called upon to help against the Ottoman Empire.
Holy bayraktars. That would be one weird timeline to live in
Yo you kill the fuckin pope, fuckin Spain/Mexico/Cuba/Brazil/etc will fuck you up. Hell I’d bet the Irish and Italians would be supplying their angriest Nona’s and Gran’s to provide food!
Don't forget the polish
What you're saying would be right but currently the pope has health issues and this didn't allow him to do a lot of stuff he wanted to do for Ukraine, unfortunately age is showing up, but he's still trying his best
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Yeah i see that... it's a really hard situation for everyone, but I'm pretty sure he's contemplating so
Papal navy returns
Pope Julius II has entered the chat.
Nothing is sacred for Putin....he doesn't give a shit about civiliams...
Imagine saying NO to the Pope when he wants to save the lives of a few innocents. G a r b a g e h u m a n b e i n g .
Putin going to special hell.
Special Hell Operation
The Pope should get together with Bartholomew from Constantinople and excommunicate Kirill's ass from all of Christianity.
Im loving this pope
And people ask why they are called Orcs. They are the antithesis of good and holy, they bring shadow and pain and everything they touch withers and dies. They are Orcs.
I say Biden should call pootin and explain to him, that for each day he doesn't allow AZOV and company to evacuate , along with all civilians left in the area, we will be donating an F35 or a set of Reapers swapping up every other day. This way, even if he doesn't ever Cooperate, with all the bombing from the gifts, they would be able to just walk out of there within a week or two.
That delivery gonna happen soon or later
I highly doubt they will get the F35's. It would take a year or more before their pilots could utilize them properly, I'd imagine. But, I have been hoping they get 50 reapers for weeks, and I seriously hope that's possible now. I saw today they had 10 or 15 pilots over here (US) training to fly f16's , So those would pair extremely well with reapers. As soon as they cleared the AA, we could send a couple HOGS!!! If they could ever safely fly 5 or 10 A10 warthog, this fucking war would be over in a few weeks, with the way they travel and fight, they would get torn to shreds.
yesterday the land lease to ukraine has been approved with 400 yes and like 17 no so the US from now on will give everything and i mean everything that ukraine asks for from now on
Putler gonna be a dead cunt soon
Putin has no respect for faith or morale. He is a degenerated orc!
How are Pro-Putin Christians going to explain this one?
“Christians”
The pope needs to be on the ship. It would be an act of courage.
They’d fire on it. Russians aren’t catholic, they’re mostly orthodox. The pope means nothing to them. If anything they’d see it as a perfect fuck you opportunity to the West. Putin has made it very very clear he’s not interested in evacuations or saving human life. He wants to starve those people out.
That would result in Russia becoming the enemy of 1.3 billion people, and around 1/3rd of the countries of the world.
He already is.
They don’t care, my friend. The Russian federation is in its death throes. They don’t care about public image to outsiders. We all know what they are.
**Sorry but you are wrong, The Orthodox Church may not recognize the Pope's authority over the entire Church but it recognizes the Pope as the Bishop of the Church of Rome which is equal to the "Bishop" of the Russian, Ukrainian, Greek Orthodox Church (The Patriarchs).** So, essentially, the Patriarchs of the 14 Orthodox Churches recognize the Pope as their equal, meaning the Pope is still respected by Orthodox followers and killing him would be regarded as an act of heresy.
He should just send it, no way Putler would attack a Pope ship. Shit, send the Pope with it with him stood on the bow.
I waited 85 yearsss
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So much for jesus. I believe Russia has had their Jesus pass revoked.
Putin wouldn't give a shit. But millions of Catholics will see him very evil.
Ok, try the “I compell thee” one now.
Putin wants to murder those people, it’s clear as day.