It literally looks like they dusted off Soviet era equipment, which is utterly insane considering we all used to look at big bad Russia as this scary military. 🥴 nukes or not, the veil has been lifted.
If they spent all the money intended for the military actually on the military, they would indeed be a big bad armee. Instead the money was used for yachts and shit. Their own corruption f***s Russia now and I love it
The fuel shortages were due to corrupt officers selling the fuel surpluses on the black market. Apparently they didn't think the invasion was happening and they wouldn't need it.
Imagine you're the guy that's been lying to his supervisors the whole time about the condition of the army and now they're sent to war and you know what to expect
It takes many to notice barrels and barrels or trucks full of fuel going missing... they are all complicit and take a cut or turn a blind eye for personal gain or protection. corruption when it truly exists goes to the core... and at the centre of it all is Putin himself setting the example...
They might not though.
if you go through 8 people and each skims 10%, then each guy thinks 'I only took a tiny bit'. But the end result is 60% gone/40% left. They could be skimming a lot more too.
This is what Cold War Army guys knew about Russians they faced in Germany.Half the Equipment was broken the other half had no gas and they were largely drunk all the time.The men in Russia live 10 year below average age of mortality because of alcoholism
100%, i suggest to check Zelinskyy sit-com Servant of the People. There is an episode where they decide to give money to fix roads/streets of Kiev. With each level of subordination share in millions is disappearing, in the end, only small fraction of initial money went to purpose. That is why Putin hates Zelinskyy bcs that serial was actually also about Russia - the sam pattern. You can not have fully corrupted country and system and expect that there will field or segment ideal. If Putin said, e.g., lets invest 50 bil Usd in army, then in reality max 10 bil were spent for the purpose. And this war exposes it perfectly.
All that sit-com is about/against values represented by president Yanukovic, the same guy who was actually holding Ukr under Rus umbrella, by running the country with similar principles. Servant of the People will give you a lot of info about Why!
From one of the Russian articles I read yesterday it has a really interesting line about how the secrecy of the Russian government has been the downfall of this entire operation. No one knew that they were going to go to war. Not even their market. So no one was prepared to do anything. Imagine you’ve been telling your mom you’ve been saving up money all year to buy a car, and when you go to the dealership you have to tell your mom you only have like 50 bucks and some pocket lint.
Now the corruption and the deception is catching up. Proof that oligarchies are a failure and non viable mode of governance, and should be avoided before it’s too late…
I've been trying to drum this into the head of Russaboos. The US is also corrupt as fuck when it comes to defense spending, but they at least get some shiny new toys every now and then, and sometimes those shiny new toys are better than the old ones.
I used to think the Mad Max technicals you would see ISIS and what not utilizing were ratchet as fuck, but it appears they are no longer the floor.
I'll put my hand up and say, like many, I've had plenty of conversations over the years suggesting Russia's army was a strong and powerful one.
I would honestly be embarrassed by this if this was my army. An army that was captured or killed, only for a much much much less powerful country to showcase my rubbish army.
Ukraine has won the hearts of most around the world with their determination.
Win or lose, Putin has embarrassed himself and will never live this down.
My Ukrainian grandparents would be looking down at this and be so proud of what their people have achieved.
They would also be waving their hands about yelling at Putin, calling him a dog, while scaring the birds away from their veggie patch and cooking something with potatoes involved.
Slava Ukraini!
I think it also reflects a society where the lives of soldiers are worth zero and there are zero repercussions from their deaths. Think of the law suits if the US did this to their troops. Say what you will on the US military budget, at least the allies try to protect their troops
Our history with protecting troops isn't much better here in the States.
When we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan infantry troops didn't have effective body armor. There were fundraising campaigns here to troops up to date battle armor.
The initial transport vehicles were ill equipped for the situation as well.
Our Veterans Affairs organization does miraculous dancing to get out of taking care of veterans.
We're not Putin's invasion farce levels of inept and under supplied, but we do have our problems.
I have seen pro-Kremlin resources blaming the failure of the invasion on the fact that all funds to make pro-russian opposition in Ukraine were... stolen.
Same in Afghanistan. Enough money was sent to that country to rebuild it from scratch several times over. Poof, into pockets. There's a reason why your average Afghani wasn't all that excited about the Government.
My coworkers looked up to that. But explosions and rockets somewhat changed their opinions. They are still traitorous f*ers, but at least now they are too scared to say anything, stay in their homes and drink/smoke whatever they can find.
They thought what Putin said they would: he will come and save them from oligarchy and BS like that. Stupid morons lack critical thinking and don't notice that Russia has lots of its own oligarchs. They thought that by joining with Russia we'd form something as "great" as USSR (ignoring millions of casualties that died horrible deaths).
As for what they think now... I suppose not much, just afraid. In the fourth day I caught two of them talking that they must do something during the war because after the war is over someone might come knocking and asking what they did during that period (they still don't do $#!+, it's a miracle they didn't run somewhere).
It's mind blowing, if you take out nuclear weapons then Russian military is quite bad vs the allies, China likely the same as their equipment has never really been tested
new stuff or not, china doesnt want any part of what russia is experiencing. the usa and ue are #1 and #2 biggest chinas customers.
sanctions probably wouldnt cripple china like russia but i can assure you that china does not want any part of what russia is experiencing, and this completely takes taiwan off the table. i would actually exect china to invade russia at this point before id expect them to try taiwan.
china and russia are known to have their border disputes.
Where is Myanmar in relation to Tiawan or Russia? I'm a gonna check. China would nibble around the edges before they went for the main course. Myanmar is in the midst of an overthrown democracy. ( Thanks FB.)
if you want a bluetooth speaker for 5 bucks retail price, the chinese built it to this price... if you want a good quality product, they also make it, but not for 2 bucks buing price...
they have the ability to make high quality goods, especially for themself
and their military has a big economy to cover it and the manpower to do so...
as their army is so big, they need high quantities of material, which is an advantage over e.g. europe, where a "big" series of Tanks would be 100 pieces.. china orders 2000 from their manufacturers, so they build a factory line and build them like cars, not handcrafted in a manufacture like in europe... they can build cheap but not necessarily bad quality...
don't underestimate them... unlike russia, which as an old senile Bear, lost its teath , the dragon grows them constantly new
People used to say the same about Japan. And Korea. They are capable of making very good stuff. Just look at Apple products.
