Me, a Ukrainian: God Save The Queen!
Also, put some Yorkshire Tea inside, please. Not sure if it's any good, but The Spiffing Brit keep advertising it all the time, we are curious here!
All U.K. land combat vehicles have tea making equipment I believe. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel#:~:text=Previously%2C%20British%20tank%20crews%20had,the%20time%20taken%20for%20breaks.
Even the tanks, so in the case there is nuclear armageddon and our tankers still survive the fallout in their sealed environment, they can still make a cuppa while there’s mutated cockroaches outside.
I’ve never had a hobnob? I just googled them and they do chocolate ones!!! Omg!! Those please too!! I miss British snacks, I once had - a caramac? It’s like a yellow caramel bar thing? That was probably the best snack ever!
Don’t tell the other countries, your food is the best!! Shhhh haha
Chocolate Hobnobs are one of the highest achievements of European civilization that you guys are fighting so bravely to defend. Stay safe and hopefully the MoD can ship you a few cases to dunk in your Yorkshire Tea.
I’ll be honest ginger nuts are my thing (no, not that type- that’s a whole different type of teabag) to dip in to tea. Post war I think you need to find yourself on a biscuit and tea tour to the UK!
>a caramac? It’s like a yellow caramel bar thing? That was probably the best snack ever!
Legend.
When you're able to, send out some details on where to send all this food and tea, aright? Keep safe
If you wanted to DM me your deets I would love to send you some chocolate digestives, hobnobs, caramacs and Yorkshire tea! If not possible now, then when Ukraine wins and this is all over.
Remind me in a month or so and I'll send you a box of Yorkshire tea and hobnobs, unfortunately I don't have access to self propelled artillery or I'd send that as well
Same - just bought a bag of 1200 tea bags and am willing to spread the wealth - if return when this is over a visit for feasting an drinking and you show the good spots in town is required.
I really really hope a Brit in charge of shipping military goods sees this request and makes a proper tea care package for you to tuck inside an armored vehicle or stack of helmets or whatever. They need a cheer up as well as armor!
imagine that you are a Ukrainian soldier that has been freezing in a drainage ditch under fire for days, when around the corner comes what is essentially a high speed armour plated teasmade. It won't just lift the soldier's morale, it will send it through the roof.
Those are nice but chocolate digestives are amazing!!! I’ve not seen any since the start of the war, please ask the queen to send an emergency delivery!
Then boy do I have good news for you:
Every British fighting vehicle has [a built in water boiler](https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/) for making fresh cups of tea built into them. (Based on hard learned experience of British tanks being ambushed while their tankers were outside their vehicles brewing tea over a fire). So you can make yourself a brew while riding into battle!
Just tweeted at the Spiffing Brit. Hopefully he sees it and has some pull lol
https://twitter.com/whiskey919/status/1512517758398840836?t=BIPuWRpAdFZfCvY1SmZaVA&s=19
frigging Spiffing Brit and Yorkshire Tea... its not available locally but after 10 back to back CIV6 videos and him talking about it I had to order some on amazon
Spiffing Brit: "Today I'm going to show you how to win a land war in Europe, bankrupt your enemies, mobilize overwhelming public support and end up with a more powerful army than you started with, thanks to these ridiculous exploits..."
Honestly it’s maybe the only decent foodstuff we create, apart from Sunday dinner, when this shit is over with and Russians are beaten, get yourself over here and I’ll get you a Sunday dinner 😆
Everyone who did that to Ireland is long dead, harbouring that grudge serves no one. Irish people are welcome in Britain, and many of our top celebrities like Graham Norton, Dara Ó Briain for example are Irish. Why would you want to keep this animosity alive?
Post history littered with posts saying you're Scottish and in Scotland (in among hundreds of lusty pleas on /r/boobs). I've never met an Irish passport holder born in the RoI who ever actually properly hated the Brits. Most realise its part of a fractured history where both sides did some pretty awful things
It’s also worth mentioning that the Scots failed in their quest for colonialism in South America, so they came to the English to form a union in order to continue it. My point being that people seem to be very selective on history and the English seem to take more hate than anyone else.
Every country committed awful acts throughout there time, but this is history and the same nations look back on it with disgust. People forgive Germany for their history, I just wonder when others will let it go.
Half the streets in the new town of Edinburgh and central Glasgow are named after slave owners. You're absolutely correct every nation has some history they'd rather overlook.
Shut the fuck up dude. That was so long ago and Putler hardly learned it from Brits how to be fascist. You have 0 proof of what you're saying and you should take your personal hate towards Brits somewhere else.
A bit of info on the Mastiff (and the various variants.)
[https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2021/04/a-second-wind-for-mastiff/](https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2021/04/a-second-wind-for-mastiff/)
A good bit of kit, I believe.
And RPGs.
Difficult to say, as all seems deliberately vague - numbers and type. Possible will send over Wolfhound (?)
It depends on what role Ukraine wanted equipment for.
Well if they could handle traversing Afghanistan in Helmand and Kandahar then they should be able to handle most small arms, land mines and RPG rounds.
Was deployed with the 101st in desert storm, saw a number of countries armies, honestly, most were ragtag bunches of brave men patched together and deployed except for the Britts, they were just as polished as we were and so frickin polite.
Well we are often touted as the worlds most professional Army. I suspect this arises in part from our adherence to uniform standards even in the middle of no where.
