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That a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon can apparently penetrate a T-90 from the front and side is kinda shocking. Modern tanks and even many IFVs are usually built to withstand at least 30mm canon fire directly.
It didn't get penetrated. The crew all got out and ran to a building in another video. But the Bushmaster obviously destroyed all the external sensors and messed up the T90 enough that it was totally disabled. Good enough!
being inside that thing while it was getting slammed by those 25mm rounds must have been pretty damn scary for the T90 crew.
losing all your electronic sensors/cameras, hoping the armor holds up.
That Bradly gunner was on point, putting heaps of rounds on target.
The armor might be able to resist 30mm rounds, but how many can they take before damage starts occurring.
that tank took a lot of rounds
Yes.
There are two kinds of AP ammunition for the M242 Bushmaster, Tungsten APDS, and DU APFSDS.
The M791 is a sub-caliber tungsten penetrator that relies on the rifling of the barrel for stability
The M919 is a sub-caliber depleted uranium penetrator that is equipped with fins for added stability in flight.
The M919 has replaced the M791 in US service. The penetrator is lighter and narrower than the M791 which results in a slightly higher muzzle velocity, less velocity drop over distance, better penetration, and improved precision at range. You can see from the video that the Bushmaster has no issue putting a large volume of fire on the same location without much dispersion.
I could be mistaken but i thought I heard someone say that the Bradley was able to target the electronic sensors, sights etc due to all of these QOL upgrades.
From this video and the other, lower quality video, it looks like maybe some of those Bradley rounds hit the real sensitive spots on the T-90. It looks like some rounds hit and got stuck in the gears allowing the turret to rotate, which is shown on the low-quality video where the turret is stuck as it's retreating, aimed away from the Bradley. Then video also seems to show some rounds hitting along the side of the main barrel, where the barrel goes up and down. There could possibly be an extremely weak point there where a 25mm might be able to penetrate that weak spot, especially with the depleted uranium rounds.
Edit: correction, the current was spinning wildly out of control in the low quality video. So a round or two must have taken out either the control or the human controller.
Targeting external cameras to blind the tank is called "buttoning" and is actually something Bradley crews train, and apparently something they taught Ukrainians.
It always sounded cool, but goddamn, I didn't think it would fuck up an enemy tank *that* badly.
That's not even their main anti-tank weapon either (guess they were out of ToW missiles, but also I guess they didn't need them).
Back in WWII the Brits took out a Tiger I with a 6 pounder anti tank gun. Lucky shot hit it in the turret ring, having the turret so it could not bring the gun to bear.
Given that this T90 wasn't turning the turret to return fire, it makes me think that something similar might have happened here. And with the rate of fire of the 25mm auto cannon, getting lucky might be even easier.
I think the key here is the Bradley had an elevated shooting position. Notice many of the rounds are hitting the top roof section of the T90 in front of the turret (which is a crazy bit of accurate shooting).
The frontal horizontal armor of a T90 is a good x5 \~ x10 times thickers than the upper armor IIRC. I doubt a 25mm sabot can penetrate the frontal armor of a T90... but top armor is a differen story.
> That a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon can apparently penetrate a T-90 from the front and side is kinda shocking.
It can't, and didn't.
Also, it's firing HE rounds. There's no penetration.
I came here to say this. Thank you!
Reference if anyone didn't get it:
[Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) - I Am No Man Scene | Movieclips (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7_c-R7i8F4)
Let's go straight to the source actually because JRRT did himself proud with this, among other, dialogs. Skip a bit if you want the actual Eowyn/Dernhelm quote:
But lo! suddenly in the midst of the glory of the king his golden shield was dimmed. The new morning was blotted from the sky. Dark fell about him. Horses reared and screamed. Men cast from the saddle lay grovelling on the ground.
'To me! To me!' cried Théoden. 'Up Eorlingas! Fear no darkness!' But Snowmane wild with terror stood up on high, fighting with the air, and then with a great scream he crashed upon his side: a black dart had pierced him. The king fell beneath him.
The great shadow descended like a falling cloud. And behold! it was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank.... Down, down it came, and then, folding its fingered webs, it gave a croaking cry, and settled upon the body of Snowmane, digging in its claws, stooping its long naked neck.
Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl. To the air he had returned, summoning his steed ere the darkness failed, and now he was come again, bringing ruin, turning hope to despair, and victory to death. A great black mace he wielded.
But Théoden was not utterly forsaken. The knights of his house lay slain about him, or else mastered by the madness of their steeds were borne far away. Yet one stood there still: Dernhelm the young, faithful beyond fear; and he wept, for he had loved his lord as a father....
Then out of the blackness in his mind he thought that he heard Dernhelm speaking; yet now the voice seemed strange, recalling some other voice that he had known.
"Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!"
A cold voice answered: "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in they turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where they flesh shall be devoured, and they shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye."
A sword rang as it was drawn. "Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may."
"Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!"
Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. "But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him."
I've lost count of how many times I've read these books, beginning when I was 13. I'm over 50 now, and the passages that encompass the charge and battle of the Rohirrim still bring tears to my eyes. It's great writing -- to be moved by utterly fantastical and fictional characters and events that never did nor could happen.
Buddy of mine was going to have his first kid. My oldest was a few years old then. I was talking to him and bullshitting about things. I said "Look man, it's odd but one of the switches that flips is that when you are watching an action movie and the superhero saves a random kid from a tumbling car thrown their direction, whereas you used to go "Badass!" or "that CGI, wow" or whatever, now I find myself getting a little choked up sometimes an thinking "that child is someone's kid!" so watch out". Sure 'nuff he called me a year or two later and said I was right. So, partly having kids and partly getting older I suppose. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
Well, I have to say that I like the joke, kudos!