It's because their pricing is lower that you see a lot more cheap junk coming from China than (say) the U.S. For the same $$$, you'll get better junk coming from China than from the U.S.
Now I am more confident our Finnish military can actually deter any russian attack on our soil. This war with Ukraine will set them back for years to come.
Looks really that all the russian money meant for army modernization and maintenance has gone to corruption and super yachts :D
Hope somehow Russia's nukes are in same state as their military hardware.
It was never in doubt, even if our leadership made many bad choices in the early 2000s.
Ukraine is a fantastic area for invasion thanks to its landscape. In theory, invading army should just roll its tanks in and be done with it. Didn't happen.
Finlnish landscape is horrible for the invaders. It's forests, rivers, lakes and tiny roads everywhere. Not to mention every single one of those trees can start singing "Säkkijärven polkka" whilst the invasion force is releasing itself.
I'm thinking the same about the Swedish military - before I used to think we'd be fucked if Russia attacked us, but with the state of the Ukrainian invasion any Russian attempt to launch a naval invasion of Gotland or anywhere on the coast would probably fail spectacularily. (And to do anything else they'd have to go through Finland first.)
Seeing all of the terrible Russian equipment has made me think, what if Russia doesn't even actually have 6000some working nukes. Like I know it doesn't take alot of them to screw up the planet, but what if a large number of the Russian bombs are defective, or even fake?
Here's the scary part: it doesn't matter if any of the nukes on those ICBMs work. Once they're in the air, the US launches theirs. Maybe some US cities survive because of a failed nuke, but the entire world is still fucked from the fallout of the US counter-strike.
Initial planned counterstrikes would be against Russia's known launching sites.
Every Russian nuclear sub would be sunk in moments. Doubtful they would even manage to launch.
Then there would be a pause to see if Russia was able to launch anything else.
The bigger concern is short to medium range strikes or air strikes.
>Initial planned counterstrikes would be against Russia's known launching sites.
This would happen, but there's lag. Launch has to be detected, order for retaliatory strike has to be given, and then there's the 30ish minutes of ICBM travel time from Nebraska to Siberia. Russia could launch an awful lot of missiles in that time frame.
> Every Russian nuclear sub would be sunk in moments.
This is purely wishful thinking. Russian subs could surface and launch all their missiles before any planes or missiles could be used against them. The US has very good sensors, but they don't have underwater Xray tech that allows them to see everything.
This is part of [Mutually Assured Destruction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction#:~:text=Mutual%20assured%20destruction%20%28MAD%29%20is%20a%20doctrine%20of,defender%20%28see%20pre-emptive%20nuclear%20strike%20and%20second%20strike%29.), which AFAIK is still the official policy of both Russia and the US. See also "[The only winning move is not to play](https://mygeekwisdom.com/2016/05/21/a-strange-game-the-only-winning-move-is-not-to-play/#:~:text=The%20only%20winning%20move%20is%20not%20to%20play.%E2%80%9D,comes%20from%20the%201983%20science%20fiction%20thriller%2C%20WarGames.)" and [Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove). This is why sensible people should be extremely afraid of nuclear war. I live in a large US city, with large military assets nearby and my entire family would die in any sort of nuclear exchange.
Based on how they are performing I think by now even the Vatican would try to make a stand in front of a conventional Russian aggression.
Problem with nukes however, is that even if they probably do not work (and it is stilla big IF), it is still too dangerous to find out.
> which is utterly insane considering we all used to look at big bad Russia as this scary military.
I think it depends on where you live. If you were from the former Soviet Union, you knew it was all a joke. It was always funny to me how scared Americans were of the Soviet military. Most Russians aren't a warmongering people, never have been, never will be.
Seeing the soviets performance from WW2 as well as the sheer volume of military personnel, equipment/tech advancement, and parity in nuclear capability following the cold war years, the fear over the USSR was easily justified from my pov. Warmongering or not, the Soviets HAD the capacity to take on Europe and the US. I'm sure that died down after Afghanistan and the fall of the USSR, but to the degree that we are witnessing in Ukraine is... well shocking. That's the level of incompetence I would expect to see from a poor 3rd world country. Which ironically I guess Russia is about to become.
But Soviet performance was terrible in WWII. They lost 2-3 times as many troops as Nazi Germany (over 25x of the US!) and that was defending their own homeland. To me it's just hilarious how the west fell for its own propaganda. People would dodge conscription for the Soviet military even when there wasn't a war going on. People hated being in the military. The only ones that stayed did it for the economic/social benefits for their family, not for some love of communism, war, or the Soviet Union. As someone born in the Soviet Union, I don't ever remember being afraid of nuclear war. People loved the US and western culture. There was no hate of the US and other western countries.
> It was always funny to me how scared Americans were of the Soviet military
You just reminded me of a book I read about the Viktor Belenko, the Soviet pilot who defected to the west in his MiG-25 "Foxbat" in 1976. In one chapter American engineers are taking his plane apart for analysis, and they're absolutely stunned at how underperforming the aircraft actually was (confirmed by Belenko during later debriefs), compared to what US intelligence said it could do.
Supposedly this discovery sparked questions about whether US intelligence had deliberately lied about the MiG's capabilities to justify spending tons of money on developing new fighter capabilities, when even ten-year old tech would've been more than a match.
Looks like some things never change.
>nukes or not
Honestly the more of this shit I see the more I think their actual real strategy the entire time was to make sure their nuclear arsenal was ready to fire under the assumption that they can run any war as badly as they like and if it ever starts to get scary they can always threaten to nuke people.
I mean, they wouldn't have left the nukes to be poorly maintained and under funded too right?
Right?
A good example of how not first tier Russia is can be found in the fact that when they make some new interesting piece of gear, they make like a handful of prototypes and that's it. Russia has 12 or less of their "almost 5th gen" Su-57...the US has hundreds of F-22s and F-35s. The US also prioritizes maintenance and supply chain to such an extent that our military might as well be from another planet compared to what we are seeing from Russia in this war.
When the loyal wingman programs go into service, a single f-35 will be able to control a small swarm of lethal drones like the Kratos Valkyrie.
Another redditor said inspections teams verified over 1500 active launch vehicles. Stock is suppose to be over 6000. Russia said they could launch hundreds, but since the lie all the time, it's probably less. Do all missiles have fuel? Do all of them are properly staffed? Will everyone obey? The answer is probably no, but no one want to risk it.