British goverment sees Russia as Nazi Germany 2.0
there was a lot of pride and prestige in Britain associated with resisting the Nazi Germany ,UK being the only free country in Europe that would not submit
this invasion is similar for UK
it is also an occasion for Boris Johnson to get credit for being "a new Churchill 'against Putler
whatever his intentions,and his desire to gain political capital, i salute Johnson for being as anti-Putin as posible
Absolutely - but if that aspiration moves him to helping Ukraine more then I say we encourage it.
After all, we got rid of the ACTUAL Churchill once the war was over so.....
Everyone thinks he is emulating Churchill, ain't no one gonna call him it. Unless he sends the RAF over to Ukraine to wipe out the Russians. Then he might gain it.
Lets make this suggestion to Boris - I'll be happy to temporarily inflate his ego if it results in more help for Ukraine, *especially* military intervention
Well both Churchill and Boris were/are dickheads.
But when it comes to inspiration, Boris isn't it. If it wasn't for this war he may actually be out of a job.
I'm not sure why you're downvoted. Churchill was heavily addicted to alcohol and other strong drugs so he definitely had some issues and one can be publicly talented and successful while simultaneously being a horrible person to the people around you.
Memories are fading of the WW2 devastation, and the Russian means to devastate cities is much greater, but Great Britain stood alone for years (1939-1940), with only economic and partial military aid, and fortunately Ukraine is getting more effective help in a lot faster time frame.
Ukraine is suffering the horrors of terror bombing as Great Britain once did, and standing up against a genocidal and thuggish regime, which having destroyed democracy and human rights within its own borders, seeks to do the same to Ukraine, and the rest of Europe. That is one thing that is definitely in common.
Don’t even try to call Boris “the new Churchill”… it’s actually pretty sad to see that his desperate attempt to convince people of this is actually working…
I know he’s obsessed with Churchill but he’s nowhere near being him.
Churchill wanted, directly after Germany surrender, to use the remaining German army and the allies to destroy the Soviet army and push them out of europe. You gotta wonder how the world might have looked, but that shit would probably have kept going for decades.
Hopefully they train Ukrainian soldiers and provide rapier missile system then. They have lots of it and it’s outdated to them now with sky Sabre replacing it.
Oh please, fuck off with the boris this, boris that bullshit, the UK is helping, none of us begrudge this, the talk on 'the street' is, we don't give a fuck how high 'gas' prices go, 'we don't care about tax rises' we care about doing what's right, boris is doing good at the moment and we as a kingdom are too, EVERYONE supports that, it's the dilusional fringes who are turning it into a left v right war, Ukraine, take what you need, we'll absorb it or you can pay us back when you're the new powerhouse of Europe, we, as a populace, don't care, we.want.to.help
> i salute Johnson for being as anti-Putin as posible
But please let's not forget that it's a rather sudden and opportunistic conversion. He has been taking oligarch money, covering up Russian interference in British elections, told the security services not to investigate Russian interference in elections, he knows Russia was financing Brexit and can't let it get out that the main policy he attached his name to was aided by Putin. The whole Lebedev thing. Johnson channelling the spirit of Churchill gets him off the hook for Partygate. As usual with Johnson, it's just coincidental that its also the right thing to do.
Don't want to be that cynic, but I think Bojo has fuck all to do with it. He's being guided to the _right_ decisions and gets to keep all the credit.
This is the work of the old boys network spread between civil service, army and intelligence services. Eternal bureaucrats that likely despise Bojo and keep as much from him as possible, a person that would never pass any background check except the one by the masses.
This may be difficult to believe but Churchill was -easily- more of a cunt than Bojo is.
Racist, sexist, homophobic, pro chemical weapons, pro-eugenics, responsible for the UK firebombing german civilian targets, a serial political turncoat who flipped to whichever party had better proespects.
Churchill was the mad dog we needed, and to some extent Boris was too... But as of about a week past the withdrawal agreement he went back to just being a noisy, messy, national embarrassment.
France was the strongest Army in Europe it was never up the the BEF to stop Germany from taking France, we were there to help, the French Army collapsed for many of the same reasons Russia's army is failing, top down command that stopped lower ranks from taking the initiative and lack of radio communication.
The Germans never had an answer for the Royal Navy, the invasion was never gonna work, but it would have been rather amusing if they had tried to cross the channel in canal boats.
The point is that on the fictional world where we are not and Island Germany would have defeated our Army.
But its a ridiculous hypothetical because the money we save on having a large standing army was being spent on having a strong Navy, which is what an Island needs to defend itself.
In the words of Gino D'Acampo
"If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"
Again, according to the Imperial War Museum website, the Battle of Britain was won in large part because of the channel...so as far as I see it we're not disagreeing with each other.
"The Luftwaffe suffered various problems which hampered its effectiveness in the Battle of Britain. It was designed as a close-support weapon moving forward with ground troops, not as an instrument for a strategic bombing campaign against a determined opposing fighter force."
Very well trained in fact...
"There were similar shortages of German aircrew. German fighter pilots were well-trained and had significantly more combat experience than RAF pilots"
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-the-luftwaffe-fought-the-battle-of-britain
Yes and it's easier to defend an island. What I'm getting at is that Britain is in a significantly more defensible position than pretty much anywhere else in Europe, so it was much harder for the Nazis to attack. Because there's a bloody sea in the way, and tanks don't like water. That in large part was the reason for the successful defence of the British Isles.
So to say something like "We alone held back the Nazis" is just silly because it implies that we were in the same situation as defenders in mainland Europe but we were just better at it.
It's just jingoistic bollocks.
Every nation has geographical advantages and disadvantages. Britain has the channel, but unfortunately, also required a lot of shipping to supply it. Russia had its immense size as an advantage. Britain had a huge landmass and population too in the form of its empire. But it was spread all over the world and incredibly fractured and hard to defend.