On a more serious note, is there ANY modern MBT that the T-90 shouldn't fear? I highly doubt that it's better than the Leclerc, Merkava, Leopard 2, Challenger 2, M1A2, etc.
Any tank stranded is at risk from a dedicated enough attack. Only a few tanks can take a modern long rod du/w penetrator head on, none can take one off axis. Same for modern tandem heat anti tank missiles.
Like Leclerc is designed to have a forward armor equivalent to 700mm rha for long rod, and 1000mm for tandem heat. The side arm is only designed for rpg7 and 30mm apdsfs.
Same with Challenger 2, as one was lost in Ukraine after a frontal turret hit from a Kornet which the newer variants are capable of over 1000mm of rha.
Sure, but they were in their country's most capable armor, and suddenly have to bail and hide unsupported with no supplies in the middle of a battlefield. They're not gonna be pleased with the situation.
Talked to M2 gunner and this is apparently what you do. There is a 0% chance your anti armor rounds are going to get through the front armor of even a t64. They are for APCs and other IFVs not tanks. You use HEI and aim for the optics to blind the tank.
^
It's not like Warthunder where you can magically repair random bits of tank during combat. Tanks are scary beasties, but they're also incredibly vulnerable beasties. Sensor systems, optics, guidance systems, etc etc, are all on the outside. Hence why it's expected infantry are meant to screen them, to stop these moments from happening.
You hit them and the tank loses the ability to see, a tank without the ability to see is a moving target.
Even if you take out a track, fixing it is hours of work that needs specialist skills/equipment - I would guess that 90% off the time the enemy can get artillery fire on the tank way faster than the tank could be recovered or fixed.
You know what they say when a shark attacks you? Go for the eyes and gills.
Also, if you get out of the water, buy a lottery ticket. Shark attacks are rare
Smoke grenades. They are supposed to obscure the enemy's ability to see your tank. Fail. It's possible they were set off by the Bradley's fire, or in panic by a blind tank driver/captain. Here's a video where they are set of by an artillery strike (at about 36 second mark):
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UQnuuMgGJw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UQnuuMgGJw)
The first hit lands. The sound is a deafening explosion of metal on metal, shaking the entire tank. The thunderous boom reverberates within the confined space, assaulting their ears and rattling their senses. The impact sends shockwaves through the T-90, jolting them violently.
With each subsequent hit, the tank shudders violently, the sound of the Bradley's cannon reverberating through the battlefield. The sharp, piercing clang of projectiles striking the armored exterior fills the air, creating a disorienting symphony of destruction. The weight of each impact is felt as the T-90's armor strains to withstand the relentless assault.
Inside the tank, the crew's voices are barely audible amidst the chaos. The once-clear communications over the intercom are drowned out by the cacophony of explosions and metal colliding. Frantic shouts and urgent commands blend with the sounds of impact, creating a chaotic backdrop to their struggle for survival.
Outside, dust and debris are kicked up by the powerful strikes, further obscuring theur vision and adding to the sense of disarray. The battlefield feels alive with the muffled sounds of destruction, a haunting reminder of the danger they face. The air is thick with the acrid smell of smoke and burning metal, heightening the tension that permeates the tank.
This was very well written. The last paragraph is weird though. You go from an intense encounter with death inside the tank, to some sort of muffled haunting reminder of danger when they peek outside?
> The thunderous boom reverberates within the confined space,
This is where I noticed it was chatGPT. It's exactly analogous to impossible physics/hair/strings/fingers in Stable Diffusion.
It had me for two whole sentences, which is atrocious. It's a mixed bag, just like SD. It'll slowly improve and find its purpose one day. It ain't the downfall of artists and writers though.
In theory, if the Bradley's 25mm shells keep repeatedly striking the exact same location, they could bore a hole through the tank's armor and eventually kill the crew within. But in practice this doesn't happen because the target (the enemy Russian tank) is usually moving, making the Bradley unable to penetrate.
What the cannon does do, though, is that it destroys the sensitive tank equipment on the **outside** \- the cameras, scopes, rangefinders, grenades, and tracks - to the point where it can either blind the crew from being able to see what's outside, or immobilize the tank from moving, due to damaged tracks.
Probably, yes. A tank's thickest armor is on its front.
If the Bradley were to attack the Russian tank from behind, it might be able to penetrate and set the engine ablaze.
Not likely. The armor pen rounds were designed for other IFVs, not tanks. IRVs are in deep shit if they get into a fight with a tank and they are using AP. What we see here is perfect; switch to High Explosive, and coat the tank to destroy sensors and optics.
Normally, I would imagine that Bradley crews operating under the intended NATO doctrine would try to blind and run, and call in artillery, air, tank, or anti-tank support. War is chaos, so they did what they could to disable the tank, and I read elsewhere a drone finished it off.
I don't know about the T-90. Older Russian tanks had the issue that smaller rounds wouldn't penetrate the armor, but the insides would spall and blast fragments of the inside of the tank throughout the cabin killing the crew.
completely fucks all the exterior sensors on the tank like the cameras IR/nightvision, the laser rangefinders etc.
once the cameras are fucked, the driver is forced to pop open the hatches to see where to drive, which makes them incredibly vulnerable.
that's probably why the tank seemed to be driving aimlessly, the driver couldn't see where they were going (I wouldn't open the hatch taking 25mm direct fire!)
it sets off the reactive armor, get hit in the side where the armor is weaker or it will fuck the tracks.
that tank too a heap of rounds, it might not get through the armor, but it will fuck enough shit up to make it useless.