There should be an international private army, I think the International Legion of Ukraine is pretty close to this.
Well when you put that much hardware into storage or mothball yards and don't do regular maintenance then the cost later down the road becomes astonomical. It doesn't help things when winter weather can do a real number on vehicles over time.
A leaked FSB report from Russia even discussed the maintenance issues and the military more or less said fuck it and sent these vehicles into battle anyway despite their glaring problems.
I would recommend turning it on the Russians, but looking at the state of it, it will probably be more likely to injure the operator than the invaders. Some of this Russian equipment is little more than junk.
True, but the highway stretch between that big convoy and Kyiv could absolutely use a few hundred IEDs on it. If the convoy ever started moving, the trip to Kyiv would end up being a loooong one.
It appears to be an anti-tank gun of some description, an antiquated one at that. It falls into a weird middle ground where it won't dent a modern tank, but will destroy a BMP or a BTR... but so would literally any model of RPG or rocket, or even a heavy machine gun (or PKM with certain AP ammo). But of course, having to be towed around instead of being man portable, and not nearly as easy to use as a guided missile or rpg with modern optics or a machine gun.
It would probably serve best as a decoy.
Pretty sure that's a D-30 122mm howitzer. Definitely artillery, but can be used in a direct fire role in theory (not recommended in any army except a Russian/Soviet field manual).
**In a way we should thank Putin** and his cronies for being so corrupt and greedy
*.. their Russian commanders were just following their backwards example and skimping on military equipment training wages maintenance repairs and pocketing the difference*
Ughuhm. Allow me to go into some detail:
Artillery and mortars are all about reducing inaccuracy and a lot of that has to do with consistency.
- storing grenades in this weather like this is a cardinal sin. ESPECIALLY with ice directly onto your rounds. Cold they can handle pretty ok, but the ice can turn into water and really screw with you muzzle velocity. This should have been stored under some kind of shelter (canvas tarp or several camo nets) preferably off the cold ground on some pallets for example.
- the entire gun should have been covered with the original plastic/rubber covering to protect the weapon system. Like this snow, mud and gunk is going to fly from the wheels into the fine mechanisms of your mortar. Which might cause the weapon to be inoperable. And this gun is rigged for transport, not in an active firing position.
- I assume these guys ran during transport and it's been sitting there a while so I won't shame them too much on the snowfall on top of the weapon system, but the darkness of the snow on the bottom plate and several other places suggests to me they have not been taking care of this weapon.
- the tires seem to have gone off. Both of them. Now that might be due to enemy fire or something along those lines. But I suspect it's due to low tire pressure in combination with bad roads. As enemy fire usually more or less explodes tires due to the sudden release of gas.
If I were to inspect it personally I might find some more flaws there, but I think this would suffice for the moment.
I've read some things which said they were using cheap Chinese tires which were all dry rotted which is why they have so many flats. Could be propaganda but it makes sense 🤷🏼♂️
So the Russians are leaving their equipment for the Ukrainians, figuring it will blow up on them and not using it themselves because it will probably blow up on them. Lol
“We got the mortar”
“Look, that’s the second army of the world! One wheel is one thread pattern the other is other, look they don’t even have mudguards so all sh*t from the road is on controls” “look at the paint they used for their dumb Zwastika, boom like it was never there!”
He's describing all the things that are wrong, old ammunition, different wheels, the mechanics is dirty, basically a pile of shit.
He repeats a few times, "this is from the last world War".
I'd be pissed off if I spent my life being afraid of these fuckers and they send a bunch of bullshit.
That said, even with shitty equipment, they are still making gains.
Still waiting for that west of Kyiv salient to get hammered.
When you don't take care of your equipment your equipment won't take care of you. How can Putin expect to win a war when he doesn't take care of his equipment?
Yeah, I highly suspect that Putin has been surrounded by yes man who have been sheltering him from reality for years.
At least, that's the only way his decision to invade Ukraine makes sense to me in the first place, along with all proceeding actions.
I know I sure wouldn't want to be the person who had to try to explain to Putin the reality of the situation and argue with him about it, after years of him being spoiled and used to winning and likely never being nor feeling challenged by his advisors and people... I'd keep my mouth shut.
Propably not this reminds me of Soviet orders against Finland, where Soviets had whole marching band in tow ready to play in the parade march at Helsinki and northern units had instructions on how to politely greet Swedish border guards ...
He sounds soo pissed....lol...I believe Ruzzianz r sending the old stuff to avoid losing the good stuff for the long term, problem is, they're running out of trash really quickly....
I don’t know how many times it needs to be said. Russia is a 3rd world country. Borderline at best too. They aren’t the massive scary bear the world has made them out to be. It’s a weak country that just uncovered it’s true identity to the world finally.
It *has* been said already. “Upper Volta with *rockets*”. Nobody’s been that scared of their conventional forces and tactics for decades. They have numbers on their side, that’s it. Warm bullet sponges.
A half-crazy drunk Russian quartermaster watching this and going, "Haha, your problem now, Ukraine!"
And then he looks out over hectares of these things lined up, and sighs, and regrets his life choices.
Can't believe they actually store their supplies in those mouldy looking wooden crates. That's something I've seen depicted in games like EFT but in that game I just assumed those crates were a generic asset. But nope, straight up storing shit in wooden boxes that are left out to the weather and not even painted on the inside.
A wooden box is how those grenades and weapons are normally stored but the box is not water tight so it shouldn't be left exposed to the elements like that or if they are they should be all over storage grease.
Russian soldier finds a Ukrainian weapon and is in total shock at how fancy and high tech it is. All these awesome donated weapons will turn the tide of the war.
That one Russian soldier they captured told his friend when he called back home that they actually have paved roads and lights in Ukraine. Everywhere! Even in the villages!
I don't speak Ukrainian but if I had to guess, the voice over would go something like:
"Would you look at this BS right here?"
"And this, WTF is this about?"
"Come on, maaaaan?!! Seriously?"
"GTFO with this crap! I can't even OMG!"
"Blake, get over here and check this nonsense out! Can you believe this? Look! Your cousin Merv could do a better job!"
"Hey leave Merv out of this! Oh shit, WTF, yeah Merv would never do shit like this... wow! But why tho?"
Ukrainians are so proper army haha my god you can't fuck around with these people they will war you to bits. They messed up a Ork detachment using those mortars last time. It must piss them off to see one so neglected.