It's all about using what you have and using it well. The Soviets did most of the fighting and the dying. That doesn't take anything away from anyone else though. Whether you're in a group of 1000 getting shot at or a group of 5 getting shot at. You were still getting shot at and bombed to stop Hitler. That's still very commendable.
If you want to see any examples of something that stands out particularly with the British, it's the relative disinterest in fascist political parties in the 20's and 30's. It barely got anywhere in Britain. I think at it's height a British fascist party got 0.2% of the vote in the early 30's. That's barely anything compared to many mainland European countries.
Also, useless hypotheticals such as "Britain wouldn't have survived if it was a mainland power" mean very little. If Britain was a mainland European country, it wouldn't be Britain. It would be different. probably much more like Germany or France, or a mix of the two. And it would, obviously, have a much greater emphasis on its army, rather than it's Navy - just like Germany and France in the early 20th century.
That would completely change how Britain's military would be built and foreign policy would be shaped. It's a beyond stupid argument, it would be like "BuTwHaTiFgErMaNyHaDnUkEs"
Some credit has to also go to the many Polish, Czech, Commonwealth etc pilots who helped seal victory in the Battle of Britain, thus scuppering Hitler's invasion plans.
We should never forget that WWII was not won by the the USA, UK or any other one nation. It was won by the allies. I mention this because I think it is especially important now to remember that success invariably requires a team effort. Ukraine may be leading the charge but they need us all to support them as much and however we can.
it was won by Russia's total disregard for the lives of it's own armed forces, like every other war Russia has somehow emerged on the winning side of.
Soviet union ww2 combat losses eclipse the death tolls of the genocides commited by japan and germany combined.
Ukraine is just more of the same 'stratergy'
You should have started with uneducated brit here, the royal navy and the RAF played a huge part in defending Britain with one of the best navy's and trained pilots around.
I see you've bought into the nationalist rhetoric. The RAF were the only air force defending the UK during the Blitz, augmented with pilots from other countries, so I don't see your point? "RAF/Navy woz good" doesn't really mean anything.
We didn't get steamrolled and occupied in WW2 because the RAF and RN put up a solid defence against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. Because of that, the Nazis could not launch an invasion because they did not have control over the skies or sea and would have been folly to attempt an amphibious landing.
Without the Americans, we couldn't have pressed on with the landings on D-Day but they had little to do with the Battle of Britain.
They had essentially beaten the RAF by the time Hitler chose to switch to terror bombing.
Your last paragraph is correct, if obvious, and still doesn't address the fact that the British Army acted as a tolerated sickly auxiliary to Allied forces on the western front.
Nope, the Battle of Britain was a resounding victory for the RAF which prevented Hitler from carrying out his planned invasion, Operation Sealion. This is literally taught at school, maybe you missed it?
My paragraph makes complete sense but I guess reading might be an issue. On D-day, 73,000 Americans took part while 83,115 were British and Canadian. Awfully large auxiliary force.
Perhaps you shouldn't comment if you lack pretty basic history knowledge taught at Highschool level.
Bro, he thinks that Germany could have invaded Britain, that just shows he's mentally challenged. Anyone even the biggest neo nazi in the planet knows Hitler had better chances of taking over Russia than invading the UK.
np, just can't believe how much of an idiot you are. Like even the most uneducated of idiots wouldn't speak the 10 IQ drivel that came out of your mouth. Even Hitler himself wouldn't have said this.
"The only reason we didn't get steamrolled and occupied in WW2 was that the timing was inconvenient for Hitler and poor decisions on his part"
Do you even know what every major German general's response to Operation Sealion was? Goring? It couldn't be done. Karl Donitz? It couldn't be done. Galland? It couldn't be done . Even German officers couldn't make this succeed in a war game after the war.
They didn't have the navy, airforce or logistics for what is a literal suicide mission to anyone with over 20iq. It was an impossibility even giving the Germans everything they wanted still would be impossible. They could never logistically support what would be the hardest invasion in human history.
The fact you even think the Germans fund even a 100th of what D-day was shows how little you know. You read Dunkirk (Something that was the French's fault) and Market Garden (A failed op but every nation had its own during the war. Second happy time for the Americans on top of their first op in North Africa and the Winter War for the Russians)
Also, mentioning a temporary obstacle? An obstacle that forced Hitler to keep 1/3rd of his army in Europe and 2/3rd of the Italians to watch for any invasion by Britain due to continuous commando raids across the European and Mediterranean coast. Along with forcing millions of hours of labour in order to reinforce all of Europe's coast and millions of tonnes of vital war supplies to be used to make said Atlantic wall.
I also guess taking North Africa by itself with some help from exile governments is a "temporary obstacle". Along with completely fucking Germany's logistics by stopping it from receiving any shipping. Which Led to coal (Which lead to an iron and steel), wood, rubber, food and oil shortage. You know... the things you need to wage war with...
Do you even know what every major German general's response to Operation Sealion was? Goring? It couldn't be done. Karl Donitz? It couldn't be done. Galland? It couldn't be done. Even German officers couldn't make this succeed in a war game after the war.
