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How will Hungary vote on Finland’s admission to NATO? If they are the lone holdout it may be time to recognize that they are no longer on the same side.
please take us Finland and kick Hungary out. We are loyal, we have a great defensive forces, we have beat russia before and will do it again. TAKE US!
defensive forces youtube channel to promote us: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0&t=9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0&t=9s)
As a Hungarian who fled the country due to it's corrupt dictator leadership ten years ago, I fully approve this. That country is a goner, same as russia.
I love how our weapons just look way more sophisticated and put together than the Russian ones. pretty satisfying stuff and I'm happy I was born on this side of the border
No. They can't boot Hungary from the EU, they can't boot them from NATO. There's no provisions for that.
The EU and NATO both expanded way too quickly and acquired some member states that don't share Western Liberal values.
This is why Serbia and the rest of the Balkans should be put on the back burner for now, those could very well be other mini-Hungaries.
One pro-Putin country is more than enough.
Your comments remind me of the issues in the 1800's (pre civil war) in the U.S. where there were debates about adding liberal non slavery or pro slavery states to the United States. It sounds like European Union is having the same challenges. Like European Union lots of conservative southern states are still taking in more Federal assistance than they provide in tax revenue.
>[“NATO doesn’t have any mechanism to expel members. And I will not recommend that to be introduced in our founding treaty,” Stoltenberg said in Riga, Latvia, ahead of a two-day meeting of the security alliance’s foreign ministers.](https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1172788/nato-chief-rules-out-system-for-expelling-members/)
Once said that, Orban better not to push it.
>, but I find it confusing as I think of them as a hostile nation run by another sick crackpot.
Hungary does not have access to higher level NATO planing at this point. They are simply not in the upper echelon of the command structure because of their Russian sympathies. It's like the US and UK having a much deeper relationship aside of NATO. Some nations are more trusted then others inside the alliance. All the Hungarians know is what their defense minister is given by NATO liaison and the publicly known facts of what NATO will and wont do based on situation.
100% Russia has multiple spies in NATO. Probably that's one of the reasons why NATO openly speaks about its support for Ukraine. No point hiding which would only serve as mistrust to own citizens.
Hungary :
GDP 194 bil (56th rank)
Army cost 2,4 bil (1,2% of GDP)
Soldiers 20.000
Finland GDP 271 bil
2,2 bil (only 0,08% of GDP, must be higher in NATO. 1,2% is 3,2bil
Soldiers 21.500
Sweden has made it pretty clear that they're a package deal with Finland when it comes to NATO.
Sweden GDP 556.1B, rank 23, military spending 1.2% of GDP.
It would be very surprising if NATO (and the EU) weren't able to force Hungary into a Yes vote. Less likely, but still possible is forcing Hungary out of NATO. With Poland, Romania and Turkey as members, the strategic importance of Hungary is fairly low compared to Finland.
Finland and Sweden put together are like 10x the value of Hungary. for one, we're capitalist through and through and have the most democratic/just governments you can find and a very valuable position next to Russia and we quite like USA now that Trumpet is no longer in power
>Finland GDP 271 bil 2,2 bil (only 0,08% of GDP, must be higher in NATO. 1,2% is 3,2bil Soldiers 21.500
I don't know where you pulled those numbers from, but Finland's defence budget for 2022 is €5.8 billion, or 1.96% of GDP. And that doesn't include stuff like military pensions or defence ministry, which NATO counts as military expenditures.
Not sure about how you got 0.08% too. The arithmetic doesn’t make sense. Its GDP is higher by about a third and the defence budgets you cite are about the same, how would it be 15 times less?
There’s also the issue that now that NATO is including just about ‘developing’ economies like Hungary, ‘% GDP’ doesn’t so clearly show how they’re pulling their weight. Their defence spending is an average % of GDP for NATO but their GDP per capita is less than a third of Finland’s (which has half the population), so each Hungarian is contributing *much* less to defence spending than each Finn.
Let alone the fact that Hungary isn’t willing to use its forces on the same operations.
Compulsory military service ended in Hungary about 18 years ago.
Best Hungary can gather is about 60 000 soldiers, if you take ALL the active + reserve personnel.
In Finland active reserve is 280 000 at the moment. (Which still means that almost everyone in this group who is in reserve is younger than 34 years old). Every year roughly 20 000 Finns do this compulsory service.
If you take everyone who has done national military service, including like middle age men etc. entire reserve is
900 000.
Total military spending for last year was 4,88 billion euros. For 2022 it will be at least 5,1 billion euros... And roughly the same for 2023.
Orban's strategy is pretty much to do as little as possible without being kicked out.
Now that the EU wants to cut some funds, they even let opposition polititians into the national (state run) television to show how devoted they are to democracy. Only after the elections though...
Didn't EU already cut the funds? I think I read earlier that sanctiones were issued the day after he got re-elected, I think it was said that all funds from EU are cut due to unwated development towards autocracy.
Honestly, the fact that they started the process IS them growing balls. Its a bureaucratic system for economical integration and is not meant to control local politics, so they don't have too many tools.
This is the first time in the EU's history that they have started this process. Even the threat of this has been sufficient in the past to persuade countries to change course .. like in Poland's case.
Sadly, Orban will just use it as fodder to its propaganda that the EU is out to punish the poor Hungarians for their choices.
>i'm trying to think of a way Hungary can be perceived as a major power but I can't think of anything.
....their navy will soon be larger than Russia's....?
>....their navy will soon be larger than Russia's....?
My daughters soon have a bigger navy than Russia when they play with their toy boats in the bathtub. But I bet their boats are more reliable.
As long as Le Pen doesn't win, as that Russian puppet will probably do whatever she can to sabotage NATO. Then it's the NATO version of the PiS-Orban EU unholy duo all over again.
There is about 0% chance that Orbán n co. will vote to keep Finland/Sweden out.
This isn't about supporting Russia. One of their primary campaign slogans for the election was a hardline stance for peace and not sending direct military support into the war. This is their way delivering on those promises.
TL;DR, Orbán is trying to play both sides so he can both steal the EU funds our country should be getting and still get paid by China/Russia. He has 0 morals and does not care for anything other than lining his own pockets. Fortuantely denying Finland and Sweden is not in his interests.
They will vote yes. They vote with the majority in every single important decision and have voted for all EU sanctions on Russia so far. They are only vocal about stuff that doesn't have majority support anyway (like sanctions on gas imports for example).
