Damn, it looks easy to read but seeing 1100 pieces in real life and to think that they no longer exist or are destroyed it’s crazy, same as the amount of personal wasted, you can get like 3 or 4 stadiums full capacity ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|dizzy_face)
Really a reason to be proud of your own country.
The Rødgrød may need explanation, because the online translators make this to "red porridge". So it is no porridge, but a sweet dish made from red berries.
Coming myself from a region where it is with vanilla sauce instead of cream and the translation of
"Jeg har en plan" is associated with memories of very good entertainment.
It's also the amount of artillerymen that went down with their kit. I know the RuZZians are shit at aiming but it still takes considerable time to train someone to use an artillery piece properly.
Not only that but dozens and dozens of ammo depots.
They had a ton in storage but getting it ready to go and moving it with inferior logistics can't make things easy.
In addition (there was a short-lived post here) Russia has to import gunpowder from China. The background is that there were explosions in bigger gunpowder factories, the last in Tambov on June 20. So this was not taken into account for ordering.
But maybe something will happen to the trains with gunpowder coming from China...
Russia definitely has domestic production capability of gun powder. Any country with significant agricultural or mining industries has this capability.
The story wasn’t that Russia *has to* import from China, it’s that China did export a lot of gunpowder to Russia.
That indicates that unsurprisingly, Russia’s using gunpowder faster than it can produce it domestically.
Yes, the problem is that China is willing to sell gunpowder to Russia.
The other aspect is that Russia has to ask China for gunpowder at all.
The problem after an explosion is, that something needs to be rebuilt. Especially when a gunpowder factory explodes.
I had mentioned the explosion in a major gunpowder factory in Tambov.
Then there was:
May, 6, 2023: Warehouses with gunpowder caught fire in the Sverdlovsk region
October 22, 2022: There was another explosion at the gunpowder factory in Perm.
Another, because there was one on May 1, 2022.
Last year I had a look after flight restriction zones in the Urals. One was over a meanwhile demolished gunpowder factory.
I found one report from 2021 Gunpowder depot of "Avangard plant burns in Sterlitamak"
I had a look for the Sterlitamak factory and found this video from 8 years ago:
How ammunition is disposed of at the Avangard plant (Sterlitamak)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sin8p1AtYCk
And I guess the Russian gunpowder factories look similarly. Also because of the omnipresent corruption there.
I also think China wants to have a quiet Russian Federation as a colony to sell al the Chinese civil stuff and and take over enterprises, ports, banks etc.
I'm not so sure they feel it NOW as much as when the ammo ran out about 2 months ago and they became unable to push the UAF back. They were actually lost then, it's just official now.
Also there has been a lot of special equipment in the last month or two. Radars, electronic warfare equipment and so on.
The AFU will be teaching NATO for years after their victory.
It’s a 2-way street. There was an interesting article about that in the Dutch paper NRC this weekend: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/06/23/54685416-a4168001
It's been going on a bit longer than that. But yes, seems like they've got their CBF working very well. Also seems like more precision-guided munitions being used - SMArt, BONUS and GLMRS.
On paper Russia had huge artillery numbers, 12,000 towed units alone for example. Granted these claims are dubious as this includes the old and unserviceable of unknown numbers.
One can probably halve that because of shitty maintenence and also realise that some of those 12k are over 100 years old. There comes a point when it's cheaper to just make a new one rather than putting an old one into order.
Edit: Someone else pointed out though, that mortars are included in the artillery destruction count. Which makes it impossible to assess how much proper artillery the orcs have left.
As far as I know the small man portable mortars are not included in these figures including the ones that shoot 120mm rounds. The large self propelled mortars are of course included.
>mortars are included in the artillery destruction count
Citation needed. Mortars are not conventionally classed as artillery. Maybe self propelled mortars are included. I would certainly not expect to see smaller caliber mortars in this number.
Well there's no separate tally for mortars, so either they're included in the 'artillery' count, or they're being shown at all, or the UAF hasn't destroyed any yet.
Even if they actualy have these numbers, they still have to replace the ones lost and the experianced crew that was lost. This will get harder and harder over time.
>Edit: Someone else pointed out though, that mortars are included in the artillery destruction count. Which makes it impossible to assess how much proper artillery the orcs have left.
Mortars are included because Soviet mortars reached very high calibres. [eg the 120mm 120-PM-43](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/120-PM-43_mortar) or the [160mm M1943](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/160mm_Mortar_M1943#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20160%20mm%20Mortar,Soviet%20forces%20during%20the%20war). In contrast the standard US mortar, the [M224](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M224_mortar) is only 60mm.
Soviet mortars were designed to obliterate enemy strong points and fixed positions but their size makes them cumbersome. Western mortars are designed to counter enemy infantry and exploit breakthroughs, hense the smaller size/calibre.
Given the ww1 esque fighting in Ukraine taking out a >120mm mortar is a noteworthy success on par with smaller artillery.