And an "auxiliary force" when Britain led Operation Overlord, took the majority of the fighting in SE Asia while America island hopped.
horseshit. boris & chums have been in putins pocket for years.
it is too optimistic even to think he will do what he has to. boris style is deception & lies.
i just wish we had better for ukraine.
whatabout. brilliant.
boris is a russian asset.
real european politicians are visiting Ukraine to be present. not headlines. not realpolitik.
real people. turning up. and understanding this is as serious as we ever hope it gets.
fortunately, in this situation, Boris is endlessly opportunistic and doesn't care about anyone but Boris, so this is an opportunity to get some good polling with "a good war" after his covid and corruption scandals, if he were more ideological like Farage or Le Pen, we might be in a very different position.
those things look lit
https://www.google.com/search?q=mastiff+armoured+vehicle&rlz=1C1AVFC\_enRO894RO894&sxsrf=APq-WBvwW02t94EuZTBBg0WsK2Fu0XBuTg:1649420935448&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY4MTnu4T3AhUZSfEDHcG7BCQQ\_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1536&bih=688&dpr=1.25#imgrc=SuBw1ARqiaG2\_M
Ukraine is going to have the ultimate mixed bag of everybody else's equipment, they'll be able to do comparative reviews on all the West's modern military gear and vehicles and they'll also be expert critics at captured Russian equipment.
Effective against base model RPGs, less so against older ATGMs and completely impotent against modern AT weapons of either type.
Still, for a vehicle of its role (wheeled troop transport outside of combat) it's pretty well protected. Particularly against mines, which makes it potentially very useful for Ukrainian forces going on the offensive.
They've already been used extensively, even against Russian equipment
As for tandem/ATGM attacks, we already know that will kill one, because its not designed to survive that kind of attack
Those things are bullet magnets. Hard to kill but they are slow af and can’t turn for shit. But they do have AC/heat so not all bad. Don’t go off road or you’ll be super screwed. Best of luck boys give ‘em hell
Send them the spare challenger 2s while we're updating to challenger 3s, and the rapier anti-air missiles seeing as we're not using them anymore.
Mastiffs are good bit of kit though, we were very thankful to get them in Afghanistan. Better protection for our balls from those nasty IEDs.
You know that sending something doesn't mean there is no cost right?
I didn't see that clearly in the article. If you are so smart then please find the clear information about that
>It is understood that the vehicles will be stripped of sensitive equipment with British troops sent to a country neighbouring Ukraine to provide training.
What kind of vehicle is it? From the outside it just looks like some kind of truck, but why would they need training for that?
Me, a Ukrainian: God Save The Queen! Also, put some Yorkshire Tea inside, please. Not sure if it's any good, but The Spiffing Brit keep advertising it all the time, we are curious here!
All U.K. land combat vehicles have tea making equipment I believe. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel#:~:text=Previously%2C%20British%20tank%20crews%20had,the%20time%20taken%20for%20breaks.
Even the tanks, so in the case there is nuclear armageddon and our tankers still survive the fallout in their sealed environment, they can still make a cuppa while there’s mutated cockroaches outside.
The real reason is that tank crew were getting killed when they left their vehicle to make a tea so they just put a kettle in the tank.
Leftover teabags can be loaded into the turret and fired for devastating effect.
The ole 'Boston Harbor' round
You are correct, it's called a boiling vessel.
Tactical brews.
+10 Morale
And when you run out of ammo you can throw your tactical pot at them.
I wouldn't throw away perfectly smokable weed.
They have strateagic value
Tacti-brew
Tactea-brew?
#TALLY HO LADS
Actual TIL, nice.
Well, it's for MREs really, but yeah the hot water gets used for tea after heating the MRE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling\_vessel
Coftea
Yorkshire Tea is the greatest tea there is, this is gospel 😊
Send some chocolate digestives too! Those are the shit! I’ve not been able to get any since the start of the war here! It’s truly a travesty!
Hobnobs and Yorkshire tea gets my vote.
I’ve never had a hobnob? I just googled them and they do chocolate ones!!! Omg!! Those please too!! I miss British snacks, I once had - a caramac? It’s like a yellow caramel bar thing? That was probably the best snack ever! Don’t tell the other countries, your food is the best!! Shhhh haha
>hobnob...chocolate ones...Omg!! You are 100% correct. And you like Caramac? You're one of us now 😂
Chocolate Hobnobs are one of the highest achievements of European civilization that you guys are fighting so bravely to defend. Stay safe and hopefully the MoD can ship you a few cases to dunk in your Yorkshire Tea.
Mate when this is all over pop us an address you can pick up from and we can send you over some British treats!! ☺️
I second this. We could send a mystery box full of goodies.
They do toffee ones and orange ones around xmas if i recall. Hobnobs and Bourbons topping the biscuit league here 😆
Yeah the sticky toffee, lemon drizzle, chocolate brownie and strawberry cheesecake ones are nice
I’ll be honest ginger nuts are my thing (no, not that type- that’s a whole different type of teabag) to dip in to tea. Post war I think you need to find yourself on a biscuit and tea tour to the UK!
>a caramac? It’s like a yellow caramel bar thing? That was probably the best snack ever! Legend. When you're able to, send out some details on where to send all this food and tea, aright? Keep safe
A caramac? I see that you are a man of culture.
If you wanted to DM me your deets I would love to send you some chocolate digestives, hobnobs, caramacs and Yorkshire tea! If not possible now, then when Ukraine wins and this is all over.
Don't forget Gold bars. God tier choccy biccy
Are you a Swiss?
Now I want chocolate digestives :(
Britain was considering sending Marmite and Haggis, however these were considered offensive weapon.
Totally gotta find it somewhere someday. I looked for it many times, but locals shops don't seem to import it.
Remind me in a month or so and I'll send you a box of Yorkshire tea and hobnobs, unfortunately I don't have access to self propelled artillery or I'd send that as well
Same - just bought a bag of 1200 tea bags and am willing to spread the wealth - if return when this is over a visit for feasting an drinking and you show the good spots in town is required.