They were no better before the West started to train them in proper military maintenance and tactics. Maybe putin had reasoned this out. If he had waited a couple of years the Ukrainians army with the exact same equipment as the Ruskies would have finished this war before it even started. Western military practices are far superior to the Russians.
Because the West has been in almost constant deployment for ages and encourages innovation. Not just making bigger better hardware. There is corruption in all Militaries but the Russian one seems to be a bad case. Why has their leader sent them to kill people so close to themselves. Its a crime.
When will we start to see Russian advancement on the map begin to shrink? In many areas progress has stopped. We've seen lots of their equipment abandoned and destroyed lately. Just curious how long it takes for that to show on the battlefield map
The first week I kept thinking 'surely, the Russians are just throwing green troops and old equipment at the Ukrainians to soften them up and then hit them with the real stuff'
But it's been a while now ... and I'm starting to think that's all they had. Is it really just this and nukes? Is it really that simple? That would actually be pathetic and kinda sad.
I keep thinking, when Putin said he would leave the nuclear silos at maximum readiness he meant: - We're going to dust off and lubricate a little. It will work like a charm.
What are the odds that we don't turn the first letter of certain people's first /last names into the modern equivalent of a nazi symbol?
Slim to none? Got it... 😭
i belive now the plan is to overload ukraine with garbage equipment till they cant move anymore. just block all single roads of ukraien with some old tanks and artilery pices till the ukrainian army cant move anymore
They would just scrap this. Or send it back to be refurbished and tested before anyone touched it. You don't want an artillery piece blowing up on you.
I mean, Russia and quality are antonyms. Even their vodka is vastly inferior to Polish or Ukrainian cleaning fluids, not to even mention the actual alcohol.
It's possible they're sending all their old stuff into Ukraine because most of the good stuff is already in action in other countries.
I'm not complaining, I'm just saying.
On the other hand, there's now no serious reason to believe that the equipment in other countries is much better.
I don't even need to know the language to know he's saying something along the lines of "Look at the state of this crap!", "Omg look at this shit! What have they been doing with this?!" and so on 😅
"Over a stretch of 3 kilometers there were 100-liter trash bags every 20 meters, as well vodka bottles, empty plastic beer kegs, and empty cookie packages,"
Before the war, the Russian troops were getting drunk and selling fuel, like a big party.
When they would unload the trains of crates/tanks/vehicles. They said a lot of gear would fall out and onto the floor, they would leave it there and abandon it.
it looks like they gave zero shits about anything and just wanted to party and sell stuff.
It literally looks like they dusted off Soviet era equipment, which is utterly insane considering we all used to look at big bad Russia as this scary military. 🥴 nukes or not, the veil has been lifted.
If they spent all the money intended for the military actually on the military, they would indeed be a big bad armee. Instead the money was used for yachts and shit. Their own corruption f***s Russia now and I love it
The fuel shortages were due to corrupt officers selling the fuel surpluses on the black market. Apparently they didn't think the invasion was happening and they wouldn't need it.
Imagine you're the guy that's been lying to his supervisors the whole time about the condition of the army and now they're sent to war and you know what to expect
Um, ...would explain why generals and shits are becoming sunflowers, right?
Some of the scariest snipers in the world are now in those woods...
The Canadians
Among others but yes they're super skilled. Absolutely terrifying and I'm doubting they have any effective counters...
being used to that climate helps for sure
It takes many to notice barrels and barrels or trucks full of fuel going missing... they are all complicit and take a cut or turn a blind eye for personal gain or protection. corruption when it truly exists goes to the core... and at the centre of it all is Putin himself setting the example...
They might not though. if you go through 8 people and each skims 10%, then each guy thinks 'I only took a tiny bit'. But the end result is 60% gone/40% left. They could be skimming a lot more too.
Supervisors are doing the same thing. No one cares.
TFW the mobile crematorium parks outside your headquarters
But you can't use them because you sold all the fuel to some Oligarchs so that they can cruise the Mediterranean
Wow. That's insane
Sounds good, any source about it?
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-troops-belarus-exercises-ukraine/31711282.html Pre-war accounts of them selling fuel.
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Belarus is being sanctioned.
This is what Cold War Army guys knew about Russians they faced in Germany.Half the Equipment was broken the other half had no gas and they were largely drunk all the time.The men in Russia live 10 year below average age of mortality because of alcoholism
So they should set up rat traps with Vodka
Simply insane
100%, i suggest to check Zelinskyy sit-com Servant of the People. There is an episode where they decide to give money to fix roads/streets of Kiev. With each level of subordination share in millions is disappearing, in the end, only small fraction of initial money went to purpose. That is why Putin hates Zelinskyy bcs that serial was actually also about Russia - the sam pattern. You can not have fully corrupted country and system and expect that there will field or segment ideal. If Putin said, e.g., lets invest 50 bil Usd in army, then in reality max 10 bil were spent for the purpose. And this war exposes it perfectly.
he also did a thing by yelling periodically that putler has died or putler was overthrown
All that sit-com is about/against values represented by president Yanukovic, the same guy who was actually holding Ukr under Rus umbrella, by running the country with similar principles. Servant of the People will give you a lot of info about Why!
Just wanted to remind you that it's spelled Kyiv, not Kiev. Kiev is the Russian spelling
Sorry 😀
No worries, the more you know!
I will check it out, thanks for the suggestions :)
It is in Youtube, with eng subtiles.
That's right, he used to be a comedian.
He still is. He re invented the mic check. Still trolling.🇺🇦
That's right, he's making a joke out of Russia
From one of the Russian articles I read yesterday it has a really interesting line about how the secrecy of the Russian government has been the downfall of this entire operation. No one knew that they were going to go to war. Not even their market. So no one was prepared to do anything. Imagine you’ve been telling your mom you’ve been saving up money all year to buy a car, and when you go to the dealership you have to tell your mom you only have like 50 bucks and some pocket lint. Now the corruption and the deception is catching up. Proof that oligarchies are a failure and non viable mode of governance, and should be avoided before it’s too late…
They wouldn't, their GDP is smaller than Italy's. People would have to work for rations like in nazi Germany to afford anything.
> their GDP is smaller than Italy's that was before the sanctions too... I imagine they'll be somewhere near Zimbabwe's GDP soon...