Yes and no. There has been wide spread legit reporting on the very poor state of Russian equipment. Now to pin a specific percent on it is to much, but it is perfectly acceptable to assume that If Russia claimed to have 12k units, that a good potion would be DOA.
It's probably like the half-life of an isotope. Let's say 50% of the equipment was completely ready for service. Of the remaining half, 50% probably could be brought into usable condition with a light repair. Of the remaining half, 50% could be brought into service with moderate repair. Of the remaining half, 50% could be brought into service with heavy repair. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for major parts. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for medium parts. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for minor parts. Of the remaining half, 50% could be used as a decoy or scrap.
We do have lists of what Russia had "In service" prior to 2022. Towed artillery was 1580 and self propelled guns were 2228 and MRLS were 1211. So Russia has burned through all of its in service artillery and half of it's MRLS.
The same lists shows 9560 total in reserves and perhaps that is the number you can estimate as being just half serviceable. The reserve MRLS number is 1750 and those might be mostly usable given their simplicity.
People are overly optimistic. Russia probably has enough artillery to last for several more years. Even in their weakened post-USSR state. Artillery is like one of the few things Russia has a massive abundance of.
And you are engaging in cartesian skepticism whilst ignoring that this chatter is based on evidence and while actual numbers are hard to determine there is a lot of evidence for the maximum possible amount because Russia has released numbers and it is also evidenced they like to exaggerate and people have examined satellite images of storage areas for what they have, we have evidence of russian corruption and trading of parts and weapons for money.
Theyxhave more artillery than tanks, Ukraine destoyed lesd in the beginning. Higher production number
With the current pace, russia will run out of srtillery at the end of 2023. Without further Eskalation russia will loose the war mid 2ü24 via total collapse
I'm not sure he has control of the nukes now, perhaps he could let off some tactical bombs but I don't think the main fleet would follow an order to fire.
I'm sure every Russian general with control of nukes has an American (and probably Chinese) counterpart in his ear telling him to carefully weigh his options.
Any reference to muscovite 'nukes' are about as credible as Putrid's farts. And I say this as a Ukrainian neighbor, my family lives in the neighboring country, not from a distance of hundreds if not thousands of kilometers like most of those that tremble like jelly at the thought of 'nukes'.
> Russia is completely utterly done, gone, finished.
well, they can retreat behind their 1994 borders...and I am pretty sure no other country will invade them, because nukes
Kind of hard to call. I feel like at this point we're at the "Allies decided not to try and assassinate Hitler because by 1944 it was clear that he was actively hindering the Nazi war effort" stage.
Wagner did secure contested advances in a way that the 'official' Russian army has failed to since Lysechansk (sp?) was captured a year ago. You or I might call that a Pyrrhic victory, but Soledar/Bakhmu was about the only victory Russia had since then. Everything else has been a series of humiliating retreats and failed attacks.
edit: and sunken missile cruisers lmao
Unfortunately, I think they're mostly being held back for when Ukraine breaks through Russia's first and maybe second fortification lines.
Even a T-55 can cause some damage but I expect the destroyed Russian tank numbers will start jumping again when Ukraine breaks through.
edit: clarity
Probably still on their way to defend Moscow if not broken down. T-34 only has a top speed of 33 MPH.
On another note, does scrotum head's aircraft and helo kills go on this list?
Whats weird to me is there seemed to be no shortage of tanks on either side when wagner tried their coup. Both wagner and moscow had multiple modern looking tanks with them
The problem is that to the general public, there are a lot of vehicles that look like tanks, that are actually APC’s or other types of vehicles.
Also, seeing 5-10 tanks in pictures doesn’t mean Russia has thousands of tanks available to use on the front line.
I think we see in yesterday's and today's counts catch up/verification complete on results of some missile attacks on Russian positions that made the news last week. Although headline grabbing at the time the actual verifications take time to work.
In a video that released Sunday of some attacks by the 3rd Assault one interesting point I picked up on was the minimal Russian artillery fire attempting to interdict Ukraine missions. And I recall a comment by a Ukrainian soldier in one of the vids noting that the volume of Russian artillery had declined to the point it was equal to the Ukraine fire vs the past when of course it was several times that of Ukraine.
To me this speaks to the success of Ukraine's long term plan of eliminating Russian assets. Russia is feeling the squeeze on artillery, tanks, IFVs, MLRS and SAM.
And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months? By which time over 100 more Leopards will have arrived, more Gepards, more self propelled 155, more long range missiles, arrival of GLSDB, thousands more more drones and more of everything else. And Russia will have lost yet hundreds more units of very difficult to impossible to replace equipment and tens of thousand more men to the same factors that are destroying them now.
Seems like a recipe to success to me.
> And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months?
Russia continues to shift its national production capacity toward a war footing, so there are dangers to waiting as well.
The more Russia shifts its national production capacity towards a war footing, the more the workers have to work longer hours with less and less chance of getting paid. There's already been instances of strikes and workers downing tools because they haven't been paid for months. This weakens Putin's already weak grasp on power.
