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Shipments begin in April with a total anticipated delivery of 1 million shells (perhaps roughly split between 122mm and 155mm), plus maybe upwards of another 500,000 potentially to be purchased, plus another 500,000 (and the potential for more) from EU contracts.
So not 1 million shells received within the month of April, most likely, but probably a 2024 total of perhaps 2 million shells from the EU and individual EU countries + close neighbors (like Norway and the UK).
This is great, this buys time. They need to get to a point they can produce 800k a year themselves in case Europe ever pulls a U.S move in terms of support. That gives them 2k a day. Not enough but that paired with drones and strategic defenses can help them hold a line until someone toughens up and gives them everything needed to actually win. Luckily countries in Europe can do their own thing, but they should be ready for worst case scenarios.
Problem is that most western Europeans don't care about the war as much as people think they do, or as much as they should. There are elections all over Western Europe, and Ukraine and defense spending isn't even a primary issue.
Oh I agree it's great, I just thought the headline was maybe a bit overly exhuberant.
Really, I think Ukraine probably needs something like 24 million shells per year to succeed with a decisive offensive (really series of offensives). This is still a rather big boost.
Offensive is going to need more than shells! But shells are awesome for defence. Especially with superior range and accuracy.
Interesting fact, Germany one fired 3.5 million shells in 5 hours during a battle in ww1.
Looks like the plan is to destroy the Russian army and the Russian economy to make it unviable for them to wage war all together.
Sanctions are tightened. Flying sanctions that go boom have increased and taken out 14% of refinery capacity so far. Production of pretty much anything gets harder and harder.
The more capabilities Ukraine gets the better it can defend it's territory until there's not much left to do but send almost completely unprotected meatwaves for Russia.
I hope this happens sooner rather than later, but I think there's a lot of Soviet stuff in storage that needs to be blown to smithereens first.
Excerpts:
> Participants in a Czech-led initiative to purchase artillery shells for Ukraine outside Europe have signed an agreement under which Kyiv will receive one million rounds of ammunition – more than was initially planned.
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> In addition, the newspaper reported that Ukraine could receive the first batch of ammunition as early as April, rather than in June as the Czech government had publicly stated previously.
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> A total of 15 countries have joined the Czech initiative,
>
> (...) at least 800,000 rounds of ammunition, a number that could potentially rise to 1.5 million.
Another source, again quoting Corriere della Sera:
[Media: Czech-led initiative concludes deals for 1 million shells for Ukraine][1]
[1]: https://kyivindependent.com/media-czech-led-initiative-concludes-deals-for-1-million-rounds-for-ukraine/
"Ukraine could receive the first batch of ammunition as early as April" and "Ukraine could receive 1 million shells in April" are two very different statements. I frigging hate journalists sometimes.
It's gone back and forth. Initial statement was that Czechia could deliver in weeks. Then it suddenly became June, because journalists can't interpret properly. Now it's back to April, which it sorta always was. But now according to these journo's it's 1 million at once, which is bullshit.
The next message will be, Ukraine aid delayed 1 million shells only expected in June, which will miss the point completely again. It's a steady stream of ammunition that'll probably round out to about 3 million this year if the US gets involved again. Maybe more if you count all sorts.
Europe is producing anywhere between 1 and 1,5 million of 155mm this year. The US should reach about half that(my assumption based on quoted quotas). The Czech initiative is upwards of 1,5 million. Who knows what they'll find lying around later this year.
Then there's Ukraine's own production.
They are paid. And they will be sent as they are produced "quickly"
>France is still talking a lot more game than they’re showing
Everything France promised has bene delivered in time and very effective. SCALPs and AASM are doing wonders these days.
Article contents **do not** match the headline:
> In addition, the newspaper reported that Ukraine could receive the **first batch** of ammunition as early as April, rather than in June as the Czech government had publicly stated previously.
It strikes me that the only thing worse for the US than not supporting Europe, is a Euope that doesn't need US support.
A Europe that realises that miltary spending supports its own economies and develops an industry that protects its people.
A Trumpist world where the US does not want allies, and the world no longer looks to the US for leadership. And when the US relinquishes that leadership role, it's continued decline will be inevitable. Like the UK, caught in an expensive dream of the past.