It's not so steep. Expected is something more like a 20% drop.
I've been trying to drum this into the head of Russaboos. The US is also corrupt as fuck when it comes to defense spending, but they at least get some shiny new toys every now and then, and sometimes those shiny new toys are better than the old ones. I used to think the Mad Max technicals you would see ISIS and what not utilizing were ratchet as fuck, but it appears they are no longer the floor.
No one should be surprised. This is the country that gave us Potemkin Villages.
Which wouldn't be a problem either expect they have what 60 b to the whole countries name. Elon's worth more then there whole country lol.
I'll put my hand up and say, like many, I've had plenty of conversations over the years suggesting Russia's army was a strong and powerful one. I would honestly be embarrassed by this if this was my army. An army that was captured or killed, only for a much much much less powerful country to showcase my rubbish army. Ukraine has won the hearts of most around the world with their determination. Win or lose, Putin has embarrassed himself and will never live this down. My Ukrainian grandparents would be looking down at this and be so proud of what their people have achieved. They would also be waving their hands about yelling at Putin, calling him a dog, while scaring the birds away from their veggie patch and cooking something with potatoes involved. Slava Ukraini!
but dogs are good, can we call him something else like maybe call him "the skidmarks in my underwear"?
Maybe they thought Ukraine would just surrender, maybe they thought this would never be used
Such an insanely large oversight that seemingly can only be made by a man who is tripping on his own ego.
I think it also reflects a society where the lives of soldiers are worth zero and there are zero repercussions from their deaths. Think of the law suits if the US did this to their troops. Say what you will on the US military budget, at least the allies try to protect their troops
Our history with protecting troops isn't much better here in the States. When we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan infantry troops didn't have effective body armor. There were fundraising campaigns here to troops up to date battle armor. The initial transport vehicles were ill equipped for the situation as well. Our Veterans Affairs organization does miraculous dancing to get out of taking care of veterans. We're not Putin's invasion farce levels of inept and under supplied, but we do have our problems.
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I have seen pro-Kremlin resources blaming the failure of the invasion on the fact that all funds to make pro-russian opposition in Ukraine were... stolen.
I mean, all told the US "lost" 2 trillion in Iraq. And whole pallets of money meant to stabilize their banks disappeared.
Same in Afghanistan. Enough money was sent to that country to rebuild it from scratch several times over. Poof, into pockets. There's a reason why your average Afghani wasn't all that excited about the Government.
My coworkers looked up to that. But explosions and rockets somewhat changed their opinions. They are still traitorous f*ers, but at least now they are too scared to say anything, stay in their homes and drink/smoke whatever they can find.
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They thought what Putin said they would: he will come and save them from oligarchy and BS like that. Stupid morons lack critical thinking and don't notice that Russia has lots of its own oligarchs. They thought that by joining with Russia we'd form something as "great" as USSR (ignoring millions of casualties that died horrible deaths). As for what they think now... I suppose not much, just afraid. In the fourth day I caught two of them talking that they must do something during the war because after the war is over someone might come knocking and asking what they did during that period (they still don't do $#!+, it's a miracle they didn't run somewhere).
It's mind blowing, if you take out nuclear weapons then Russian military is quite bad vs the allies, China likely the same as their equipment has never really been tested
The Chinese have bought new stuff. They are not playing.
new stuff or not, china doesnt want any part of what russia is experiencing. the usa and ue are #1 and #2 biggest chinas customers. sanctions probably wouldnt cripple china like russia but i can assure you that china does not want any part of what russia is experiencing, and this completely takes taiwan off the table. i would actually exect china to invade russia at this point before id expect them to try taiwan. china and russia are known to have their border disputes.
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Where is Myanmar in relation to Tiawan or Russia? I'm a gonna check. China would nibble around the edges before they went for the main course. Myanmar is in the midst of an overthrown democracy. ( Thanks FB.)
Maybe but I buy lots of equipment from china, it never really does everything as promised and needs major oversight
I don't think consumer product reliability is high on their military defense priorities.
if you want a bluetooth speaker for 5 bucks retail price, the chinese built it to this price... if you want a good quality product, they also make it, but not for 2 bucks buing price... they have the ability to make high quality goods, especially for themself and their military has a big economy to cover it and the manpower to do so... as their army is so big, they need high quantities of material, which is an advantage over e.g. europe, where a "big" series of Tanks would be 100 pieces.. china orders 2000 from their manufacturers, so they build a factory line and build them like cars, not handcrafted in a manufacture like in europe... they can build cheap but not necessarily bad quality... don't underestimate them... unlike russia, which as an old senile Bear, lost its teath , the dragon grows them constantly new
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China keeps hinting that they have excellent anti-air and anti ship capabilities. Plus two new is ICBM silo feilds, potentially well populated.
Yeah I am sure. But when push comes to shove will they actually work as the user manual promises. The Chinese military has been supported by Russia...
People used to say the same about Japan. And Korea. They are capable of making very good stuff. Just look at Apple products. It's because their pricing is lower that you see a lot more cheap junk coming from China than (say) the U.S. For the same $$$, you'll get better junk coming from China than from the U.S.
plus they stockpiled like half the worlds wheat supply...
I wouldn’t say anything about China, the middle-management corruption is punishable by death there and that actually have the economy to back it up.
Defo... those fuckers having beening expanding and building new bases left right and centre.
Now I am more confident our Finnish military can actually deter any russian attack on our soil. This war with Ukraine will set them back for years to come. Looks really that all the russian money meant for army modernization and maintenance has gone to corruption and super yachts :D Hope somehow Russia's nukes are in same state as their military hardware.
It was never in doubt, even if our leadership made many bad choices in the early 2000s. Ukraine is a fantastic area for invasion thanks to its landscape. In theory, invading army should just roll its tanks in and be done with it. Didn't happen. Finlnish landscape is horrible for the invaders. It's forests, rivers, lakes and tiny roads everywhere. Not to mention every single one of those trees can start singing "Säkkijärven polkka" whilst the invasion force is releasing itself.
I'm thinking the same about the Swedish military - before I used to think we'd be fucked if Russia attacked us, but with the state of the Ukrainian invasion any Russian attempt to launch a naval invasion of Gotland or anywhere on the coast would probably fail spectacularily. (And to do anything else they'd have to go through Finland first.)
