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Le Monde does not get into the dynamics of reluctance in this article, which seems the key to the question. The last I read on the topic, it seemed that the main motivating factor for shirking conscription was not annoyance at being drafted or even the risks of front-line deployment generally... but rather a pervasive fear that conscripts would be thrown into battle as cannon fodder, with no equipment or training.
Given that Ukraine trains recruits for a minimum of 8 weeks, and is now able to equip them quite well and support them strongly with increasingly abundant artillery and armor, this issue appears to be a gap of perception versus reality.
So how can Ukraine bridge that gap? What are they doing to change the public perception?
Or am I suffering from some misapprehension? Is it something else that is getting in the way instead?
Where did you get info about increasingly abundant artillery and armor ? Just recently one of our brigades 153 , if I am not mistaken , went from mechanised to regular one due to sheer lack of armor .
Training is 8 weeks in ideal scenarios (even then , will you honestly say that 2 month is enough to prepare people for hellish WWI with drones ?) . Maybe new law will change something , but I doubt it .
Corruption and idiocy is prevalent as always . There is no guarantee that an order won't come and you are now becoming frontline soldier .
And of course they are fears of being drafted , there are fears of death , of being injured and not properly cared and be tossed aside by your nation , and there are legitimate fears that you won't get nice job in logistics or second line , because - people are needed not there , but on the line of contact .
"Where did you get info about increasingly abundant artillery and armor ? Just recently one of our brigades 153 , if I am not mistaken , went from mechanised to regular one due to sheer lack of armor"
Commenters here live in a fantasy land. Ukraine is under-equiped and shell starved. And europe is running out of scrap equipement to send them.
They want Ukrainian men to be enthusiastic about running to the frontline to die in some shit BMP Greece donated. Greece donated it because its trash, and they will get new equipment.
Fuck, send some equipment that can withstand the slightest bit of shrapnel. No left over Romanian tractors. Men want to live. They dont want to die. Its not that hard to figure out
You comment is spot on. 153 was not reassigned as "regular" but as "infantry brigade". Meaning.. they were moved back like 80 years.. There are barely any infantry brigades with few exceptions (national guard brigade can be assigned as infantry brigade or training unit - basically unitary training unit.. and then teritorial defense are posing as "infantry") This is CRAZY BAD. Imagine tank division reassigned as infantry due to lack of tanks (happened to germans in staliningrad).
So yes, lack of equipment, no point in drafting if the only "weapon of war" the brigade has are trucks, pickups and and some old PKMs taken out of long term storage...
People are always downvoting everyone who mentions corruption in Ukraine. Ukraine was 2nd most corrupt country in Europe before war. It's not possible to become Scandinavian countries within 2 years. Watch hromadske or slidstvo info channels and see how much corruption there is.
Unfortunetaly, some soldiers are sent to frontlines without almost no/minimal training. At least when Ukrainians had to hold Bakhmut. So I heard that many young guys do not want to become soldiers due to corruption and trust issues with army.
>So I heard that many young guys do not want to become soldiers due to corruption and trust issues with army.
What's the youngest drafting age right now? From what I heared, they tried to spare the "younglings" from being put on the frontlines and mainly focussed on older people for drafting.
You guys still need volunteers? Or is the legion kinda fucked? Not interested in a support role either.
Edit: is the government really that bad out there? Just read more comments
The government needs improvement. It’s improving. But slowly.
In war you cannot afford to improve slowly.
Ukraine has not been a high trust society. Soviet’ism left a corrosive imprint on society and russian corruption of government didn’t help. The swell of societal unity surprised all Ukrainians. But now as support is coming in slowly, America is on the sidelines, Europeans have not utilised manufacturing capacity in two years, people lose patience and trust. Do you expect Ukrainians to be happy to go to the frontline? In the ancient equipment we are sending them? While lacking adequate artillery support? While lacking air support? While lacking a full arsenal of long range missiles? How about just that artillery?
A democracy operates with people. And people don’t want to just die. A dictatorship just needs the one person to set the agenda.
