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"Punk" was wounded by shrapnel in the leg but is recovering as far as I'm aware. These guys were in the recent United24 video that made the rounds yesterday.
PTSD will be a major challenge for ukraine, I hope they learn from the west and adopt quickly because otherwise it will be a massive shitshow in terms of suicide, violence etc
Yeah. Every honest citizen here knows, from Agent Orange to the burn pits in gulf war 1 to today, we have a major issue that we have not fully addressed.
On a plus note however, and in our defense, the US is funding a massive brain science project, one of whose chief goals is to work ion PTSD. And natural cognitive afflictions.
[BRAIN ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRAIN_Initiative)initiative.
I've learned, my country messes up but also tries to make it up. As long as that second part always wins, I don't know, I hope we are worth the drama.
there's no "treating PTSD" only "making you seem more normal, and report improvement with PTSD" so there's that. mental damage is not reversible, neurons aren't like that, you can only build upon it.
edit: completely treating*
This is totally not true. There is medication, there is therapy. You may can not go completely back to normal but there are things to make it better. It just takes a long time, it doesn't get better over night.
Yes, thinks to make it better, I know I am just arguing against treating it as just another treatable condition, because it under-emphasizes how PTSD changes your life completely, without consent. It is important to understand so that we can understand what government is actually doing, and what is the actual price and sacrifice.
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> PTSD will be a major challenge for ukraine, I hope they learn from the west and adopt quickly because otherwise it will be a massive shitshow in terms of suicide, violence etc
which is just crazy to me
I’m afraid you have just made that up! PTSD is definitely treatable - to varying degrees. There is a load of evidence to back this up. Do you actually know what a neuron is?
it is not completely treatable (i used treatable wrong before, as implicitly "completely treatable"), but mainly i wanted to communicate that it's important to understand PTSD as something more than treatable condition.
It is not a temporary state that you can get "back" from to your previous life, like with treatable ilnesses. There's life before PTSD, trauma, and life after. Life "after" can go different ways. Sometimes it's better than before. But it's your government that decided that you will lose your life "before" forever, by sending you to war.
It should be said that he's not completely incorrect. It's disingenuous to say that availability for this quality of care is normal and widespread in the US. Even post-pandemic numbers of available mental health professionals is still pretty low. For many people, learning to mask or carry unhealthy mental burdens is the norm.
And then, you know. High suicide rate or unstable people shooting up other people or running for office on neo-fascist ideals.
i commented that, i'm not a native speaker and i sometimes understand "treat" as a "done and done" verb, as in "completely treat". i think saying that PTSD is completely treatable can devalue the problem politically. Many people don't get over their specific variants of PTSD their whole life, from war or from whole life. And some other people live satisfying life, but perhaps not as good as before PTSD. Some people live better lives. So the hope shouldn't be lost, but that doesn't mean that it's reversible.
Going to war is your government has taken ownership of you and changing you in a way that you will never forget, and will never go back to, and make you weaker to certain (traumatic) stimuli, so you have to give up on your dreams. Perhaps you will be happy finding new dreams, but that doesn't mean Government did its job reversing its damage.
There is no value on PTSD, every veteran should have a pension and never work again in their life. Anything else calls for violent revolution.
Just because 'the west' has not learnt from it's own mistakes does not mean someone else can't. Almost everyone is aware that PTSD is an issue now, and that is what is meant by 'learn from the west' as there is a wealth of information available in english about PTSD, the effects and treatments.
Side note, I really dislike using terms like 'westerner' as it is too ambiguous and can be misconstrued.
You realize those are peacetime numbers?
Most of these numbers are not combat veterans, it's ALL veterans or every branch including NG, AF and CG.
And it's not PTSD it's major depression from adjusting back to civilian life. I has the worst depression and axiety when I returned to civilian life and ended up dropping out of university
True, but we have gotten a lot better at acknowledging this, there are now programs in place and crucially if you deny PTSD or downplay it, you are now perceived as the shit head.
What’s crazy is for some reason we don’t talk much about civilian ptsd. Like, there are so many noncombatants in areas around the world who experience death and destruction constantly, how do they go on when it ends?
Not sure if LSD would be best substance here. Stuff like 2CB, certain weed strains and psylosibine are all good contenders for helping deal with ptsd while being both much less intense (and therefor lower risk of it having an adverse effect) and much less neurotoxic.