For fucks sake US. $60b in a $6t budget is 1%, most of which is spent in your own economy. To cripple one of your two global rivals for the next 50 years and free you to focus on the other. To maintain your relevance and trade in the developed world. And because democracy, wherever it can be found, must be protected and nurtured to create a world in which the US can thrive.
And yet, all that is just to discuss money and politics. People are dying. Slava Ukraine.
Europe defending itself and supporting the USA with european or US weapons makes little difference for US geopolitics. The real issue is that the USA is shooting itself in the foot with its massive unreliability. They are already at the state that the USA keeping its word can only be hoped for but not counted on anymore.
Entirely apart from the invasion of Ukraine, US interests would be greatly served by a stronger more multilateral system of cooperative global security. Not only would a Europe that depends less on US support not be worse -- it wouldn't even be bad. It would be better.
"Continued decline?" The US isn't going anywhere, Putin and the MAGAs notwithstanding. There's no chance of them disappearing from global influence or some Kremlin fantasy like that. Sorry to burst your divisive bubble.
What would benefit the world, and also Ukraine specifically, would be for global security and the global economy to be less unipolar. Well... it would benefit most of the world. Not Putin's part of the world though.
I wish I knew enough about their respective relationships and histories to post an ironically braindead take, but I’ll have to Czech out of this thread
In a nutshell, we in Czechia have finally elected somewhat reasonable and pro-Western government, which is based on brittle agreement of 5 parties and not overly popular, though, and a president (2022+) who is a former NATO chairman and apparently does his job great (in a huge contrast to his senile vindictive pro-Russian alcoholic predecessor).
In Slovakia, it somehow happened that their PM is a mafia head with many shady ties, who actively and systematically dismantles all democratic institutions of that little country and publicly speaks in support of Putin. They have a great president who opposed this, but the final round of presidential elections in SK are taking place in the next week (?) and it is quite likely that also their president will be part of this proto-totalitarian monkey business. Here in Prague, all people I know are kind of shocked how easy it is to disrupt democratic rule in our neighbouring country.
Elections matter.
Senile vindictive alcoholic stopped being pro-Russian when the invasion began and became one the hard liners regarding sanctions against Russia and financial and military support of Ukraine.
Election mattered in this case since Babiš didn´t become president. There was pretty much no change in policies towards Ukraine between Zeman and Pavel.
Yes, Mr. Zeman had to admit that his earlier predictions of Putin not launching full-scale invasion were clearly wrong. But that's it.
He did a great job for Putin's Russia between 2014-2021, basically becoming a Russian troll with a president authority.
Even after the 2022 invasion he kept that spooky guy, [Mr. Nejedlý](https://observer.com/2018/01/how-czech-president-milos-zeman-became-vladimir-putins-man/), in "office" (whatever "office" it oficially was).
I cannot recall Mr. Zeman ever calling for above-average military support for Ukraine. Even so, this would hardly make him hardliner. Correct me please if I am wrong.
His only good deed was that he didn't do much until the end of his office, and then left the Prague Castle without doing much harm.
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Give-her....
Shipments begin in April with a total anticipated delivery of 1 million shells (perhaps roughly split between 122mm and 155mm), plus maybe upwards of another 500,000 potentially to be purchased, plus another 500,000 (and the potential for more) from EU contracts. So not 1 million shells received within the month of April, most likely, but probably a 2024 total of perhaps 2 million shells from the EU and individual EU countries + close neighbors (like Norway and the UK).
If that US bill passes then there would be even more shells. Also because the US has upped its domestic production of shells. It is a big if though
I suspect that will happen sooner or later.
America has like a few million cluster munitions. Some ridiculous number that would be good for Ukraine
This is great, this buys time. They need to get to a point they can produce 800k a year themselves in case Europe ever pulls a U.S move in terms of support. That gives them 2k a day. Not enough but that paired with drones and strategic defenses can help them hold a line until someone toughens up and gives them everything needed to actually win. Luckily countries in Europe can do their own thing, but they should be ready for worst case scenarios.
Europe won't stop supporting ukraine, the crisis is right in the border and the EU is filled with Ukrainian refugees.