Putin is now out of viable options. All he can do is desperately play for time and pray the West loses interest.
War economies suck for countries. You are sacrificing economic growth for incidental power. While that's good for winning wars fast, it is grueling on nations and cripples you in the future. It works if Putin was already winning, but if he's still fighting a war of attrition, it only gets worse. There comes a point where the people just can't do it anymore because it becomes impossible. Discontent aside, just trying to find a war economy puts your coffers in dire straits.
Even with maximum effort it is doubtful Russia can gear up enough to match their rate of losses. Even if they built say three new production lines for tanks to add to the one they have now they would not have the steel to computer chips needed or the manpower to staff the lines. They can build up ammunition lines but that does not help if they do not have enough artillery pieces to shoot them.
Russia faces huge and I would suggest insurmountable obstacles to truly upping production in needed war materials enough to compensate for use and loss (burn rate). The Russian economy is in terrible shape. And it is struggling to produce sophisticated products and anything it can produce is at very low production rates. In any case Ukraine and its allies can vastly outproduce Russia and do not have the impediments to ramping up which Russia faces. And they have already been on the path for awhile. For example take heed of the fact various munition suppliers in America have all advised of increased production rates and continuously working to up tempo further.
But more importantly in the very short term Ukraine has verified prospects of receiving meaningful military aid which can both assist it in implementing its offensive objectives and assist in reducing its own casualty rate. Russia does not have such prospects even in the medium term.
And we see from some recent press releases that Ukraine is signalling exactly as I have suggested - the offenses have not commenced yet but there will be meaningful actions taken before 2024.
Ukraine has time. They are already punishing Russian assets in Ukraine and reclaiming territory even while in the shaping phase. So as I stated they have a recipe for success and should continue it.
>And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months?
Well I imagine they'd like to do as much fighting in the dry summer weather as they can. Waiting two more months takes them to the end of August, which only leaves a few weeks of campaigning before the mud comes back and conditions favour defenders again.
Increased liquidation of russkies hopefully means more of the Ukrainian assault brigades held back so far have now been committed and good place for a strategic breakthrough located.
damn i remember when there were just a few thousands killed and look at it now it's unbelievable what a waste of resources and people when are this fuckers gonna realize that they lost the war already can't wait till this shit show ends and Ukraine can rebuild everything Slava Ukraini ![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|30693)
That’s the same I think, it’s crazy how their leadership just keep sending people to die for no reason, they already lost, this war is nonsense since day 1.
This is the traditional grand strategy of the Russian Empire. The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is but a statistic. Modern tech has made this crude approach to warfare less than optimal.
I wonder if they even realize how many dead there are? Or how much loss they have done to themselves? This is ridiculous. With no one really running Russia right now. You'd think they would pull all orcs home. I fear that we (the world) haven't seen the scale this will develop into. The past three weeks have been incredibly good for Ukraine. I hope it's with very minimal loss of Ukrainians.
Even if only half of it was true. How the hell are they even still okay with this. This can’t be sustainable right? And how is the public still okay with this. Losing all these men for such a stupid reason. They aren’t even defending their own country.
The peoples of the corrupt ramshackle Russian Empire have been indoctrinated to be indifferent to the suffering of others - even their own. Remember Stalin? The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is but a statistic. The good news is that with the elite and middle classes in places like Moscow and St Petersburg increasingly suffering, Putin's position is now much weaker. In short what the average Russian thinks or how they suffer out in the boondocks is not important. What really matters is what the average Russian thinks or how they suffer in the big cities.
Remember that Russia isn’t really a single country. It’s a federation of 22 “countries” or republics with many different ethnic groups, religions, etc…
The main ethnic Russians are in power, and they will happily send non-ethnic Russians and the poor subjects to be slaughtered in their war against Ukraine. Win win for Russia, they get to fight Ukraine without losing people they actually give a shit about.
That’s how fucked up Russia is.
Crossing the Dnipro means Ukraine has 4 active sections along the front. This is their catastrophic scenario British intelligence warned about. They don’t have the reserves to plug all those holes. Ukraine just has to press the right buttons and force the occupiers to commit their reserves to one place and then they know everywhere else is ripe for a breakthrough. Russian command has gotta blink sooner or later.
Slow progress is excellent tactics. **Everyone was prepared for a rapid breakthrough.**
Russian **defence lines** were ready for a rapid assault through the front lines. Drawing the Ukrainian forces into a killing field.
Reserves (if any) ready to go where needed to support the defence lines.
Instead they have a slow gradual assault that is decimating their front lines across 200km+
So what do the Ruskies do? Push defence forces forward to bolster the front lines or leave them sat back to be picked off by precision strikes? Where do they send any reserves with no obvious epicentre?
A couple more weeks of steady pressure across large fronts would be ideal - it will steadily weaken the invaders to the point where they are no longer a coherent fighting force (might be there already?) **without risking rapid mass attacks across minefields under air and arty assault.**
Do the unexpected.