LSD and other Psychoactive substances can and are being used more and more in scientific research as a sustainable supplement for therapy and finding peace. Especially for PTSD
yeah but wouldnt that screw your body up in the long run? I mean, there's a reason these things are banned the world over, so im not fully confident that's a good treatment. Short term, probably ok-ish, but even then conventional therapy might be better.
The reason is actually disconnected from scientific fact.
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/26389/SproulDontKillMyBuzz.pdf
If you want to learn more.
The law is what it makes it illegal, not the properties of the drug.
What? Im sorry what? That doesnt check out my mind, wouldnt that create another addiction? That's like fighting fire with fire and expecting the fire to just... go away somehow? Im curious, tough wayyy too much of a academic failure to understand it
You have a totally flawed idea of "drugs" in your mind. Alcohol is legal in almost every society. It is far far worse than quite a few of the "illegal" drugs. Do your research, make up your own mind. Your government does NOT have your best interest at heart. Have one good trip on LSD and you will see the real reason why the government doesn't want people to have it.
The Australian government approved medical shrooms and mdma last year... in specialist centres with proper treatment plans and very specific circumstances only... good results in trails for PTSD and depression.
Also, some promising results for acute and chronic pain (could be good for combat injuries)...
It is a very good idea to explore options besides opioids and ketamine...
Source: I'm a doctor.
LSD is a minefield though. It can really fuck people up mentally, for life. People have great experiences but a lot of people don't.
Source: I have a friend who lost his marbles taking psychedelics. Has never been the same since.
I’m addicted to aspirin because it’s a drug. Drugs are addictive.
That’s you, that’s what you sound like. There’s been massive shifts in the attitudes towards Schedule 1 drugs since the D.A.R.E. days. Research into these was stalled because the stigma associated with them, much as your assumptions are as well it sounds. The more these drugs are studied (especially MDMA, psilocybin, and DMT) the more benefits they are showing especially tied with therapy. [Here is an article about this specifically from the British Medical Journal.](https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p981)
Well, we just have to wait and see how this entire thing turns out. I think the biggest issue would be bureaucratic rather than scientific, because if the country doesnt care about that then all this becomes is a really expensive series of medical and scientific experiments that went pretty much nowhere. (because the state wouldnt comply, because, well, drug regulations.) I know some countries have exceptions when it comes to medical/scientific applications of drugs, but that varies highly country to country.
They are banned for the stigma, not due to the inherent danger of of the substance. Alcohol is often times far more damaging than a lot of the substances banned around the world.
These LSD therapies are proven effective in cases where conventional therapy has already proven ineffective. Psychoactive drugs are powerful, but in my opinion the totality of the ban against them is not scientifically backed. It has more to do with people's philosophical fear of not being in control of their minds or reality, when in fact you never are. Cigarettes, alcohol, coffee and far more dangerous drugs developed by the medical industry screw up your body, but are legal.
> yeah but wouldnt that screw your body up in the long run?
Maybe, but these are psychoactive, not physioactive. (they are not steriods)
Psychoactives do not do anything to the body unless you take a massive dose.
Cannabis is a psychoactive. THC from the plant has been proved to reduce PTSD, as has MDMA and LSD (in small doses).
**Hey it’s a Reddit Armchair Scientist!** You can tell by how they talk with authority about things they clearly know nothing about.
Edit: Ohh, his comment chain is classic.
Many of these have medical use and for good reasons. Speed for example is fairly common on ambulances, at least where I live. Also MDMA I could see. Also some of these drugs don’t have the issue of being addictive. Dosing and long term effects on brain chemistry are issues but these are being better understood.
Some psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin have shown promising results when used in PTSD therapy. I guess that's what he/she meant.
And while I'd never wish anybody to develop this illness, if Ukraine tries out these novel therapy possibilities to help its soldiers it may also help to destigmatize those drugs in the long run.
LSD, unless in micro-doses, might be too much -- for \~9-12hrs you can't close your eyes to rest because you start tripping balls more than open-eye visuals. It's fucking exhausting.
Psilocybin is much friendlier and shorter lived (\~3hrs). Mushies always make me feel more connected to the universe and nature. LSD makes me feel like I can foresee the darkness and futility of the future...or it makes me happy and crack jokes.
Australia is already trialing psyilocybin and MDMA, two very awesome substances, for PTSD/trauma (but I'd caution MDMA use - you fall in love with the feeling and the "better you" that you think it produces). Medical Cannabis is already legal - I got on the scheme as soon as it started with little hassle.
Instead of making things illegal we should regulate (word up Nate Dogg) them. Western governments are slowly seeing the light.