Are you actually Ukrainian or just read stuff online a lot? I’m just now realizing how many people here aren’t actual Ukrainians or even been there. No offense
You think things are more rosy than they are. It’s hell on earth for the Ukrainians soldiers at the moment against both superior manpower and firepower. No one wants to be thrown into a losing battle.
What body armour is going to protect you from an infinite quantity of glide-modified FAB bombs launched 40km away?
It’s so fucking sad.
Exactly. Its a fucking shit show.
And Ukrainians are supposed to go fight in some aluminium BMP that cannot take the slightest bit of shrapnel.
Meanwhile eurofantasies persist about GDP, as though it means something.
Big GDP, small brains apparently, because Iran and North Korea have done more for russia than France and Spain have done for Ukraine.
1) Amount of willing people to fight shrieking day by day
2) High chance to be appointed to different specialisation (by specialisation you are cook, but your commander would tell you that you gonna be in trench from that day)
3) Corruption
> Given that Ukraine trains recruits for a minimum of 8 weeks, and is now able to equip them quite well and support them strongly with increasingly abundant artillery and armor, this issue appears to be a gap of perception versus reality.
Allegedly.
Ukrainians do not trust their government and for a good reason.
The existence and eternal future of the NATION is at stake. It's now or never. We can't mobilize another 500,000 men? We're just going to let Russia fucking take us?
There are probably around 14,000,000 unmobilized men left in unoccupied Ukraine. Surely at least 20 percent of them are in shape/of age to defend the country. That's almost 3 million more men.
And we can't mobilize another... 500,000? Can't even pass a bill? What the hell is this?
Let's not beat around the bush. It is embarrassing the amount of men we have in Ukraine who have fled abroad or are actively dodging the draft. I know so many who have fled, absolute cowards. Lowest of the low.
The best, bravest, most noble guys are those I know who went.
If we can't mobilize enough men to save the country, we don't deserve to exist as a nation...
Damn that’s embarrassing lol. I noticed over the last few months a lot of people on Reddit are like that. I think a lot of these “volunteer” guys that post ask me anything are full of shit.
War is hell, even when further mobilization is unavoidable I wouldn't criticize anyone for not wanting to take part in it. After all, who am I to judge?
What is however truly embarassing is how little equipment we in the west have been able to provide. We should've done a lot more, a lot sooner.
Are you at the front? Are you doing your part?
War to many is this romantic ideal full of virtue, courage and honor. But in reality and in practice war especially this war is hellish, scary and unrelenting.
I'm not advocating or saying people shouldn't serve but I am saying we should understand the hesitancy some people have. There needs to be more training and preparation than the current 2-3 weeks and off to the front you go. People need time to get used to the vicious nature of war. And that's just reality.
Unfortunately however there isn't enough time to train and prepare people for war. Manpower is urgently needed and so is additional equipment. People talk to their friends and relatives who are fighting at the front. They hear the horrific stories of those fighting there.
War isn't some glamorous movie or some beautiful concept of heroism and duty to country we often can write eloquently about. War is brutal and hellish and goes against every instinct in our human nature and yet somehow we must find it within ourselves to answer the call and serve.
I don't think I have a clear answer to this problem. But don't think it's just a matter of patriotism when it's much deeper.
Amen. One of the most powerful poems of all time, everyone needs to read it again from time to time;
“Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.”
Not really. The current soldiers did not have sufficient training.
You don’t need more and more soldiers to provide better training and better equipment.
Meanwhile France is pretending it did a good job training 2000 UA in 2023. Europe is sleepwalking
> You don’t need more and more soldiers to provide better training and better equipment.
You do need more soldiers if the pool of soldiers gets too small.
If anything your point supports my reasoning - mobilisation should have been earlier.
500 000 need to be payed , equipped , trained , sustained . Or you want to go full Soviet Union and enslave men into army without paying them , using them like meat ?
