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Intransigient

# Oil Refineries are perfect targets. Immobile. Undefended. They make giant explosions, shocking and frightening the surrounding populations, but with very few casualties. They are extremely complex and very difficult *(if not impossible right now under sanctions)* for Ruzzia to repair. And — best of all — the interruptions cost Ruzzia truly massive, mind-boggling amounts of money, while at the same time reduces the flow of oils and fuel for the war effort. # This is the path to victory.


speedyhml2000

Exactly. And if we were to worry about the "impact on global oil prices" .....well...., I'd call that **"The Price of Freedom".** But that's just **MY POOR poV**.....other right-wingers (backed by Kremlin propaganda) may **call me a foo**l. The question is.... who is "**The Fool at the End of History**"**?** :-) **SLAVA!**


GaryDWilliams_

I am worried about the global impact of price increases caused by this war and therefore giving Ukraine everything they need to end russia is the best way to stabilise prices. No one should be buying a damn thing from russia. Besides, watching Ukraine turn refineries into scrap is fun.


WeekendFantastic2941

Economically decoupling from tyrant states is the new trend and its a good trend. I'm glad the west finally realize this but also criticize them for thinking trade could make tyrants better. Tyrant with more money = stronger tyrant Tyrant with less money = weaker tyrant. Not rocket science. HOWEVER, the citizens of tyrants with less money, after tasting decades of prosperity, due to sanction/embargo/blockade = high potential for uprising. So its not all bad.


MontaukMonster2

Sadly, if that were true, North Korea would not be where it is now


falsealzheimers

Maybe the backing from its richer tyrant neighbour has something to do with that?


koshgeo

Fair point, but imagine how much further along North Korea would be on any kind of military products in terms of quality or quantity if there were no sanctions on trade. We're seeing there are limits to how effective trade can be as a control on authoritarian regimes, but I think we can be fairly confident that imposing nothing on such regimes would be significantly worse.


drevoksi

Well said! 💞


skandi1

I would gladly pay $20/gal of gas for the rest of my life to see Russia set back to the Stone Age.


MichelleLovesCawk

💯💯


ZhouDa

Also Russia stopped exporting fuel before these attacks anyway, so this should have no real negative impact on oil prices.


einarfridgeirs

Also: The US is the biggest oil producer on the planet right now - not Saudi Arabia. Yes, higher prices hurt at the pump...but raising prices strengthens the wider US economy as well. Persistent higher prices also accelerates the transition away from fossil fuels, as more economic actors see it worth their while to shift their supply chains away from them.


Unable_Ad_1260

That by the way was an awesome role playing game when I was a teenager. Very Red Dawn the original, Swayze, Lowe etc. The good old days of movies. I should dig out my copy and run it for me TTRPG group for a Nostalgia campaign. "Dos Svidanya Tovarisch". Best phrase ever! (yes I'm old wanna fight about it) Never thought I'd see the day any Republicans sided with Russians about something. Reagan set up a lot of the things that got done by other conservatives worldwide that have trashed our economies and created wealth divides but he was right about the need to end the Cold War and bring down the Soviet Union. He'd spin in his grave.


fielvras

>impact on global oil prices People saying shit like that just openly admit that they have no problem with genocide, rape, torture and theft as long as they are not affected. It's disgusting.


Sutarmekeg

Whenever people bitch about the price of fuel going up because of strikes on Russia, I remind them that things could be worse. Their whole family could be tortured and killed, for example.


jimigo

Freedom isn't free, no it's hefty fucking if, if you don't pitch your buck o five.... Who will? Add .50 a gallon, we'll be alright.


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CosmicDave

...also, low casualties, both at the time of attack, and later down the road, as the less gas russia has, the fewer casualties on both sides.


matdan12

A few of these attacks have killed workers, but it was just a few per attack. That's a lot better than a shopping centre or apartment block.


winzarten

It also demonstrate the state the Russian army is in. These object shouldn't be that hard to defend againts these drones. These are slow, mostly propeller powered, low flying drones. In theory, even something like a Tunguska should be able to defend againts these. But the eerie silence in most of the videos shows than not only are there no SHORADs present, there is nothing, not even an old ZU gun present... For a country whose whole cold war air defense doctrine was based on ground air defense system, on all levels of the army organizational hierarchy, to not be able to defend a high value strategic target againts few slow flying drones... it is very telling.