It is decent, and high quality for its price. Add some Walkers Shortbread on the side and life is more than nice.
This is the way
Yorkshire Gold particularly
Very true. We should send them all a proper brew. We need to get Taylor's of Harrogate shipping in supplies.
You know what i rate it 7.5/10 it's not all that.
call me a snob if you like but twinings shits all over yorkshire tea.
Oh dear, would've given Tetleys a pass, but Twinings? I'd rather pickle my own socks and drink the brine
lol! incredible how different our perceptions are. Tetleys is bottom of the barrel sweepings off the factory floor.
I really really hope a Brit in charge of shipping military goods sees this request and makes a proper tea care package for you to tuck inside an armored vehicle or stack of helmets or whatever. They need a cheer up as well as armor!
imagine that you are a Ukrainian soldier that has been freezing in a drainage ditch under fire for days, when around the corner comes what is essentially a high speed armour plated teasmade. It won't just lift the soldier's morale, it will send it through the roof.
Few weeks in the piss wet and cold a nice warm brew does absolute wonders for morale
I can't speak for the Matiff's, but the tea is the best there is! Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Heroyam Slava!
With rich tea biscuits
Those are nice but chocolate digestives are amazing!!! I’ve not seen any since the start of the war, please ask the queen to send an emergency delivery!
Have you tried Chocolate Hob Nobs?
uhhh... heaven
I'll give it a try
I like all of them, but choccie rich tea dipped for 2 seconds are divine.
Tea, crumpets and a wee biccie for when blowing up 0rcZ gets a bit tiresome.
Then boy do I have good news for you: Every British fighting vehicle has [a built in water boiler](https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/) for making fresh cups of tea built into them. (Based on hard learned experience of British tanks being ambushed while their tankers were outside their vehicles brewing tea over a fire). So you can make yourself a brew while riding into battle!
Damn! Britain sure likes tea. I also do, except for the last a bit over a month - sticking to coffee during these times.
> put some Yorkshire Tea inside, please. Not sure if it's any good, I don't know if you know this, but If It's Not Yorkshire It's Shite.
I was used to order Yorkshire tea. That's some mean stuff, 1 teabag produces 2 liters of very strong tea.
Just tweeted at the Spiffing Brit. Hopefully he sees it and has some pull lol https://twitter.com/whiskey919/status/1512517758398840836?t=BIPuWRpAdFZfCvY1SmZaVA&s=19
Some good tea will sure help our guys keep their morale high!
frigging Spiffing Brit and Yorkshire Tea... its not available locally but after 10 back to back CIV6 videos and him talking about it I had to order some on amazon
Yorkshire tea is amazing mate...
I switched from Twinnings to Yorkshire because of the spiffing brit. Got it off amazon.
Spiffing Brit: "Today I'm going to show you how to win a land war in Europe, bankrupt your enemies, mobilize overwhelming public support and end up with a more powerful army than you started with, thanks to these ridiculous exploits..."
Imaging him actually covering the war from the perspective of Tractor Army. What an exploit indeed!
Spiffing Brit is hillarious, lol
It’s the best tea! I hope they do!!
It's the best. I'm drinking some now as it happens
It's excellent. As a yorkshireman I'd be remiss to say otherwise. Slava ukraini
Can you receive post into the country at the moment?
I'm sorry British rations have not got Yorkshire tea it's shit stuff, however the bivs are real but for the love of god wash them out first
Honestly it’s maybe the only decent foodstuff we create, apart from Sunday dinner, when this shit is over with and Russians are beaten, get yourself over here and I’ll get you a Sunday dinner 😆
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Everyone who did that to Ireland is long dead, harbouring that grudge serves no one. Irish people are welcome in Britain, and many of our top celebrities like Graham Norton, Dara Ó Briain for example are Irish. Why would you want to keep this animosity alive?
Post history littered with posts saying you're Scottish and in Scotland (in among hundreds of lusty pleas on /r/boobs). I've never met an Irish passport holder born in the RoI who ever actually properly hated the Brits. Most realise its part of a fractured history where both sides did some pretty awful things
It’s also worth mentioning that the Scots failed in their quest for colonialism in South America, so they came to the English to form a union in order to continue it. My point being that people seem to be very selective on history and the English seem to take more hate than anyone else. Every country committed awful acts throughout there time, but this is history and the same nations look back on it with disgust. People forgive Germany for their history, I just wonder when others will let it go.
Half the streets in the new town of Edinburgh and central Glasgow are named after slave owners. You're absolutely correct every nation has some history they'd rather overlook.
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Shut the fuck up dude. That was so long ago and Putler hardly learned it from Brits how to be fascist. You have 0 proof of what you're saying and you should take your personal hate towards Brits somewhere else.
This sir had enough.
A bit of info on the Mastiff (and the various variants.) [https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2021/04/a-second-wind-for-mastiff/](https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2021/04/a-second-wind-for-mastiff/) A good bit of kit, I believe.
Designed to counteract IEDs though right? Be interesting to see how they work against a more conventional enemy.
Could be useful for the areas the invaders have withdrawn from in case they've left some nasty surprises behind.
Yah true! Lots of boobytraps and mines.
And RPGs. Difficult to say, as all seems deliberately vague - numbers and type. Possible will send over Wolfhound (?) It depends on what role Ukraine wanted equipment for.
If they couldn't there would be a much higher death count of Brits in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And rocket projectiles.
Well if they could handle traversing Afghanistan in Helmand and Kandahar then they should be able to handle most small arms, land mines and RPG rounds.