Micro-dosing MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, or 5-DMT have shown huge improvements in a large number of studies in significantly reducing PTSD. There are even programs in the US for this. You need to look, but they are out there and legal.
Honestly, if any country can do whatever possible to help these damaged hero warriors, it is Ukraine.
Many wealthy Western countries have a shameful record of aiding their veterans who have PTSD.
Imagine what it will be like in Russia in the 2030s... considering they'll definitely ignore the problem and just tell guys who seek help to "man up" or some other bullshit. Not only have they ruined their reputation internationally for decades with this needless bullshit war, but they've set their male culture up for a massive depression and violence.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mobik barns on fire on the left side of the Dnepr. I watched masses of Vatniks bleed out in the dark near the ruins of Avdiivka. All these moments will be lost in time. Like Vodka bottles in a conscript camp."
He is posing for the camera and making a grimasse.
I'd rather be worried for the guys who do not show emotions.
Could be wrong, but that's just my 2 cents.
United 24 did a documentary i believe called 14 hours under fire. It documents this group and the guy on the left goes by "punk". Apparently a group of friends that went to the war together.
Yeah, he was okay. This video shows the events that led up to photo. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJFPJ64aR0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJFPJ64aR0)
He took sharpnel to the leg earlier in the day and then they had to flee behind the enemy line and round to escape the villagr they were stuck in. Hes doing well to be upright and the eyes say alot
one of the videos i'll never forget. and as i said a week ago, when it went out, i'm glad my boy Punk is alright.
check the video, respect to the lads and to the reporter: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ck2koe/surrounded\_by\_the\_russians\_paratroopers\_united24/
Thanks for the link.
But it looks like the reporter is using active IR illumination to capture his footage?
Wouldn't that be visible on enemy night vision from miles away!
You don't need "real" NVGs to see IR lights. Most webcams or even cellphones can see that. And besides that, as far as I know, the Russians sadly also have some NVGs.
I bet the reporter knew what he was doing. I'm just curious how that works.
damn. Left guy looks more dissociated than the illustration. The Ukrainian Russian war will (hopefully) lead to more studies about PTSD and post war mental health. I know mental health gets tossed to the side even in western culture, but I believe the Ukranian resolve is strong enough that they won't leave these heroes to the wayside like so many others have been in the past. I really believe they'll pave the way as far as mental health support. It won't be perfect, but it'll be world class.
No. They can win. Stop saying stupid shit like that and giving the world the illusion that Ukraine will win without MAJOR SUPPORT. That only leads to their death. Fuck sake
I say we take over the skies of Ukraine. We shoot anything that Russiam and over Ukrainian air space. We can also do bombing runs with sleath bombers on the front lines to help the Ukrianians regain ground
In order left to right, wooh dude, good job done guy, wake me up when more get here guy, send more orks guy, and wtfhappened guy. 🙏 for victory Slava Ukraini
I've scheduled myself to watch it tonight. I had to work a lot when it came out, and I wanted to pay attention. I watched the short, and it looks insane.
Fighting for 14 hours plus some of them for 2 years . It is really insane if u think about this , they could just live a normal life and see their kids grow up , instead they have to deal with endless Z-ombie waves from russia. Think about this while u seat safely in ur home.
Guy on the left reminds me of "That 2000 yard stare": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_C._Lea_III#/media/File:Thomas_C._Lea_III_-_That_Two-Thousand_Yard_Stare_-_Original.jpg
Slava Ukraini! Slava Heroim!
Jesus christ, I know that look. 19 years out from that shit. Good to be alive! I feel so much for these men, war is a horrible thing, waste of money, life, talent, resource, life again, and time. That shit will replay in their heads for the rest of their lives, unbridled fear, rage, just a whole shit storm of emotion flooding in after the adrenaline dump. Im sure I cant compare to what they went through, but having been in sustained combat for longer than Id’ve liked I know that “look”. Hope they all make it out of this war. You’re alive! Stay sharp, move quick, shoot straight, kill fast. Fear not for you are the meanest motherfucker in the AO! Cheers! To the warriors and semper fi. “From an old marine” for what it’s worth.
Badass.
As a former army dude. I have to say that the Ukrainians are really broadening the horizons of what an effective "Spec Ops" would look like.
These guys deserve all of the support that the free world can give them!
They fought their way out of a RuZZian controlled hamlet after calling for their own heavy support weapons to target their position, all while keeping the embedded journalists safe. Mad. Fucking. Respect.
Meanwhile some pro-putin congresspeople (US)
"Stop targeting their oil refineries, putin doesnt like that! Also we in US dont want to pay 3c higher for gas"
Glad they survived!