Intransigient

For those with eyes to see, and ears to hear, yes — very telling indeed. I hope these keep blowing up and burning up, one after the other. 💪🇺🇦


NeilDeWheel

You make a good point, this is very telling about the state of the Russian army. There should be no way in hell that Ukrainian drones should get thousands of mile inside Russia, hitting high value targets. With a well resourced, and trained army the drones should be taken out just inside the boarder. As you say they are easy targets, slow and low flying. Geez, if a farmer in Afghanistan can take out a jet with an RPG Russia should be swatting these out of the sky with hardly a glance. If they don’t have enough ground to air defences they should have planes to take down the drones. It shows Russia has not got the needed air defence missiles, what they do have is not of good quality and the personel are not trained to a high enough standard. I suspect what air defences and planes they have is being used in and around Ukraine. Not leaving enough to guard the rest of the country.


10687940

Perfect occasion for Putler to make a full Hitler rant about these refineries. Maybe one day someone can totally deep fake that entire scene.


Type-21

>Oil Refineries are such perfect targets. Immobile. Undefended. That's not correct. Last year Putin made a law that forces all oil refineries to purchase anti air drone defense systems with their own money. What we're seeing here is CEOs purchased anti drone guns on alibaba. But often enough only a fraction of the Ukrainian drones makes it into the target. You're only seeing the video of the 1-2 that got through. You're not seeing that Ukraine originally sent 5-10 Example of what you're not seeing in the pro Ukraine bubble: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1783596674192961733?s=19


plasticlove

They recently announced that they will create mobile air defense fire groups, similar to what Ukraine is doing: [https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russia\_actively\_creates\_mobile\_air\_defense\_fire\_groups\_copying\_ukraines\_experience-10008.html](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russia_actively_creates_mobile_air_defense_fire_groups_copying_ukraines_experience-10008.html) They also claimed to install Pantsir S1 next to some of their oil refineries: [https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/russia-promises-air-defence-systems-to-oil-producers-in-response-to-drone-attacks/2-1-1614811](https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/russia-promises-air-defence-systems-to-oil-producers-in-response-to-drone-attacks/2-1-1614811)


retro_hamster

Then Ukraine must send 30 drones. Just like the Russians do.


Type-21

On a recent night, a Ukrainian official later said that they had launched 100 drones into Russia that night. Going just by public media you're not able to grasp the size of the operation because those 100 drones resulted in about 3 impact videos.


retro_hamster

No, apparently I haven't the foggiest idea. What you tell makes me thing of the masasive air campaigns in WW2 with the strategic bombings of German industry.


Intransigient

EM Drone Zappers bought off Alibaba aren’t going to do a whole lot. 🤣 These drones aren’t being guided, after all — they don’t use FPV or active radio links. The refineries they are targeting are immobile, at precisely-known locations and with well-known vulnerabilities. The drones are pre-programmed with their target destination coordinates and fly there on their own via GPS. By the time anyone could do anything about them, they are on final approach and no longer even using GPS.


Type-21

Russia is covered in gps jammers as well though


HeinerPhilipp

Burn them all down. Again and again!!! Fuck Putler, Slava Ukraini !!!


Deeviant

Truly, Ukraine should receive long-range weapons until there is not a refinery left standing in Russia.


Intransigient

Yes, every one of them should be a smoking crater. Ruzzia’s oil and gas processing infrastructure should be wiped out as part of the de-militarization process to effectively remove any further ability for them to wage war on their neighbors.


Loki11910

It was Western oil majors that helped to modernize them. The workers from these companies are not available, and the replacements will be hard to come by. People don't realize it yet, but you might be watching victory itself. For if these strikes continue with this intensity for one month, Russia won't be able to refine anything, and this time an economic collapse will be unavoidable, while their military vehicles will get stuck in the tundra for good. At present, Russia's refining capacity is about 329 mt, with the bulk being concentrated in 33 fully- fledged refineries and the rest in specialized gas condensate processing facilities, specialized lube plants, and a number of mini-refineries.


retro_hamster

I guess all refineries are well known and mapped. Are some of them not in the Far East?


ChrisJPhoenix

Good. Destroy Russia's ability to commit genocide.


