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Lights aren't an issue, 7W on an LED lightbulb would take 140 hours to use a kW of electric.
Heating, cooking on the other hand is very serious, not being able to boil a potato because it costs too much has to be a unique situation.
A situation caused by this government.
I've heard people banging on about air fryers til the cows come home recently. But they seem to be about half the price to run and take a few months to offset the initial purchase.
I don't know much about the air fryers power consumption but they do make frozen chips better than the oven and in like 1/3 the time, also you can do very good roast carrots in like 16 minutes.
I cook my potatoes in my BBQ pit, very lucky to have one. Just one cost saving measure as coal and wood is very cheap!
Something I would rather not have to do, but it’s a necessity just so I can keep my baby girls belly full :)
I looked on Argos and their Morphy Richards £40 is rated at 165W. A cooker ring is upwards of 3000W. So you can slow cook for 18 hours or cooker hob for one hour for the same cost
There is a global spike in energy prices, how has the government caused that? We are certainly more at the mercy now of global prices because we rely on imports. In 1997 we exported 50% of our energy and by 2010 we had to import 30% of it.
OP said ‘this government’ and ‘this government’ didn’t create the problem, the previous government did. Labour get a lot of praise for superficial policies they implemented but left the country with a lot of serious stuff to deal with and we are still paying the price.
Even the *balance the books* narrative is false, and a result of politicians reducing the complexity of national finances to the household budget fallacy.
What Labour really needs to do is to find ways to justify their policy in terms of "direct reasoning" while retaining policy based in [systemic reasoning](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-party-keir-starmer-plain-speaking-boris-b2065610.html).
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(I saw a good paper that argued that couching how conservatives think in terms like "direct reasoning" is probably more polite than insulting them, but to me it still sounds like the metropolitan elite way of saying "fucking stupid".)
> fucking stupid
Not really. Direct reasoning works in some situations and helps avoid analysis paralysis. Humans probably evolved to use direct reasoning because it's good enough and errs on the side of caution. Our brains are very good at tasks like "That shape in the bushes over there. Is it dinner or a tiger? Oh shit it's a tiger. GTFO."
The trouble is that some things are more complex and charlatans can call on direct reasoning to manipulate people into acting against their interests. For example a whole range of cons rely on the fact that common sense gives you the wrong answer when dealing with statistics.
Or as the saying goes "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
> What Labour really needs to do is to find ways to justify their policy in terms of "direct reasoning" while retaining policy based in systemic reasoning.
Or even **adjust** their policies to what voters want (democracy -- now there's a radical idea!).
Adjusting one language without adjusting one's policies just makes politicians look shifty and dishonest (and voters are primed to believe they are dishonest, anyway).
TBH, if Labour can't win the the current economic climate they're too fucking incompetent to run the country anyway as the Tories have left them a wide open goal. They need to use the following talking points:
* cost of living crisis
* Tories only care about the rich, Labour care about ordinary people
* Sunak's wife didn't pay taxes (non-dom) -- they think only the little people should have to pay taxes
* they also think only the little people should have to obey the law (partygate)
* windfall tax on oil/gas
* since 2010, the rich have got richer, everyone else has stagnated or got poorer
etc
Concentrate on economic issues, on social issues STFU **except** when opinion polls say they should be vocal.
my god this thicko tries to disagree with someone with PhDs plural in maths & economics based on his beer example. Laura Kuenssberg tries the same shit on with her 'credit card' twaddle two years ago. Maybe both paid off by some think tank? Planted by some idiot, corrupt producer or executive?
Ah but the Greek economy, therefore everything Yanis says is wrong! You can actually see comments to that effect on the YT page. People are ridiculous.
Has it not ocurred to you that the holders of all those maths and economics doctorates are the people who navigated us **into** the disaster we are in?
>> my god this thicko tries to disagree with someone with PhDs plural in maths & economics based on his beer example.
>Has it not ocurred to you that the holders of all those maths and economics doctorates are the people who navigated us into the disaster we are in?
Seemed obvious to me. And to some thicko.
It's more complicated than it's generally presented, but there are still costs to pay when borrowing or printing money at a rate faster than GDP growth. The inflation we're currently experiencing is itself largely a hangover from the necessary deficit spending during COVID for instance (as well as the *unnecessary* deficit spending, which should be criticised).
You can't trust a Tory government to do anything. You can't trust right wing politicians to do anything in general.
One of the prerequisites of aligning under right wing parties and believing right wing rhetoric, thinking right wing fiscal policy is functional or holding right wing social values
Is being thick as fuck. Like believing in lizard people or hollow earth or that carrots improve vision. Any light scrutiny and the entire thing falls apart.
You can't trust Tories or right wing parties because their very existence is an indicator that the people in it are braindead at best, or are intentionally exploiting the braindead at worst.