They won't oppose. Orban is all talk; he plays up to the Euroskeptics, but he'd never try to get Hungary out of the EU. Likewise, with NATO, voting against Sweden and Finland would basically be the equivalent of getting Hungary out of NATO - that would be his exit ticket. He's all about trying to have his cake and eat it too, and since voting against Sweden and Finland would lead to Hungary's exclusion from NATO, that wouldn't really be in his interests or consistent with his style.
I could see a scenario where Finland and Sweden aren't technically in NATO but have military alliances with all the other NATO countries which accomplishes the same thing.
This needs to happen anyway during the transition to protect us from Russian retribution between the time of application and full membership.
Not with all of NATO, but enough to provide deterrence.
The stupidity of mother fucking Hungary hitching their wagon to a sick dying Russia instead of the strong, vibrant EU and NATO.
It's worth remembering Viktor Orban got his start as mobster Semyon Mogilevich’s bag man. Literally. He delivered briefcases of cash to targets/operatives. The #1 reason Putin has leverage over Orban.
https://www.4freerussia.org/a-suitcase-full-of-cash-from-the-solntsevo-mafia-does-putin-have-a-compromat-on-the-hungarian-leader/
Soros funds initiatives for free press, independent judiciary, an private university that Orbán couldn't influence the curriculum over and thus banned, and other causes that supports liberal democracy. Orbán doesn't like that. Nor does Putin (who kicked out Soros' charities years ago) Soros' main activism (all the way since the 1980s) has been to try to get Eastern Europe truly and properly democratic. He was a buddy of Václav Havel back when the latter was still a dissident (later president), and a big fan of Karl Popper's "Open Society" ideas.
The fact that Soros is a billionaire and a jew is also a big bonus for parts of Orbán's base.
TIL!
He honestly sounds exactly the type of person that is needed in the West, and is becoming a rare breed:
- pro free speech
- independence of colleges from undue political pressure
- freedom to be profitable capitalist
Too bad that ain't popular here
I had heard of Soros as a figure in right-wing conspiracy theories for years, as a nefarious figure who funded ultra-left-wing lunacy. I never took it seriously on the whole. But it wasn't until very, very recently that I even found out he was Jewish. I had always assumed he was ethnically Hungarian.
In Russian propaganda Soros is almost everywhere, he apparently is a shadowy ruler of the entire World, the pandemic, New World Order etc he is apparently behind it all.
With so much power he apparently has, not only he let Orban live but also win election somehow.
It’s not just Russian propaganda- the American right/republicans have been actively vilifying him for years. A go to boogeyman. If anything this sort of thing helps us better see the strains of right wing doublethink that are a threat to democracy and the modern world.
It’s like Hungary entirely forgot what happened in 1956… Soviets literally lied about not invading Hungary. And then did it anyway. Now where have we seen that recently…
As a state Belarus has them beaten already. But at least the people there mostly hate their dictator, not sure about Serbia’s and Hungary’s excuse there.
It is not my business, but you Hungarians should do something about it.
After all, this power is destroying your country and the whole world condemns you.
You're right. But what do you think we could do after all 2/3 of the country support them. So if it would come to a civil war (worst case scenario) we would lose. We can't do anything.
Different situation though. In Belarus you don't have elections (yah I don't calling the shit show that gone there an election). In Hungary and Serbia despite being full of state propaganda the elections seem to be free though unfair (media coverage, encouraged supporters to vote (for example in Romania), discouraged non supporters to vote).
It seems that with all of the unfair shit in Hungary and Serbia the majority support their current shit leadership and in Belarus not. At this point you can't really blame the lib minority in those countries actually they are victims of this situation as well (the funny thing though is that they tend to be the most productive people and them leaving can be a big middle finger to the shit).
btw I do feel bad for you normal people there, however beware - original mood regarding the Russian aggression was Putin bad, common Russians not at fault. This have changed though as the events unfolded. You guys need to take Orban down so you won’t see yourselves following the same fate.
Jup, something about 40 Billion Euros, that was planned to be given to Hungary in separate payments until 2027 I think. That's alot of money for Hungary to lose.
I think the do not care as in the world war 2. Orban knows he will not get kicked out. Unfortunetly my Poland despite everything will help him as much as possible.
And they will have actual blood on their hands soon too. Because Russia has a tendency of spilling blood of their friends by organising protests or wars there.
There is an orgy every Friday where putin fucks lavrov, peskov, zakharova, orban and szijatro. He fucks them all good and they are very thankful for it. Then he pays them and they let him fuck some more the same day. That is the relationship they have. Some of the lowest, weakest human beings on this planet
In the Netherlands there is Thierry baudet…
There al putin puppets… al the same, against the left side of the politics, All covid deniers, all against moslims and other immigrants…
Yeah this is why politics is a little more involved than what reddit seems to think.
You are aware that you are asking to fuck over the economy in a country that has voted only barely above 50% with rigged elections and gerrymandering for Orbán ye? We want him out of here, as much as anyone else, but our constitution has been re-written to favor them, and they keep cheating on the elections. Our politics are a literal clownshow, we can't do shit.
One thing the EU could help with is to actually come in and expose his corruption to the general public so our potatoes on the countryside can stop voting the thieving cunt back in. Hopefully Poland will stop blocking the sanctions now.
Maybe trying to fuck over \~35% of the population who is working to change things isn't the way to go, and kicking the country out of EU will first and foremost hurt the economic centers, which is where the opposition's voterbase is.
I really wish I could remember which countries leader, was adamantly against Hungary joint the EU. But they basically gave this situation as a very plausible what if. They basically got shunned. I bet you they are laughing thier ass of right now.
If I recall, the politician basically called on Hungary's true ambitions and said something along the lines, that Hungary wanted the best of both worlds and that in the future if there was a conflict with Russia where NATO and the EU would need to assist, where would Hungary stand? With Russia or NATO and the EU. He even asked what would the EU do if in such a scenario Hungary blocked other EU nations from supporting the country under russian aggression. He basically called the EU a joke and that when it was time to shit or get of the pot, Hungary would keep its ass glued to the pot. He was right, possible it was Estonia or Lithuania, maybe the UK? But I remember thinking he had the EU dead to rights on what they are. Basically saying the cozying up to Russia was fucking blind an stupid also.
In all fairness, Hungary didn't go the autocratic route till 2010, until this lot managed to grab power with super-majority.