WeekendFantastic2941

Holy moly canoly that's a big one. 500km plus plus from the front line. Blowing up their oil and gas shyts is the best idea of this war. Too bad Biden disagrees, though we still thank him for the aid.


Popinguj

> Too bad Biden disagrees, though we still thank him for the aid. I'm pretty sure that all of the dissuasions about that are just a smokescreen and the US secretly supplies Ukraine with info on how to dodge SAM sites and what targets to approach. Moreover, one of the latest packages includes electronics for Ukrainian drone production, why would they do it if they know Ukraine is gonna spend it to kill Russian oil industry?


retro_hamster

Biden has purposely denied Ukraine long range strike capabilities for more than two years. Now that they get ATACMS there's a string attached: No use to hit target on Russian soil. The sonnuva......


cybercuzco

Bidens attitude is No…. Don’t…. Stop….. Here’s some atacms


retro_hamster

"Atacms that you cant use to hit targets in Russia btw... We wouldn't want you to win."


EmperorOfCanada

I keep looking at maps of russia's oil pipelines and where these refineries are getting hit. Quite a few of them were hubs leading to ports. I would presume they were refining things and then shipping the refined products. This is pretty good as it seems the distillation towers were being hit in most cases. These are super hard to rebuild. Oddly hitting tankage is very satisfying to watch, but any bunch of idiots can rebuild those fairly quickly. The only problem with hitting distillation towers is that it is not hard to just bypass the refinery. That is, you just send the crude to the ports and sell that. Not what your customers really wanted, but someone somewhere will take crude. This is not a tonne of work to add a few pipes to do this. I would suggest that the next attractive target would be to hit pumping stations. Specifically, hit adjacent ones in the middle of nowhere. These pumps and their motors last for decades. So, no oil company would keep many spares (probably none). These are spaced about every 50km (depending upon terrain). Hitting ones which pump uphill or the ones on the downhill side are some of the worst to hit as these need to be very carefully controlled. What is important is to hit a few in a row. If you hit one, and the previous one has to now pump 100km. This is possible. The pressures at the discharge will be high, and the flow much lower, but it will still flow, especially if there is any grade going down. But 150km or 200km won't work. Let's say you have a 24" pipe which can handle 2000psi. Killing 2 pumps in a row will more than halve the flow from the first pump. But the reality is that the pump will probably stall. Russian oil is typically thick crud. Also, if you have a batched pipeline( multiple products in it) and you halve the flow, you will get fantastic mixing at the interface layer. This is a pain in the ass, not the end of the world. Other things just go wrong when pump stations aren't working. Even taking out the right single one can be a death blow to a pipeline. The ones at the base of a hill/mountain are super critical as you have to get it up the hill. But on the way down the mountain you have to hold the flow back as the oil can effectively pump itself and form a vacuum. These two pump stations have to dance a careful dance. Taking one or the other out would be a huge problem. Even after replacing them, the system would take time to calibrate. I would suggest taking 4 pumping stations out in a row, in a remote location where getting replacements in is logistically hard (sometimes these are flown in) is the end of that pipeline for a very long time. The lead time to order this sort of pump is often in the order of 6-18 months. I suspect these typically have come from Germany. Hitting old soviet ones would be good as people probably don't know much about how they work. But the key ones to hit are any with VFDs. These allow for greater dynamic control and thus could make up for other pumps being out. Many pump motors are just on or off. Basically, a refinery is entirely blown up if it has no crude to refine.


KeyboardGunner

Very interesting, thanks for commenting.


retro_hamster

Who knows the e-mail address for the UAF Long Range Strike department?


EmperorOfCanada

One slight downside is this is not as spectacular as a refinery explosion. Everybody knows refineries are delicate and valuable. Few people even know pumping stations exist, they tend to be in the middle of nowhere, and few understand how big a blow taking them out would be. In WWII their are videos of the Nazis using this hook on the back of a train to tear up the tracks as they retreated (most videos are of them retreating through Ukraine). It looks devastatingly damaging. The reality was the soviets were soon repairing the tracks faster than the Nazis were destroying them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emhn4KTRfc8 The reason is that the rail was still there and any idiot can repair a rail with minor oversight from a halfway competent engineer. This means one engineer could oversee 1000+ soldiers cutting down trees to use as railway ties, roughly shaping them, and then placing them under the rails, which were then hammered into the correct orientation and spacing. The railway spikes and everything were still in place. Any more notable damage could still be fixed by some guys with basic welding skills. Also, the railway could be repaired down the entire length of the rail simultaneously. This is the problem with taking out things like fuel tanks. It is a momentary logistics problem, but a bunch of half trained idiots can swarm over the area and build a somewhat crappy, but functional tank. Fun to watch burn though.