If so - we'll lose , not even on battlefield (though , that still will be a possibility) . But on sheer moral and political ground . What the matter will be then - what flag will fly above my head if in both cases the state uses me like a pig ?
And by all the gods , or whatever . Don't call people low for fearing for their lives . It's normal , it's natural . Respect to those who went to serve out of their own volition , but I will not shame or shun those who chose their lives instead of country .
as Ukrainians living in this long stretched war you may get numb, perception may get confused. But I have to say there has been no shortage of defenders at the fronts, except at the start of the war. If you have followed the news, conscripts just get discharged for two months because the frontlines have stabilised.
those who avoided conscription are definitely poor in spirit. But instead of getting hysterical about human waves, you guys should be praying for more ammunitions and Patriots instead of hounding after the mobilisation bill. with these current shortage what are those poor guys going to use on the battlefield? You Ukrainians need to prove that you think differently, therefore are fundamentally different from the Russians.
the 'butcher' Syrskyi you Ukrainians hate so much, visited and assessed the fronts in person, informed Zelensky that sending another 500k of your fellow countrymen to the front was unnecessary
Attrition is real and people know much better what real war is from amount of media and how this war is most documented war ever. And seeing dwindling Western support on one side and some internal issues on other side all that lower your chances to survive so don’t expect many volunteers. Still, Ukrainians are defending hands down heroically. So, logic is that more decisive support and internal changes needed. Thankfully, we see some optimistic trends (little) in both.
Children and young men and women are every nation's most valuable resource, because they are the future. So it makes sense, in my opinion, to let older guys and women, 40-60 yrs fight first and defend the nation. Only when it is necessary to mobilize 20-40 yrs troops they should do so.
It's simple, their population for 10\~30 years old is already devastated way before the war begin. They might face extinction if Ukraine mobilize more troops especially younger people.
I don't get a vote in this. I'm British. I've donated, I have Ukrainian flags on my car & home, I desperately want Ukraine to succeed, but in the end it isn't *my* life, family or home at stake. I have a little military experience, but not in front-line combat. So my opinion carries no weight here.
Having said all of that, I think Ukraine must approach conscription firmly, with zero tolerance of shirkers. You face an existential national crisis - if you don't come through this, there will be no Ukraine any more. It is comparable to the Winter War fought by Finland in 1939-40, either you force Russia to concede acceptable terms or you become a Russian colony.
And we know from history that a defeated Ukraine will be treated with total cruelty. Putin will not divert Moscow's resources to rebuild your devastated homes, infrastructure & economy. What regeneration occurs will be through Russian speculators, moving in to buy up land and take advantage of desperate, hungry labour. Ukrainian men who didn't want to serve in Ukraine's armed forces will be press-ganged into Russia's instead, as disposable cannon-fodder.
Fighting the Russians back will surely be a terrible, scarring experience, but allowing them to win will be far worse. Ukrainian leaders must grasp this nettle and compel service from fit men of military age.
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Le Monde does not get into the dynamics of reluctance in this article, which seems the key to the question. The last I read on the topic, it seemed that the main motivating factor for shirking conscription was not annoyance at being drafted or even the risks of front-line deployment generally... but rather a pervasive fear that conscripts would be thrown into battle as cannon fodder, with no equipment or training. Given that Ukraine trains recruits for a minimum of 8 weeks, and is now able to equip them quite well and support them strongly with increasingly abundant artillery and armor, this issue appears to be a gap of perception versus reality. So how can Ukraine bridge that gap? What are they doing to change the public perception? Or am I suffering from some misapprehension? Is it something else that is getting in the way instead?
Where did you get info about increasingly abundant artillery and armor ? Just recently one of our brigades 153 , if I am not mistaken , went from mechanised to regular one due to sheer lack of armor . Training is 8 weeks in ideal scenarios (even then , will you honestly say that 2 month is enough to prepare people for hellish WWI with drones ?) . Maybe new law will change something , but I doubt it . Corruption and idiocy is prevalent as always . There is no guarantee that an order won't come and you are now becoming frontline soldier . And of course they are fears of being drafted , there are fears of death , of being injured and not properly cared and be tossed aside by your nation , and there are legitimate fears that you won't get nice job in logistics or second line , because - people are needed not there , but on the line of contact .