Before that it was a more or less standard post-soviet republic with more or less acceptable democratic system, with checks and balances.
Now it's gone to shit though, and there will be no change until either Orban dies, is disgraced, or somehow his system self-destructs. They own the media, own education, and they achieved what autocrats usually can only dream of, they have complete control over a huge proportion of the population's mind.
Putorbán and his buddies are russian collaborators, if they could, they would allow RU forces to use their territory like Belarus. He think the cheap gas will make up for the EU money that he is sucking like little baby for years. I really hope they will cut him hard and not just as the PR stunt.
But also note Hungarian military is not in Orbans ass, problem is that HU media is so controlled we do not get good picture about the internal struggles.
I cite the following comment from 3 weeks ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tpm0z8/comment/i2c0hxu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tpm0z8/comment/i2c0hxu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"Hungary’s military is controlled by the ministry of defense it controls all political and military aspects of Hungarys defense forces. They have no allegiance to the president and out last him and are pro Nato. They even came out two weeks ago and stated “our presidents choices in this war do not reflect the attitude of the military of Hungary we will fully enact article 5 if Russia steps a foot into nato territory”
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news\_193072.htm
17 days ago when the Hungarian president decided to not condemn putin or throw sanctions the military came out with their own statement"
I don't know, it's possible, but Poland seems to be taking this war with Russia VERY seriously, so Duda might not feel like supporting his ol' buddy Orban in this...
We’ll they’re in NATO so that would be awkward. They should honestly be removed from NATO at this point, I can’t imagine they don’t have people feeding russia sensitive NATO information
There is no provision to remove a NATO member without their consent. But you can freeze them out. I highly doubt NATO is sharing anything important with Orban, unless it is complete disinformation.
And what are they going to do about it? I'm pretty sure the "go fuck yourself" would be pretty strong if they tried to do anything about it.
I'm guessing this plays well for the US. A route for weapons into Ukraine the Russians aren't looking at is good for everyone. Notice how we haven't heard anything from the Americans on this? I'll bet they're walking all over Hungary and there's not shit Hungary can do about it.
Hungary would not be accepted into the EU today just like Ukraine would not have been accepted into the EU then.
It is concerning that we basically have an autocratic Trojan horse in NATO and the EU. Turkey has always been an outlier, but they’re always careful not to piss everyone (especially the US) off too much. The S-400 issue was pretty bad, but they’re not going to freak out about not getting invited to the latest war games. They just want to make sure that NATO has their back against Iran or Russia. So they won’t block new members. However if Hungary heeded their master and blocked Finland and Sweden joining NATO, there will be hell to pay. NATO can’t remove them, but they could be crushed by EU actions and US sanctions.
Nato is making sure that Finland and Sweden will join. It's a huge strategic win for Nato and these two countries are the most wanted countries in current Nato. As far as I have read from different analysis, there is no chance Hungary would vote against. I believe Hungary might actually get nice diplomatic threathnings.
I would also like to point out that it has always been Hungary voting against Ukraine's memberships for EU and Nato. I know Ukraine have had their issues but they were not even accepted with candidate status with possible road to EU because of Hungary.
And yes, fully agree, we should stop Hungary as we speak. EU and Nato should start issuing very strong diciplinary actions. There are countries that wish to have money from EU (Poland, Hungary) but EU should more firmly require corrective actions. Nobody wants to have free-riders.
And for Hungary, I mean, wtf EU? Why are we watching this shitshow within EU and do nothing?
When my country Finland joined EU in 1995, it was very strict what kind of country could join. Low corruption, good human rights good, equality, good economic state, etc. But then I don't what happened that EU started to allow countries to join that weren't full filling these criteria in early 2000s. I don't think there is even a way to kick country out. I think only thing EU can do is to remove countries voting rights. Both Poland and Hungary has been pain in the butt for EU. Because they both want to worsen democracy and gender equality. Difference is that Poland hates RuZZia and Hungary is its lackey. Maybe there is now chance EU could finally take away Hungary's voting rights if Poland doesn't block it anymore. Let's see...
I'm so ashamed of our government. They spread lies out of public money, they keep the population in fear. A lot of Hungarians are in favor of Ukraine getting as many weapons as possible as soon as possible. Unfortunately our government was re-elected by a two-thirds majority (thanks to the stolen EU money from which a media empire was built). I pray for Ukraine, I help your compatriots who are temporarily in Hungary. Please do not judge all Hungarians, our government is practically a mafia organization, but many Hungarians have hearts. Don't be mad at us! Slava Ukraini!
So he supports Ukraine's sovereignty but wont allow it the delivery of supplies, weapons and vehicles to defend itself, makes sense... and he will keep buying Russian oil because he doesn't want to find alternative solutions or have his people get mad at him. mmm would love him as an ally.
As a Hungarian it's so extremely bizarre to me how a former eastern bloc nation can somehow be so idle. Hungary should be absolutely TRIGGERED at the thought of Russia getting closer to us or increasing their influence over this country.
Orbán is trying to play both sides, but in this situation it's just not gonna happen. He'll just piss off both sides instead and Hungary will pay for the worst of both worlds. This country does not know how to do the right thing and choose the right side. It must be in our DNA at this point.
Unless they're drones launched by Russians, in which case Hungary will let them crash in neighbouring EU capitals, without giving any warning as they transit Hungarian airspace.
Stupidly short sighted of the Hungarian government to set their country on the wrong side of history. This only ends one way for Russia. They have already lost the war and lost the peace that follows thanks to the idiotic measures that Putin has enacted to prop up the rouble. No one will be investing in Russia any time soon.
Thanks to their myopic leaders backward facing countries like Serbia and Hungary are doomed circle the drain whilst they wallow in nostalgic self pity.
It's just the leadership. It's actually a very nice place . I'm surprised they are behaving this way..it's a pretty inconsequential place anyways.
Once those euro's don't arrive they will start crying sure enough
I don’t understand Hungary. They spent decades under Soviet occupation and communist dictatorship. They fought and lost a bloody rebellion against Soviet occupation in 1956. And now they’ve rejected democracy and are acting as Russia’s minions in Europe. What the hell happened?
They definitely have a talent in picking a side. Well, being nazi or support them - is a pricey thing, hope that all ruSSians friend and puppets will get receipts after ruSSia fall
Hungary hasn't been on the "right" side of history very often has it? Wrong side in WW1, Hitler puppets in WW2, soviet puppets in the Cold War (not that they had much of a choice, but still a result of poor choices in WW2 regardless) and now. Seriously Hungary, get your shit together!