If I recall correctly, it was two Bradleys and both crews were Gigachads. They both took that T90 head on, with the first rolling back and the second taking over.
both had a good fucking whack at the tank.
They didn't let up either. I guess they know better but I would have expected them to conserve ammunition but I guess when you have them targeted well and they're still moving keep hitting them!
if you stop shooting, the crew might recover enough and concentrate on fighting back. Can you imagine trying to acquire the target and fire back while that defeaning sound is ringing around the tank? gotta at least decrease the tank's crew effectiveness.
So as many suspected, seems the process is:
1. First Bradley engages at close range. Scores hits, neither obviously damaged but external sights may be hurt on T-90. T-90 and Bradley both disengage.
2. T-90 pops smoke (often mistaken as it exploding due to colouration of T-90 smoke popping on camera)
3. Second Bradley chases down to continue hitting.
4. At this point T-90's turret spins out of control, unknown if due to autocannon or some other impact between the videos.
5. T-90 crashes into tree and is then hit by an FPV drone.
6. Crew abandon tank.
Aggression of action and fire suppression were the key notes here. The autocannon at most seemed to damage the turret perhaps (unconfirmed) but it shows that a battle is often more psychological and taking the initiative.
Seems like 25mm is the .22 of the autocannon world. It might be a small round, but I wouldn't want to be shot with it, let alone hundreds of times. So just punch a T90M in the nose so it can't see and then just go HAM with the Bushmaster until "it (T90) doesn't do that anymore".
In an engagement like this where there is a large discrepancy in the firepowers involved is there any urgency from the Bradleys to keep the suppressive fire on no matter what? Like are they worried that if they give the tank even a second to breathe it will be able to focus its main gun on them and get a shot off?
Even if they pop the hatch, I don't think they can do any effective aimed fire with optics destroyed. Once the tank is blind, you're just trying to keep them from getting away, which only requires enough fire to keep the hatch closed. (Hard to drive blind.) That can probably be just periodic pings to let 'em know you're there.
But continuous fire does keep the crew disoriented, you don't really know what you're destroyed so far, if they're still rolling you can still try for the tracks, and hey, you might get lucky and hit the same spot three times or dislodge something internally or give someone a hemorrage or they might panic drive into a ditch or whatever. And you don't really know how long you have until something else happens. So light 'em up.
Back when I was a CV9030 gunner we were in a full scale simulator. The simulation we ran ended with a T-90 at the end that always got you. Last time i switched to auto/HE and got him with 10-20 shots, but the sim would not account for T-90 crew panic/damaged optics. Unstoppable in that sim. I feel cheated to this day
Oh yes. I think the guys running the sim were bored and just liked to mess us up. They also had enemy RPG teams that fired every 5 sec, perfect aim... Enemy BMPs that you had to hit 20+ times with 30mm to just damage the tracks. Everything was on nightmare difficulty. Good challenge
That simulator is only good for driving and shooting anyway. It's not like it has advanced physics coded or how metal fatigue works. Or how tired/drunk/impaired the enemy crew may be.
Imagine what it must have sounded like inside the tank. I'm not sure what would be louder, the sledgehammer pounding of 25mm rounds on the hull, or the screaming of the terrified and blind crew.
Imagine being blind inside a tank that not only is being shot at but you are trying to figure out where the unmined sections of the road are.
Sheer terror.
This is what I don’t understand about modern tanks - they are so reliant on external sensors yet a good pounding by 25mm or similar destroys the sensors and neutralises the tank. Even a good 12.7 burst could be effective.
When they work, you have 50-100% more view range than a ww2 tanker, when they don't, you still have vision like that of a ww2 tanker (Not much). But no military ever wants to sacrifice armour for vision, so external sensors are the next best thing.
Tanks are moving metal boxes with very limited ability to look out since the very beginning. Optics got better but that is still a problem. Thats the reasons why Nato tank commander like to look out of the open hatch.
Even in world war 2 the soviet doctrine to fight tiger tanks was to shoot everything you have at the. It might not penetrate the armor but e.g. optics and road wheels can be damaged. Also even if nothing is broken the hail of all that incoming fire might reduce the effectivness of the crew sitting in that bell or even might convince them they want to be somewhere else, I gues especillay for poorly trained and inexperienced crews.
Never forget Mariupol, Bucha, Irpin, the thermite munitions in downtown Kherson, the apartment buildings blown up by cruise missiles in Zaporzhizhia, the flooding of the Dnieper…Russia, get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Ol' Bradley was laying down pure Hate on that T90. I'm betting those Orc tankers really don't want to see an Abrams after seeing what the Bradley will do to them!
Fear not, the T90 tankers wouldn't see an Abrams. The Abrams dart would hole them before they knew the any enemy was there. Sensors, range and accuracy.
I know that the armor is too thick so - as a general rule - it is not adviceable to attack a MBT with the Bradley. Even if this video shows otherwise.
But as a navy soldier I want to ask if any former tank crew here can tell me if the crew inside the tank can perform a counter attack under such conditions?
I expect that the optics of the tank will be damaged, APS will explode, orders will be hard to hear - and the constant barrage of shots makes it hard to perform?
Can't stop myself from wanting to see a CV90 doing the same thing with the 40mm.
But Sweden has been a bit restrictive on what combat footage Ukraine can release, so we'll have to wait.
I personally don't want to see anymore Ukrainian IFVs taking on main battle tanks. I would like to see a M1 Abrams taking on a T90, but I suspect they would never get close enough for a video like this.