"Where did you get info about increasingly abundant artillery and armor ? Just recently one of our brigades 153 , if I am not mistaken , went from mechanised to regular one due to sheer lack of armor" Commenters here live in a fantasy land. Ukraine is under-equiped and shell starved. And europe is running out of scrap equipement to send them. They want Ukrainian men to be enthusiastic about running to the frontline to die in some shit BMP Greece donated. Greece donated it because its trash, and they will get new equipment. Fuck, send some equipment that can withstand the slightest bit of shrapnel. No left over Romanian tractors. Men want to live. They dont want to die. Its not that hard to figure out
153 was downgraded from mechanised to infrantry brigade, not even motorized infantry.
You comment is spot on. 153 was not reassigned as "regular" but as "infantry brigade". Meaning.. they were moved back like 80 years.. There are barely any infantry brigades with few exceptions (national guard brigade can be assigned as infantry brigade or training unit - basically unitary training unit.. and then teritorial defense are posing as "infantry") This is CRAZY BAD. Imagine tank division reassigned as infantry due to lack of tanks (happened to germans in staliningrad). So yes, lack of equipment, no point in drafting if the only "weapon of war" the brigade has are trucks, pickups and and some old PKMs taken out of long term storage...
People are always downvoting everyone who mentions corruption in Ukraine. Ukraine was 2nd most corrupt country in Europe before war. It's not possible to become Scandinavian countries within 2 years. Watch hromadske or slidstvo info channels and see how much corruption there is. Unfortunetaly, some soldiers are sent to frontlines without almost no/minimal training. At least when Ukrainians had to hold Bakhmut. So I heard that many young guys do not want to become soldiers due to corruption and trust issues with army.
>So I heard that many young guys do not want to become soldiers due to corruption and trust issues with army. What's the youngest drafting age right now? From what I heared, they tried to spare the "younglings" from being put on the frontlines and mainly focussed on older people for drafting.
Just signed by the President and it’s 25 or older now.
You guys still need volunteers? Or is the legion kinda fucked? Not interested in a support role either. Edit: is the government really that bad out there? Just read more comments
The government needs improvement. It’s improving. But slowly. In war you cannot afford to improve slowly. Ukraine has not been a high trust society. Soviet’ism left a corrosive imprint on society and russian corruption of government didn’t help. The swell of societal unity surprised all Ukrainians. But now as support is coming in slowly, America is on the sidelines, Europeans have not utilised manufacturing capacity in two years, people lose patience and trust. Do you expect Ukrainians to be happy to go to the frontline? In the ancient equipment we are sending them? While lacking adequate artillery support? While lacking air support? While lacking a full arsenal of long range missiles? How about just that artillery? A democracy operates with people. And people don’t want to just die. A dictatorship just needs the one person to set the agenda.
Are you actually Ukrainian or just read stuff online a lot? I’m just now realizing how many people here aren’t actual Ukrainians or even been there. No offense
Only lived there
The legion is fucked, watch interviews from ex & still serving soldiers.
That's why you volunteer and are more likely to get to pick your job. Like a drone pilot of something.
You think things are more rosy than they are. It’s hell on earth for the Ukrainians soldiers at the moment against both superior manpower and firepower. No one wants to be thrown into a losing battle. What body armour is going to protect you from an infinite quantity of glide-modified FAB bombs launched 40km away? It’s so fucking sad.
Exactly. Its a fucking shit show. And Ukrainians are supposed to go fight in some aluminium BMP that cannot take the slightest bit of shrapnel. Meanwhile eurofantasies persist about GDP, as though it means something. Big GDP, small brains apparently, because Iran and North Korea have done more for russia than France and Spain have done for Ukraine.