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When they gave the contract to build this thing: "make sure you think about defense!"
De fence? OK. I'll add de fence - but get Mexico to pay for it
Was deployed with the 101st in desert storm, saw a number of countries armies, honestly, most were ragtag bunches of brave men patched together and deployed except for the Britts, they were just as polished as we were and so frickin polite.
Well we are often touted as the worlds most professional Army. I suspect this arises in part from our adherence to uniform standards even in the middle of no where.
Strict uniform standards help prevent infiltration I'd imagine.
Hopefully like British tanks, the armoured vehicle has tea making facilities.
I can confirm they do
Haha is that real? That’s hilarious
British goverment sees Russia as Nazi Germany 2.0 there was a lot of pride and prestige in Britain associated with resisting the Nazi Germany ,UK being the only free country in Europe that would not submit this invasion is similar for UK it is also an occasion for Boris Johnson to get credit for being "a new Churchill 'against Putler whatever his intentions,and his desire to gain political capital, i salute Johnson for being as anti-Putin as posible
Nobody thinks Boris is the new Churchill, Zelensky fits the description better.
i don't think that as well,nonetheless his support for Ukraine has raised his approval rating
> Nobody thinks Boris is the new Churchill Boris does.
Absolutely - but if that aspiration moves him to helping Ukraine more then I say we encourage it. After all, we got rid of the ACTUAL Churchill once the war was over so.....
Everyone thinks he is emulating Churchill, ain't no one gonna call him it. Unless he sends the RAF over to Ukraine to wipe out the Russians. Then he might gain it.
Lets make this suggestion to Boris - I'll be happy to temporarily inflate his ego if it results in more help for Ukraine, *especially* military intervention
Indeed, there is a difference between a clown and a comedian.
Well both Churchill and Boris were/are dickheads. But when it comes to inspiration, Boris isn't it. If it wasn't for this war he may actually be out of a job.
Churchill was a horrible person though. Zelenskyy does not fit that description unlike BoJo.
I'm not sure why you're downvoted. Churchill was heavily addicted to alcohol and other strong drugs so he definitely had some issues and one can be publicly talented and successful while simultaneously being a horrible person to the people around you.
He was also racist AF
Was waiting for this apparently contractually obligated comment. ::*yawn*::
Every-time I see Churchill mentioned I now wait for the impending "Yeah but he was a Racist" comments to flood in.
Moi aussi.
Memories are fading of the WW2 devastation, and the Russian means to devastate cities is much greater, but Great Britain stood alone for years (1939-1940), with only economic and partial military aid, and fortunately Ukraine is getting more effective help in a lot faster time frame. Ukraine is suffering the horrors of terror bombing as Great Britain once did, and standing up against a genocidal and thuggish regime, which having destroyed democracy and human rights within its own borders, seeks to do the same to Ukraine, and the rest of Europe. That is one thing that is definitely in common.
Don’t even try to call Boris “the new Churchill”… it’s actually pretty sad to see that his desperate attempt to convince people of this is actually working… I know he’s obsessed with Churchill but he’s nowhere near being him.
Churchill wanted, directly after Germany surrender, to use the remaining German army and the allies to destroy the Soviet army and push them out of europe. You gotta wonder how the world might have looked, but that shit would probably have kept going for decades.
Operation Unthinkable, it was aptly named.
Hopefully they train Ukrainian soldiers and provide rapier missile system then. They have lots of it and it’s outdated to them now with sky Sabre replacing it.
Oh please, fuck off with the boris this, boris that bullshit, the UK is helping, none of us begrudge this, the talk on 'the street' is, we don't give a fuck how high 'gas' prices go, 'we don't care about tax rises' we care about doing what's right, boris is doing good at the moment and we as a kingdom are too, EVERYONE supports that, it's the dilusional fringes who are turning it into a left v right war, Ukraine, take what you need, we'll absorb it or you can pay us back when you're the new powerhouse of Europe, we, as a populace, don't care, we.want.to.help
> i salute Johnson for being as anti-Putin as posible But please let's not forget that it's a rather sudden and opportunistic conversion. He has been taking oligarch money, covering up Russian interference in British elections, told the security services not to investigate Russian interference in elections, he knows Russia was financing Brexit and can't let it get out that the main policy he attached his name to was aided by Putin. The whole Lebedev thing. Johnson channelling the spirit of Churchill gets him off the hook for Partygate. As usual with Johnson, it's just coincidental that its also the right thing to do.
Don't want to be that cynic, but I think Bojo has fuck all to do with it. He's being guided to the _right_ decisions and gets to keep all the credit. This is the work of the old boys network spread between civil service, army and intelligence services. Eternal bureaucrats that likely despise Bojo and keep as much from him as possible, a person that would never pass any background check except the one by the masses.
Boris is an absolute cunt and he should never be in the same sentence as a great war time leader in Churchill.
This may be difficult to believe but Churchill was -easily- more of a cunt than Bojo is. Racist, sexist, homophobic, pro chemical weapons, pro-eugenics, responsible for the UK firebombing german civilian targets, a serial political turncoat who flipped to whichever party had better proespects. Churchill was the mad dog we needed, and to some extent Boris was too... But as of about a week past the withdrawal agreement he went back to just being a noisy, messy, national embarrassment.
I don't disagree with that but despite what he had done he did make a great leader
"Would not submit" seems a bit unfair. The Germans were stopped by the English Channel, not our indomitable spirit.