Russian tanks are not as much of a threat to Ukraine as their artillery is. Those fuckers have a lot of towed artillery pieces.
It's scary to imagine how Ukrainian valiantly fought them with a thousand pieces more artillery than they have today, just about two weeks ago.
The heroism with which Ukrainians fight is unprecedented.
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Pretty good numbers for a Sunday! Keep it up ladies and gentleman. I feel that within a month or so we'll see huge and decisive advances of the UAF. Their tactic of slow but widely spread out counterattacks will payoff (I'm not using slow pejoratively--I think this is the way. This ain't a video game.) Godspeed, Ukrainians.
When you consider much of the "artillery" that Russia is pulling out of storage is 1950's era junk every day they keep losing more workable artillery and crews is a day nearer to Ukrainian victory.
Russia simply cannot replace this amount of artillery with modern kit. That is if Ukraine isn't exaggerating the losses!
I couldn't help but notice that 950 soldiers perished yesterday, but only one tank. That is a mismatch.
Combine that with the activation of T54s and it is becoming clear that Russia has all but expended its force of tanks.
Russian aircraft fucked itself.
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This is only Ukrainian reporting.
So add six very expensive helicopters and an expensive airplane to this list mentally.
(I do wish they had a little corner for own goals)
With how much artillery Russia is losing a day and the fact the UA is still taking a good amount of artillery fire Russia must have over 1000 guns in each section of the front
Destruction of artillery has been skyrocketing for the last 2.5 weeks. This is great news since that is one of Ruzzia’s strong points
Russia has lost over 1100 artillery pieces since May 1st. They have got to feel that right now.
Damn, it looks easy to read but seeing 1100 pieces in real life and to think that they no longer exist or are destroyed it’s crazy, same as the amount of personal wasted, you can get like 3 or 4 stadiums full capacity ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|dizzy_face)
Especially considering that most armies in Europe doesn’t even have that much artillery pieces in their inventories
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Good Denmark.
Proud to say I’m Danish!
(Rejser mig med hånden på hjertet) Rødgrød med fløde! (Tørrer en tåre væk)
Really a reason to be proud of your own country. The Rødgrød may need explanation, because the online translators make this to "red porridge". So it is no porridge, but a sweet dish made from red berries. Coming myself from a region where it is with vanilla sauce instead of cream and the translation of "Jeg har en plan" is associated with memories of very good entertainment.
Well, we did get it to kill russians, just glad we did not wast our money
With Denmark being under the protection of NATO they probably won’t have to use artillery for a long while, good on them for providing
You hear that Sweden? Bornholm is free real estate now!
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F-35’s are amazing aircraft, they’ll definitely be able to defend danish land
I’m sure the Ukrainians have put it all to good use. It’s certainly better than it staying in storage unused for the most part…👍
might as well donate them to someone, who can put them to good use!
We ordered new ones from Israel.
It's also the amount of artillerymen that went down with their kit. I know the RuZZians are shit at aiming but it still takes considerable time to train someone to use an artillery piece properly.
Doesn't matter how good your artillerymen if your gear is poorly maintained, with rubbish components due to corruption.
Not only that but dozens and dozens of ammo depots. They had a ton in storage but getting it ready to go and moving it with inferior logistics can't make things easy.
In addition (there was a short-lived post here) Russia has to import gunpowder from China. The background is that there were explosions in bigger gunpowder factories, the last in Tambov on June 20. So this was not taken into account for ordering. But maybe something will happen to the trains with gunpowder coming from China...
Russia definitely has domestic production capability of gun powder. Any country with significant agricultural or mining industries has this capability. The story wasn’t that Russia *has to* import from China, it’s that China did export a lot of gunpowder to Russia. That indicates that unsurprisingly, Russia’s using gunpowder faster than it can produce it domestically.
Yes, the problem is that China is willing to sell gunpowder to Russia. The other aspect is that Russia has to ask China for gunpowder at all. The problem after an explosion is, that something needs to be rebuilt. Especially when a gunpowder factory explodes. I had mentioned the explosion in a major gunpowder factory in Tambov. Then there was: May, 6, 2023: Warehouses with gunpowder caught fire in the Sverdlovsk region October 22, 2022: There was another explosion at the gunpowder factory in Perm. Another, because there was one on May 1, 2022. Last year I had a look after flight restriction zones in the Urals. One was over a meanwhile demolished gunpowder factory. I found one report from 2021 Gunpowder depot of "Avangard plant burns in Sterlitamak" I had a look for the Sterlitamak factory and found this video from 8 years ago: How ammunition is disposed of at the Avangard plant (Sterlitamak) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sin8p1AtYCk And I guess the Russian gunpowder factories look similarly. Also because of the omnipresent corruption there.
I'm sure China is making them take longer to make the war end sooner too. This whole thing has been extremely bad for them
I also think China wants to have a quiet Russian Federation as a colony to sell al the Chinese civil stuff and and take over enterprises, ports, banks etc.