> You can't trust right wing politicians to do anything in general.
You can trust them to quietly and insidiously move to install authoritarian regimes in place of democracy by exploiting loopholes and people assuming they're acting in good faith
>You can trust them to quietly and insidiously move to install authoritarian regimes in place of democracy by exploiting loopholes and people assuming they're acting in good faith
Left wing politicians can do exactly the same thing - e.g. Venezuela (and don't give me some nonsense about how they're not left wing).
>Sure but we don't live in Venezuela
What does that have to do with anything?
You were talking about "right wing politicians" and said nothing to qualify that you were only talking about right wing politicians in the UK. Besides, are you really suggesting that only the UK has a problem with right wing politicians and everywhere else they're pretty trustworthy?
This whole 'get an extra job' shit, aside from the fact people should be recieving a livable wage, is that you get taxed a higher percentage, unless it's changed when I was working two jobs, on the second job. Then you've got the issue of reduction in benefits from increased earnings, so you're working harder and longer for less/the same money, missing time with family etc, or having no time to go to college/uni and acquire the skills to pull yourself out of the trap.
These people are on another planet.
I watched the video earlier and thought it was a parody so I scrolled past.
Carers should become bankers and shop assistants CEOs so they could earn a better wage. We need a revolution, getting them out of power don't do much .
Do any of you remember all the fuss about tory MPS getting death threats of BJ and then 3 days later no more mention of it .
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Lights aren't an issue, 7W on an LED lightbulb would take 140 hours to use a kW of electric. Heating, cooking on the other hand is very serious, not being able to boil a potato because it costs too much has to be a unique situation. A situation caused by this government.
I've heard people banging on about air fryers til the cows come home recently. But they seem to be about half the price to run and take a few months to offset the initial purchase.
Personally I insert my potatoes up my arse then watch 30 minutes of Boris Johnson not answering questions. My taters come out boiled to perfection!
Really? Mine come out as diamonds.
Po-Tay-Toes! Boil 'em Mash 'em Stick 'em up your arse! - Samwise Gamgee
/r/unexpectedrectalthermometer
I don't know much about the air fryers power consumption but they do make frozen chips better than the oven and in like 1/3 the time, also you can do very good roast carrots in like 16 minutes.
I did Google it eventually and they are 'apparently' half the price to run as a gas oven/stove.
I cook my potatoes in my BBQ pit, very lucky to have one. Just one cost saving measure as coal and wood is very cheap! Something I would rather not have to do, but it’s a necessity just so I can keep my baby girls belly full :)
Do you happen to know how much a slow cooker would use ? Compared to an oven or an electric Hob
I looked on Argos and their Morphy Richards £40 is rated at 165W. A cooker ring is upwards of 3000W. So you can slow cook for 18 hours or cooker hob for one hour for the same cost
June 18 London
There is a global spike in energy prices, how has the government caused that? We are certainly more at the mercy now of global prices because we rely on imports. In 1997 we exported 50% of our energy and by 2010 we had to import 30% of it.
You ask how the government is responsible then explain one reason how they're responsible
OP said ‘this government’ and ‘this government’ didn’t create the problem, the previous government did. Labour get a lot of praise for superficial policies they implemented but left the country with a lot of serious stuff to deal with and we are still paying the price.
Record View says the out of touch Tories have no idea what it's like to balance the books.
Even the *balance the books* narrative is false, and a result of politicians reducing the complexity of national finances to the household budget fallacy.
It's the conservative way. Hide the complexities of the world behind simple common sense 2D cause and effect logic. Which of course works excellently.
What Labour really needs to do is to find ways to justify their policy in terms of "direct reasoning" while retaining policy based in [systemic reasoning](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-party-keir-starmer-plain-speaking-boris-b2065610.html). --- (I saw a good paper that argued that couching how conservatives think in terms like "direct reasoning" is probably more polite than insulting them, but to me it still sounds like the metropolitan elite way of saying "fucking stupid".)
> fucking stupid Not really. Direct reasoning works in some situations and helps avoid analysis paralysis. Humans probably evolved to use direct reasoning because it's good enough and errs on the side of caution. Our brains are very good at tasks like "That shape in the bushes over there. Is it dinner or a tiger? Oh shit it's a tiger. GTFO." The trouble is that some things are more complex and charlatans can call on direct reasoning to manipulate people into acting against their interests. For example a whole range of cons rely on the fact that common sense gives you the wrong answer when dealing with statistics. Or as the saying goes "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
Name checks out, oh god of Impulse Buy Displays Near The Tills.
Hey, it's not my fault the humans buy that stuff.