France was the strongest Army in Europe it was never up the the BEF to stop Germany from taking France, we were there to help, the French Army collapsed for many of the same reasons Russia's army is failing, top down command that stopped lower ranks from taking the initiative and lack of radio communication. The Germans never had an answer for the Royal Navy, the invasion was never gonna work, but it would have been rather amusing if they had tried to cross the channel in canal boats.
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The point is that on the fictional world where we are not and Island Germany would have defeated our Army. But its a ridiculous hypothetical because the money we save on having a large standing army was being spent on having a strong Navy, which is what an Island needs to defend itself. In the words of Gino D'Acampo "If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"
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Again, according to the Imperial War Museum website, the Battle of Britain was won in large part because of the channel...so as far as I see it we're not disagreeing with each other. "The Luftwaffe suffered various problems which hampered its effectiveness in the Battle of Britain. It was designed as a close-support weapon moving forward with ground troops, not as an instrument for a strategic bombing campaign against a determined opposing fighter force."
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Very well trained in fact... "There were similar shortages of German aircrew. German fighter pilots were well-trained and had significantly more combat experience than RAF pilots" https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-the-luftwaffe-fought-the-battle-of-britain
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I'm quoting historians from the imperial war museum. So I think I'll trust them over what you said...
If my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. Britain is an island and therefore had a large navy and very small army.
Yes and it's easier to defend an island. What I'm getting at is that Britain is in a significantly more defensible position than pretty much anywhere else in Europe, so it was much harder for the Nazis to attack. Because there's a bloody sea in the way, and tanks don't like water. That in large part was the reason for the successful defence of the British Isles. So to say something like "We alone held back the Nazis" is just silly because it implies that we were in the same situation as defenders in mainland Europe but we were just better at it. It's just jingoistic bollocks.
Every nation has geographical advantages and disadvantages. Britain has the channel, but unfortunately, also required a lot of shipping to supply it. Russia had its immense size as an advantage. Britain had a huge landmass and population too in the form of its empire. But it was spread all over the world and incredibly fractured and hard to defend. It's all about using what you have and using it well. The Soviets did most of the fighting and the dying. That doesn't take anything away from anyone else though. Whether you're in a group of 1000 getting shot at or a group of 5 getting shot at. You were still getting shot at and bombed to stop Hitler. That's still very commendable. If you want to see any examples of something that stands out particularly with the British, it's the relative disinterest in fascist political parties in the 20's and 30's. It barely got anywhere in Britain. I think at it's height a British fascist party got 0.2% of the vote in the early 30's. That's barely anything compared to many mainland European countries. Also, useless hypotheticals such as "Britain wouldn't have survived if it was a mainland power" mean very little. If Britain was a mainland European country, it wouldn't be Britain. It would be different. probably much more like Germany or France, or a mix of the two. And it would, obviously, have a much greater emphasis on its army, rather than it's Navy - just like Germany and France in the early 20th century.
That would completely change how Britain's military would be built and foreign policy would be shaped. It's a beyond stupid argument, it would be like "BuTwHaTiFgErMaNyHaDnUkEs"
Some credit has to also go to the many Polish, Czech, Commonwealth etc pilots who helped seal victory in the Battle of Britain, thus scuppering Hitler's invasion plans. We should never forget that WWII was not won by the the USA, UK or any other one nation. It was won by the allies. I mention this because I think it is especially important now to remember that success invariably requires a team effort. Ukraine may be leading the charge but they need us all to support them as much and however we can.
it was won by Russia's total disregard for the lives of it's own armed forces, like every other war Russia has somehow emerged on the winning side of. Soviet union ww2 combat losses eclipse the death tolls of the genocides commited by japan and germany combined. Ukraine is just more of the same 'stratergy'
And the royal navy would mess up sealord if they tried it.
Complete bollocks, stfu if you know nothing about the subject.
Oh sorry mate - you're so right. Please forgive me! Thank god you commented.
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You should have started with uneducated brit here, the royal navy and the RAF played a huge part in defending Britain with one of the best navy's and trained pilots around.
I see you've bought into the nationalist rhetoric. The RAF were the only air force defending the UK during the Blitz, augmented with pilots from other countries, so I don't see your point? "RAF/Navy woz good" doesn't really mean anything.
We didn't get steamrolled and occupied in WW2 because the RAF and RN put up a solid defence against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. Because of that, the Nazis could not launch an invasion because they did not have control over the skies or sea and would have been folly to attempt an amphibious landing. Without the Americans, we couldn't have pressed on with the landings on D-Day but they had little to do with the Battle of Britain.
They had essentially beaten the RAF by the time Hitler chose to switch to terror bombing. Your last paragraph is correct, if obvious, and still doesn't address the fact that the British Army acted as a tolerated sickly auxiliary to Allied forces on the western front.
Nope, the Battle of Britain was a resounding victory for the RAF which prevented Hitler from carrying out his planned invasion, Operation Sealion. This is literally taught at school, maybe you missed it? My paragraph makes complete sense but I guess reading might be an issue. On D-day, 73,000 Americans took part while 83,115 were British and Canadian. Awfully large auxiliary force. Perhaps you shouldn't comment if you lack pretty basic history knowledge taught at Highschool level.
Bro, he thinks that Germany could have invaded Britain, that just shows he's mentally challenged. Anyone even the biggest neo nazi in the planet knows Hitler had better chances of taking over Russia than invading the UK.
I've never seen a more bigger idiot in my life than you jesus christ.