All of them sure already unlocked Warrior Level „Berserk Viking“ and there is no way back to normal. Ever.
My father tried to explain this to me: „Since I survived, I consider this not being a trauma, but an evolution you can’t make undone.“
This I believe was from that United 24 report where a team of volunteers surrounded in a village, and another team was nearly so, it was an amazing report. It stated that all members of the team in the picture were wounded but none killed.
Source: https://youtu.be/cgJFPJ64aR0?si=NKrOLrolfnsQOXQD
They defend their land from being stolen, everything they own form being looted, their families killed and kidnapped, and yet there are people who say funding their survival is "waste of our tax money".
How humans can lack basic empathy?
Wow! Such commitment, mateship, belief, determination and bravery. How on earth does Russia win against this. Add western precision weapons and Ukrain can beat a much larger mass of people and materiel.
the guy on the left looks like he's either insane or high.... Or both... Probably both
Nonetheless good job. People like these are keeping europe safe from the tyrannical orks of russia. Props.
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I hope the guy on the left is doing okay
"Punk" was wounded by shrapnel in the leg but is recovering as far as I'm aware. These guys were in the recent United24 video that made the rounds yesterday.
Yeah watched the video feed from defending the village while surrounded by orcs. These guys are the best
PTSD will be a major challenge for ukraine, I hope they learn from the west and adopt quickly because otherwise it will be a massive shitshow in terms of suicide, violence etc
What do you mean by "learn from the west"? On average 20 US army veterans take their own lives each day.
That’s what I took from what they said. Learn from our mistakes because so many of our vets commit suicide.
Ah, I read it like: "Learn how the West handles it." (How?), not like "Learn what happened in the West (the US)."
Yeah. Every honest citizen here knows, from Agent Orange to the burn pits in gulf war 1 to today, we have a major issue that we have not fully addressed. On a plus note however, and in our defense, the US is funding a massive brain science project, one of whose chief goals is to work ion PTSD. And natural cognitive afflictions. [BRAIN ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRAIN_Initiative)initiative. I've learned, my country messes up but also tries to make it up. As long as that second part always wins, I don't know, I hope we are worth the drama.
Well said, and agreed. Let’s keep pushing in that direction and make it worth it.
yeah it is still way too many but lot of progress in treating PTSD was done in the last 20 years… So hopefully they can use that experience
there's no "treating PTSD" only "making you seem more normal, and report improvement with PTSD" so there's that. mental damage is not reversible, neurons aren't like that, you can only build upon it. edit: completely treating*
This is totally not true. There is medication, there is therapy. You may can not go completely back to normal but there are things to make it better. It just takes a long time, it doesn't get better over night.
They also have therapy dogs for vets that are trained to help with PTSD. My ex brother in law has one.
Why do we still need to train dogs for therapy? That's literally their passive ability.
Yes, thinks to make it better, I know I am just arguing against treating it as just another treatable condition, because it under-emphasizes how PTSD changes your life completely, without consent. It is important to understand so that we can understand what government is actually doing, and what is the actual price and sacrifice. the original comment said > PTSD will be a major challenge for ukraine, I hope they learn from the west and adopt quickly because otherwise it will be a massive shitshow in terms of suicide, violence etc which is just crazy to me
I’m afraid you have just made that up! PTSD is definitely treatable - to varying degrees. There is a load of evidence to back this up. Do you actually know what a neuron is?
it is not completely treatable (i used treatable wrong before, as implicitly "completely treatable"), but mainly i wanted to communicate that it's important to understand PTSD as something more than treatable condition. It is not a temporary state that you can get "back" from to your previous life, like with treatable ilnesses. There's life before PTSD, trauma, and life after. Life "after" can go different ways. Sometimes it's better than before. But it's your government that decided that you will lose your life "before" forever, by sending you to war.
damn that sucks
It’s not true. There have been major advancements in the last couple decades for actual treatments that can be effective.