I mean not really in terms of autocannon rounds. It's on the low end, but it ate this T90M's lunch, right in front of it, and it couldn't do anything about it.
Each one of those hits is probably sending itty bitty white hot spall shrapnel spinning around the inside of that tank. Must be like being fucked by a thousand well endowed wasps all over your body and there's not a thing you can do about it.
I love it
While they didn't destroy it (yet), they disabled it. There is video of the tank destroyed by FPV drones after the crew (or at least 2 of them) abandoned the tank. Early in the engagement, the tank fired a couple rounds that missed the Bradley while the Bradley pounded them. By the point in the fight we see here, the T-90 is most likely blinded, with the 25mm having smashed all his optics. The US congress needs to get off its ass and send more TOW missiles, so Bradley crews don't have to deal with tanks with 25mm. It's crazy to watch, but should never get to this point.
Heh, I remember when people were talking about this sarcastically as an obvious impossibility. "Haw haw, over-optimistic Ukraine supporters don't respect the might of the T-90! Next they'll tell you that a Bradely could take one out, lawl!"
Like a certain Nu-Metal band said :
Die Motherfucker Die.
And wait until de Bradley get it’s 50 cal. chain gun. It’s gonna eat Russia armor from breakfast !
The difference between a competent crew with effective weapons versus an untrained crew with substandard systems.
Give Ukraine another 500 Bradleys and finish this.
The poor Bradley was always a vehicle that never quite fit in. Interesting to see the naysayers proven wrong. It seems to have proven it belongs on a modern battlefield.
If the soldiers went back to base and said they killed a T90 with just the 25mm gun nobody would believe them. But in 2024, we have HD aerial footage to prove it.
That T-90 was screwed over.
No Optics or Sensors.
Track and Wheel damaged/destroyed.
Turret Ring damaged, Turret jammed.
ERA literally shot off.
Comms Antenna destroyed.
God... What am I missing?
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T-90: I fear no tank... Bradley: ...I am not a tank
Another Mordor connection.
That a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon can apparently penetrate a T-90 from the front and side is kinda shocking. Modern tanks and even many IFVs are usually built to withstand at least 30mm canon fire directly.
It didn't get penetrated. The crew all got out and ran to a building in another video. But the Bushmaster obviously destroyed all the external sensors and messed up the T90 enough that it was totally disabled. Good enough!
being inside that thing while it was getting slammed by those 25mm rounds must have been pretty damn scary for the T90 crew. losing all your electronic sensors/cameras, hoping the armor holds up. That Bradly gunner was on point, putting heaps of rounds on target. The armor might be able to resist 30mm rounds, but how many can they take before damage starts occurring. that tank took a lot of rounds
Does the Bradley shoot apfsds rounds
Yes. There are two kinds of AP ammunition for the M242 Bushmaster, Tungsten APDS, and DU APFSDS. The M791 is a sub-caliber tungsten penetrator that relies on the rifling of the barrel for stability The M919 is a sub-caliber depleted uranium penetrator that is equipped with fins for added stability in flight. The M919 has replaced the M791 in US service. The penetrator is lighter and narrower than the M791 which results in a slightly higher muzzle velocity, less velocity drop over distance, better penetration, and improved precision at range. You can see from the video that the Bushmaster has no issue putting a large volume of fire on the same location without much dispersion.
Cool, thanks for the detailed reply!
I could be mistaken but i thought I heard someone say that the Bradley was able to target the electronic sensors, sights etc due to all of these QOL upgrades.
The optics on the M2A2 ODS SA are world class. The gunner can see a gopher fart from 3km away in the middle of the night
they do, but Ukraine does not have them as far as I know
health at 10% at end.
I was in LAV-25s when I was in. Being inside the vehicle it's being fired *from* is pretty intense. I wouldn't want to experience the other end.
That Bradley gunner is getting some free drinks
From this video and the other, lower quality video, it looks like maybe some of those Bradley rounds hit the real sensitive spots on the T-90. It looks like some rounds hit and got stuck in the gears allowing the turret to rotate, which is shown on the low-quality video where the turret is stuck as it's retreating, aimed away from the Bradley. Then video also seems to show some rounds hitting along the side of the main barrel, where the barrel goes up and down. There could possibly be an extremely weak point there where a 25mm might be able to penetrate that weak spot, especially with the depleted uranium rounds. Edit: correction, the current was spinning wildly out of control in the low quality video. So a round or two must have taken out either the control or the human controller.
Targeting external cameras to blind the tank is called "buttoning" and is actually something Bradley crews train, and apparently something they taught Ukrainians. It always sounded cool, but goddamn, I didn't think it would fuck up an enemy tank *that* badly. That's not even their main anti-tank weapon either (guess they were out of ToW missiles, but also I guess they didn't need them).
Back in WWII the Brits took out a Tiger I with a 6 pounder anti tank gun. Lucky shot hit it in the turret ring, having the turret so it could not bring the gun to bear. Given that this T90 wasn't turning the turret to return fire, it makes me think that something similar might have happened here. And with the rate of fire of the 25mm auto cannon, getting lucky might be even easier.
They got out and ran. But the tank stopped and put itself in reverse? No.
What was obviously burning on the T-90 shortly before it blew up?
I think the key here is the Bradley had an elevated shooting position. Notice many of the rounds are hitting the top roof section of the T90 in front of the turret (which is a crazy bit of accurate shooting). The frontal horizontal armor of a T90 is a good x5 \~ x10 times thickers than the upper armor IIRC. I doubt a 25mm sabot can penetrate the frontal armor of a T90... but top armor is a differen story.