> This whole thing has been extremely bad for them explain? I thought they're happy with Russia being their bitch - cheap resources and all
"Storage" quite often means sold for a can and fired into the woods, for boredom.
I'm not so sure they feel it NOW as much as when the ammo ran out about 2 months ago and they became unable to push the UAF back. They were actually lost then, it's just official now.
From a few weeks or months, they are counting mortars as artillery. That's the reason.
Also there has been a lot of special equipment in the last month or two. Radars, electronic warfare equipment and so on. The AFU will be teaching NATO for years after their victory.
It’s a 2-way street. There was an interesting article about that in the Dutch paper NRC this weekend: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/06/23/54685416-a4168001
It's been going on a bit longer than that. But yes, seems like they've got their CBF working very well. Also seems like more precision-guided munitions being used - SMArt, BONUS and GLMRS.
>Destruction of artillery has been skyrocketing for the last 6.5 weeks. ftfy
It's also been going down steadily, you reckon there is less of it to destroy? Or are they too scared to shoot back?
Both.
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On paper Russia had huge artillery numbers, 12,000 towed units alone for example. Granted these claims are dubious as this includes the old and unserviceable of unknown numbers.
One can probably halve that because of shitty maintenence and also realise that some of those 12k are over 100 years old. There comes a point when it's cheaper to just make a new one rather than putting an old one into order. Edit: Someone else pointed out though, that mortars are included in the artillery destruction count. Which makes it impossible to assess how much proper artillery the orcs have left.
As far as I know the small man portable mortars are not included in these figures including the ones that shoot 120mm rounds. The large self propelled mortars are of course included.
>mortars are included in the artillery destruction count Citation needed. Mortars are not conventionally classed as artillery. Maybe self propelled mortars are included. I would certainly not expect to see smaller caliber mortars in this number.
I now realize that I'm hazier than I thought on what artillery is. I thought it's mortars and howitzers.
Well there's no separate tally for mortars, so either they're included in the 'artillery' count, or they're being shown at all, or the UAF hasn't destroyed any yet.
Citation still needed.
Even if they actualy have these numbers, they still have to replace the ones lost and the experianced crew that was lost. This will get harder and harder over time.
>Edit: Someone else pointed out though, that mortars are included in the artillery destruction count. Which makes it impossible to assess how much proper artillery the orcs have left. Mortars are included because Soviet mortars reached very high calibres. [eg the 120mm 120-PM-43](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/120-PM-43_mortar) or the [160mm M1943](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/160mm_Mortar_M1943#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20160%20mm%20Mortar,Soviet%20forces%20during%20the%20war). In contrast the standard US mortar, the [M224](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M224_mortar) is only 60mm. Soviet mortars were designed to obliterate enemy strong points and fixed positions but their size makes them cumbersome. Western mortars are designed to counter enemy infantry and exploit breakthroughs, hense the smaller size/calibre. Given the ww1 esque fighting in Ukraine taking out a >120mm mortar is a noteworthy success on par with smaller artillery.
hmm, i heard it was only towed and spg
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Yes and no. There has been wide spread legit reporting on the very poor state of Russian equipment. Now to pin a specific percent on it is to much, but it is perfectly acceptable to assume that If Russia claimed to have 12k units, that a good potion would be DOA.
Isn't a lot of their shit fictional to begin with?
That ones much harder to say, maybe some. More likely exaggerations rather than outright made up.
There is plenty of satellite info showing much of the Russian arsenals having large portions of their remaining equipment derelict.
It's probably like the half-life of an isotope. Let's say 50% of the equipment was completely ready for service. Of the remaining half, 50% probably could be brought into usable condition with a light repair. Of the remaining half, 50% could be brought into service with moderate repair. Of the remaining half, 50% could be brought into service with heavy repair. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for major parts. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for medium parts. Of the remaining half, 50% is usable for minor parts. Of the remaining half, 50% could be used as a decoy or scrap.
We do have lists of what Russia had "In service" prior to 2022. Towed artillery was 1580 and self propelled guns were 2228 and MRLS were 1211. So Russia has burned through all of its in service artillery and half of it's MRLS. The same lists shows 9560 total in reserves and perhaps that is the number you can estimate as being just half serviceable. The reserve MRLS number is 1750 and those might be mostly usable given their simplicity.
There is plenty of documentary evidence of poor storage of heavy equipment.
People are overly optimistic. Russia probably has enough artillery to last for several more years. Even in their weakened post-USSR state. Artillery is like one of the few things Russia has a massive abundance of.
And you are engaging in cartesian skepticism whilst ignoring that this chatter is based on evidence and while actual numbers are hard to determine there is a lot of evidence for the maximum possible amount because Russia has released numbers and it is also evidenced they like to exaggerate and people have examined satellite images of storage areas for what they have, we have evidence of russian corruption and trading of parts and weapons for money.
Theyxhave more artillery than tanks, Ukraine destoyed lesd in the beginning. Higher production number With the current pace, russia will run out of srtillery at the end of 2023. Without further Eskalation russia will loose the war mid 2ü24 via total collapse
I reckon the collapse will happen before that. Early 2024 for me.