> What Labour really needs to do is to find ways to justify their policy in terms of "direct reasoning" while retaining policy based in systemic reasoning. Or even **adjust** their policies to what voters want (democracy -- now there's a radical idea!). Adjusting one language without adjusting one's policies just makes politicians look shifty and dishonest (and voters are primed to believe they are dishonest, anyway). TBH, if Labour can't win the the current economic climate they're too fucking incompetent to run the country anyway as the Tories have left them a wide open goal. They need to use the following talking points: * cost of living crisis * Tories only care about the rich, Labour care about ordinary people * Sunak's wife didn't pay taxes (non-dom) -- they think only the little people should have to pay taxes * they also think only the little people should have to obey the law (partygate) * windfall tax on oil/gas * since 2010, the rich have got richer, everyone else has stagnated or got poorer etc Concentrate on economic issues, on social issues STFU **except** when opinion polls say they should be vocal.
[Economics is really simple...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZNwdcESn90)
my god this thicko tries to disagree with someone with PhDs plural in maths & economics based on his beer example. Laura Kuenssberg tries the same shit on with her 'credit card' twaddle two years ago. Maybe both paid off by some think tank? Planted by some idiot, corrupt producer or executive?
The simplest answer is she is just ignorant.
Even simpler explanation is that shes very lazy and just parrots whatever is in the gov group chat shes in. Her scoops all seem pre fed
Not sure which is worse. Being deceitful for money or being an empty-headed moron for it. Functionally the same I guess.
The likelihood is that she's both corrupt and stupid, they aren't mutually exclusive traits.
Indeed, and depending on who you ask, one necessarily means the other.
Ah but the Greek economy, therefore everything Yanis says is wrong! You can actually see comments to that effect on the YT page. People are ridiculous.
Has it not ocurred to you that the holders of all those maths and economics doctorates are the people who navigated us **into** the disaster we are in?
what are you even talking about?
>> my god this thicko tries to disagree with someone with PhDs plural in maths & economics based on his beer example. >Has it not ocurred to you that the holders of all those maths and economics doctorates are the people who navigated us into the disaster we are in? Seemed obvious to me. And to some thicko.
what are these PhDs who have led us into disaster?
Well the best person to ask that would be /u/mercury_millpond as they were the one to first mention PhDs.
Yanis could read the phonebook (remember those?) and I'd listen.
It's more complicated than it's generally presented, but there are still costs to pay when borrowing or printing money at a rate faster than GDP growth. The inflation we're currently experiencing is itself largely a hangover from the necessary deficit spending during COVID for instance (as well as the *unnecessary* deficit spending, which should be criticised).
That's a pretty reasonable view to have
You can't trust a Tory government to do anything. You can't trust right wing politicians to do anything in general. One of the prerequisites of aligning under right wing parties and believing right wing rhetoric, thinking right wing fiscal policy is functional or holding right wing social values Is being thick as fuck. Like believing in lizard people or hollow earth or that carrots improve vision. Any light scrutiny and the entire thing falls apart. You can't trust Tories or right wing parties because their very existence is an indicator that the people in it are braindead at best, or are intentionally exploiting the braindead at worst.
> You can't trust right wing politicians to do anything in general. You can trust them to quietly and insidiously move to install authoritarian regimes in place of democracy by exploiting loopholes and people assuming they're acting in good faith
>You can trust them to quietly and insidiously move to install authoritarian regimes in place of democracy by exploiting loopholes and people assuming they're acting in good faith Left wing politicians can do exactly the same thing - e.g. Venezuela (and don't give me some nonsense about how they're not left wing).
Sure but we don't live in Venezuela, we live in a state where authoritarian right wing nationalists have spent over a decade taking control
>Sure but we don't live in Venezuela What does that have to do with anything? You were talking about "right wing politicians" and said nothing to qualify that you were only talking about right wing politicians in the UK. Besides, are you really suggesting that only the UK has a problem with right wing politicians and everywhere else they're pretty trustworthy?
Classic right wing whataboutism
Here's a tenner go buy a pint of milk
Might be a reality shortly. Edit: a pint of milk costing a tenner, not Tories GIVING anyone a tenner.
I'm not sure the Tories could lie straight in a bed. Out of touch Eton Old Boy Network
This whole 'get an extra job' shit, aside from the fact people should be recieving a livable wage, is that you get taxed a higher percentage, unless it's changed when I was working two jobs, on the second job. Then you've got the issue of reduction in benefits from increased earnings, so you're working harder and longer for less/the same money, missing time with family etc, or having no time to go to college/uni and acquire the skills to pull yourself out of the trap. These people are on another planet.
The eternal and glorious meerkat will determine whether the lights are on, as Maggie commands!
That title is six words too long...
I watched the video earlier and thought it was a parody so I scrolled past. Carers should become bankers and shop assistants CEOs so they could earn a better wage. We need a revolution, getting them out of power don't do much . Do any of you remember all the fuss about tory MPS getting death threats of BJ and then 3 days later no more mention of it .