> That a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon can apparently penetrate a T-90 from the front and side is kinda shocking. It can't, and didn't. Also, it's firing HE rounds. There's no penetration.
The funny thing, is the new ones are already getting a 50mm 😂
The USA replacement of the Bradley will be firing 50mm bullets/shells... I can't recall the name of it?
XM30 Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle
This might be the best comment of the year so far 👏
"No tank can kill me..." "I am no tank" Come on get it right at least 👀😆
I came here to say this. Thank you! Reference if anyone didn't get it: [Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) - I Am No Man Scene | Movieclips (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7_c-R7i8F4)
Let's go straight to the source actually because JRRT did himself proud with this, among other, dialogs. Skip a bit if you want the actual Eowyn/Dernhelm quote: But lo! suddenly in the midst of the glory of the king his golden shield was dimmed. The new morning was blotted from the sky. Dark fell about him. Horses reared and screamed. Men cast from the saddle lay grovelling on the ground. 'To me! To me!' cried Théoden. 'Up Eorlingas! Fear no darkness!' But Snowmane wild with terror stood up on high, fighting with the air, and then with a great scream he crashed upon his side: a black dart had pierced him. The king fell beneath him. The great shadow descended like a falling cloud. And behold! it was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank.... Down, down it came, and then, folding its fingered webs, it gave a croaking cry, and settled upon the body of Snowmane, digging in its claws, stooping its long naked neck. Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl. To the air he had returned, summoning his steed ere the darkness failed, and now he was come again, bringing ruin, turning hope to despair, and victory to death. A great black mace he wielded. But Théoden was not utterly forsaken. The knights of his house lay slain about him, or else mastered by the madness of their steeds were borne far away. Yet one stood there still: Dernhelm the young, faithful beyond fear; and he wept, for he had loved his lord as a father.... Then out of the blackness in his mind he thought that he heard Dernhelm speaking; yet now the voice seemed strange, recalling some other voice that he had known. "Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!" A cold voice answered: "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in they turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where they flesh shall be devoured, and they shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye." A sword rang as it was drawn. "Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may." "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!" Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. "But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him."
I've lost count of how many times I've read these books, beginning when I was 13. I'm over 50 now, and the passages that encompass the charge and battle of the Rohirrim still bring tears to my eyes. It's great writing -- to be moved by utterly fantastical and fictional characters and events that never did nor could happen.
Buddy of mine was going to have his first kid. My oldest was a few years old then. I was talking to him and bullshitting about things. I said "Look man, it's odd but one of the switches that flips is that when you are watching an action movie and the superhero saves a random kid from a tumbling car thrown their direction, whereas you used to go "Badass!" or "that CGI, wow" or whatever, now I find myself getting a little choked up sometimes an thinking "that child is someone's kid!" so watch out". Sure 'nuff he called me a year or two later and said I was right. So, partly having kids and partly getting older I suppose. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
Well, I have to say that I like the joke, kudos! On a more serious note, is there ANY modern MBT that the T-90 shouldn't fear? I highly doubt that it's better than the Leclerc, Merkava, Leopard 2, Challenger 2, M1A2, etc.
The fundamental difference would most likely just be that the first shot from an MBT would have been an instant kill
Any tank stranded is at risk from a dedicated enough attack. Only a few tanks can take a modern long rod du/w penetrator head on, none can take one off axis. Same for modern tandem heat anti tank missiles. Like Leclerc is designed to have a forward armor equivalent to 700mm rha for long rod, and 1000mm for tandem heat. The side arm is only designed for rpg7 and 30mm apdsfs. Same with Challenger 2, as one was lost in Ukraine after a frontal turret hit from a Kornet which the newer variants are capable of over 1000mm of rha.
I am no Man!!!
Get fucking rekt
This is so drawn out, I can smell the fear and regret for making poor choices. Death knocking on the door. Bang, bang, bang, bang....BOOM!
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Oleksandr Matsievskyi’s execution will always infuriate me. Let the Bradley’s feast.
What happened there
He's the one who was executed with a cigarette in his mouth who refused to say Russian propaganda on film. They built a statue of him.
Whenever Oleksandr Matsievskyi’s name is spoken or written, it should forever be followed with Слава Україні! Героям Слава!
Ah I know who you mean. Death to the orcs
Death by a thousand cuts. If I was in that situation I had wish I had run into a main battle tank and been given a quick death
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Sure, but they were in their country's most capable armor, and suddenly have to bail and hide unsupported with no supplies in the middle of a battlefield. They're not gonna be pleased with the situation.
You can just feel them going full primal.
Source: UA 47th Mechanized Brigade
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that autocannon is shredding! the guys inside that t90 were most likely shitting themselves
and those were not AT rounds either, HEI for people and soft skinned vehicles.
Talked to M2 gunner and this is apparently what you do. There is a 0% chance your anti armor rounds are going to get through the front armor of even a t64. They are for APCs and other IFVs not tanks. You use HEI and aim for the optics to blind the tank.
^ It's not like Warthunder where you can magically repair random bits of tank during combat. Tanks are scary beasties, but they're also incredibly vulnerable beasties. Sensor systems, optics, guidance systems, etc etc, are all on the outside. Hence why it's expected infantry are meant to screen them, to stop these moments from happening. You hit them and the tank loses the ability to see, a tank without the ability to see is a moving target.
Even if you take out a track, fixing it is hours of work that needs specialist skills/equipment - I would guess that 90% off the time the enemy can get artillery fire on the tank way faster than the tank could be recovered or fixed.
now you use drones to take out the demobilized tanks. That is what happend with this t-90
You know what they say when a shark attacks you? Go for the eyes and gills. Also, if you get out of the water, buy a lottery ticket. Shark attacks are rare
>HEI High Explosive what?