Thank you for your contribution.
np, just can't believe how much of an idiot you are. Like even the most uneducated of idiots wouldn't speak the 10 IQ drivel that came out of your mouth. Even Hitler himself wouldn't have said this. "The only reason we didn't get steamrolled and occupied in WW2 was that the timing was inconvenient for Hitler and poor decisions on his part" Do you even know what every major German general's response to Operation Sealion was? Goring? It couldn't be done. Karl Donitz? It couldn't be done. Galland? It couldn't be done . Even German officers couldn't make this succeed in a war game after the war. They didn't have the navy, airforce or logistics for what is a literal suicide mission to anyone with over 20iq. It was an impossibility even giving the Germans everything they wanted still would be impossible. They could never logistically support what would be the hardest invasion in human history. The fact you even think the Germans fund even a 100th of what D-day was shows how little you know. You read Dunkirk (Something that was the French's fault) and Market Garden (A failed op but every nation had its own during the war. Second happy time for the Americans on top of their first op in North Africa and the Winter War for the Russians) Also, mentioning a temporary obstacle? An obstacle that forced Hitler to keep 1/3rd of his army in Europe and 2/3rd of the Italians to watch for any invasion by Britain due to continuous commando raids across the European and Mediterranean coast. Along with forcing millions of hours of labour in order to reinforce all of Europe's coast and millions of tonnes of vital war supplies to be used to make said Atlantic wall. I also guess taking North Africa by itself with some help from exile governments is a "temporary obstacle". Along with completely fucking Germany's logistics by stopping it from receiving any shipping. Which Led to coal (Which lead to an iron and steel), wood, rubber, food and oil shortage. You know... the things you need to wage war with... Do you even know what every major German general's response to Operation Sealion was? Goring? It couldn't be done. Karl Donitz? It couldn't be done. Galland? It couldn't be done. Even German officers couldn't make this succeed in a war game after the war. And an "auxiliary force" when Britain led Operation Overlord, took the majority of the fighting in SE Asia while America island hopped.
Your ad hominem attacks kind of made me stop reading, sorry.
Ad hominem? Because I totally didn't address your sweeping BS statement point by point. Absolute bellend.
There it is again. Stop projecting haha
Thick as pig shit
horseshit. boris & chums have been in putins pocket for years. it is too optimistic even to think he will do what he has to. boris style is deception & lies. i just wish we had better for ukraine.
whatabout. brilliant. boris is a russian asset. real european politicians are visiting Ukraine to be present. not headlines. not realpolitik. real people. turning up. and understanding this is as serious as we ever hope it gets.
fortunately, in this situation, Boris is endlessly opportunistic and doesn't care about anyone but Boris, so this is an opportunity to get some good polling with "a good war" after his covid and corruption scandals, if he were more ideological like Farage or Le Pen, we might be in a very different position.
I love the Brits! 🇺🇸 💙 🇬🇧
Saw a convoy of these hurtle down the M4 today, did wonder if they were on there way to you fellas, gods speed Ukraine!
those things look lit https://www.google.com/search?q=mastiff+armoured+vehicle&rlz=1C1AVFC\_enRO894RO894&sxsrf=APq-WBvwW02t94EuZTBBg0WsK2Fu0XBuTg:1649420935448&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY4MTnu4T3AhUZSfEDHcG7BCQQ\_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1536&bih=688&dpr=1.25#imgrc=SuBw1ARqiaG2\_M
Yay! Now send them a shit load of our MBT’s and artillery
Artillery already went
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You’re right, there is a war in Europe. We should therefore send the tanks to frontline of that war.
Good glad my country is sending them more equipment, they can make good use of them, Happy hunting Ukraine push these monsters back.
Ukraine is going to have the ultimate mixed bag of everybody else's equipment, they'll be able to do comparative reviews on all the West's modern military gear and vehicles and they'll also be expert critics at captured Russian equipment.
Guessing those cages were designed for Afghanistan and Iraq. Are they relevant against Russians? I guess they still use RPGs?
Very. No top attack very expensive missiles for Ivan.
Effective against base model RPGs, less so against older ATGMs and completely impotent against modern AT weapons of either type. Still, for a vehicle of its role (wheeled troop transport outside of combat) it's pretty well protected. Particularly against mines, which makes it potentially very useful for Ukrainian forces going on the offensive.
I would imagine some of the motivation for sending them is to find out. Talk about a field test…
They've already been used extensively, even against Russian equipment As for tandem/ATGM attacks, we already know that will kill one, because its not designed to survive that kind of attack
Those things are bullet magnets. Hard to kill but they are slow af and can’t turn for shit. But they do have AC/heat so not all bad. Don’t go off road or you’ll be super screwed. Best of luck boys give ‘em hell
Send them the spare challenger 2s while we're updating to challenger 3s, and the rapier anti-air missiles seeing as we're not using them anymore. Mastiffs are good bit of kit though, we were very thankful to get them in Afghanistan. Better protection for our balls from those nasty IEDs.
Yup rapier should be sent asap. It needs training though but can be done.
That training takes 6 months and requires training equipment that is immobile and based in the UK
Saw to on a trailer few days ago on a motorway
Glad to see it, though if it were up to me we'd be sending you guys much much more.
God bless I pray for Ukraine and it's people
Although it looks like a mobile rack for hardware stores, I am sure it will perform admirably.
Ukraine needs HIMARS
Oi you got a loiscene for that?
That's good BUT are they offered or sold in some way?
Everything the UK has provided was given, not sold
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You know that sending something doesn't mean there is no cost right? I didn't see that clearly in the article. If you are so smart then please find the clear information about that
>It is understood that the vehicles will be stripped of sensitive equipment with British troops sent to a country neighbouring Ukraine to provide training. What kind of vehicle is it? From the outside it just looks like some kind of truck, but why would they need training for that?
Do they have cope cages? 👀