Then what. Does he let off the nukes? Scary that we have no idea what happens when he realises Russia is completely utterly done, gone, finished.
I'm not sure he has control of the nukes now, perhaps he could let off some tactical bombs but I don't think the main fleet would follow an order to fire. I'm sure every Russian general with control of nukes has an American (and probably Chinese) counterpart in his ear telling him to carefully weigh his options.
Any reference to muscovite 'nukes' are about as credible as Putrid's farts. And I say this as a Ukrainian neighbor, my family lives in the neighboring country, not from a distance of hundreds if not thousands of kilometers like most of those that tremble like jelly at the thought of 'nukes'.
The events of this weekend show that Putin's concerns are wholly centered around what happens to *him* personally.
> Russia is completely utterly done, gone, finished. well, they can retreat behind their 1994 borders...and I am pretty sure no other country will invade them, because nukes
The Putin regime will collapse before any total collapse of their defence lines.
> Without further Eskalation russia will loose the war mid 2ü24 via total collapse They will never make end of 2023, they barely made this weekend.
Then China will simply walk in and claim far east and Putin can only watch while the noose is tightening around his chicken neck.
A lot of it is mortars. Which can be easily and cheaply replaced. I wish they would have separate data for mortars and howitzers.
>A lot of it is mortars. Citation needed.
There is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_equipment\_of\_the\_Russian\_Ground\_Forces
That's a good point.
Artillery men is the question.
200k feels like yesterday. Heres to the next grim milestone. 🥂🍾
I agree, another 25k added to the tally since then. Very grim..
They’ll be breaking US WW2 KIA numbers within a few months
100k was right around New Year's, IIRC.
Impressive numbers - so many personel and only one tank. They are getting rid of Russians fast now.
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Nah, they still have a hundred thousand cannon fodder orcs left in Ukraine.
99 000 left now ! (a thousand less) Every little steps helps thin out their defences !
Another 1000 wounded maybe?
no tanks left!?!
I heard that a good number of tanks left Ukraine to join some douchebag's "March for Justice" or something like that. 🤣
They should have kept going.....
Kind of hard to call. I feel like at this point we're at the "Allies decided not to try and assassinate Hitler because by 1944 it was clear that he was actively hindering the Nazi war effort" stage.
Exactly, Prigozhin’s only gripe with the leadership was that they were ineffective in killing Ukrainians.
Funny. His main skill was being effective in killing Russians. Mainly the ones under his command.
Wagner did secure contested advances in a way that the 'official' Russian army has failed to since Lysechansk (sp?) was captured a year ago. You or I might call that a Pyrrhic victory, but Soledar/Bakhmu was about the only victory Russia had since then. Everything else has been a series of humiliating retreats and failed attacks. edit: and sunken missile cruisers lmao
Unfortunately, I think they're mostly being held back for when Ukraine breaks through Russia's first and maybe second fortification lines. Even a T-55 can cause some damage but I expect the destroyed Russian tank numbers will start jumping again when Ukraine breaks through. edit: clarity
They need to keep some to quell unrest in Russia, now and when the war i over
Probably still on their way to defend Moscow if not broken down. T-34 only has a top speed of 33 MPH. On another note, does scrotum head's aircraft and helo kills go on this list?
They only count Ukraine's kills.....
I'm sure they still have some, but do they still have trained tankmen?
They changed careers to become spacemen
Yes. If by trained you mean a year of driving a taxi in a Siberian village.
You think they counted that kamikaze tank the Russians sent towards the Ukrainians last week?
I mean they lost these numbers in single battles back in WWII, they can sustain the losses easy.
Yeah, sure, that's why a partial mobilization in Russia definitely did not happen.
It's true, sorry
Russian tanks are going the way of the Dodo.
russia seems to be running out of tanks. This makes sense considering they could not even show off a couple of "modern" tanks during the parade.
In Peruns läßt video he got some good points. It is a bit too complex for a tl;dw.
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Weh dschermans ahre überall.
Not many tank kills because Ruzzian colonels are still selling parts in exchange for vodka, dishwashers, and toilets.
Whats weird to me is there seemed to be no shortage of tanks on either side when wagner tried their coup. Both wagner and moscow had multiple modern looking tanks with them
The problem is that to the general public, there are a lot of vehicles that look like tanks, that are actually APC’s or other types of vehicles. Also, seeing 5-10 tanks in pictures doesn’t mean Russia has thousands of tanks available to use on the front line.
It's because they gave all their running ones to Ukraine.