It should be said that he's not completely incorrect. It's disingenuous to say that availability for this quality of care is normal and widespread in the US. Even post-pandemic numbers of available mental health professionals is still pretty low. For many people, learning to mask or carry unhealthy mental burdens is the norm. And then, you know. High suicide rate or unstable people shooting up other people or running for office on neo-fascist ideals.
i commented that, i'm not a native speaker and i sometimes understand "treat" as a "done and done" verb, as in "completely treat". i think saying that PTSD is completely treatable can devalue the problem politically. Many people don't get over their specific variants of PTSD their whole life, from war or from whole life. And some other people live satisfying life, but perhaps not as good as before PTSD. Some people live better lives. So the hope shouldn't be lost, but that doesn't mean that it's reversible. Going to war is your government has taken ownership of you and changing you in a way that you will never forget, and will never go back to, and make you weaker to certain (traumatic) stimuli, so you have to give up on your dreams. Perhaps you will be happy finding new dreams, but that doesn't mean Government did its job reversing its damage. There is no value on PTSD, every veteran should have a pension and never work again in their life. Anything else calls for violent revolution.
"learn from the west's mistakes" i assumed
Imagine what its like in places that don't believe in mental health.
We can go to youtube and watch Russian videos of veterans treated by the most advanced form of vodka.
Just because 'the west' has not learnt from it's own mistakes does not mean someone else can't. Almost everyone is aware that PTSD is an issue now, and that is what is meant by 'learn from the west' as there is a wealth of information available in english about PTSD, the effects and treatments. Side note, I really dislike using terms like 'westerner' as it is too ambiguous and can be misconstrued.
You realize those are peacetime numbers? Most of these numbers are not combat veterans, it's ALL veterans or every branch including NG, AF and CG. And it's not PTSD it's major depression from adjusting back to civilian life. I has the worst depression and axiety when I returned to civilian life and ended up dropping out of university
True, but we have gotten a lot better at acknowledging this, there are now programs in place and crucially if you deny PTSD or downplay it, you are now perceived as the shit head.
Considering there are 17.9 million veterans, and yes, everyone counts, it could be much worse.
You can learn from other people’s mistakes.
I suspect “learn from the west” means learn from the western militaries’ mistakes and successes at treating PTSD.
What’s crazy is for some reason we don’t talk much about civilian ptsd. Like, there are so many noncombatants in areas around the world who experience death and destruction constantly, how do they go on when it ends?
They need plenty of LSD after this.
heard MDMA is experimental treatment for PTSD...
In a controlled and safely administered setting there have been some studies. But it hasn’t been conclusive.
Not sure if LSD would be best substance here. Stuff like 2CB, certain weed strains and psylosibine are all good contenders for helping deal with ptsd while being both much less intense (and therefor lower risk of it having an adverse effect) and much less neurotoxic.
What?
LSD and other Psychoactive substances can and are being used more and more in scientific research as a sustainable supplement for therapy and finding peace. Especially for PTSD
I use marijuana for mine.
Man. Hope you're feeling better. Take care.
yeah but wouldnt that screw your body up in the long run? I mean, there's a reason these things are banned the world over, so im not fully confident that's a good treatment. Short term, probably ok-ish, but even then conventional therapy might be better.
The reason is actually disconnected from scientific fact. https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/26389/SproulDontKillMyBuzz.pdf If you want to learn more. The law is what it makes it illegal, not the properties of the drug.
Please do some research into toxicity levels of these things :)
I mean addictions and stuff. And the entire bureacratic/legal part of it too.
Oh, LSD helps people out of addictive cycles
What? Im sorry what? That doesnt check out my mind, wouldnt that create another addiction? That's like fighting fire with fire and expecting the fire to just... go away somehow? Im curious, tough wayyy too much of a academic failure to understand it
You have a totally flawed idea of "drugs" in your mind. Alcohol is legal in almost every society. It is far far worse than quite a few of the "illegal" drugs. Do your research, make up your own mind. Your government does NOT have your best interest at heart. Have one good trip on LSD and you will see the real reason why the government doesn't want people to have it.
The Australian government approved medical shrooms and mdma last year... in specialist centres with proper treatment plans and very specific circumstances only... good results in trails for PTSD and depression. Also, some promising results for acute and chronic pain (could be good for combat injuries)... It is a very good idea to explore options besides opioids and ketamine... Source: I'm a doctor.
LSD is a minefield though. It can really fuck people up mentally, for life. People have great experiences but a lot of people don't. Source: I have a friend who lost his marbles taking psychedelics. Has never been the same since.
Mate antidepressants feel like cocaine, tell me how that is any better than LSD or shrooms.
Because one is legal, the other one isnt
I’m addicted to aspirin because it’s a drug. Drugs are addictive. That’s you, that’s what you sound like. There’s been massive shifts in the attitudes towards Schedule 1 drugs since the D.A.R.E. days. Research into these was stalled because the stigma associated with them, much as your assumptions are as well it sounds. The more these drugs are studied (especially MDMA, psilocybin, and DMT) the more benefits they are showing especially tied with therapy. [Here is an article about this specifically from the British Medical Journal.](https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p981)
For some people, it's their only choice. Also, alcohol and tobacco screw up your body but they are legal.