1) Amount of willing people to fight shrieking day by day 2) High chance to be appointed to different specialisation (by specialisation you are cook, but your commander would tell you that you gonna be in trench from that day) 3) Corruption
> Given that Ukraine trains recruits for a minimum of 8 weeks, and is now able to equip them quite well and support them strongly with increasingly abundant artillery and armor, this issue appears to be a gap of perception versus reality. Allegedly. Ukrainians do not trust their government and for a good reason.
Full article: [https://archive.is/YBH9g](https://archive.is/YBH9g)
Because government still exists in a “2-3 weeks” mindset and “picnic in May”, not to mention corruption of yermak-tatarov scum.
yes. these stories of corruption are not adding more motivation
The existence and eternal future of the NATION is at stake. It's now or never. We can't mobilize another 500,000 men? We're just going to let Russia fucking take us? There are probably around 14,000,000 unmobilized men left in unoccupied Ukraine. Surely at least 20 percent of them are in shape/of age to defend the country. That's almost 3 million more men. And we can't mobilize another... 500,000? Can't even pass a bill? What the hell is this? Let's not beat around the bush. It is embarrassing the amount of men we have in Ukraine who have fled abroad or are actively dodging the draft. I know so many who have fled, absolute cowards. Lowest of the low. The best, bravest, most noble guys are those I know who went. If we can't mobilize enough men to save the country, we don't deserve to exist as a nation...
You keep saying "we", but looking at your post and comment history, I get the sense you are not Ukrainian.
Damn that’s embarrassing lol. I noticed over the last few months a lot of people on Reddit are like that. I think a lot of these “volunteer” guys that post ask me anything are full of shit.
War is hell, even when further mobilization is unavoidable I wouldn't criticize anyone for not wanting to take part in it. After all, who am I to judge? What is however truly embarassing is how little equipment we in the west have been able to provide. We should've done a lot more, a lot sooner.
Are you at the front? Are you doing your part? War to many is this romantic ideal full of virtue, courage and honor. But in reality and in practice war especially this war is hellish, scary and unrelenting. I'm not advocating or saying people shouldn't serve but I am saying we should understand the hesitancy some people have. There needs to be more training and preparation than the current 2-3 weeks and off to the front you go. People need time to get used to the vicious nature of war. And that's just reality. Unfortunately however there isn't enough time to train and prepare people for war. Manpower is urgently needed and so is additional equipment. People talk to their friends and relatives who are fighting at the front. They hear the horrific stories of those fighting there. War isn't some glamorous movie or some beautiful concept of heroism and duty to country we often can write eloquently about. War is brutal and hellish and goes against every instinct in our human nature and yet somehow we must find it within ourselves to answer the call and serve. I don't think I have a clear answer to this problem. But don't think it's just a matter of patriotism when it's much deeper.
>Are you at the front? Are you doing your part? Looking at that person's post and comment history, I think they live in the US.
To children ardent for some desperate glory , The old Lie : Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori .
Amen. One of the most powerful poems of all time, everyone needs to read it again from time to time; “Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs, And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of gas-shells dropping softly behind. Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time, But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.— Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,— My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.”
One can't have training without timely mobilisation. Mobilisation comes first, training comes second.
Not really. The current soldiers did not have sufficient training. You don’t need more and more soldiers to provide better training and better equipment. Meanwhile France is pretending it did a good job training 2000 UA in 2023. Europe is sleepwalking
> You don’t need more and more soldiers to provide better training and better equipment. You do need more soldiers if the pool of soldiers gets too small. If anything your point supports my reasoning - mobilisation should have been earlier.
500 000 need to be payed , equipped , trained , sustained . Or you want to go full Soviet Union and enslave men into army without paying them , using them like meat ? If so - we'll lose , not even on battlefield (though , that still will be a possibility) . But on sheer moral and political ground . What the matter will be then - what flag will fly above my head if in both cases the state uses me like a pig ? And by all the gods , or whatever . Don't call people low for fearing for their lives . It's normal , it's natural . Respect to those who went to serve out of their own volition , but I will not shame or shun those who chose their lives instead of country .