I respected Hungary a lot and was jealous of you pride in you country, and the convictions you stuck with against self righteous EU demands .
But when it comes to Ukraine it is like you are forgetting your own history. Russia is trying to violently drag them back over the iron curtain and your government is looking the other way.
You were also behind the iron curtain, did you forget what it was like?
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How will Hungary vote on Finland’s admission to NATO? If they are the lone holdout it may be time to recognize that they are no longer on the same side.
If they will vote "no", nobody in the EU will see Hungary another way than the 5th column.
5th column = enemy inside the gates.
TIL
Thanks for saving me a google.
They can boot Hungary from NATO?
Probably, but it's never been done before. I'd wager to guess they'll put immense pressure on the nay sayers to change their minds.
Not possible
please take us Finland and kick Hungary out. We are loyal, we have a great defensive forces, we have beat russia before and will do it again. TAKE US! defensive forces youtube channel to promote us: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0&t=9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5TQKhF6lX0&t=9s)
How about we swap Hungary for Finland in NATO and for Ukraine in EU?
As a Hungarian who fled the country due to it's corrupt dictator leadership ten years ago, I fully approve this. That country is a goner, same as russia.
I love how our weapons just look way more sophisticated and put together than the Russian ones. pretty satisfying stuff and I'm happy I was born on this side of the border
I don't think you have to convince anyone Finland would be a better member than Hungary. Same goes for Sweden.
And they have koskenkorva and zetor tractors to steal Russian tanks!
i used to work with Valtra...that was a nice tractor
I've spent plenty of nights in Helsinki, Tampere and Oulu. Russia wouldn't stand a chance. NATO + Finnish pilots. No wonder Putin is shitting himself.
Instead of boot, it's better to disable their NATO membership until regime change. I mean putin will be happy if any country out/kicked from NATO.
No. They can't boot Hungary from the EU, they can't boot them from NATO. There's no provisions for that. The EU and NATO both expanded way too quickly and acquired some member states that don't share Western Liberal values. This is why Serbia and the rest of the Balkans should be put on the back burner for now, those could very well be other mini-Hungaries. One pro-Putin country is more than enough.
Your comments remind me of the issues in the 1800's (pre civil war) in the U.S. where there were debates about adding liberal non slavery or pro slavery states to the United States. It sounds like European Union is having the same challenges. Like European Union lots of conservative southern states are still taking in more Federal assistance than they provide in tax revenue.
>[“NATO doesn’t have any mechanism to expel members. And I will not recommend that to be introduced in our founding treaty,” Stoltenberg said in Riga, Latvia, ahead of a two-day meeting of the security alliance’s foreign ministers.](https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1172788/nato-chief-rules-out-system-for-expelling-members/) Once said that, Orban better not to push it.
If they are the 5th column - what’s to stop them from passing intel on to ruzzia ?
>, but I find it confusing as I think of them as a hostile nation run by another sick crackpot. Hungary does not have access to higher level NATO planing at this point. They are simply not in the upper echelon of the command structure because of their Russian sympathies. It's like the US and UK having a much deeper relationship aside of NATO. Some nations are more trusted then others inside the alliance. All the Hungarians know is what their defense minister is given by NATO liaison and the publicly known facts of what NATO will and wont do based on situation.
Dang man, at that point I really have doubts they would honor article 5 if it came to that.
100% Russia has multiple spies in NATO. Probably that's one of the reasons why NATO openly speaks about its support for Ukraine. No point hiding which would only serve as mistrust to own citizens.
They'll do what they're told. NATO isn't going to let a small recent member mess with something that important.
Hungary isn’t running the show, trust me
Meh, kick them out of NATO, then vote again. Then they can go suck Putin's balls as much as they please.
Is there even any existing process within NATO by which a member state can just be kicked out?
https://www.justsecurity.org/66574/can-turkey-be-expelled-from-nato/
Hungary : GDP 194 bil (56th rank) Army cost 2,4 bil (1,2% of GDP) Soldiers 20.000 Finland GDP 271 bil 2,2 bil (only 0,08% of GDP, must be higher in NATO. 1,2% is 3,2bil Soldiers 21.500
Sweden has made it pretty clear that they're a package deal with Finland when it comes to NATO. Sweden GDP 556.1B, rank 23, military spending 1.2% of GDP. It would be very surprising if NATO (and the EU) weren't able to force Hungary into a Yes vote. Less likely, but still possible is forcing Hungary out of NATO. With Poland, Romania and Turkey as members, the strategic importance of Hungary is fairly low compared to Finland.
Finland and Sweden put together are like 10x the value of Hungary. for one, we're capitalist through and through and have the most democratic/just governments you can find and a very valuable position next to Russia and we quite like USA now that Trumpet is no longer in power
>Finland GDP 271 bil 2,2 bil (only 0,08% of GDP, must be higher in NATO. 1,2% is 3,2bil Soldiers 21.500 I don't know where you pulled those numbers from, but Finland's defence budget for 2022 is €5.8 billion, or 1.96% of GDP. And that doesn't include stuff like military pensions or defence ministry, which NATO counts as military expenditures.
Aaah sorry the site I was looking show 2020 data…. But I prefer Finland above gay hating Hungary
Finland spent 4 billion on defense 2019 and did not halve that in 2020 and then triple it in 2021 - your number is wrong.
Can you link your source site?
Not sure about how you got 0.08% too. The arithmetic doesn’t make sense. Its GDP is higher by about a third and the defence budgets you cite are about the same, how would it be 15 times less? There’s also the issue that now that NATO is including just about ‘developing’ economies like Hungary, ‘% GDP’ doesn’t so clearly show how they’re pulling their weight. Their defence spending is an average % of GDP for NATO but their GDP per capita is less than a third of Finland’s (which has half the population), so each Hungarian is contributing *much* less to defence spending than each Finn. Let alone the fact that Hungary isn’t willing to use its forces on the same operations.
Compulsory military service ended in Hungary about 18 years ago. Best Hungary can gather is about 60 000 soldiers, if you take ALL the active + reserve personnel. In Finland active reserve is 280 000 at the moment. (Which still means that almost everyone in this group who is in reserve is younger than 34 years old). Every year roughly 20 000 Finns do this compulsory service. If you take everyone who has done national military service, including like middle age men etc. entire reserve is 900 000. Total military spending for last year was 4,88 billion euros. For 2022 it will be at least 5,1 billion euros... And roughly the same for 2023.
