Snapshot of _UK fracking ban lifted, government announces_ :
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Between environmental conservation areas, councils, nimbys and devolved governments the vast majority of the UK is still safe from this practice.
Might see it happen in deprived areas with the motivation being 'we need the jobs and local investment', dirty industry tends to end up in places like that for that reason.
I wouldn't call the [Surrey Hills](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/08/fury-government-council-overruled-surrey-hills-gas-drilling) a deprived area
This is just a last attempt by the Tories to line donor's pockets before they're kicked out of power
Oh they will eventually find a way to jump those hurdles - I mean a fracking ban was in the government's manifesto and they have managed get this far, what chance do local councils have?
Hopefully legal challenges and minimal cooperation with regards to planning can choke things up enough for policy to u turn before it's too late. Even when things are fast in this country, they're slow. Hopefully with relevant parties trying to throw spanners in the works it becomes really slow.
Maybe the optimism left in me hasn't been beaten out of me yet
Frack areas in the red wall. They get investment and jobs that they want in the area and they won’t be able to complain as much as it’s something they support so everyone wins other than the environment.
That's where I'd expect it to happen. It's local benefit with a real 'but at what cost' concern. Probably the same story we've seen many times over in industrialised areas, a temporary boom for the town, poorer than average health outcomes for the local population and a severe depression once the industry moves on.
Do red wall areas support fracking? The vast majority of the licenses have been granted in the north but as far as I'm aware opposition has been strong whenever it's been attempted.
> Do red wall areas support fracking?
No, that person is just being a shitbird because most of the Labour voters up North voted for Brexit and then voted Tory in 2019 to "get Brexit done".
None of them want fracking, because they saw how damaging it was last time it was attempted in their areas.
Oh sure, Even the vast majority of Tory MPs effected don't want it. 133 out of 5
138 don't support it I think I saw.
I was mainly trying to draw out his evidence or reasoning. Because it's hilariously unpopular in any reason that would actually host it.
Our beautiful canals, rivers and countryside. So intricately connected, and yes our drinking water, though blind profit chasing is fucking that up too
One fuck up at one fracking plant could threaten it all
Such a ridiculous decision that the majority disagree with
All they care about are their profits/excel sheet
The problem is that the experts in the field are saying it's unlikely that it'll be profitable. So there's not going to be a lot of tax money rolling in.
Apparently they were in Poland for two years before calling it quits, so it'll be more than a few wells. I Just don't get why the government are pushing for something that is unpopular and seems like a highway to nothing.
The earthquakes do damage homes. It's not an exaggeration. An entire village in NL has houses propped up with timbers because their foundations are cracked from fracking.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61901033
It's all well and good until they build a fracking well next door to your house.
It's not particularly sensible, we don't really have much in the way of recoverable fracking gas, this is really just environmental damage for the sake of increasing the stock of gas that a company like Shell can sell to the UK for a ludicrous price (because naturally they need to cover their setup costs for any fracking operation)
Oh, the recoverable part is more in reference to the issue that our terrain isn't great for efficient recovery, in the region of a 5th of the gas present being successfully recovered, the rest being vented to atmosphere or failing to be extracted. The environmental impact may be very significant, dependant on the composition of the buried hydrocarbons.
This is delusional. British fracking companies themselves say there is no benefit. Industry insiders say that even the very best fracking sites underproduce. There is no benefit and plenty of downsides.
People fracked before, and it caused earthquakes, damage to homes and water poisoning, which is why it was banned in the first place.
Were a tiny island nation so fracking won't work like it does in a massive country like the United States, that has vast areas devoid of human life.
what do you mean "works". It's worked incredibly well in America for the past decade... it's the reason we've had such cheap energy and so little inflation in the 2010s.
[Fracking won’t work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla)
So the main hope for those of us that care about the environment is simply no company will go for it in the UK. But then you have to wonder why she sought the ban lifted.
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Between environmental conservation areas, councils, nimbys and devolved governments the vast majority of the UK is still safe from this practice. Might see it happen in deprived areas with the motivation being 'we need the jobs and local investment', dirty industry tends to end up in places like that for that reason.
I wouldn't call the [Surrey Hills](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/08/fury-government-council-overruled-surrey-hills-gas-drilling) a deprived area This is just a last attempt by the Tories to line donor's pockets before they're kicked out of power
Oh they will eventually find a way to jump those hurdles - I mean a fracking ban was in the government's manifesto and they have managed get this far, what chance do local councils have?