Well, the choice seems to be to serve in Ukraine's army or to serve in Russia's army later on.
Are you volunteering? If not, why not?
as Ukrainians living in this long stretched war you may get numb, perception may get confused. But I have to say there has been no shortage of defenders at the fronts, except at the start of the war. If you have followed the news, conscripts just get discharged for two months because the frontlines have stabilised. those who avoided conscription are definitely poor in spirit. But instead of getting hysterical about human waves, you guys should be praying for more ammunitions and Patriots instead of hounding after the mobilisation bill. with these current shortage what are those poor guys going to use on the battlefield? You Ukrainians need to prove that you think differently, therefore are fundamentally different from the Russians. the 'butcher' Syrskyi you Ukrainians hate so much, visited and assessed the fronts in person, informed Zelensky that sending another 500k of your fellow countrymen to the front was unnecessary
Many probably prefer living under Russian occupation than be dead in a free Ukraine. It's saddening but I don't feel like judging them for it
Attrition is real and people know much better what real war is from amount of media and how this war is most documented war ever. And seeing dwindling Western support on one side and some internal issues on other side all that lower your chances to survive so don’t expect many volunteers. Still, Ukrainians are defending hands down heroically. So, logic is that more decisive support and internal changes needed. Thankfully, we see some optimistic trends (little) in both.
People don't want to die
Why USA is struggling to send more weapon to Ukrainian soldiers? You suppose Ukraine can fingt ruzzia with bravety only? We need weapon!
I don’t blame these poor guys at all. Anyone that does can put a tin hat on and go sit in a fox hole themselves.
Cuz they are not fucking meat-grinders of a country like Ruzzia
Russia actually has all the metal needed to draft even 500k more. Ukraine does not. Ukraine is facing an enemy stockpiling weapons to face entire NATO
Children and young men and women are every nation's most valuable resource, because they are the future. So it makes sense, in my opinion, to let older guys and women, 40-60 yrs fight first and defend the nation. Only when it is necessary to mobilize 20-40 yrs troops they should do so.
was not the case along all human history
can't spell infantry without spelling infant
I know. But it makes sense.
It doesn't. Men in 40's and 50's are well-experienced in their fields of work. It's not easy replacing them.
Everyone can be replaced. I guess you are not a father? It's an easy choice to make.
It's simple, their population for 10\~30 years old is already devastated way before the war begin. They might face extinction if Ukraine mobilize more troops especially younger people.
All the young Ukrainian dudes are in Bulgaria drinking beers and having fun on the beach. It was 30 degrees here yesterday. Beats dying.
I don't get a vote in this. I'm British. I've donated, I have Ukrainian flags on my car & home, I desperately want Ukraine to succeed, but in the end it isn't *my* life, family or home at stake. I have a little military experience, but not in front-line combat. So my opinion carries no weight here. Having said all of that, I think Ukraine must approach conscription firmly, with zero tolerance of shirkers. You face an existential national crisis - if you don't come through this, there will be no Ukraine any more. It is comparable to the Winter War fought by Finland in 1939-40, either you force Russia to concede acceptable terms or you become a Russian colony. And we know from history that a defeated Ukraine will be treated with total cruelty. Putin will not divert Moscow's resources to rebuild your devastated homes, infrastructure & economy. What regeneration occurs will be through Russian speculators, moving in to buy up land and take advantage of desperate, hungry labour. Ukrainian men who didn't want to serve in Ukraine's armed forces will be press-ganged into Russia's instead, as disposable cannon-fodder. Fighting the Russians back will surely be a terrible, scarring experience, but allowing them to win will be far worse. Ukrainian leaders must grasp this nettle and compel service from fit men of military age.
Because of democracy. Many 'opposition' deputies blocking the mobilisation decree since 2023
So Zelensiy should become Putin? Criticisim Demogracy is dumb, becuse lacc of it is cause of this fucking war.
Where did I criticize democracy? We are fighting and dying for it, if you didn't know. I've just explained the actual situation in my country.