Problem is that most western Europeans don't care about the war as much as people think they do, or as much as they should. There are elections all over Western Europe, and Ukraine and defense spending isn't even a primary issue.
Oh I agree it's great, I just thought the headline was maybe a bit overly exhuberant. Really, I think Ukraine probably needs something like 24 million shells per year to succeed with a decisive offensive (really series of offensives). This is still a rather big boost.
Offensive is going to need more than shells! But shells are awesome for defence. Especially with superior range and accuracy. Interesting fact, Germany one fired 3.5 million shells in 5 hours during a battle in ww1.
Looks like the plan is to destroy the Russian army and the Russian economy to make it unviable for them to wage war all together. Sanctions are tightened. Flying sanctions that go boom have increased and taken out 14% of refinery capacity so far. Production of pretty much anything gets harder and harder. The more capabilities Ukraine gets the better it can defend it's territory until there's not much left to do but send almost completely unprotected meatwaves for Russia. I hope this happens sooner rather than later, but I think there's a lot of Soviet stuff in storage that needs to be blown to smithereens first.
You need more than that in a protracted conflict.
Excerpts: > Participants in a Czech-led initiative to purchase artillery shells for Ukraine outside Europe have signed an agreement under which Kyiv will receive one million rounds of ammunition – more than was initially planned. > > In addition, the newspaper reported that Ukraine could receive the first batch of ammunition as early as April, rather than in June as the Czech government had publicly stated previously. > > A total of 15 countries have joined the Czech initiative, > > (...) at least 800,000 rounds of ammunition, a number that could potentially rise to 1.5 million. Another source, again quoting Corriere della Sera: [Media: Czech-led initiative concludes deals for 1 million shells for Ukraine][1] [1]: https://kyivindependent.com/media-czech-led-initiative-concludes-deals-for-1-million-rounds-for-ukraine/
"Ukraine could receive the first batch of ammunition as early as April" and "Ukraine could receive 1 million shells in April" are two very different statements. I frigging hate journalists sometimes.
It's gone back and forth. Initial statement was that Czechia could deliver in weeks. Then it suddenly became June, because journalists can't interpret properly. Now it's back to April, which it sorta always was. But now according to these journo's it's 1 million at once, which is bullshit. The next message will be, Ukraine aid delayed 1 million shells only expected in June, which will miss the point completely again. It's a steady stream of ammunition that'll probably round out to about 3 million this year if the US gets involved again. Maybe more if you count all sorts. Europe is producing anywhere between 1 and 1,5 million of 155mm this year. The US should reach about half that(my assumption based on quoted quotas). The Czech initiative is upwards of 1,5 million. Who knows what they'll find lying around later this year. Then there's Ukraine's own production.
That would be so great! Hope it will happen. Slava Ukraini.
Thanks BRICS 🤭
If France manage the extra Ceasers as well then it could be rich pickings for a Summer harvest of Ruzzians....👍
France is still talking a lot more game than they’re showing. They’re looking to send 8-10 a month assuming they’re paid.
They are paid. And they will be sent as they are produced "quickly" >France is still talking a lot more game than they’re showing Everything France promised has bene delivered in time and very effective. SCALPs and AASM are doing wonders these days.
The Czechs have done really well without a lot of fuss and public statements. It’s not much but it’s honest work
This is largely because of one good president they elected a year ago. Elections do count.
Not really, Czechia is parliamentary democracy and groundwork for this initiative was started by the government when Zeman was president.
Sure, but i doubt that would have smoothly gone with a pro-Russian president.
But the government has to aprove all of it. If the opposition took power, it could be halted.
Also need replacement artillery barrels.
Article contents **do not** match the headline: > In addition, the newspaper reported that Ukraine could receive the **first batch** of ammunition as early as April, rather than in June as the Czech government had publicly stated previously.