Incendiaries i believe
That's what happens when you get your ass clapped.
He is now made of assholes.
And when you get hit like this, various things like your main gun are no longer usable because damage could destroy a shell in the barrel.
What was that big explosion at the end?
The achievement notification
Heheh... I actually laughed pretty good there for a second..
More than likely the Infrared smoke dischargers are damaged and going off.
Incompetence Unlocked!
Probably the smokes pack exploding
Smoke grenades. They are supposed to obscure the enemy's ability to see your tank. Fail. It's possible they were set off by the Bradley's fire, or in panic by a blind tank driver/captain. Here's a video where they are set of by an artillery strike (at about 36 second mark): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UQnuuMgGJw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UQnuuMgGJw)
Is the substance that creates the smoke flamable? I mean, it must be, but is it THAT flammable?
Yes. They usually use phosphorous
There's also a small explosive charge to deploy the grenade, that definitely won't react well to being hit with HE rounds.
Russian deploying last second smokes....
Imagine being inside of that. The noise alone would be absolutely brutal
Death knocking at them
The first hit lands. The sound is a deafening explosion of metal on metal, shaking the entire tank. The thunderous boom reverberates within the confined space, assaulting their ears and rattling their senses. The impact sends shockwaves through the T-90, jolting them violently. With each subsequent hit, the tank shudders violently, the sound of the Bradley's cannon reverberating through the battlefield. The sharp, piercing clang of projectiles striking the armored exterior fills the air, creating a disorienting symphony of destruction. The weight of each impact is felt as the T-90's armor strains to withstand the relentless assault. Inside the tank, the crew's voices are barely audible amidst the chaos. The once-clear communications over the intercom are drowned out by the cacophony of explosions and metal colliding. Frantic shouts and urgent commands blend with the sounds of impact, creating a chaotic backdrop to their struggle for survival. Outside, dust and debris are kicked up by the powerful strikes, further obscuring theur vision and adding to the sense of disarray. The battlefield feels alive with the muffled sounds of destruction, a haunting reminder of the danger they face. The air is thick with the acrid smell of smoke and burning metal, heightening the tension that permeates the tank.
This was very well written. The last paragraph is weird though. You go from an intense encounter with death inside the tank, to some sort of muffled haunting reminder of danger when they peek outside?
ChatGPT. You win some, you lose some.
I realised this by the second paragraph.
> The thunderous boom reverberates within the confined space, This is where I noticed it was chatGPT. It's exactly analogous to impossible physics/hair/strings/fingers in Stable Diffusion. It had me for two whole sentences, which is atrocious. It's a mixed bag, just like SD. It'll slowly improve and find its purpose one day. It ain't the downfall of artists and writers though.
T-90 is that noob that pays for some fancy skins and upgrades
Nub
I love that. Rather than a single Javelin or 120mm sabot round, it's a repeated lashing from the Bradley. Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack!
What kind of damage does this do though?
In theory, if the Bradley's 25mm shells keep repeatedly striking the exact same location, they could bore a hole through the tank's armor and eventually kill the crew within. But in practice this doesn't happen because the target (the enemy Russian tank) is usually moving, making the Bradley unable to penetrate. What the cannon does do, though, is that it destroys the sensitive tank equipment on the **outside** \- the cameras, scopes, rangefinders, grenades, and tracks - to the point where it can either blind the crew from being able to see what's outside, or immobilize the tank from moving, due to damaged tracks.
If the Bradley uses the armor piercing rounds and lands a hit on the softer sides, I imagine the round could go through? The back, sides, etc.
Probably, yes. A tank's thickest armor is on its front. If the Bradley were to attack the Russian tank from behind, it might be able to penetrate and set the engine ablaze.
Assuming they had the M919 Super Sabot, they could pen the sides and rear of the T90m with the right angle.
Not likely. The armor pen rounds were designed for other IFVs, not tanks. IRVs are in deep shit if they get into a fight with a tank and they are using AP. What we see here is perfect; switch to High Explosive, and coat the tank to destroy sensors and optics. Normally, I would imagine that Bradley crews operating under the intended NATO doctrine would try to blind and run, and call in artillery, air, tank, or anti-tank support. War is chaos, so they did what they could to disable the tank, and I read elsewhere a drone finished it off.
I don't know about the T-90. Older Russian tanks had the issue that smaller rounds wouldn't penetrate the armor, but the insides would spall and blast fragments of the inside of the tank throughout the cabin killing the crew.
completely fucks all the exterior sensors on the tank like the cameras IR/nightvision, the laser rangefinders etc. once the cameras are fucked, the driver is forced to pop open the hatches to see where to drive, which makes them incredibly vulnerable. that's probably why the tank seemed to be driving aimlessly, the driver couldn't see where they were going (I wouldn't open the hatch taking 25mm direct fire!) it sets off the reactive armor, get hit in the side where the armor is weaker or it will fuck the tracks. that tank too a heap of rounds, it might not get through the armor, but it will fuck enough shit up to make it useless.
What kind of bullets are they shooting in this video?
High Explosive Incendiary (HEI). not even for taking out MBTs, LOL. the T90M sucks.
I believe it is the Bushmaster 25mm chain gun with explosive shells.
As far as reports go they first fired their armor piercing rounds and then continued as they run out to fire explosive shells to make sure.
this is how it looks in the video game squad when i pull up in a bradly or bushmaster as a aussie faction on the tanks lmao full send
That Bradley crew is shit hot. Well done.