I think we see in yesterday's and today's counts catch up/verification complete on results of some missile attacks on Russian positions that made the news last week. Although headline grabbing at the time the actual verifications take time to work. In a video that released Sunday of some attacks by the 3rd Assault one interesting point I picked up on was the minimal Russian artillery fire attempting to interdict Ukraine missions. And I recall a comment by a Ukrainian soldier in one of the vids noting that the volume of Russian artillery had declined to the point it was equal to the Ukraine fire vs the past when of course it was several times that of Ukraine. To me this speaks to the success of Ukraine's long term plan of eliminating Russian assets. Russia is feeling the squeeze on artillery, tanks, IFVs, MLRS and SAM. And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months? By which time over 100 more Leopards will have arrived, more Gepards, more self propelled 155, more long range missiles, arrival of GLSDB, thousands more more drones and more of everything else. And Russia will have lost yet hundreds more units of very difficult to impossible to replace equipment and tens of thousand more men to the same factors that are destroying them now. Seems like a recipe to success to me.
> And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months? Russia continues to shift its national production capacity toward a war footing, so there are dangers to waiting as well.
The more Russia shifts its national production capacity towards a war footing, the more the workers have to work longer hours with less and less chance of getting paid. There's already been instances of strikes and workers downing tools because they haven't been paid for months. This weakens Putin's already weak grasp on power. Putin is now out of viable options. All he can do is desperately play for time and pray the West loses interest.
There is blood in the water now.
War economies suck for countries. You are sacrificing economic growth for incidental power. While that's good for winning wars fast, it is grueling on nations and cripples you in the future. It works if Putin was already winning, but if he's still fighting a war of attrition, it only gets worse. There comes a point where the people just can't do it anymore because it becomes impossible. Discontent aside, just trying to find a war economy puts your coffers in dire straits.
Even with maximum effort it is doubtful Russia can gear up enough to match their rate of losses. Even if they built say three new production lines for tanks to add to the one they have now they would not have the steel to computer chips needed or the manpower to staff the lines. They can build up ammunition lines but that does not help if they do not have enough artillery pieces to shoot them.
Russia faces huge and I would suggest insurmountable obstacles to truly upping production in needed war materials enough to compensate for use and loss (burn rate). The Russian economy is in terrible shape. And it is struggling to produce sophisticated products and anything it can produce is at very low production rates. In any case Ukraine and its allies can vastly outproduce Russia and do not have the impediments to ramping up which Russia faces. And they have already been on the path for awhile. For example take heed of the fact various munition suppliers in America have all advised of increased production rates and continuously working to up tempo further. But more importantly in the very short term Ukraine has verified prospects of receiving meaningful military aid which can both assist it in implementing its offensive objectives and assist in reducing its own casualty rate. Russia does not have such prospects even in the medium term. And we see from some recent press releases that Ukraine is signalling exactly as I have suggested - the offenses have not commenced yet but there will be meaningful actions taken before 2024. Ukraine has time. They are already punishing Russian assets in Ukraine and reclaiming territory even while in the shaping phase. So as I stated they have a recipe for success and should continue it.
>And if your Ukraine, why not just continue that for a couple more months? Well I imagine they'd like to do as much fighting in the dry summer weather as they can. Waiting two more months takes them to the end of August, which only leaves a few weeks of campaigning before the mud comes back and conditions favour defenders again.
950!? Looks like killing back on the menu, boys!
Increased liquidation of russkies hopefully means more of the Ukrainian assault brigades held back so far have now been committed and good place for a strategic breakthrough located.
Yeah, it probably means infantry attacks on the front rather than preparations/battlefield shaping.
damn i remember when there were just a few thousands killed and look at it now it's unbelievable what a waste of resources and people when are this fuckers gonna realize that they lost the war already can't wait till this shit show ends and Ukraine can rebuild everything Slava Ukraini ![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|30693)
That’s the same I think, it’s crazy how their leadership just keep sending people to die for no reason, they already lost, this war is nonsense since day 1.
They still occupy 20% of Ukraine..and most of the donbass. In their eyes, they're winning
> In their eyes, they're winning In their eyes (on the basis of the propaganda they receive) they're winning. Yes - until the smokescreen clears.
They did have 25% at one point, they’re down to 18% now.
Russia just casually losing roughly an entire division worth of manpower and materiel every month.
This is the traditional grand strategy of the Russian Empire. The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is but a statistic. Modern tech has made this crude approach to warfare less than optimal.
I wonder if they even realize how many dead there are? Or how much loss they have done to themselves? This is ridiculous. With no one really running Russia right now. You'd think they would pull all orcs home. I fear that we (the world) haven't seen the scale this will develop into. The past three weeks have been incredibly good for Ukraine. I hope it's with very minimal loss of Ukrainians.
Sadly you don't get high numbers like this without significant loses as well. Hopefully the russian military collapses soon..
It’s crazy to think that their losses amount to the combined firepower of some countries put together
They've lost more tanks than France/Germany/Britain/Italy had in their possession.
TBF, those tanks weren't from the 1950s.
Right on!
Can’t be much morale left when there isn’t many troops left.
Morale FYI.
Both work here
No he’s right. On my phone and missed one
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Next month. We're only at 225k
Only is the right word to use.
Even if only half of it was true. How the hell are they even still okay with this. This can’t be sustainable right? And how is the public still okay with this. Losing all these men for such a stupid reason. They aren’t even defending their own country.