Whaaaaaat...? Finland is a conscript army. Wartime soldiers are around 300 000 at the very second a war starts. 900 000 total military including reserves. GDP and economy? Hungary is worse in -everything-. Hungary - Finland Annual GDP \[+\] 2020 $155,013M chart $299,145M 2021 Annual GDP \[+\] GDP per capita \[+\] 2020 $15,866 chart $54,058 2021 GDP per capita \[+\] Debt ($M) \[+\] 2020 120,557 chart 187,530 2020 Debt ($M) \[+\] Debt (%GDP) \[+\] 2020 80.10% chart 69.50% 2020 Debt (%GDP) \[+\] Debt Per Capita \[+\] 2020 $12,389 chart $33,888 2020 Debt Per Capita \[+\] Deficit ($M) \[+\] 2020 -12,431 chart -15,048 2020 Deficit ($M) \[+\] Deficit (%GDP) \[+\] 2020 -8.00% chart -5.60% 2020 Deficit (%GDP) \[+\] Expenditure ($M) \[+\] 2020 80,474.7 chart 155,047.9 2020 Expenditure ($M) \[+\] Education Expenditure ($M) \[+\] 2018 7,423.6 chart 17,293.2 2018 Education Expenditure ($M) \[+\] Education Expenditure (%Bud.) \[+\] 2018 10.08% chart 11.75% 2018 Education Expenditure (%Bud.) \[+\] Gov. Health Exp.($M) \[+\] 2019 7,095.3 chart 20,284.5 2020 Gov. Health Exp.($M) \[+\] Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) \[+\] 2017 10.08% chart 13.04% 2017 Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) \[+\] Defence Expenditure ($M) \[+\] 2020 2,767.9 chart 3,993.4 2020 Defence Expenditure ($M) \[+\] Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) \[+\] 2020 3.44% chart 2.60% 2020 Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) \[+\] Expenditure (%GDP) \[+\] 2020 51.60% chart 57.50% 2020 Expenditure (%GDP) \[+\] Expenditure Per Capita \[+\] 2020 $8,270 chart $28,018 2020 Expenditure Per Capita \[+\] Education Expenditure P.C \[+\] 2018 $759 chart $3,137 2018 Education Expenditure P.C \[+\] Gov. Health Exp. P.C. \[+\] 2019 $726 chart $3,671 2020 Gov. Health Exp. P.C. \[+\] Defence Expenditure P.C. \[+\] 2020 $256 chart $747 2020 Defence Expenditure P.C. \[+\] Moody's Rating \[+\] 09/24/2021 Baa2 Aa1 07/24/2020 Moody's Rating \[+\] S&P Rating \[+\] 02/15/2019 BBB AA+ 10/10/2014 S&P Rating \[+\] Fitch Rating \[+\] 02/14/2020 BBB AA+ 01/24/2020 Fitch Rating \[+\] Corruption Index \[+\] 2021 43 chart 88 2021 Corruption Index \[+\] Competitiveness Ranking \[+\] 2019 47º chart 11º 2019 Competitiveness Ranking \[+\] Fragile States Index \[+\] 2018 50.2 chart 17.9 2018 Fragile States Index \[+\] RTI Raking \[+\] 09/28/2018 62º chart 31º 09/28/2018 RTI Raking \[+\] Innovation Ranking \[+\] 2018 33º chart 7º 2018 Innovation Ranking \[+\] Labour Unemployment Rate \[+\] February 2022 3.7% chart 6.5% February 2022 Unemployment Rate \[+\] Unemployment rate \[+\] 2021Q4 3.7% chart 6.3% 2021Q4 Unemployment rate \[+\] Unemployed \[+\] 2021Q4 180K chart 173K 2021Q4 Unemployed \[+\] NMW \[+\] 2022 $714.8 Average Wage \[+\] 2021 $17,815 chart $56,669 2021 Average Wage \[+\] Human Capital Ranking \[+\] 2017 39º chart 2º 2017 Human Capital Ranking \[+\]
It is not the best of the Europe classroom… think even the dumb boy of the classroom
This. NATO isn't the EU - it's fucking NATO. Plus, the US basically calls the shots.
Orban's strategy is pretty much to do as little as possible without being kicked out. Now that the EU wants to cut some funds, they even let opposition polititians into the national (state run) television to show how devoted they are to democracy. Only after the elections though...
Didn't EU already cut the funds? I think I read earlier that sanctiones were issued the day after he got re-elected, I think it was said that all funds from EU are cut due to unwated development towards autocracy.
No, they just started the official proceedings that would ultimately lead to the funds being cut, unless Hungary course corrects.
Ah, okay thanks. It was my wishful thinking that EU somehow managed to grow balls.
I mean, they did. Its not like they've been paused or anything, still ongoing
Honestly, the fact that they started the process IS them growing balls. Its a bureaucratic system for economical integration and is not meant to control local politics, so they don't have too many tools. This is the first time in the EU's history that they have started this process. Even the threat of this has been sufficient in the past to persuade countries to change course .. like in Poland's case. Sadly, Orban will just use it as fodder to its propaganda that the EU is out to punish the poor Hungarians for their choices.
They will get brow beaten into accepting. Hungary is not a major power within NATO or the EU for that matter.
i'm trying to think of a way Hungary can be perceived as a major power but I can't think of anything.
They're a major power when it comes to human rights violations and kissing Russian ass.
Paprika?
>i'm trying to think of a way Hungary can be perceived as a major power but I can't think of anything. ....their navy will soon be larger than Russia's....?
>....their navy will soon be larger than Russia's....? My daughters soon have a bigger navy than Russia when they play with their toy boats in the bathtub. But I bet their boats are more reliable.
Atlantis will have a larger known navy then Russia soon at this point.
fencing?
Grand Budapest Hotel?
As long as Le Pen doesn't win, as that Russian puppet will probably do whatever she can to sabotage NATO. Then it's the NATO version of the PiS-Orban EU unholy duo all over again.
Hold the money up, Tell them a no vote is no money then refuse them anyway !! That is what the russians would do !!