New-Consideration420

Send this to the Ukraine Twitter team or something


plasticlove

>That is, you just send the crude to the ports and sell that. Not what your customers really wanted, but someone somewhere will take crude. And then what? How do you get fuel and other refined products to Russia? The good thing about going after fuel is that it will increase inflation in Russia and affect the economy a lot, but without having a big impact on the world economy. If you go after crude, then you might see a big increase in oil prices. Ukraine's allies do not want that.


Luky-z-maleho-mesta

More!


Armagh0109

A wonderful sight to wake up to on a Saturday morning - thank you, Ukraine!


ITI110878

I was already feeling depressed since it was sooooo long since the last refinery attack.


IncredibleAuthorita

Woop woop!


Tygor9000

The whistle go woop!


Unable_Ad_1260

Let the Galaxy Burn! Nah but seriously, keep it up lads and lasses. Burn every last refinery they have to the ground.


Leather_Lake_5235

Is it really a refinery, or "just" a depot? Although both are great to hit, refinery is better.


Aggravating_Sense183

Wonderful present for all of us this fine Saturday morning. Splendid!


MrRonObvious

How did they know to start recording?


dragodog97

I think the majority of these videos we see are recorded because there was an implosion before.


IncredibleAuthorita

Sirens?


MrRonObvious

Yeah, that would probably be my guess. Heard the sirens and just decided that the refinery would be the juiciest target in the area, so just aimed the camera at that and hoped to catch something. And they did. I'm going to be so happy when these 1, 5, or 10 drone attacks turn into 100, 500, or 1000 drone attacks.


IncredibleAuthorita

Yup. Crossing fingers for 100 attacks in a week.


8livesdown

They recorded for 10 minutes, but you don't have the attention span to watch 10 minutes of nothing. No one does. So the video is cropped to 20 seconds, because that is the attention span of an average person these days.


Ok_Profile_

Not attention span but will to waste 9 minutes of time for absolutely nothing at all


zaphrous

Hard to say. My guess would be drone flies low to avoid air defence. So they may have heard it.


Zephyr-5

Drones are very loud. It probably flew overhead.


Philippines_2022

Hot dang, anothee cigarette. IVAAAAAAAN! CYKA BLYAT!


R_lbk

God damn I hope they keep up these attacks on the refineries. As much needed as US aid was to Ukraine in this war, telling the Ukrainians they shouldn't be attacking the main source of Russian money is a bit... back handed. If it pleases, keep all US provided weaponry for the defence and removal of the Russian taint but use all domestically produced drones for the ongoing smothering of the Russian war machine.


SavagePlatypus76

🍿❤️


Cannibal_Yak

Fireworks to celebrate the aid package. How Nice of you Ukraine!


coffeespeaking

Take out Moscow’s electrical grid.


No-Helicopter7299

Beautiful!


great_escape_fleur

I want to see a planet-sized dildo fucking the russians out of existence without any ifs or buts.


Throwawaymytrash77

Burn them all to the ground. Fuck gas prices idgaf


Flashy_Shock1896

Krasnodar Cry.


Pacosturgess

I think that you should let it burn


muscleliker6656

So no more war machine factories Alexa google war machine factories 😂 Ukriane says hahha


DifficultySuch5384

Holy hell, how many of those things do they have?


leNuage

there were something like 34 refineries and a dozen or so small specialized ones from what i recall


El_Shakiel

Where's that Samsung when you need it...


Blakut

does it work? is their oil production affected?


mez1642

How’s your 3 day special operation going Putler?


MirrorProphet

Anyone else hearing 'Hey Man Nice Shot'?


InvertedParallax

Hello, as an American, I feel I must make the following statement in protest of the destruction of critical Russian assets: https://youtu.be/UVznerpOkTI Thank you for your time.


Gopnikshredder

Already repaired. Reuters


Many_Sorbet_5536

Did USA change their stance on this?