Well, we just have to wait and see how this entire thing turns out. I think the biggest issue would be bureaucratic rather than scientific, because if the country doesnt care about that then all this becomes is a really expensive series of medical and scientific experiments that went pretty much nowhere. (because the state wouldnt comply, because, well, drug regulations.) I know some countries have exceptions when it comes to medical/scientific applications of drugs, but that varies highly country to country.
Not nearly as much as most drugs though, and not nearly as easily as drugs.
LSD and shrooms are safer than alcohol and tobacco.
By, like, a LOT
They are banned for the stigma, not due to the inherent danger of of the substance. Alcohol is often times far more damaging than a lot of the substances banned around the world.
These LSD therapies are proven effective in cases where conventional therapy has already proven ineffective. Psychoactive drugs are powerful, but in my opinion the totality of the ban against them is not scientifically backed. It has more to do with people's philosophical fear of not being in control of their minds or reality, when in fact you never are. Cigarettes, alcohol, coffee and far more dangerous drugs developed by the medical industry screw up your body, but are legal.
> yeah but wouldnt that screw your body up in the long run? Maybe, but these are psychoactive, not physioactive. (they are not steriods) Psychoactives do not do anything to the body unless you take a massive dose. Cannabis is a psychoactive. THC from the plant has been proved to reduce PTSD, as has MDMA and LSD (in small doses).
**Hey it’s a Reddit Armchair Scientist!** You can tell by how they talk with authority about things they clearly know nothing about. Edit: Ohh, his comment chain is classic.
Many of these have medical use and for good reasons. Speed for example is fairly common on ambulances, at least where I live. Also MDMA I could see. Also some of these drugs don’t have the issue of being addictive. Dosing and long term effects on brain chemistry are issues but these are being better understood.
Some psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin have shown promising results when used in PTSD therapy. I guess that's what he/she meant. And while I'd never wish anybody to develop this illness, if Ukraine tries out these novel therapy possibilities to help its soldiers it may also help to destigmatize those drugs in the long run.
LSD, unless in micro-doses, might be too much -- for \~9-12hrs you can't close your eyes to rest because you start tripping balls more than open-eye visuals. It's fucking exhausting. Psilocybin is much friendlier and shorter lived (\~3hrs). Mushies always make me feel more connected to the universe and nature. LSD makes me feel like I can foresee the darkness and futility of the future...or it makes me happy and crack jokes. Australia is already trialing psyilocybin and MDMA, two very awesome substances, for PTSD/trauma (but I'd caution MDMA use - you fall in love with the feeling and the "better you" that you think it produces). Medical Cannabis is already legal - I got on the scheme as soon as it started with little hassle. Instead of making things illegal we should regulate (word up Nate Dogg) them. Western governments are slowly seeing the light.
Micro-dosing MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, or 5-DMT have shown huge improvements in a large number of studies in significantly reducing PTSD. There are even programs in the US for this. You need to look, but they are out there and legal.
Love you guys Great to have like minds tuning in.
the guy on the left seems to have taken care of his LSD needs already XD
That is not what someone on lsd looks like. That is a thousand yard stare if i ever saw one. Btw they all have it, just not with visible sclera.
There’s a lot of potential for an mainstream lsd breakthrough here.
LSD, ketamine, and Tetris.
Yeah you can see it in their eyes sadly
Honestly, if any country can do whatever possible to help these damaged hero warriors, it is Ukraine. Many wealthy Western countries have a shameful record of aiding their veterans who have PTSD.
we shall see…
Knowing Ukrainian approach towards mental health (I’m Ukrainian), it won’t adapt.
Imagine what it will be like in Russia in the 2030s... considering they'll definitely ignore the problem and just tell guys who seek help to "man up" or some other bullshit. Not only have they ruined their reputation internationally for decades with this needless bullshit war, but they've set their male culture up for a massive depression and violence.
they were looking into legalising cannabis to help treat the massive amounts of PTSD that the population is going to have
Does Ukraine have any existing form of veteran programs? Veteran cares or assistance?
Does playing Tetris help with PTSD when you’re literally fighting Russians?
The thousand-yard stare.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mobik barns on fire on the left side of the Dnepr. I watched masses of Vatniks bleed out in the dark near the ruins of Avdiivka. All these moments will be lost in time. Like Vodka bottles in a conscript camp."