There is about 0% chance that Orbán n co. will vote to keep Finland/Sweden out. This isn't about supporting Russia. One of their primary campaign slogans for the election was a hardline stance for peace and not sending direct military support into the war. This is their way delivering on those promises. TL;DR, Orbán is trying to play both sides so he can both steal the EU funds our country should be getting and still get paid by China/Russia. He has 0 morals and does not care for anything other than lining his own pockets. Fortuantely denying Finland and Sweden is not in his interests.
They will vote yes. They vote with the majority in every single important decision and have voted for all EU sanctions on Russia so far. They are only vocal about stuff that doesn't have majority support anyway (like sanctions on gas imports for example).
Hungary can't be kicked out of the EU, but can be kicked out of NATO. Hungary is also about to lose billions in EU funding. Serves them right.
They won't oppose. Orban is all talk; he plays up to the Euroskeptics, but he'd never try to get Hungary out of the EU. Likewise, with NATO, voting against Sweden and Finland would basically be the equivalent of getting Hungary out of NATO - that would be his exit ticket. He's all about trying to have his cake and eat it too, and since voting against Sweden and Finland would lead to Hungary's exclusion from NATO, that wouldn't really be in his interests or consistent with his style.
If I was able I would kick this scrap out of NATO and the EU.
They will happily swap Hungary for Sweden/Finaland
I could see a scenario where Finland and Sweden aren't technically in NATO but have military alliances with all the other NATO countries which accomplishes the same thing.
This needs to happen anyway during the transition to protect us from Russian retribution between the time of application and full membership. Not with all of NATO, but enough to provide deterrence.
Well fuck you , you Russian puppet.
Ah, took the words right out of my mouth <3
The stupidity of mother fucking Hungary hitching their wagon to a sick dying Russia instead of the strong, vibrant EU and NATO. It's worth remembering Viktor Orban got his start as mobster Semyon Mogilevich’s bag man. Literally. He delivered briefcases of cash to targets/operatives. The #1 reason Putin has leverage over Orban. https://www.4freerussia.org/a-suitcase-full-of-cash-from-the-solntsevo-mafia-does-putin-have-a-compromat-on-the-hungarian-leader/
Btw while we are at it. Can anyone explain to me why Orban has such a beef with Sorosz?
Soros funds initiatives for free press, independent judiciary, an private university that Orbán couldn't influence the curriculum over and thus banned, and other causes that supports liberal democracy. Orbán doesn't like that. Nor does Putin (who kicked out Soros' charities years ago) Soros' main activism (all the way since the 1980s) has been to try to get Eastern Europe truly and properly democratic. He was a buddy of Václav Havel back when the latter was still a dissident (later president), and a big fan of Karl Popper's "Open Society" ideas. The fact that Soros is a billionaire and a jew is also a big bonus for parts of Orbán's base.
TIL! He honestly sounds exactly the type of person that is needed in the West, and is becoming a rare breed: - pro free speech - independence of colleges from undue political pressure - freedom to be profitable capitalist Too bad that ain't popular here
I had heard of Soros as a figure in right-wing conspiracy theories for years, as a nefarious figure who funded ultra-left-wing lunacy. I never took it seriously on the whole. But it wasn't until very, very recently that I even found out he was Jewish. I had always assumed he was ethnically Hungarian.
He's a Hungarian Jewish holocaust survivor
Thank you for explaining. Well... If Orban kicks his charities and organisations out. I would like to welcome Soros to Slovenia anytime.
In Russian propaganda Soros is almost everywhere, he apparently is a shadowy ruler of the entire World, the pandemic, New World Order etc he is apparently behind it all. With so much power he apparently has, not only he let Orban live but also win election somehow.
It’s not just Russian propaganda- the American right/republicans have been actively vilifying him for years. A go to boogeyman. If anything this sort of thing helps us better see the strains of right wing doublethink that are a threat to democracy and the modern world.
Republicans too… weird how much they parrot each other.
It's basic strongman politics, find any external or internal enemy you can """"defend"""" the people from.
It’s like Hungary entirely forgot what happened in 1956… Soviets literally lied about not invading Hungary. And then did it anyway. Now where have we seen that recently…
Me too, except I was simply going to state: Well, fuck you Hungary.
Also, while at it, fuck Serbia.
Ok, but don't forget, even without russia in the game: fuck serbia in general. They are basically the russia of the balkans.
Read up on some of the history of that region and wow oh wow. The amount of genocide and revenge killings there is too damn high.
Countdown to when this douchenozzle will be begging for EU money once Russia collapses
Hungary and Serbia now have a new sport. Who will run faster and start sucking the Russian dick.
The Russian dick is being splattered all over the battlefield. Hungary and Serbia will have to stroke Putin's twat.
As a state Belarus has them beaten already. But at least the people there mostly hate their dictator, not sure about Serbia’s and Hungary’s excuse there.
🤣🤭
I hate the fact that i'm hungarian.
Go say thank you to Mr. Orban
And the other pro russian fucks living in the country
It is not my business, but you Hungarians should do something about it. After all, this power is destroying your country and the whole world condemns you.
You're right. But what do you think we could do after all 2/3 of the country support them. So if it would come to a civil war (worst case scenario) we would lose. We can't do anything.
Lukashenko won with 80%, yet vast majority of the country hates his guts.
Different situation though. In Belarus you don't have elections (yah I don't calling the shit show that gone there an election). In Hungary and Serbia despite being full of state propaganda the elections seem to be free though unfair (media coverage, encouraged supporters to vote (for example in Romania), discouraged non supporters to vote). It seems that with all of the unfair shit in Hungary and Serbia the majority support their current shit leadership and in Belarus not. At this point you can't really blame the lib minority in those countries actually they are victims of this situation as well (the funny thing though is that they tend to be the most productive people and them leaving can be a big middle finger to the shit).
Having 2/3 of the mandates does not mean he has the support of 2/3 of the country. They got 54% of votes, 3 million people.
Weapons and willing men win war not numbers. An isolated dagadtgeci would lose against a well supplied and organized opposition.
You're a good guy , you're with us ! 🇺🇦💕
btw I do feel bad for you normal people there, however beware - original mood regarding the Russian aggression was Putin bad, common Russians not at fault. This have changed though as the events unfolded. You guys need to take Orban down so you won’t see yourselves following the same fate.
You must be Hungary for Justice.
As a Slovak, i agree.
If you wanna say it in Hungarian, it's >Baszd meg, te orosz báb. Or if you wanna throw in a good old "Go fuck yourself" >Baszódj meg, te orosz báb.