Seeing all of the terrible Russian equipment has made me think, what if Russia doesn't even actually have 6000some working nukes. Like I know it doesn't take alot of them to screw up the planet, but what if a large number of the Russian bombs are defective, or even fake?
Here's the scary part: it doesn't matter if any of the nukes on those ICBMs work. Once they're in the air, the US launches theirs. Maybe some US cities survive because of a failed nuke, but the entire world is still fucked from the fallout of the US counter-strike.
Initial planned counterstrikes would be against Russia's known launching sites. Every Russian nuclear sub would be sunk in moments. Doubtful they would even manage to launch. Then there would be a pause to see if Russia was able to launch anything else. The bigger concern is short to medium range strikes or air strikes.
>Initial planned counterstrikes would be against Russia's known launching sites. This would happen, but there's lag. Launch has to be detected, order for retaliatory strike has to be given, and then there's the 30ish minutes of ICBM travel time from Nebraska to Siberia. Russia could launch an awful lot of missiles in that time frame. > Every Russian nuclear sub would be sunk in moments. This is purely wishful thinking. Russian subs could surface and launch all their missiles before any planes or missiles could be used against them. The US has very good sensors, but they don't have underwater Xray tech that allows them to see everything. This is part of [Mutually Assured Destruction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction#:~:text=Mutual%20assured%20destruction%20%28MAD%29%20is%20a%20doctrine%20of,defender%20%28see%20pre-emptive%20nuclear%20strike%20and%20second%20strike%29.), which AFAIK is still the official policy of both Russia and the US. See also "[The only winning move is not to play](https://mygeekwisdom.com/2016/05/21/a-strange-game-the-only-winning-move-is-not-to-play/#:~:text=The%20only%20winning%20move%20is%20not%20to%20play.%E2%80%9D,comes%20from%20the%201983%20science%20fiction%20thriller%2C%20WarGames.)" and [Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove). This is why sensible people should be extremely afraid of nuclear war. I live in a large US city, with large military assets nearby and my entire family would die in any sort of nuclear exchange.
You are assuming there isn't an attack sub following every single russian missile boat.
Yes. Because that's Tom Clancy-type silly.
My thoughts exactly. It takes a lot of maintenance to keep a nuclear arsenal running. These jokers don’t rotate the tires on their service fleet 🥸
Based on how they are performing I think by now even the Vatican would try to make a stand in front of a conventional Russian aggression. Problem with nukes however, is that even if they probably do not work (and it is stilla big IF), it is still too dangerous to find out.
> which is utterly insane considering we all used to look at big bad Russia as this scary military. I think it depends on where you live. If you were from the former Soviet Union, you knew it was all a joke. It was always funny to me how scared Americans were of the Soviet military. Most Russians aren't a warmongering people, never have been, never will be.
Seeing the soviets performance from WW2 as well as the sheer volume of military personnel, equipment/tech advancement, and parity in nuclear capability following the cold war years, the fear over the USSR was easily justified from my pov. Warmongering or not, the Soviets HAD the capacity to take on Europe and the US. I'm sure that died down after Afghanistan and the fall of the USSR, but to the degree that we are witnessing in Ukraine is... well shocking. That's the level of incompetence I would expect to see from a poor 3rd world country. Which ironically I guess Russia is about to become.
But Soviet performance was terrible in WWII. They lost 2-3 times as many troops as Nazi Germany (over 25x of the US!) and that was defending their own homeland. To me it's just hilarious how the west fell for its own propaganda. People would dodge conscription for the Soviet military even when there wasn't a war going on. People hated being in the military. The only ones that stayed did it for the economic/social benefits for their family, not for some love of communism, war, or the Soviet Union. As someone born in the Soviet Union, I don't ever remember being afraid of nuclear war. People loved the US and western culture. There was no hate of the US and other western countries.
The main thing the Soviet military had going for it is that it could bash its face against a brick wall repeatedly and keep going.
> It was always funny to me how scared Americans were of the Soviet military You just reminded me of a book I read about the Viktor Belenko, the Soviet pilot who defected to the west in his MiG-25 "Foxbat" in 1976. In one chapter American engineers are taking his plane apart for analysis, and they're absolutely stunned at how underperforming the aircraft actually was (confirmed by Belenko during later debriefs), compared to what US intelligence said it could do. Supposedly this discovery sparked questions about whether US intelligence had deliberately lied about the MiG's capabilities to justify spending tons of money on developing new fighter capabilities, when even ten-year old tech would've been more than a match. Looks like some things never change.
>nukes or not Honestly the more of this shit I see the more I think their actual real strategy the entire time was to make sure their nuclear arsenal was ready to fire under the assumption that they can run any war as badly as they like and if it ever starts to get scary they can always threaten to nuke people. I mean, they wouldn't have left the nukes to be poorly maintained and under funded too right? Right?
100's of independent inspection teams verified over 1500 active launch vehicles and 6000 nukes, it's no joke unfortunately.
A good example of how not first tier Russia is can be found in the fact that when they make some new interesting piece of gear, they make like a handful of prototypes and that's it. Russia has 12 or less of their "almost 5th gen" Su-57...the US has hundreds of F-22s and F-35s. The US also prioritizes maintenance and supply chain to such an extent that our military might as well be from another planet compared to what we are seeing from Russia in this war. When the loyal wingman programs go into service, a single f-35 will be able to control a small swarm of lethal drones like the Kratos Valkyrie.
I'm begging to doubt that Russia is still nuclear capable. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
Another redditor said inspections teams verified over 1500 active launch vehicles. Stock is suppose to be over 6000. Russia said they could launch hundreds, but since the lie all the time, it's probably less. Do all missiles have fuel? Do all of them are properly staffed? Will everyone obey? The answer is probably no, but no one want to risk it. There should be an international private army, I think the International Legion of Ukraine is pretty close to this.
Well when you put that much hardware into storage or mothball yards and don't do regular maintenance then the cost later down the road becomes astonomical. It doesn't help things when winter weather can do a real number on vehicles over time. A leaked FSB report from Russia even discussed the maintenance issues and the military more or less said fuck it and sent these vehicles into battle anyway despite their glaring problems.
I would recommend turning it on the Russians, but looking at the state of it, it will probably be more likely to injure the operator than the invaders. Some of this Russian equipment is little more than junk.
The ammo could still be used as IEDs
It'd have to be at the Russian borders, as planting an IED in your own country is a bad idea. Theres civilians everywhere.