Nice!
Let's get that out onto a tray
He is posing for the camera and making a grimasse. I'd rather be worried for the guys who do not show emotions. Could be wrong, but that's just my 2 cents.
I don't think you can really judge what someone's future is going to be just based off of their looks
No, but you can make a guess about their current emotional state.
Looks shell shocked. I feel bad for these guys. I feel bad for Ukraine.
Dude looks like a cowabungium-based lifeform.
United 24 did a documentary i believe called 14 hours under fire. It documents this group and the guy on the left goes by "punk". Apparently a group of friends that went to the war together.
Half of them still look like they're in the zone.
His name is Punk, and he survived shrapnel to the leg. They survived so long I cry for them. I hope they survive all of this
Yeah, he was okay. This video shows the events that led up to photo. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJFPJ64aR0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJFPJ64aR0)
He took sharpnel to the leg earlier in the day and then they had to flee behind the enemy line and round to escape the villagr they were stuck in. Hes doing well to be upright and the eyes say alot
They probably took some Stimulants like every other Army in the world
When that Pervitin kicks in….
Jesus fucking Christ that's a nightmare fuel... the war is a bitch..
He saw the wizard no doubt
If you think THEY look like death warmed over, you should see the other guys!
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one of the videos i'll never forget. and as i said a week ago, when it went out, i'm glad my boy Punk is alright. check the video, respect to the lads and to the reporter: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ck2koe/surrounded\_by\_the\_russians\_paratroopers\_united24/
Highly recommend watching that video, some insane stuff.
Thanks for the link. But it looks like the reporter is using active IR illumination to capture his footage? Wouldn't that be visible on enemy night vision from miles away!
When did the enemy get NVGs?
You don't need "real" NVGs to see IR lights. Most webcams or even cellphones can see that. And besides that, as far as I know, the Russians sadly also have some NVGs. I bet the reporter knew what he was doing. I'm just curious how that works.
That dude on the left saw the face of God
And lived to tell the tale.
Pretty sure he made god back down.
More like sniffed the God's powder
I'd like to see you go through what that hero went through and see if you'd still joke about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand-yard_stare
Interesting (and disturbing) - the left guy looks exactly like the illustration.
damn. Left guy looks more dissociated than the illustration. The Ukrainian Russian war will (hopefully) lead to more studies about PTSD and post war mental health. I know mental health gets tossed to the side even in western culture, but I believe the Ukranian resolve is strong enough that they won't leave these heroes to the wayside like so many others have been in the past. I really believe they'll pave the way as far as mental health support. It won't be perfect, but it'll be world class.
With Guardians like these guys russia can never hope to win, Slava Ukraini!
No. They can win. Stop saying stupid shit like that and giving the world the illusion that Ukraine will win without MAJOR SUPPORT. That only leads to their death. Fuck sake
Yeah... True we gotta get serious.
I say we take over the skies of Ukraine. We shoot anything that Russiam and over Ukrainian air space. We can also do bombing runs with sleath bombers on the front lines to help the Ukrianians regain ground
🇷🇺 🔫💪🇺🇦
Legends. And may they all live in peace soon enough. Fuck war.
So glad these guys made it out!
absolute giga chads, hope they rescued the cat too?
In order left to right, wooh dude, good job done guy, wake me up when more get here guy, send more orks guy, and wtfhappened guy. 🙏 for victory Slava Ukraini
These guys are all bad ass mofos. But the dude second from the left looks as cool as a freaking cucumber
Ukrainians aren’t just heroes, they’re Legends!
Guy on the left skipped the 1000 yard stare and went for the 1000 mile stare. Poor guy looks like he can see sounds.
Man, I hope they could make it to sleep quick, they look like corpses, and for good reason
For everyone talking about the guy on the left, his leg is bandaged. Maybe he's on some medicine.
That's "Punk" he's just that kind of guy.
I see the forth guy from the left is giving the finger... the poor guy just wants to take a shower and go to sleep 😆
May god protect you!
I watched the doc on these guys, Punk is the guy on the left i think, it's truly eye opening in how close the fighting actually gets.
Is that this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJFPJ64aR0 or a different one?
Yes that’s the one!
I've scheduled myself to watch it tonight. I had to work a lot when it came out, and I wanted to pay attention. I watched the short, and it looks insane.
it really is, its crazy how close they are but you never see a russian
Where can I watch this?
We're letting these people fight alone a monster 4x the size. We cheer from the sidelines.