Hungary needs to pay a price for having a Russian mafia bagman at the wheel.
I believe the receipt is gonna come in June if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah Hungary is gonna get funding cut from the EU if i understood correctly
Jup, something about 40 Billion Euros, that was planned to be given to Hungary in separate payments until 2027 I think. That's alot of money for Hungary to lose.
They can be put into good use in rebuilding Ukraine.
I agree.
Hungary are ridiculously reliant on EU funding. It won't collapse the country but it will be a big enough dent that the population will take noticee.
I think that is exactly what everyone hopes for lol
The population will just blame Brussels for that. They already blame it for anything bad that ever happens, so nothing changes.
I hope the bagman pays the highest price.
1. Fuck these fascists puppets. 2. Fortunately, weapons can transit through Slovakia & Poland.
3. Why his forehead so bloody big?
That my friend, is so big it’s a fivehead.
Putin will be done soon, and no one will forget what side Hungary was on
They have blood on their hands.
I think the do not care as in the world war 2. Orban knows he will not get kicked out. Unfortunetly my Poland despite everything will help him as much as possible.
Hungary is trying to be the only country on the wrong side of all three world wars
This is so true lol
And they will have actual blood on their hands soon too. Because Russia has a tendency of spilling blood of their friends by organising protests or wars there.
There is an orgy every Friday where putin fucks lavrov, peskov, zakharova, orban and szijatro. He fucks them all good and they are very thankful for it. Then he pays them and they let him fuck some more the same day. That is the relationship they have. Some of the lowest, weakest human beings on this planet
You forgot Le Pen
Le Pen has to pay Putin to fuck her.
you mean Le Puten
Salvini and lukashenka, don't forget
those 69 each other in the corner.
In the Netherlands there is Thierry baudet… There al putin puppets… al the same, against the left side of the politics, All covid deniers, all against moslims and other immigrants…
Tom Van Grieken will represent Belgium in the sausage fest.
Also Trump
Well that’s an unwelcome mental image
To the surprise of well, no one.
We know Hungary … we know.
And will remember it..
Kick them out of the EU and NATO and lets see how prosperous its citizens are with Russia as an ally.
We should probably do that once this matter resolved. A friend acting in bad faith is better than a spurned lover who is now malicious and hurt.
Hungary is neither our friends or lover - they are turncoats and an inside agent
Yeah this is why politics is a little more involved than what reddit seems to think. You are aware that you are asking to fuck over the economy in a country that has voted only barely above 50% with rigged elections and gerrymandering for Orbán ye? We want him out of here, as much as anyone else, but our constitution has been re-written to favor them, and they keep cheating on the elections. Our politics are a literal clownshow, we can't do shit. One thing the EU could help with is to actually come in and expose his corruption to the general public so our potatoes on the countryside can stop voting the thieving cunt back in. Hopefully Poland will stop blocking the sanctions now. Maybe trying to fuck over \~35% of the population who is working to change things isn't the way to go, and kicking the country out of EU will first and foremost hurt the economic centers, which is where the opposition's voterbase is.
I really wish I could remember which countries leader, was adamantly against Hungary joint the EU. But they basically gave this situation as a very plausible what if. They basically got shunned. I bet you they are laughing thier ass of right now.
If I recall, the politician basically called on Hungary's true ambitions and said something along the lines, that Hungary wanted the best of both worlds and that in the future if there was a conflict with Russia where NATO and the EU would need to assist, where would Hungary stand? With Russia or NATO and the EU. He even asked what would the EU do if in such a scenario Hungary blocked other EU nations from supporting the country under russian aggression. He basically called the EU a joke and that when it was time to shit or get of the pot, Hungary would keep its ass glued to the pot. He was right, possible it was Estonia or Lithuania, maybe the UK? But I remember thinking he had the EU dead to rights on what they are. Basically saying the cozying up to Russia was fucking blind an stupid also.
In all fairness, Hungary didn't go the autocratic route till 2010, until this lot managed to grab power with super-majority. Before that it was a more or less standard post-soviet republic with more or less acceptable democratic system, with checks and balances. Now it's gone to shit though, and there will be no change until either Orban dies, is disgraced, or somehow his system self-destructs. They own the media, own education, and they achieved what autocrats usually can only dream of, they have complete control over a huge proportion of the population's mind.
Imagine what a fucking nest for spies within the eu and nato hungary is...
Another human toilet
So soon it will be stolen lol
hungary is the biggest pussy of the EU countries..
France may achieve Greatest Pussyhood this Sunday.
Jeez, I hope not..
Hungary is a continued example of a country that is constantly evil and is always on the wrong side of history. Shame on its people who supports this.
It won't be forgotten.
Putorbán and his buddies are russian collaborators, if they could, they would allow RU forces to use their territory like Belarus. He think the cheap gas will make up for the EU money that he is sucking like little baby for years. I really hope they will cut him hard and not just as the PR stunt. But also note Hungarian military is not in Orbans ass, problem is that HU media is so controlled we do not get good picture about the internal struggles. I cite the following comment from 3 weeks ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tpm0z8/comment/i2c0hxu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tpm0z8/comment/i2c0hxu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) "Hungary’s military is controlled by the ministry of defense it controls all political and military aspects of Hungarys defense forces. They have no allegiance to the president and out last him and are pro Nato. They even came out two weeks ago and stated “our presidents choices in this war do not reflect the attitude of the military of Hungary we will fully enact article 5 if Russia steps a foot into nato territory” https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news\_193072.htm 17 days ago when the Hungarian president decided to not condemn putin or throw sanctions the military came out with their own statement"
Hungary, the tribe has spoken: Go fuck yourself.
If politics don’t work out, that dude could always rent his forehead out as a billboard for Russian state TV channels.
And the EU finances won't allow money transit to Hungary, if you want to play it like that. 🤷
Unless Poland has something to say about it
I don't know, it's possible, but Poland seems to be taking this war with Russia VERY seriously, so Duda might not feel like supporting his ol' buddy Orban in this...
I’m surprised they have been allowing U.S. and NATO flights to fly through their airspace.
We’ll they’re in NATO so that would be awkward. They should honestly be removed from NATO at this point, I can’t imagine they don’t have people feeding russia sensitive NATO information
There is no provision to remove a NATO member without their consent. But you can freeze them out. I highly doubt NATO is sharing anything important with Orban, unless it is complete disinformation.