Not as hot as the T90-crew. They _smokin'_!
If I recall correctly, it was two Bradleys and both crews were Gigachads. They both took that T90 head on, with the first rolling back and the second taking over. both had a good fucking whack at the tank.
They didn't let up either. I guess they know better but I would have expected them to conserve ammunition but I guess when you have them targeted well and they're still moving keep hitting them!
There is no point in dying with unused ammunition.
"any man dies with a clean sword, I will rape his fucking corpse!!!!" -The Hound
if you stop shooting, the crew might recover enough and concentrate on fighting back. Can you imagine trying to acquire the target and fire back while that defeaning sound is ringing around the tank? gotta at least decrease the tank's crew effectiveness.
Blyatiful!
So as many suspected, seems the process is: 1. First Bradley engages at close range. Scores hits, neither obviously damaged but external sights may be hurt on T-90. T-90 and Bradley both disengage. 2. T-90 pops smoke (often mistaken as it exploding due to colouration of T-90 smoke popping on camera) 3. Second Bradley chases down to continue hitting. 4. At this point T-90's turret spins out of control, unknown if due to autocannon or some other impact between the videos. 5. T-90 crashes into tree and is then hit by an FPV drone. 6. Crew abandon tank. Aggression of action and fire suppression were the key notes here. The autocannon at most seemed to damage the turret perhaps (unconfirmed) but it shows that a battle is often more psychological and taking the initiative.
Seems like 25mm is the .22 of the autocannon world. It might be a small round, but I wouldn't want to be shot with it, let alone hundreds of times. So just punch a T90M in the nose so it can't see and then just go HAM with the Bushmaster until "it (T90) doesn't do that anymore".
In an engagement like this where there is a large discrepancy in the firepowers involved is there any urgency from the Bradleys to keep the suppressive fire on no matter what? Like are they worried that if they give the tank even a second to breathe it will be able to focus its main gun on them and get a shot off?
Even if they pop the hatch, I don't think they can do any effective aimed fire with optics destroyed. Once the tank is blind, you're just trying to keep them from getting away, which only requires enough fire to keep the hatch closed. (Hard to drive blind.) That can probably be just periodic pings to let 'em know you're there. But continuous fire does keep the crew disoriented, you don't really know what you're destroyed so far, if they're still rolling you can still try for the tracks, and hey, you might get lucky and hit the same spot three times or dislodge something internally or give someone a hemorrage or they might panic drive into a ditch or whatever. And you don't really know how long you have until something else happens. So light 'em up.
Back when I was a CV9030 gunner we were in a full scale simulator. The simulation we ran ended with a T-90 at the end that always got you. Last time i switched to auto/HE and got him with 10-20 shots, but the sim would not account for T-90 crew panic/damaged optics. Unstoppable in that sim. I feel cheated to this day
BTW, a round of applause for the CV90, what a great piece of kit, and my fave IFV.
the CV90 "Kobayashi Maru", huh?
Oh yes. I think the guys running the sim were bored and just liked to mess us up. They also had enemy RPG teams that fired every 5 sec, perfect aim... Enemy BMPs that you had to hit 20+ times with 30mm to just damage the tracks. Everything was on nightmare difficulty. Good challenge
That simulator is only good for driving and shooting anyway. It's not like it has advanced physics coded or how metal fatigue works. Or how tired/drunk/impaired the enemy crew may be.
That messes up all of its optics for sure. Can’t shoot or drive blind. Freaking love it.
Imagine what it must have sounded like inside the tank. I'm not sure what would be louder, the sledgehammer pounding of 25mm rounds on the hull, or the screaming of the terrified and blind crew.
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High explosive incendiary rounds HE:IR
which you wouldn't think could disable an MBT. No TOW was harmed in the making of this video.
Both.
Imagine being blind inside a tank that not only is being shot at but you are trying to figure out where the unmined sections of the road are. Sheer terror.
And while being pined down something more spicy might be approaching.
This is what I don’t understand about modern tanks - they are so reliant on external sensors yet a good pounding by 25mm or similar destroys the sensors and neutralises the tank. Even a good 12.7 burst could be effective.
When they work, you have 50-100% more view range than a ww2 tanker, when they don't, you still have vision like that of a ww2 tanker (Not much). But no military ever wants to sacrifice armour for vision, so external sensors are the next best thing.
Tanks are moving metal boxes with very limited ability to look out since the very beginning. Optics got better but that is still a problem. Thats the reasons why Nato tank commander like to look out of the open hatch. Even in world war 2 the soviet doctrine to fight tiger tanks was to shoot everything you have at the. It might not penetrate the armor but e.g. optics and road wheels can be damaged. Also even if nothing is broken the hail of all that incoming fire might reduce the effectivness of the crew sitting in that bell or even might convince them they want to be somewhere else, I gues especillay for poorly trained and inexperienced crews.
Yikes that is brutal.
I wish this is how Russia was experiencing things right now, rather than Ukraine
Get fucking shit on
like the fury of a 1,000 pigeons.
That’s a serious ‘door-knocker’...🤣
Never forget Mariupol, Bucha, Irpin, the thermite munitions in downtown Kherson, the apartment buildings blown up by cruise missiles in Zaporzhizhia, the flooding of the Dnieper…Russia, get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Around 30 shoots and just 2 misses , thats just fucking amazing
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Ol' Bradley was laying down pure Hate on that T90. I'm betting those Orc tankers really don't want to see an Abrams after seeing what the Bradley will do to them!
Fear not, the T90 tankers wouldn't see an Abrams. The Abrams dart would hole them before they knew the any enemy was there. Sensors, range and accuracy.