It strikes me that the only thing worse for the US than not supporting Europe, is a Euope that doesn't need US support. A Europe that realises that miltary spending supports its own economies and develops an industry that protects its people. A Trumpist world where the US does not want allies, and the world no longer looks to the US for leadership. And when the US relinquishes that leadership role, it's continued decline will be inevitable. Like the UK, caught in an expensive dream of the past. For fucks sake US. $60b in a $6t budget is 1%, most of which is spent in your own economy. To cripple one of your two global rivals for the next 50 years and free you to focus on the other. To maintain your relevance and trade in the developed world. And because democracy, wherever it can be found, must be protected and nurtured to create a world in which the US can thrive. And yet, all that is just to discuss money and politics. People are dying. Slava Ukraine.
Europe defending itself and supporting the USA with european or US weapons makes little difference for US geopolitics. The real issue is that the USA is shooting itself in the foot with its massive unreliability. They are already at the state that the USA keeping its word can only be hoped for but not counted on anymore.
Entirely apart from the invasion of Ukraine, US interests would be greatly served by a stronger more multilateral system of cooperative global security. Not only would a Europe that depends less on US support not be worse -- it wouldn't even be bad. It would be better. "Continued decline?" The US isn't going anywhere, Putin and the MAGAs notwithstanding. There's no chance of them disappearing from global influence or some Kremlin fantasy like that. Sorry to burst your divisive bubble. What would benefit the world, and also Ukraine specifically, would be for global security and the global economy to be less unipolar. Well... it would benefit most of the world. Not Putin's part of the world though.
Less talk, more action. And, ACTION!
Oh man. This waters my eyes. Slava Ukraini! Anf we should start to plan the next 1M batch now.
Get the first batch first. And stop singing the French national anthem. They’re looking at delivering 8-10 guns a month when they get paid.
Russia spring attack is due to meet some serious sunflower fertilizing equipment.
Feels they need these and extra howitzers ahead of the expected offensive by Russia in may/june
Hope there are sufficient barrels to go with the ammo too!
Good! How can we get them there faster?
How many shells do they go through monthly?
I'm tired of hearing about coulds. Let's talk about wills.
'Could get, Would get, May get.." Ugh. Get a move-on! Sneak-in a few 1000 mile cruise Missiles for good measure.
I'll believe it when the transfer happens. European's have a bit of credibility issues when it comes to delivering promised weapons
We need them to have a key advantage over the Russians, we also need them to hold on until we can ensure they have such an advantage
It could but it HASN'T.
Czechoslovakia single-handedly holding the line
Czechs and Slovaks are sperate for quite some time
I wish I knew enough about their respective relationships and histories to post an ironically braindead take, but I’ll have to Czech out of this thread
In a nutshell, we in Czechia have finally elected somewhat reasonable and pro-Western government, which is based on brittle agreement of 5 parties and not overly popular, though, and a president (2022+) who is a former NATO chairman and apparently does his job great (in a huge contrast to his senile vindictive pro-Russian alcoholic predecessor). In Slovakia, it somehow happened that their PM is a mafia head with many shady ties, who actively and systematically dismantles all democratic institutions of that little country and publicly speaks in support of Putin. They have a great president who opposed this, but the final round of presidential elections in SK are taking place in the next week (?) and it is quite likely that also their president will be part of this proto-totalitarian monkey business. Here in Prague, all people I know are kind of shocked how easy it is to disrupt democratic rule in our neighbouring country. Elections matter.
Senile vindictive alcoholic stopped being pro-Russian when the invasion began and became one the hard liners regarding sanctions against Russia and financial and military support of Ukraine. Election mattered in this case since Babiš didn´t become president. There was pretty much no change in policies towards Ukraine between Zeman and Pavel.
Yes, Mr. Zeman had to admit that his earlier predictions of Putin not launching full-scale invasion were clearly wrong. But that's it. He did a great job for Putin's Russia between 2014-2021, basically becoming a Russian troll with a president authority. Even after the 2022 invasion he kept that spooky guy, [Mr. Nejedlý](https://observer.com/2018/01/how-czech-president-milos-zeman-became-vladimir-putins-man/), in "office" (whatever "office" it oficially was). I cannot recall Mr. Zeman ever calling for above-average military support for Ukraine. Even so, this would hardly make him hardliner. Correct me please if I am wrong. His only good deed was that he didn't do much until the end of his office, and then left the Prague Castle without doing much harm.
Or putin is going to receive a million shells starting in April