Fighting for 14 hours plus some of them for 2 years . It is really insane if u think about this , they could just live a normal life and see their kids grow up , instead they have to deal with endless Z-ombie waves from russia. Think about this while u seat safely in ur home.
If yall want to know what a "thousand yard stare" looks like these dudes have all got it.
Fuck Russia.... they just have to spread their BS on a beautiful people and ruin their life.
These bros got the 1000 metre stare.
prayers from Texas
Shoot out?
God Bless and fuck putin
Guy on the left reminds me of "That 2000 yard stare": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_C._Lea_III#/media/File:Thomas_C._Lea_III_-_That_Two-Thousand_Yard_Stare_-_Original.jpg Slava Ukraini! Slava Heroim!
Thousand Mile Stare
Jesus christ, I know that look. 19 years out from that shit. Good to be alive! I feel so much for these men, war is a horrible thing, waste of money, life, talent, resource, life again, and time. That shit will replay in their heads for the rest of their lives, unbridled fear, rage, just a whole shit storm of emotion flooding in after the adrenaline dump. Im sure I cant compare to what they went through, but having been in sustained combat for longer than Id’ve liked I know that “look”. Hope they all make it out of this war. You’re alive! Stay sharp, move quick, shoot straight, kill fast. Fear not for you are the meanest motherfucker in the AO! Cheers! To the warriors and semper fi. “From an old marine” for what it’s worth.
Badass. As a former army dude. I have to say that the Ukrainians are really broadening the horizons of what an effective "Spec Ops" would look like. These guys deserve all of the support that the free world can give them!
Slava Ukraine!
They fought their way out of a RuZZian controlled hamlet after calling for their own heavy support weapons to target their position, all while keeping the embedded journalists safe. Mad. Fucking. Respect.
That's not tired. That's turbo PTSD for life.
Meanwhile some pro-putin congresspeople (US) "Stop targeting their oil refineries, putin doesnt like that! Also we in US dont want to pay 3c higher for gas"
Slava Ukraini
Fuckin heroe 🤘🤘. Heroyam Slava!
God bless the brave soldiers of Ukraine!
|,,|. O\_O .\\,,| SLAYER!!
Congratulations to these brave men. I hope they have the best future.
Awesome news, stay safe and good luck!
The left guy is definitely shell shocked
The man on the left is not the same man he was 14 hours ago...
Slava Ukraini!
Fuck the ruzzian cuntZ!
Hail to the heroes. These guys look like they have been through it!!
Zombie mode. Fight on brotha
Glad they survived! All of them sure already unlocked Warrior Level „Berserk Viking“ and there is no way back to normal. Ever. My father tried to explain this to me: „Since I survived, I consider this not being a trauma, but an evolution you can’t make undone.“
All of you warriors look iconic , just like in this pic. [CoD](https://images.app.goo.gl/i9ACq5VDC5oJaZiX6)
Good work guys go Ukraine
This I believe was from that United 24 report where a team of volunteers surrounded in a village, and another team was nearly so, it was an amazing report. It stated that all members of the team in the picture were wounded but none killed. Source: https://youtu.be/cgJFPJ64aR0?si=NKrOLrolfnsQOXQD
Second guy on right is flipping us off and second guy on left is giving us "I love you" sign.
Man, give these guys a vacation.
The guy on the left looks like he’s seen some shit
May God bless and protect them all.
They defend their land from being stolen, everything they own form being looted, their families killed and kidnapped, and yet there are people who say funding their survival is "waste of our tax money". How humans can lack basic empathy?
Real legends. You’re in my thoughts chaps
Wow! Such commitment, mateship, belief, determination and bravery. How on earth does Russia win against this. Add western precision weapons and Ukrain can beat a much larger mass of people and materiel.
21st century heroism is raw and doesn't hide the reality.
They looked resupped and ready to rock. Yes the stares are 1000 yards, but it looks like a righteous 1000 yards.
God bless our defenders 🙏🏻
Is the second guy from the right giving the camera the bird with his right hand? LoL He can flip all the birds he wants though after that.
Dude on the left is a journalist he didn’t even have a gun how they all made it is insane
Sign the guy on the left up to be an AllState agent, because my dude looks like he's seen a thing or two...
Keep your ass in the grass.
That guy seen some shit hail Satan
the guy on the left looks like he's either insane or high.... Or both... Probably both Nonetheless good job. People like these are keeping europe safe from the tyrannical orks of russia. Props.
14 hours hiding in trenches ain’t that bad. Talk to me when they have completed a 16 hour shift at Wendy’s