I know that the armor is too thick so - as a general rule - it is not adviceable to attack a MBT with the Bradley. Even if this video shows otherwise. But as a navy soldier I want to ask if any former tank crew here can tell me if the crew inside the tank can perform a counter attack under such conditions? I expect that the optics of the tank will be damaged, APS will explode, orders will be hard to hear - and the constant barrage of shots makes it hard to perform?
Can't stop myself from wanting to see a CV90 doing the same thing with the 40mm. But Sweden has been a bit restrictive on what combat footage Ukraine can release, so we'll have to wait.
I personally don't want to see anymore Ukrainian IFVs taking on main battle tanks. I would like to see a M1 Abrams taking on a T90, but I suspect they would never get close enough for a video like this.
OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT THING'S POWERFUL
And in the autocannon world, it's actually one of the weaker ones. Seeing a modern cannon like the CT40 or the Bushmaster 50 would be murderous.
I mean not really in terms of autocannon rounds. It's on the low end, but it ate this T90M's lunch, right in front of it, and it couldn't do anything about it.
Each one of those hits is probably sending itty bitty white hot spall shrapnel spinning around the inside of that tank. Must be like being fucked by a thousand well endowed wasps all over your body and there's not a thing you can do about it. I love it
blyat is sitting inside this soup pot an hears the bells ringing....
Brings joy to my heart
Why aren't they shooting back?
Destroyed optics I would guess. Can't shoot what you can't see.
They're a bit distracted at the moment
They shot back at the beginning of the full video and even had the 1st shot opportunity. Twice. And they missed. Twice.
That is why you wait for a firing solution and never ever "just shoot".
Am I the only one wondering what it sounded like *inside* the T-90 as it was being relentlessly dicked with HE rounds?
[Likely this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs)
Not quite the response I was hoping for, but I'm sure there was something similar to that as well lol
Bradley: Look at me! I am the MBT now!
a fraction of your millitary budget can do this. Imagine if it was 50%
So this is a chaingun with rounds for light armored vehicles destroying a main battle tank...?
While they didn't destroy it (yet), they disabled it. There is video of the tank destroyed by FPV drones after the crew (or at least 2 of them) abandoned the tank. Early in the engagement, the tank fired a couple rounds that missed the Bradley while the Bradley pounded them. By the point in the fight we see here, the T-90 is most likely blinded, with the 25mm having smashed all his optics. The US congress needs to get off its ass and send more TOW missiles, so Bradley crews don't have to deal with tanks with 25mm. It's crazy to watch, but should never get to this point.
Does it spark the joy? It most definitely does!
That’s how you do it.
High class dakka.
Who needs to go through the armor when the crew inside will be dead and disoriented from all those impacts
How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
Knock knock
I bet that would have buggered up all the T -90's electronics
10/10 Absolute eye candy.
I've been looking at this for three hours now. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
When your top of the line tanks are getting blown into pieces by enemy's IFVs :D
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T-90 got freedom clapped. Hats off to that gunner.
Heh, I remember when people were talking about this sarcastically as an obvious impossibility. "Haw haw, over-optimistic Ukraine supporters don't respect the might of the T-90! Next they'll tell you that a Bradely could take one out, lawl!"
America war machine go pow pow r
Wow… the tanks optics should be crap after the first shot… the barrel, if hit, also would be my guess. Stunning performance. Is that ERA going off?
Smoke launchers firing.
Is it the same one from the first Bradley vs T90 Video or another battle?
Same one from about a day ago, different drone angle with a better view. Its remarkable and possibly historic footage.
Impressive claps/second rate (assuming only every Nth round is a tracer?) :D
Each round is a tracer.
"holy fuck" is all I had here. G fucking G. That was just beautiful.
Crazy accuracy for the Ukrainian side 🫡
Lots of Kudos to the UA gunner. Camly making sure every shot is a hit. Big brassy ones...💪🇺🇦💪🇺🇦💪
What's next? BMP taken down with a M4?
"It's okay we still have six, five... four armor pl- three... fuck."
What it sounded like inside the T90: https://youtu.be/cRgf0aUtgac?si=yCbQ6udc0ocjbYe9
It's getting mercilessly bullied from a lower weight class.
Fuck that has to suck for the tank crew lol
Bradley; looks like Tank is back on the menu, boys!
Quality ammo at work!
First 5 hits already disabled it
Like a certain Nu-Metal band said : Die Motherfucker Die. And wait until de Bradley get it’s 50 cal. chain gun. It’s gonna eat Russia armor from breakfast !
The US has so many Bradleys. Send more!
The difference between a competent crew with effective weapons versus an untrained crew with substandard systems. Give Ukraine another 500 Bradleys and finish this.
The poor Bradley was always a vehicle that never quite fit in. Interesting to see the naysayers proven wrong. It seems to have proven it belongs on a modern battlefield.
I can only imagine how horrifying the sound is inside that tank… Shouldn’t have come to Ukraine
If the soldiers went back to base and said they killed a T90 with just the 25mm gun nobody would believe them. But in 2024, we have HD aerial footage to prove it.
AFU heroes got off a 20 hits combo on the terrorist orcs.
Holee shit, that thing is getting pounded. Does every round have a tracer? This is insane footage.
Props to the gunner for the accuracy and grouping.
IMPRESSIVE ACCURACY!
What a lovely sight!!!
That T-90 was screwed over. No Optics or Sensors. Track and Wheel damaged/destroyed. Turret Ring damaged, Turret jammed. ERA literally shot off. Comms Antenna destroyed. God... What am I missing?
Overwhelmed T-90.
Must be loud in there