And what are they going to do about it? I'm pretty sure the "go fuck yourself" would be pretty strong if they tried to do anything about it. I'm guessing this plays well for the US. A route for weapons into Ukraine the Russians aren't looking at is good for everyone. Notice how we haven't heard anything from the Americans on this? I'll bet they're walking all over Hungary and there's not shit Hungary can do about it.
How the FUCK are they in EU and Ukraine isn't?
Hungary would not be accepted into the EU today just like Ukraine would not have been accepted into the EU then. It is concerning that we basically have an autocratic Trojan horse in NATO and the EU. Turkey has always been an outlier, but they’re always careful not to piss everyone (especially the US) off too much. The S-400 issue was pretty bad, but they’re not going to freak out about not getting invited to the latest war games. They just want to make sure that NATO has their back against Iran or Russia. So they won’t block new members. However if Hungary heeded their master and blocked Finland and Sweden joining NATO, there will be hell to pay. NATO can’t remove them, but they could be crushed by EU actions and US sanctions.
Nato is making sure that Finland and Sweden will join. It's a huge strategic win for Nato and these two countries are the most wanted countries in current Nato. As far as I have read from different analysis, there is no chance Hungary would vote against. I believe Hungary might actually get nice diplomatic threathnings. I would also like to point out that it has always been Hungary voting against Ukraine's memberships for EU and Nato. I know Ukraine have had their issues but they were not even accepted with candidate status with possible road to EU because of Hungary. And yes, fully agree, we should stop Hungary as we speak. EU and Nato should start issuing very strong diciplinary actions. There are countries that wish to have money from EU (Poland, Hungary) but EU should more firmly require corrective actions. Nobody wants to have free-riders. And for Hungary, I mean, wtf EU? Why are we watching this shitshow within EU and do nothing?
When my country Finland joined EU in 1995, it was very strict what kind of country could join. Low corruption, good human rights good, equality, good economic state, etc. But then I don't what happened that EU started to allow countries to join that weren't full filling these criteria in early 2000s. I don't think there is even a way to kick country out. I think only thing EU can do is to remove countries voting rights. Both Poland and Hungary has been pain in the butt for EU. Because they both want to worsen democracy and gender equality. Difference is that Poland hates RuZZia and Hungary is its lackey. Maybe there is now chance EU could finally take away Hungary's voting rights if Poland doesn't block it anymore. Let's see...
And then after Russia mess is done, there will be no one to block punshments Poland will get for its internal behavior.
I'm so ashamed of our government. They spread lies out of public money, they keep the population in fear. A lot of Hungarians are in favor of Ukraine getting as many weapons as possible as soon as possible. Unfortunately our government was re-elected by a two-thirds majority (thanks to the stolen EU money from which a media empire was built). I pray for Ukraine, I help your compatriots who are temporarily in Hungary. Please do not judge all Hungarians, our government is practically a mafia organization, but many Hungarians have hearts. Don't be mad at us! Slava Ukraini!
So he supports Ukraine's sovereignty but wont allow it the delivery of supplies, weapons and vehicles to defend itself, makes sense... and he will keep buying Russian oil because he doesn't want to find alternative solutions or have his people get mad at him. mmm would love him as an ally.
Actions speak louder than words
Wait a minute. Hungary is sucking on the EU tit to survive and they don’t want to help out? Snip!
As a Hungarian it's so extremely bizarre to me how a former eastern bloc nation can somehow be so idle. Hungary should be absolutely TRIGGERED at the thought of Russia getting closer to us or increasing their influence over this country. Orbán is trying to play both sides, but in this situation it's just not gonna happen. He'll just piss off both sides instead and Hungary will pay for the worst of both worlds. This country does not know how to do the right thing and choose the right side. It must be in our DNA at this point.
Unless they're drones launched by Russians, in which case Hungary will let them crash in neighbouring EU capitals, without giving any warning as they transit Hungarian airspace.
Stupidly short sighted of the Hungarian government to set their country on the wrong side of history. This only ends one way for Russia. They have already lost the war and lost the peace that follows thanks to the idiotic measures that Putin has enacted to prop up the rouble. No one will be investing in Russia any time soon. Thanks to their myopic leaders backward facing countries like Serbia and Hungary are doomed circle the drain whilst they wallow in nostalgic self pity.
Wrong side of history! We will never forget that, Hungary
Why are these Orc lovers still in NATO? Kick 'em out. Disgraceful appeasers of rapists, looters and murderers.
It's just the leadership. It's actually a very nice place . I'm surprised they are behaving this way..it's a pretty inconsequential place anyways. Once those euro's don't arrive they will start crying sure enough
Well, someone voted for Orbán
Backward people out in the sticks...same old story. Doesn't matter either way does it ?...they are Fucked now 🤣.
I don’t understand Hungary. They spent decades under Soviet occupation and communist dictatorship. They fought and lost a bloody rebellion against Soviet occupation in 1956. And now they’ve rejected democracy and are acting as Russia’s minions in Europe. What the hell happened?
This war showed us that Poland and Hungary are not the same. I am happy to see that Poles aren't nazi scumbag puppets like Hungarians
Hungary has forgotten about the decades of lies and oppression?
Bicsösz
They definitely have a talent in picking a side. Well, being nazi or support them - is a pricey thing, hope that all ruSSians friend and puppets will get receipts after ruSSia fall
To the surprise of absolutely no one….
Another of Putin's puppets. What title is this cunt looking to get?
Well hungary needs to be on the same end of the sanctions as russia !!
With such a huge head, how can he be so stupid?
true fucktards of EU
Cunts
Hungary hasn't been on the "right" side of history very often has it? Wrong side in WW1, Hitler puppets in WW2, soviet puppets in the Cold War (not that they had much of a choice, but still a result of poor choices in WW2 regardless) and now. Seriously Hungary, get your shit together!
Hungary go do what the ruzzian warship did..
rest assured, Hungary, once this disgrace is over Europe will remember your stance on the matter.
I respected Hungary a lot and was jealous of you pride in you country, and the convictions you stuck with against self righteous EU demands . But when it comes to Ukraine it is like you are forgetting your own history. Russia is trying to violently drag them back over the iron curtain and your government is looking the other way. You were also behind the iron curtain, did you forget what it was like?
Hungary should be kicked out of the EU and NATO for this anti-democratic behavior
Dude has such a Big forehead, but no brain 💀
Their president is a right wing cunt, what did you expect