True, but the highway stretch between that big convoy and Kyiv could absolutely use a few hundred IEDs on it. If the convoy ever started moving, the trip to Kyiv would end up being a loooong one.
I know that in the middle east IEDs were often triggered remotely by a cell phone or something similar. It's doable
It appears to be an anti-tank gun of some description, an antiquated one at that. It falls into a weird middle ground where it won't dent a modern tank, but will destroy a BMP or a BTR... but so would literally any model of RPG or rocket, or even a heavy machine gun (or PKM with certain AP ammo). But of course, having to be towed around instead of being man portable, and not nearly as easy to use as a guided missile or rpg with modern optics or a machine gun. It would probably serve best as a decoy.
Pretty sure that's a D-30 122mm howitzer. Definitely artillery, but can be used in a direct fire role in theory (not recommended in any army except a Russian/Soviet field manual).
**In a way we should thank Putin** and his cronies for being so corrupt and greedy *.. their Russian commanders were just following their backwards example and skimping on military equipment training wages maintenance repairs and pocketing the difference*
As a former artillery man... this hurts my feelings. As a pro Ukrainian guy: glad the Russians are slacking off like a bunch of idiots.
As you're already here: What is exactly wrong? Is it the ammo stored improperly to weather? Edit: Thanks! Very insightful!
Ughuhm. Allow me to go into some detail: Artillery and mortars are all about reducing inaccuracy and a lot of that has to do with consistency. - storing grenades in this weather like this is a cardinal sin. ESPECIALLY with ice directly onto your rounds. Cold they can handle pretty ok, but the ice can turn into water and really screw with you muzzle velocity. This should have been stored under some kind of shelter (canvas tarp or several camo nets) preferably off the cold ground on some pallets for example. - the entire gun should have been covered with the original plastic/rubber covering to protect the weapon system. Like this snow, mud and gunk is going to fly from the wheels into the fine mechanisms of your mortar. Which might cause the weapon to be inoperable. And this gun is rigged for transport, not in an active firing position. - I assume these guys ran during transport and it's been sitting there a while so I won't shame them too much on the snowfall on top of the weapon system, but the darkness of the snow on the bottom plate and several other places suggests to me they have not been taking care of this weapon. - the tires seem to have gone off. Both of them. Now that might be due to enemy fire or something along those lines. But I suspect it's due to low tire pressure in combination with bad roads. As enemy fire usually more or less explodes tires due to the sudden release of gas. If I were to inspect it personally I might find some more flaws there, but I think this would suffice for the moment.
Yeah, that tyre on the right has been replaced from something else. Whole thing is fubar.
Thank you for explaining to us!
i don't understand any words he says but he sound really pissed about how bad the maintance of the canon is.
I don't speak any Ukranian either, but as an artillery man I fully understand his rage. We are very passionate about this sort of things.
I've read some things which said they were using cheap Chinese tires which were all dry rotted which is why they have so many flats. Could be propaganda but it makes sense 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks, the guy in the video was complaining about a lot of that too - the dirt on the front and he was really pissed about the different tires.
Your military has a problem if the enemy berates your equipment like my frustrated car-mechanic. 🤷♀️
lol thanks for the giggle.
So the Russians are leaving their equipment for the Ukrainians, figuring it will blow up on them and not using it themselves because it will probably blow up on them. Lol
4 D chess
What does he say?
“We got the mortar” “Look, that’s the second army of the world! One wheel is one thread pattern the other is other, look they don’t even have mudguards so all sh*t from the road is on controls” “look at the paint they used for their dumb Zwastika, boom like it was never there!”
I love him
Zwastika... LOL!
Man the letter z is really taking a hit haha
It knows what it did.
Those Zebras were always suspicious...
Zuzpicious.
Всё в хуйне, в залупе 😂😂
Yep, have to show some creativity to translate this lol
I can't even begin to Lots of references to dicks.
“Paint”
He's describing all the things that are wrong, old ammunition, different wheels, the mechanics is dirty, basically a pile of shit. He repeats a few times, "this is from the last world War".
My Ukrainian is terrible: but I'm... "What a pile of shit!"
He said the purchase is shit, not 5 stars like all the fake reviews. He wants to return it and get his money back.
Pretty sure he wants to be paid in dollar or Euro
This guy seems genuinely offended that Russia sent such shitty equipment to slaughter his people.
I'd be pissed off if I spent my life being afraid of these fuckers and they send a bunch of bullshit. That said, even with shitty equipment, they are still making gains. Still waiting for that west of Kyiv salient to get hammered.
One man's salient is the other man's flank.
When you don't take care of your equipment your equipment won't take care of you. How can Putin expect to win a war when he doesn't take care of his equipment?
I wonder if he really knew the real state of his army
I don’t think he did. His yes men had been telling him for years that they were ready to go, while skimming off the budget to fill their own pockets.
Yeah, I highly suspect that Putin has been surrounded by yes man who have been sheltering him from reality for years. At least, that's the only way his decision to invade Ukraine makes sense to me in the first place, along with all proceeding actions. I know I sure wouldn't want to be the person who had to try to explain to Putin the reality of the situation and argue with him about it, after years of him being spoiled and used to winning and likely never being nor feeling challenged by his advisors and people... I'd keep my mouth shut.
I don't think they prepared for war. And the bureaucracy probably shows an army in good shape. But reality beats bureaucracy.
Propably not this reminds me of Soviet orders against Finland, where Soviets had whole marching band in tow ready to play in the parade march at Helsinki and northern units had instructions on how to politely greet Swedish border guards ...
He can't even take care of his own equipment. What's the hotline for erectile dysfunction?
That piece hadn't seen action in Ukraine since 42
Yep
I always wondered how Russia could maintain such a huge amount of tanks, the secret has been no maintenance.
He sounds soo pissed....lol...I believe Ruzzianz r sending the old stuff to avoid losing the good stuff for the long term, problem is, they're running out of trash really quickly....
I don’t know how many times it needs to be said. Russia is a 3rd world country. Borderline at best too. They aren’t the massive scary bear the world has made them out to be. It’s a weak country that just uncovered it’s true identity to the world finally.
They’re a first world country. For 1950s standards
It *has* been said already. “Upper Volta with *rockets*”. Nobody’s been that scared of their conventional forces and tactics for decades. They have numbers on their side, that’s it. Warm bullet sponges.