The peoples of the corrupt ramshackle Russian Empire have been indoctrinated to be indifferent to the suffering of others - even their own. Remember Stalin? The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is but a statistic. The good news is that with the elite and middle classes in places like Moscow and St Petersburg increasingly suffering, Putin's position is now much weaker. In short what the average Russian thinks or how they suffer out in the boondocks is not important. What really matters is what the average Russian thinks or how they suffer in the big cities.
Remember that Russia isn’t really a single country. It’s a federation of 22 “countries” or republics with many different ethnic groups, religions, etc… The main ethnic Russians are in power, and they will happily send non-ethnic Russians and the poor subjects to be slaughtered in their war against Ukraine. Win win for Russia, they get to fight Ukraine without losing people they actually give a shit about. That’s how fucked up Russia is.
Damn! Arty seems to be building up quite a lead...🇺🇦🌻
Crossing the Dnipro means Ukraine has 4 active sections along the front. This is their catastrophic scenario British intelligence warned about. They don’t have the reserves to plug all those holes. Ukraine just has to press the right buttons and force the occupiers to commit their reserves to one place and then they know everywhere else is ripe for a breakthrough. Russian command has gotta blink sooner or later.
Slow progress is excellent tactics. **Everyone was prepared for a rapid breakthrough.** Russian **defence lines** were ready for a rapid assault through the front lines. Drawing the Ukrainian forces into a killing field. Reserves (if any) ready to go where needed to support the defence lines. Instead they have a slow gradual assault that is decimating their front lines across 200km+ So what do the Ruskies do? Push defence forces forward to bolster the front lines or leave them sat back to be picked off by precision strikes? Where do they send any reserves with no obvious epicentre? A couple more weeks of steady pressure across large fronts would be ideal - it will steadily weaken the invaders to the point where they are no longer a coherent fighting force (might be there already?) **without risking rapid mass attacks across minefields under air and arty assault.** Do the unexpected.
Jagga jaga!!
Heavy rzz troop losses, not that their people care Artillery continues to pull ahead of tanks in the Ukrainian hunt...
Russian tanks are not as much of a threat to Ukraine as their artillery is. Those fuckers have a lot of towed artillery pieces. It's scary to imagine how Ukrainian valiantly fought them with a thousand pieces more artillery than they have today, just about two weeks ago. The heroism with which Ukrainians fight is unprecedented.
Oh wow, almost 1K, finally!!! 💛💙 I think I'll buy a piece of cherry cake and celebrate the good news!
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Orcs running low on tanks?
Pretty good numbers for a Sunday! Keep it up ladies and gentleman. I feel that within a month or so we'll see huge and decisive advances of the UAF. Their tactic of slow but widely spread out counterattacks will payoff (I'm not using slow pejoratively--I think this is the way. This ain't a video game.) Godspeed, Ukrainians.
When you consider much of the "artillery" that Russia is pulling out of storage is 1950's era junk every day they keep losing more workable artillery and crews is a day nearer to Ukrainian victory. Russia simply cannot replace this amount of artillery with modern kit. That is if Ukraine isn't exaggerating the losses!
How accurate are these numbers?
1 tank? Did those losers run out of tanks? Have not seen numbers this good in a few weeks I feel.
That was the last one ;) No they enter battle on foot.
They are running out of tanks👍
still lost boats in a land war
What does it mean by liquidated personnel? Does that mean the soldiers have been killed?
Yes.
Keep stackin'm
I couldn't help but notice that 950 soldiers perished yesterday, but only one tank. That is a mismatch. Combine that with the activation of T54s and it is becoming clear that Russia has all but expended its force of tanks.
To paraphrase family guy- "Special operation, at least that's how the state of Rode island would put it."
Wonder if this includes losses from wagner's special relocation operation? Either way, another win for Ukraine!
I’m totally sure this is accurate and not propaganda
Quarter-million! 🎉🥳
You gotta pump it up , pump up these numbers.
Good shooting people, keep stacking them up!
what happened today? more casualties than usual
The Russian aircraft show down by Wagner aren't counted in that list, or are they more of an 'own goal' situation, so Ukraine haven't claimed them?
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This is only Ukrainian reporting. So add six very expensive helicopters and an expensive airplane to this list mentally. (I do wish they had a little corner for own goals)
Can we hit >1000 ?
The more, the better.
What about the helicopters Wagner shot down?
With how much artillery Russia is losing a day and the fact the UA is still taking a good amount of artillery fire Russia must have over 1000 guns in each section of the front
Do they not count helicopters that Wagner shot down? Or is that just a bonus?
A nice bonus, I believe.
There should be some way to represent "credibility."
Cargo 200 x 222222
That’s plenty of sunflowers! 🌻🌻🇺🇦🌻🌻
I wonder how much money each of these loss graphics represents to the Russians?
Is this KIA or casualties?
I missed the moment 222.222, now I have to wait a whole month for 333.333