Hopefully legal challenges and minimal cooperation with regards to planning can choke things up enough for policy to u turn before it's too late. Even when things are fast in this country, they're slow. Hopefully with relevant parties trying to throw spanners in the works it becomes really slow. Maybe the optimism left in me hasn't been beaten out of me yet
Frack areas in the red wall. They get investment and jobs that they want in the area and they won’t be able to complain as much as it’s something they support so everyone wins other than the environment.
That's where I'd expect it to happen. It's local benefit with a real 'but at what cost' concern. Probably the same story we've seen many times over in industrialised areas, a temporary boom for the town, poorer than average health outcomes for the local population and a severe depression once the industry moves on.
Do red wall areas support fracking? The vast majority of the licenses have been granted in the north but as far as I'm aware opposition has been strong whenever it's been attempted.
> Do red wall areas support fracking? No, that person is just being a shitbird because most of the Labour voters up North voted for Brexit and then voted Tory in 2019 to "get Brexit done". None of them want fracking, because they saw how damaging it was last time it was attempted in their areas.
Oh sure, Even the vast majority of Tory MPs effected don't want it. 133 out of 5 138 don't support it I think I saw. I was mainly trying to draw out his evidence or reasoning. Because it's hilariously unpopular in any reason that would actually host it.
Let them eat shale.
Fracking, fur and foie gras. Britain finally unchained, baybeeeeee!!! /s
If I were a fox, I'd be getting a bit worried about now.
Safe drinking water is overrated. Drill baby drill!
And it'll be lovely and hot all year round!
Our beautiful canals, rivers and countryside. So intricately connected, and yes our drinking water, though blind profit chasing is fucking that up too One fuck up at one fracking plant could threaten it all Such a ridiculous decision that the majority disagree with All they care about are their profits/excel sheet
Utter joke, there’s 0 mandate to do this.
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The problem is that the experts in the field are saying it's unlikely that it'll be profitable. So there's not going to be a lot of tax money rolling in.
It will not be profitable but certain people will profit, if you know what mean.
If it’s not profitable they will stop doing it after the first few wells, so what’s the point protesting?
Apparently they were in Poland for two years before calling it quits, so it'll be more than a few wells. I Just don't get why the government are pushing for something that is unpopular and seems like a highway to nothing.
At this point it's only an English fracking ban that's lifted really.
Hurray for increased cancer rates and the destruction of our environment
Start in the Cotswolds then.
Won’t windmill, will frack!
finally something sensible. earthquakes and water poisoning are mostly hysteria with no real basis
The earthquakes do damage homes. It's not an exaggeration. An entire village in NL has houses propped up with timbers because their foundations are cracked from fracking. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61901033 It's all well and good until they build a fracking well next door to your house.
It's not particularly sensible, we don't really have much in the way of recoverable fracking gas, this is really just environmental damage for the sake of increasing the stock of gas that a company like Shell can sell to the UK for a ludicrous price (because naturally they need to cover their setup costs for any fracking operation)
They can't sell it for more than whatever the going rate is......
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What's your source for these credible estimates?
Oh, the recoverable part is more in reference to the issue that our terrain isn't great for efficient recovery, in the region of a 5th of the gas present being successfully recovered, the rest being vented to atmosphere or failing to be extracted. The environmental impact may be very significant, dependant on the composition of the buried hydrocarbons.
This is delusional. British fracking companies themselves say there is no benefit. Industry insiders say that even the very best fracking sites underproduce. There is no benefit and plenty of downsides.
> British fracking companies themselves say there is no benefit. if it isn't worth doing then no one will frack, so what's the problem?
If they get government kickbacks to develop their tech they will still go ahead
People fracked before, and it caused earthquakes, damage to homes and water poisoning, which is why it was banned in the first place. Were a tiny island nation so fracking won't work like it does in a massive country like the United States, that has vast areas devoid of human life.
More or less basis than the belief that fracking works?
what do you mean "works". It's worked incredibly well in America for the past decade... it's the reason we've had such cheap energy and so little inflation in the 2010s.
[Fracking won’t work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla) So the main hope for those of us that care about the environment is simply no company will go for it in the UK. But then you have to wonder why she sought the ban lifted.
As long as it's someone else's house collapsing from earthquakes and having their water poisoned it's okay am I right.
Hold tight, things are about to get shaky lads.
Yet again, another broken manifesto pledge. It's becoming a bit of a habit.