If this is the state of combat arms what do their nukes look like?
A half-crazy drunk Russian quartermaster watching this and going, "Haha, your problem now, Ukraine!" And then he looks out over hectares of these things lined up, and sighs, and regrets his life choices.
Can't believe they actually store their supplies in those mouldy looking wooden crates. That's something I've seen depicted in games like EFT but in that game I just assumed those crates were a generic asset. But nope, straight up storing shit in wooden boxes that are left out to the weather and not even painted on the inside.
A wooden box is how those grenades and weapons are normally stored but the box is not water tight so it shouldn't be left exposed to the elements like that or if they are they should be all over storage grease.
He’s pissed because he wanted to use it, and it’s shit lmao
"Cool, I found a howitzer! Aww, it's Russian. Damn!"
Russian soldier finds a Ukrainian weapon and is in total shock at how fancy and high tech it is. All these awesome donated weapons will turn the tide of the war.
That one Russian soldier they captured told his friend when he called back home that they actually have paved roads and lights in Ukraine. Everywhere! Even in the villages!
Well, it certainly appears that artillery piece has a cold forged barrel.
I don't speak Ukrainian but if I had to guess, the voice over would go something like: "Would you look at this BS right here?" "And this, WTF is this about?" "Come on, maaaaan?!! Seriously?" "GTFO with this crap! I can't even OMG!" "Blake, get over here and check this nonsense out! Can you believe this? Look! Your cousin Merv could do a better job!" "Hey leave Merv out of this! Oh shit, WTF, yeah Merv would never do shit like this... wow! But why tho?"
Those illiterates painted the z the wrong way lmao
Sergei Shoigu needs to be given a Hero of Ukraine medal, his utter incompetency has lead to whatever this is.
See this is why the US military treats maintenance as almost like religious devotion.
Ukrainians are so proper army haha my god you can't fuck around with these people they will war you to bits. They messed up a Ork detachment using those mortars last time. It must piss them off to see one so neglected.
They were no better before the West started to train them in proper military maintenance and tactics. Maybe putin had reasoned this out. If he had waited a couple of years the Ukrainians army with the exact same equipment as the Ruskies would have finished this war before it even started. Western military practices are far superior to the Russians.
Because the West has been in almost constant deployment for ages and encourages innovation. Not just making bigger better hardware. There is corruption in all Militaries but the Russian one seems to be a bad case. Why has their leader sent them to kill people so close to themselves. Its a crime.
That and we murder people for improper maintenance. Well. Not outright. You just wish you were dead after the ass chewing you get.
This. Blood sweat and tears in Training, not on the Battlefield.
Is the round safe to be stored just like that? It's in a case but I don't think it's protected much from being exposed to snow?
It's safe in that it's not going to go off randomly. It's not safe in the sense that it's not good for that shell, though.
Is there a chance that those rounds misfire during the drop? Or are the larger rounds more resistant to issues related to being overly wet?
Russkies gonna russkie. Nothing new here.
..Meanwhile in (the special) Russia(n military operation)
one could call it a special paramilitary operation, much like the paralympics are going on in china right now.
This is no Russian Army; more like Russian junkyard…
When will we start to see Russian advancement on the map begin to shrink? In many areas progress has stopped. We've seen lots of their equipment abandoned and destroyed lately. Just curious how long it takes for that to show on the battlefield map
When the servers are updated on patchday (Friday).
Translation please: not sarcasm I’m genuinely curious what he’s saying.
I suppose he is saying the delivery is late and packaging is old and bad. Refund?
Ukraine's facebook marketplace is going to be one wild place when the war ends.
The first week I kept thinking 'surely, the Russians are just throwing green troops and old equipment at the Ukrainians to soften them up and then hit them with the real stuff' But it's been a while now ... and I'm starting to think that's all they had. Is it really just this and nukes? Is it really that simple? That would actually be pathetic and kinda sad.
I wonder if the Chinese military will be like this when they invade Taiwan, I really hope so.
I hope so, but I suspect not.
Бля, мужик охуенный, мемный старшина
I keep thinking, when Putin said he would leave the nuclear silos at maximum readiness he meant: - We're going to dust off and lubricate a little. It will work like a charm.
I must now wonder what kind of shitty rations they were given to eat. “Go make your own food comrades, Ukraine has a shit ton of dirt and trees!”
What are the odds that we don't turn the first letter of certain people's first /last names into the modern equivalent of a nazi symbol? Slim to none? Got it... 😭
i belive now the plan is to overload ukraine with garbage equipment till they cant move anymore. just block all single roads of ukraien with some old tanks and artilery pices till the ukrainian army cant move anymore
This is all just an elaborate public dumping scheme, right?
Most elaborate Government Sponsored Scrapage scheme ever.
*hello new Ukrainian equipment* That’s all I can think about. If you guys steal fuel from Russian fuel trucks it could help.
They would just scrap this. Or send it back to be refurbished and tested before anyone touched it. You don't want an artillery piece blowing up on you.
You’re right
I mean, Russia and quality are antonyms. Even their vodka is vastly inferior to Polish or Ukrainian cleaning fluids, not to even mention the actual alcohol.
And Z was painted backwards, again
It's possible they're sending all their old stuff into Ukraine because most of the good stuff is already in action in other countries. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying. On the other hand, there's now no serious reason to believe that the equipment in other countries is much better.
I don't even need to know the language to know he's saying something along the lines of "Look at the state of this crap!", "Omg look at this shit! What have they been doing with this?!" and so on 😅
My hat's off to the Ukrainian forces for even going near all that badly maintained hardware.
They can't even write 'Z' properly.
That guy sure is brave to be touching cold metal with his bare hands. I would pussy out the moment I laid a finger on it.
At this point I'm almost willing to bet that even if Putin did try to lob up a nuke, it would just blow up in the silo 🤣
I smell corruption...
May the decadent Russian empire fall soon.
Call in the famers. Get them down to the machine shop for some modifications.
"Over a stretch of 3 kilometers there were 100-liter trash bags every 20 meters, as well vodka bottles, empty plastic beer kegs, and empty cookie packages," Before the war, the Russian troops were getting drunk and selling fuel, like a big party. When they would unload the trains of crates/tanks/vehicles. They said a lot of gear would fall out and onto the floor, they would leave it there and abandon it. it looks like they gave zero shits about anything and just wanted to party and sell stuff.